9.2 Feedback and Discussion | Ravenholdt | Page 5

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 1:09 PM

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even playing tornado in most bosses that have more than 1 target

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 1:09 PM

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if you are on 0 cp

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its kinda tricky when shb is up

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 1:09 PM

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you kinda have to do the go to 4-5 wait for sht finish stab finish unless you know you just procced sht

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 1:42 PM

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@wind furnace whats the string for simming venthyr theotar in advanced?

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with bis conduits

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 1:43 PM

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spec=subtlety
level=60
race=mechagnome
role=attack
position=back
professions=alchemy=16/engineering=50
talents=1320031
covenant=venthyr
soulbind=theotar_the_mad_duke:9,248:11/245:11/229:11/336239/351750


head=cowl_of_haunting_precognition,id=186330,bonus_id=7187/1498,gem_id=187314,enchant=60leech
neck=azurevenom_choker,id=180115,bonus_id=6536/1566/6646,gem_id=173127
shoulders=spaulders_of_the_crooked_confidant,id=186336,bonus_id=7187/1498,gem_id=187313
back=grimveiled_cape,id=173242,bonus_id=6716/7572/6647/6650/1559
chest=witherheart_studded_breastplate,id=186334,bonus_id=7187/1498,gem_id=187318,enchant=eternal_stats,enchant_id=6214
wrists=risen_monstrosity_cuffs,id=178741,bonus_id=6536/1566/6646,gem_id=173127
hands=loyal_kvaldirs_handwraps,id=186295,bonus_id=6805/7187/1498,gem_id=187315
waist=windrunners_baldric,id=186332,bonus_id=7187/1498/1808,gem_id=173129
legs=elite_aranakk_breeches,id=186331,bonus_id=6805/7187/1498
feet=unstable_energizer_boots,id=186363,bonus_id=7187/1498,gem_id=187312,enchant=eternal_agility,enchant_id=6211
finger1=tarnished_insignia_of_quelthalas,id=186377,bonus_id=7187/1498/1808,gem_id=173129,enchant=tenet_of_critical_strike,enchant_id=6170
finger2=ritual_commanders_ring,id=178781,bonus_id=6536/1566/6646,gem_id=173127,enchant=tenet_of_critical_strike,enchant_id=6170
trinket1=salvaged_fusion_amplifier,id=186432,bonus_id=7187/1498
trinket2=phial_of_putrefaction,id=178771,bonus_id=6536/1566/6646
main_hand=edge_of_night,id=186398,bonus_id=7187/1498,enchant=celestial_guidance,enchant_id=6223
off_hand=edge_of_night,id=186398,bonus_id=7187/1498,enchant=sinful_revelation,enchant_id=6223```

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thats without tier set or double legendary

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also works in any of the sim modes

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 1:44 PM

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i am just doing a copy

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but the conduits are correct

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in this theotar string

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also it says "heotar" not sure that matters

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 1:45 PM

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doesen't matter

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 1:46 PM

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alright

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trying to sim the spec without EoN

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kyr vs venthyr

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 1:46 PM

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you can always just copy/paste from the #subtlety-faq

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i can do that for you quickly too if you want

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 1:49 PM

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nah its fine

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i found a scuffed way

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i think

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 1:49 PM

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giveme a sec, i have the string for it anywhere

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 1:49 PM

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but i have already done it

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pretty much

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 1:49 PM

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oh, nice

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 1:49 PM

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just ticking

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had to remove legendary ingame tho

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cus otherwise the venthyr one

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had double legendary

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 1:50 PM

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there is a easier way

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giveme a sec and ill show you

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 1:50 PM

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it bugged the fuck out

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but these are the numbers i got

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without EoN

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 1:51 PM

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somethings nor right 🤔

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 1:51 PM

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i think the result is correct

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anyway

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venthyr within 70 dps of kyrian

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without daggers

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 1:52 PM

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off_hand=,id=186386,enchant=sinful_revelation,enchant_id=6223,bonus_id=7187/6652/1498/6646```

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^ you cna use this

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 1:52 PM

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already have weapons from the ptr vendor

warm olive Dec 17, 2021, 1:53 PM

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PogYou

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that's not max ilvl tho

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is it ?

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 1:53 PM

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for pvp it is

warm olive Dec 17, 2021, 1:53 PM

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looks like it's valor loot

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oh

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fair enough

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 1:53 PM

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actually think venthyr is ahead of kyrian

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with some gear swaps

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and no EoN

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 1:55 PM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qxxRHaQ9fVfJmdohjZpRr9

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giveme a sec ill do with tier and double lego too

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 1:55 PM

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i was simming with tier

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 1:55 PM

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ahh

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 1:57 PM

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i noticed my problem

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should be fixed now

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 1:58 PM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5JRjrBpzeXpzs5o6S1cN1F

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thats incredibly close

warm olive Dec 17, 2021, 1:59 PM

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is that with double leggo?

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or just tier set?

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 1:59 PM

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yes

warm olive Dec 17, 2021, 1:59 PM

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thumbsUp

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 1:59 PM

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double lego tier

warm olive Dec 17, 2021, 1:59 PM

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interesting

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:00 PM

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push did use better weapons i assume

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so his results should at least dps wise be higher

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:00 PM

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yes

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venthyr seems a bit more rng

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than kyrian tho

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:00 PM

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kyrian/venth within .3%

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for you

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so even closer

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:01 PM

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still playing kyrian gear

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could swap out some stuff

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:01 PM

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i did use the profiles from both venth/kyrian

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so should be a bit more fair

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:02 PM

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ns was not even close tho

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someone said it was good in here last night

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:02 PM

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i did sim it

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:03 PM

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almost 3% behind

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:03 PM

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and it was not terrible on venthyr

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:03 PM

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in that sim

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:03 PM

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giveme a sec

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:03 PM

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just swapped a ring

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monkaS

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6 dps

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diff

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:04 PM

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also keep in mind we will increase item levek

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'level

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:04 PM

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ye

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:04 PM

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so it also depends who of the covenants can benefit more from higher stats

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:04 PM

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i think venthyr gains more dps from conduit upgrades

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cus of lashing

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:04 PM

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notlikethis

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7dsZaWAF7D7hNGtbguUSqJ

potent vault Dec 17, 2021, 2:05 PM

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Hey Fuu

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:05 PM

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why is ur venthyr ns

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so much better

potent vault Dec 17, 2021, 2:05 PM

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Can you do the sim with just a generic M dagger next tier

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:05 PM

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haste buff

potent vault Dec 17, 2021, 2:05 PM

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So any stats

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:05 PM

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from flag

potent vault Dec 17, 2021, 2:05 PM

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Just not edge of night

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:06 PM

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wind furnace haste buff

no smh

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i mean

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compared to mine

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:06 PM

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potent vault Can you do the sim with just a generic M dagger next tier

thats what i just did

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:06 PM

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potent vault Can you do the sim with just a generic M dagger next tier

i have done that

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:06 PM

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^

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:06 PM

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or well

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272 dagger

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basically mythic dagger

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its within 6 dps in my profile

potent vault Dec 17, 2021, 2:06 PM

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Oh the 1300 is it

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:06 PM

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without EoN

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yes

potent vault Dec 17, 2021, 2:06 PM

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13100?*

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:06 PM

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i did with 2x mythic eye dagger

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:07 PM

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but fuu

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my venthyr-NS is 3% behind my regular venthyr

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:07 PM

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hmm

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:07 PM

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how are you getting the venthyr-NS to be better than venthyr regular

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the variance on sub without EoN doesnt seem to be worse than outlaw tho

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like it is with EoN

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so thats good i guess

quartz idol Dec 17, 2021, 2:09 PM

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mellow urchin how are you getting the venthyr-NS to be better than venthyr regular

can you link yours

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:09 PM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7WnCUYkvYXqsfJJPjp27dz

Raidbots

Advanced Sim - 13,101 DPS - Raidbots

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this one is the newest

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:09 PM

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we have diffrent races i guess

quartz idol Dec 17, 2021, 2:09 PM

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you do be playing RC + obedience 😄

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:10 PM

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oh

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i thought it was fixed

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shit

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well its just some stats

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rc does nothing on venthyr

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its like 3 ilvls worth of stats

quartz idol Dec 17, 2021, 2:10 PM

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yea, but fuu uses a proper one

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:10 PM

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that shouldnt matter in terms of NS tho

quartz idol Dec 17, 2021, 2:10 PM

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also fuu has 6% more haste

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:11 PM

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oh

quartz idol Dec 17, 2021, 2:11 PM

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not alot, but might matter

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:11 PM

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it could be directly linked to stats

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:12 PM

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ur also playing rotten

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double legendary

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question is why ur sim is so low

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with double legendary

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is 272 weapon that much better

quartz idol Dec 17, 2021, 2:13 PM

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how far behind is premed from WM btw

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:13 PM

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also i think there could be APL updates to NS on kyrian

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with finality in particular

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its not gonna be easy to test but i have an idea in how you can optimize rupture dmg with finality + ns

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:14 PM

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wepaon dps is quite impactful yes

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i could look into refreshing rupture during dance if finality is up

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or sth

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or what do you think about

quartz idol Dec 17, 2021, 2:14 PM

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@wind furnace can you run your profile with premed vs WM

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:15 PM

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sure

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:15 PM

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basically i wanna see:
Play finality
Play nightstalker
Use a mini-rupture pre-dance (if finality: rupture isnt up)
ONLY refresh rupture with nightstalker snapshot

in theory: every rupture should be buffed by 37%

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But this would prob only be a thing on kyrian as you have almost infinite dances with the tier set

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so you could potentially refresh every single rupture in dance and with finality buff

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:16 PM

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hmm could be a win ye

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not sure if its rly that good given its energy inefficient

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aRBsWTYbJq2zZCXwTrkiT5

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:16 PM

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its like NV but instead of buffing an evis

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you buff rupture

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:17 PM

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it would make sense you can also get a 7cp rupture right away with the dust opener

quartz idol Dec 17, 2021, 2:17 PM

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oof, thats a big difference

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:17 PM

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premed is trash

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:17 PM

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inside dance

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:17 PM

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4p proccing wm

quartz idol Dec 17, 2021, 2:17 PM

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yea, I was wondering if it was not that far behind you could optimize it with the rotten

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:17 PM

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kinda makes premed meh

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:17 PM

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kekg

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ye

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:17 PM

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yea premed is kinda dead with new tier

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:17 PM

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also playing akaari

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makes it meh

quartz idol Dec 17, 2021, 2:17 PM

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cuz I am pretty sure now its just wasted the 4cp

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:18 PM

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it should be already optimized with rotten

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if i remember corret

quartz idol Dec 17, 2021, 2:18 PM

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oh is it

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:18 PM

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but fuu i think both nightstalker and finality could be improved in the APL

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and i also think you can play around the rotten more with PV stacks

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and use the buff for backstab

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after a dance

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:18 PM

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nightstalker def. could have potential

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:19 PM

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yea pre dancing for a SoD backstab finisher checks out

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:19 PM

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finality with double legendary too, not sure yet

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:19 PM

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like theres a lot of things you can test with these legendaries that have never been relevant

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:19 PM

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finality with ns might be rly the changing point

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:19 PM

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rotten pre med seems cool for more lashes

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:19 PM

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i mean ye

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and i think if you stack mastery a bit

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mastery/vers/crit

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:19 PM

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but then you lose a lot

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:19 PM

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as kyrian

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:19 PM

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mastery could be quite good tbh

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giveme a sec

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:19 PM

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you can get really big ruptures

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:19 PM

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yea it might make mastery better than haste

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:20 PM

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for kyrian at least

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but the thing with NS is that it wants haste right

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so its kinda anti-synergy

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i dont think mastery will be great with venthyr ever

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obedience is pushing too much for vers/haste and crit is just always good

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:21 PM

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you dont reaaally need haste as kyrian if the blades uptime is real

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and dance too

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:21 PM

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i mean its for gcds

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in dance

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as nightstalker

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:21 PM

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just might need to use SoD a bit diff

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:21 PM

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the difference between 6-7-8 gcds is large

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:21 PM

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what i mean is not dancing back to back

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:21 PM

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yea ofc

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:21 PM

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like with shadow focus

quartz idol Dec 17, 2021, 2:21 PM

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wait, for how long does the rotten buff stay up?

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:21 PM

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cant do that

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:22 PM

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2 secs

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:22 PM

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what

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surely not

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:22 PM

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if it lasted 3 secs we could use two builders remember

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:22 PM

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no

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:22 PM

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but blizz gimped it

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:22 PM

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but like

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isnt it just 1 spell

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and has no duration

quartz idol Dec 17, 2021, 2:23 PM

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it does say 'next'

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:23 PM

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oh true it's like that now

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:23 PM

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it has a 30 sec duration

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:23 PM

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cool

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:23 PM

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but you cant prepull it

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well you can

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if you keep the legendary on

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monkaS

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that could be a thing

quartz idol Dec 17, 2021, 2:24 PM

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I was looking at this

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https://gyazo.com/d1fe08fd4064760f7cdb69522923da93

Gyazo

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the rotten disappears after the rupture

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:24 PM

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wtf

quartz idol Dec 17, 2021, 2:24 PM

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unless the shadowstrike after that procs it

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from 4p

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:24 PM

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possible

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:24 PM

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might be

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:24 PM

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would be kinda oof tho

quartz idol Dec 17, 2021, 2:24 PM

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is that how it works in game as well

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:25 PM

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rn the shadowstrike does nothing

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hard to tell

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:25 PM

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yea it's on next build

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:25 PM

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it has like none of the interactions

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:25 PM

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the many fixes they posted

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:25 PM

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rotten pre pull does not work

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because you need strike to proc it

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:26 PM

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yes?

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:26 PM

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or well

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i get your point

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nvm

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:26 PM

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you use symbols on like 25 sec

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:26 PM

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i was stupid and thought about legendary swapping

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:26 PM

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first strike is juiced by rotten

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:26 PM

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ye

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:26 PM

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and you have symbols 5 sec later or something

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but its not realistic

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to have 30 sec pulltimers

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:26 PM

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better to do the dust opener there

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:27 PM

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whispyrhopium

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:27 PM

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what you could do

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:27 PM

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fixed pls

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:27 PM

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is get blessing of seasons

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for cdr

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:27 PM

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wait

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isnt rotten insane

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with the shadowdust prepull

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kekg

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:27 PM

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hmm

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:27 PM

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haha

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:27 PM

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you get double benefit

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in opener

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:27 PM

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we make the prepull stuff just worse

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not better

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:28 PM

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not really you need dust to pop SoD then vanish

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so the first one would not get the buff

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:28 PM

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and you can even 100% of the time PV-stab the 2nd sod rotten

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:28 PM

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but the second will

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that is true

quartz idol Dec 17, 2021, 2:28 PM

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@wind furnace I was talking about this though https://gyazo.com/3fef3292e386e4bb0b2d8854ff338b15
it just uses both SoD rotten combo points + premed combo points, so basically wasting at least 4-5 cp

Gyazo

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:28 PM

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delicate osprey not really you need dust to pop SoD then vanish

but rotten lasts for 30 sec

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so why wouldnt it work

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on the first

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:28 PM

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you can only equip one of those at a time

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:29 PM

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oh

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:29 PM

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yea so you use shadowdust + rotten

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obedience does nothing for the prepull thing

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:29 PM

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you cant equip a non cov leggo with another one

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:29 PM

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right

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fuck

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smh

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:29 PM

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yea sadness

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:29 PM

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hmm

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i see the problem, potentially that using symbols 2nd global in dance would be smart then

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:30 PM

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it wont make premed good anyway

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wasted time

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its trash with t28

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the set has so much synergy with WM

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:30 PM

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i think we might use symbols always for PV stabs now

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with dust opener

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:30 PM

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i see where this is going

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1 mil pv crits

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:31 PM

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pre med does have a way to exist on m+ with venth

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because you can get 8 lashes with rotten on st

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:31 PM

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well i think 30k stab is somewhat realistic with this

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:31 PM

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and the way flag scales with stats it sounds kinda good

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:31 PM

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i think wm will take over in m+ too

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:31 PM

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bro

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there is no way

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you play premed

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anywhere

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with this set

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:31 PM

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^

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:31 PM

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true now that i think about it

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:31 PM

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just because you get 1 more finisher in flag

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:31 PM

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so many strikes

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:31 PM

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wm already is better technical in m+

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:31 PM

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what about the other stuff

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lmao

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:32 PM

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i wish we had the old wm

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it was way cooler

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:32 PM

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agree

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but they changed it because they wanted the first row to be single target only

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:32 PM

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making finishers a bit better

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man the sadness is we will have like 9 locked gearslots

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cant stack mastery

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:34 PM

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like legion all over again

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:34 PM

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and im neverlucky on tertiaries on set

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:34 PM

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legion was even worse actually

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:34 PM

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legion had a lot of interesting shitty things happening with wm

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:34 PM

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2 weapons, 4 sets, 2 legendaries, 1 trinket

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nvm

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same

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:35 PM

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at least weapons didnt drop

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but i still remember farming HoV for the fel blades relic

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for an eternity

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:35 PM

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we can blame legion for blizzards adventure to go without any tier sets

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:35 PM

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delicate osprey man the sadness is we will have like 9 locked gearslots

10

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:35 PM

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and maybe 1 more for a busted trinket

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that drops from raid

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almost 100%

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then sack if not nerfed

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:36 PM

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haha ^^

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:36 PM

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at least sack has mastery

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if you wanna stack it

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:36 PM

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i wanted to play sack + whetstone

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but blizz decided whetstone was too stronkl

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:36 PM

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whetstone does some dmg on st

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now

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:36 PM

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so back to device or the new busted trinket in raid

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:36 PM

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theres no way in hell you ever play device

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that trinket sucks ass

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even if its like 10% ahead of 2nd best trinket

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i wont play it

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:37 PM

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nah it's really good for m+

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for raid its ass tho

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:37 PM

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fucking healing or mana

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awful

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:38 PM

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ahaha well i dont push high m+ since forever anyway i just like pretty numbers

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:38 PM

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now you can play sack + countermeasure

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:38 PM

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tbh i still miss beta dust that was so funny

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:38 PM

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kekw

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:38 PM

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i mean next tier if nothing goes wrong with set stats being super haste heavy or vers heavy

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i think i can run 5x% crit 12x% mastery

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if daggers give something interesting it would be cool too

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:39 PM

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i wonder how low we get in crit

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for m+

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i could see people go more mastery/versa heavy if possible

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:39 PM

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they can bake intereting things in them as only rogues can use them

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really depends if next set of m+ has more shit that scales with vers

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mastery is already good but everything it does vers does better

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because of necrotic dagger axe etc

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:40 PM

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except

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mastery scales way harder

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with stats

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:40 PM

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yea that is cool

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:40 PM

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the gain on finishers

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is way bigger with mastery e

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:41 PM

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also as we play deeper is even better

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other lesser specs playing mfd cuck their finisher power per cp

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i also wonder how big would it be if FW had a bit more arpen like it was before

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maybe not 100% but 40 or 50

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:43 PM

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i think sub has to much magic damage

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for fw to rly take off

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 2:43 PM

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it would help kt trinket tho kek

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man what a waste

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that one and rack

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why no crit blizz

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maybe updating the sheet of desntiny for next tier if tier does not cuck mastery by a lot

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:46 PM

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soon™️

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:47 PM

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what are you simming

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:48 PM

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a stat plot

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takes forever

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:48 PM

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ye

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what do you type to get a stat plot

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:49 PM

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dps_plot_stat=haste,crit_rating,mastery,versatility
dps_plot_step=50```

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you can change the step size to whatever you want

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bxuj7gSCHPjouaPuCUfRmi/simc

Raidbots

#

#

alpine sentinel Dec 17, 2021, 2:50 PM

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mastery Macky

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:50 PM

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not as exciting as assumed

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thats without eon

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:53 PM

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i mean mastery keeping up

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for kyr

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is good news

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you should try this sim

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with finality kyrian

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:57 PM

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will take a bit^^

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gKiGJoP5F8NQTBmSis88pD

Raidbots

Advanced Sim - Raidbots

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^ if you want to watch a progress bar

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 2:59 PM

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i think finality might even be better for kyrian

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if you go full mastery gem/enchants

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 2:59 PM

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finality could be quite good ye

pale jetty Dec 17, 2021, 3:08 PM

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Well

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 3:08 PM

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thats nicu

pale jetty Dec 17, 2021, 3:08 PM

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It's done

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So...

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Kyrian vers mastery?

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 3:08 PM

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possible

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esp. in m+

pale jetty Dec 17, 2021, 3:09 PM

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Venthyr it is

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 3:10 PM

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The potential dps seems higher for finality no?

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Or am i reading this plot wrong

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Like at 1000 mastery/vers kyrian finality is like 15500

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Ok more like 15300

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Can you do like 2 separate sims

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Vers/mastery stuff with finality on kyrian

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Crit/vers stuff with akaari on kyrian

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And just see the dps diff

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 3:15 PM

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let's wait a bit first for the tier real stats that may change a lot of things

alpine sentinel Dec 17, 2021, 3:15 PM

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huge eviscerates with vers/mastery and finality ComfyBear

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 3:15 PM

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and maybe we can agree that soulrender boots may stay for a while or nine boots

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and eye gloves or dormazain ones

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 3:20 PM

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i have a few rogues

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on the ptr

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 3:20 PM

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i can do 2 sims for aht ye

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 3:20 PM

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kekg

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 3:20 PM

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*that

alpine sentinel Dec 17, 2021, 3:22 PM

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ressurect pushx Toxic

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 3:22 PM

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versa/mastery finality:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iSepU6g1tEzXZ2MenEVp77
crit/versa akaari:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9SGigTXEKexeSYH9e4bqRG

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(progressing)

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 3:24 PM

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alpine sentinel ressurect pushx <:Toxic:585733851591081984>

no time

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newest member

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also a lot of those rogues sit at 230 ilvl

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cba

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 3:28 PM

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other one still simming

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 3:30 PM

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no i meant like

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equipping crit/vers gear on one profile

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mastery/vers on another profile

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and see what they end up at

hazy girder Dec 17, 2021, 3:32 PM

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mellow urchin i have a few rogues

Push so cool they named him twice

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 3:33 PM

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kekg

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 3:34 PM

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2nd one

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ohh

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there is def. potential to play around with gear

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but it seems like both end up around the same dps mark

warm olive Dec 17, 2021, 3:35 PM

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my god the amount of TC going on here

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thanks peeps loviko

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 3:36 PM

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wind furnace but it seems like both end up around the same dps mark

still different tho

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since in the OG sims akaari is above finality by like 0.3-0.4%?

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but thats with a profile that plays like 15% haste and almost 0 mastery

quartz idol Dec 17, 2021, 3:36 PM

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wind furnace 2nd one

am I tripping or is this just the same as the previous ones but instead of 4 plots there are only 2 😄

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this is not getting 600 verst + 600 mastery right

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 3:37 PM

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it is ^^

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i just lowered the step size

quartz idol Dec 17, 2021, 3:37 PM

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its both?

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I thought its one that has 600 vers and one that has 600 mastery

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cuz if its both how the hell do you read that 😄

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 3:39 PM

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it just adds the stats in steps and documents how much dps change

warm olive Dec 17, 2021, 3:40 PM

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i think they mean the difference between purple and yellow

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and like they don't both have 600 crit and 600 mastery ?

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i'm not following either

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 3:40 PM

#

#

this is the most mastery i can get

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and it kinda kills my vers

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fucking hasted set items

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 3:40 PM

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did you run a sim with it?

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 3:41 PM

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not yet no

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but the haste is kinda putting me off from simming

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cus like 11% haste is trash for kyrian

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 3:41 PM

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you need 4 set pieces and every piece has haste

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so thats kinda meh

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 3:41 PM

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yea i know

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is there a way to sim the set without it using up item slots

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and just the effect

quartz idol Dec 17, 2021, 3:42 PM

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I mean its 'kinda' pointless like that though, like it just keeps adding vers and mastery at the same rate, I am pretty sure it just compares how much 'extra' 600 vers will add and how much 'extra' 600 mastery will add, not necessarily both

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 3:42 PM

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yes

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 3:42 PM

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can someone tell me a good vers/mastery ring except fatescribe

quartz idol Dec 17, 2021, 3:43 PM

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so basically its exactly the same sims, but with less plot lines

hazy girder Dec 17, 2021, 3:44 PM

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Ritual bone band

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Or the pvp ring

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@mellow urchin

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 3:44 PM

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i could just add stats to the sim and see how it behaves

quartz idol Dec 17, 2021, 3:45 PM

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probably better yea

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 3:47 PM

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hazy girder Or the pvp ring

yep

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monkahmm

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still ruined by the haste

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Sadgers

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 3:49 PM

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stats on tier are rly not great ye

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 3:49 PM

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yea set stats are kinda wacky rn ye

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until they make them real

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 4:00 PM

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@wind furnace how do i add finality to my sim

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on top of RC

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and akaari too

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if possible

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the strings

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 4:01 PM

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finality:
shirt=Legendary,bonus_id=7123

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akaari:
shirt=Legendary,bonus_id=7124

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 4:01 PM

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ty

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wauw

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decanter actually outsimming phial

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for me

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on ptr

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interesting

#

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massive gains kekg

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gonna add back EoN

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see what the total is

#

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fSyP1xXCDd7bydMjnGoUTX

Raidbots

Advanced Sim - 14,022 DPS - Raidbots

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 4:11 PM

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14k nice

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 4:13 PM

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gonna swap away the mastery

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and see if theres any diff

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man this fucking game is so bugged

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wanna smash something

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i have to log out everytime i swap items cus the items gets greyed out and cant be interacted with

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and the login screen for ptr takes like 1 minute

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for some reason

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smh smh smh smh smh smh

#

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operation mastery is officially dead i guess

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150 dps diff

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 4:20 PM

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rip

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was still fun to expore

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 4:20 PM

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ye

#

its possible that with more gear masteyr becomes useful

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but not holding my breath

stark sierra Dec 17, 2021, 5:33 PM

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will mastery take over for m+ next season, since we'll be most likely playing with finality as 2nd leggo or is it too early to tell

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 5:33 PM

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it becomes more appealing, not nessecery take over

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the trade off is just a lot lower

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 5:33 PM

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it is already quite good but crit will be better

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 5:33 PM

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i am actually not sure

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 5:33 PM

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it may overtake vers by a bit more

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 5:33 PM

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given that you have a very high uptime of fw from 4p

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 5:33 PM

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as we get more gear and crit bottoms out

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 5:34 PM

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its possible that crit gets lower value

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 5:34 PM

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ye well it will be fun if tier set has decent mastery

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 5:34 PM

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atm people aim to have enough crit to have a high fw uptime

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 5:34 PM

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we can run 4x% or 5x% crit and high mastery

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 5:34 PM

#

i assume they want somewhere around 50-55% crit

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as this is usually the area to reach "good enough"

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 5:34 PM

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right now my set has 48% crit and 1xx% mastery

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 5:34 PM

#

thats including the baseline crit

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 5:34 PM

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and that is with no sack

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 5:35 PM

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so 40-45% in reality i assume

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 5:35 PM

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ye that is a good one

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 5:35 PM

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but you rly would need to ask somone who actively plays m+

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 5:35 PM

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who am i ahaha

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 5:35 PM

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because i by no means am a expert on it

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 5:35 PM

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well high key pushing will go more towards vers always

#

defensive power is too strong

#

same as trying to get more avo and leech

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 5:37 PM

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avoidence/leech is understandable

livid ferry Dec 17, 2021, 6:54 PM

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We are a shadowstriker guys

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Not eviscerator

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Mastery is dead until buffed

hoary zephyr Dec 17, 2021, 7:04 PM

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So with all the bug fixes, how is it looking? Compared to sin? @wind furnace @mellow urchin

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 7:04 PM

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sub looks quite good

#

but assassination has more room for apl improvements

#

most things i can look at for subtlety are minor dps improvements

#

while assassination has a lot of fiddeling to do with their 2p/4p

#

assassination could end up dps wise about on par with subtlety

#

esp. given their legendary powers are a lot stronger than what subtlety has

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also esp. when playing night fae you have a lot higher burst, what could be very valuable in raiding

hoary zephyr Dec 17, 2021, 7:22 PM

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Is Akaari on the top?

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Over finality?

plucky storm Dec 17, 2021, 7:33 PM

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Rotten

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 7:46 PM

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akaari for kyrian
rotten for venthyr

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(well technically akaari for night fae and necro too, but those 2 don't look compatitive)

livid ferry Dec 17, 2021, 7:50 PM

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hoary zephyr So with all the bug fixes, how is it looking? Compared to sin? <@194804407706189...

it sims better but its one of the most variance specs in the game now

#

sims better rn*

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who knows what is to be found gain wise for sin

#

@wind furnace can you humor me and do a kyrian sub sim with the set and legendaries on light movement

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or is that not possible rn

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 7:53 PM

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pls don't

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i don't rly like light movement

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it just stops the apl at random intervals

livid ferry Dec 17, 2021, 7:53 PM

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whats a good sim for a fight with any type of mechanics then

hoary zephyr Dec 17, 2021, 7:55 PM

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Ya but no shot that the 2 set stays the way it is

#

100% damage amp is nuts

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 7:55 PM

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i am not sure what you look at hog

livid ferry Dec 17, 2021, 7:55 PM

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it'll get reduced to 70% most likely

#

but our set is probably gonna get nerfed too SMH

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 7:55 PM

#

but i think looking at the damage graph is a good way to see what the spec does damage

hoary zephyr Dec 17, 2021, 7:55 PM

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50%

livid ferry Dec 17, 2021, 7:55 PM

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50% is too low probably

#

70% is reasonable

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 7:56 PM

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e.g. you can estimate that subtlety does bad damage if it needs to move during the first ~20 secs

#

with flag

livid ferry Dec 17, 2021, 7:56 PM

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this set suffers from downtime infinitely more than obedience lol

#

it is rng as fuck

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 7:57 PM

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not sure

#

its just the usual suffering from downtime you already have

#

due to how the spec is designed with shadow dance cdr

#

you gain more dance charges so higher dance uptime

#

from the 2p/4p procs

#

so if you have 60-70% dance uptime you want to be on target during the use

#

but if you have extended downtimes, its bad for almost everyone

pale jetty Dec 17, 2021, 8:45 PM

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Still playing sub next tier

#

I'll embrace my 11k dps as variance rams my ass

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 8:45 PM

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Venthyr is more rng

#

Kyrian is actually ok in that regard

pale jetty Dec 17, 2021, 8:46 PM

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Yeah, I'm still a vampire gamer too unfort

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 8:46 PM

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Basically outlaw rogue

pale jetty Dec 17, 2021, 8:46 PM

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Imagine getting back to back procs in flag

#

Oh ma gawd

mellow urchin Dec 17, 2021, 8:46 PM

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Imagine not getting any

pale jetty Dec 17, 2021, 8:46 PM

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sadge

#

Sadge

#

Such is the 9.2 life for venth sub tho

#

Also really hoping the new dagger isn't from last bosses

#

I've had enough suffering this tier

steel meadow Dec 17, 2021, 8:48 PM

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where this info even came from

#

about new dagger with effect

pale jetty Dec 17, 2021, 8:48 PM

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Super insider info

steel meadow Dec 17, 2021, 8:48 PM

#

ah

pale jetty Dec 17, 2021, 8:48 PM

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Top secret cia shit

steel meadow Dec 17, 2021, 8:49 PM

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"my mom work at blizzard"?

pale jetty Dec 17, 2021, 8:49 PM

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No, idrk where exactly, but I believe someone in here talked to blizz and they mentioned a dagger to replace eon

#

Might've been whispyr? Idk

#

I mean, they kinda have to make a replacement for eon

winged fiber Dec 17, 2021, 8:51 PM

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don't need procs

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with rotten

#

prayge

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 8:58 PM

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Seems like its not a damage win to start dancing with higher combo points in multi target situations

#

with the tier set

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 8:59 PM

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pale jetty Also really hoping the new dagger isn't from last bosses

but last boss gives highest itemlevel

wind furnace Dec 17, 2021, 9:36 PM

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subs 3 target cleave could not be terrible in 9.2:

pale jetty Dec 17, 2021, 9:59 PM

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wind furnace but last boss gives highest itemlevel

Theoretically yeah, but not if it never drops sadge

livid ferry Dec 17, 2021, 11:00 PM

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the fact this 4 pc

#

gives us funnel

#

in low target cleave

#

is really really really really sick actually

#

Its actually probably the coolest part of the set is its functionality in low target cleave

#

You get way more blades after bug fixes

delicate osprey Dec 17, 2021, 11:19 PM

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it will be super sweet yes

#

i do really hope they buff necro and nf too

#

those soulbinds have a lot of potential

vestal geyser Dec 17, 2021, 11:26 PM

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low target cleave was kinda ass before so it's pretty sweet that it feels so good for tht

mellow urchin Dec 18, 2021, 1:46 AM

#

#

loved this comment on the outlaw set on forums

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"something reliable like Sub" OmegaLUL

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 3:05 AM

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reliable

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:08 AM

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@livid ferry you NA?

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:09 AM

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ye

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:09 AM

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Did you test set more on PTR?

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:09 AM

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ye

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:09 AM

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I know sims says it’s good but how does it feel?

#

Idk I am hearing rng annoyance

#

But feels like post bug fixes it would be good

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:10 AM

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will take some getting used to, not what I would prefer as a sub rogue tier set but is what it is

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:10 AM

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I haven’t tested it yet

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:10 AM

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effect is strong just insanely rng

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:10 AM

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Hmm

#

How many bosses have you tested?

#

All of them?

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:10 AM

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all except the 2 that got tested on xymox day

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:10 AM

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So

#

I am not worried about the set because it depends on encounters ya?

#

If the encounters have adds, then the set will shine

#

In regards to the 2p

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:11 AM

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doesnt even need to have adds

#

the set is pretty strong in pure ST

#

just super rng like i said

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:11 AM

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Ya but having mobs just adds more value to it

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:11 AM

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and ye cleave feels nice if you get 4pc procs

#

being able to do funnel in like 2t

#

kinda nuts

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:11 AM

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Like having 4pc proc which procs 2p will be nuts

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:11 AM

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ye ye

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:11 AM

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Esp in Xymox encounter

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Only thing is

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:11 AM

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in 5t you'll have perma blades

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:12 AM

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Idk how many bosses there are with adds

#

I know there is the pantheon one

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:12 AM

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you'll basically have really high blades uptime in any fight with adds

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:12 AM

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2-2 bosses

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:12 AM

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quite a few bosses with adds lol

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:12 AM

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Which will be nice

#

That’s good then

#

If it was like sanctum then set wouldn’t be as strong as it could be

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:12 AM

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as long as scarizard doesn't murder our set for no reason you'll probably be able to play sub in 9.2 pretty fine

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:12 AM

#

I know the set is strong but it gains insane power with more targets

#

Ya

#

I am honestly confused about the sin one

#

100% damage amp

#

Is REALLY strong

#

Esp if you pair it with execute leggo

#

Like

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:13 AM

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ye its good

#

ours is good too tho

#

just theirs isnt rng

vestal geyser Dec 18, 2021, 4:13 AM

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it's probably overtuned at 100%

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:13 AM

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SAD

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:13 AM

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It’s definitely overturned at 100%

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:13 AM

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our set is considered overtuned as well lol

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:13 AM

#

But honestly I am glad it is overturned

#

Tuned**

#

I prefer overtuned stuff then fixing it vs under performing stuff

#

But having rng + shit leggo

#

Doesn’t mean it’s overtuned

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:14 AM

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i prefer everyone gets a bunch of overtuned stuff

#

so then everyone is just tuned equally

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:14 AM

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Yes

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:14 AM

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except were all overtuned so the effects feel fun

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:14 AM

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Same

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:14 AM

#

but ig blizzard has some imaginary % values they try to tune things into (according to many people)

#

so we'll probably be nerfed

#

sin set too

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:15 AM

#

I do like sin set tho

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:15 AM

#

but ours being RNG means ours getting nerfed just will feel

#

really bad

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:15 AM

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Because it gives them the option to run Night Fae

#

Potentially run NF*

#

That’s cool tbh

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:15 AM

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ye its cool

vestal geyser Dec 18, 2021, 4:15 AM

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hoary zephyr Because it gives them the option to run Night Fae

COPIUM

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:15 AM

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assa gameplay just not 4 me

vestal geyser Dec 18, 2021, 4:15 AM

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joking, i do like tht

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:15 AM

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Ya same

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I don’t like the gameplay

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Wel

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I don’t mind it

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But if sub is an equal performing spec, I will play sub

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:16 AM

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i'd prefer if they gave it 1000% haste so it can be gcd capped again

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borpaBased

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:16 AM

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Lmao

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:16 AM

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only time assa was fun for me

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8.3 exsang

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:17 AM

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So I took a break from Emerald Nightmare

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Till Nya

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I was pursuing pro OW

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I come back

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And like

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Corruptions fucking meme dude

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:17 AM

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ye

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whack shit

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although corruptions was an interesting concept ig

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:17 AM

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I was like “is it normal to run CT single target and have full energy entire time? What the fuck”

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:17 AM

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gave you some pretty big customizability to your build

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the stat ones were cool at least

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:18 AM

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I came back the right time tbh

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:18 AM

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the rnadom proc ones were fuckin trash slot machine shit

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:18 AM

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I came back like a month or so before the vendor

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:18 AM

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ye

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same i think

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maybe a little earlier

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:18 AM

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I think the only thing annoying was grinding essences

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:18 AM

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I got sin expedient but i honestly should have got masterful sub set

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:18 AM

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Well

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:18 AM

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or whatever the build was

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that sub build was actually fun

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just undertuned as fuck

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:18 AM

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Blood of the enemy was given to me for free

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Tbh

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:18 AM

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you hit some giga eviscerates

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:18 AM

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I logged on and got rank 3

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:18 AM

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wish we had that back

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:19 AM

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And had to work for breath

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Ya

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I had a full 475ilvl vers mastery set with gushing and then when I went for r1 push, my partner had a storm in Arkansas

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Power went out for a month

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:19 AM

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sad

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:19 AM

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Last month of the season

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Feels bad

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I just had to kidney and he just drops chaos bolts and it was gg

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:20 AM

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rofl

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ye

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destro lock

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epic gameplay in pvp

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bolt x300000

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:20 AM

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And my hpal had full ineffable truths

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So

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KEKW

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Gotta love 30 sec cd bops

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And hoj on cd

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:21 AM

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ye apparently sub had some ineffable truth build potential

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that was never properly tested or anything

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:21 AM

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I know hacha played with masterful

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I was working on a set but gave up

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:21 AM

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ye that wasnt even the right build lol

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:21 AM

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For sub

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:21 AM

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he just coaxed everyone into doing it cause its fun

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:21 AM

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I thought it was?

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Ohh

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:21 AM

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nah it wasnt the best simming thing

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:21 AM

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Lol

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:21 AM

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rofl

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:21 AM

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What was the best simmed then

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I don’t even know what corruptions were good

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:22 AM

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uhhh im not sure

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:22 AM

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Stars?

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:22 AM

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this is just

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:22 AM

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Maybe?

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:22 AM

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history ive heard through the grape vine

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aka push and whispyr etc

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:22 AM

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Ye

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:22 AM

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probably tentacle

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:22 AM

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Ohh

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:22 AM

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was the actual best

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:22 AM

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Lmao

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:22 AM

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tentacle was best for rogue for pure parsing potential

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:22 AM

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Okay so when my friends were trying to convince me to play the game

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They showed me a video of them

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He got stunned by a rogue as a priest, his dot on the rogue proc’d tentacle and it killed the rogue

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While the priest was in a full kidney

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I was like

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Why do I wanna come back to this

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:23 AM

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ye

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the proc corruptiojns sucked

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:23 AM

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And then the bike trinket

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:23 AM

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rofl

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drest too

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meme shit

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:23 AM

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Ya

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I got a mythic one too

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God damn

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I was JUICED

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I had double carapace daggers too

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But ya

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:24 AM

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ye I started the game off as a pvp rat too

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:24 AM

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I played with that one trinket

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The pool

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:24 AM

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came to retail in late legion

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:24 AM

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I was playing rmp that patch with other friends

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And they were like

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:24 AM

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my main content was wpvp ganking

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:25 AM

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Okay drop the pool

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On the Poly dude

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:25 AM

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what pool

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:25 AM

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Spite

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It like dropped a pool on the ground and increased enemy corruption by 20 and increased it +1 more every second

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But you could stack it

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So you poly someone

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Drop 3 pools

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Person has 100+ corruption

vestal geyser Dec 18, 2021, 4:26 AM

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LOL

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:26 AM

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They die instantly

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:26 AM

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oh ye

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that shit

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:26 AM

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And if they don’t, those little dudes proc for him and chase him and nuke him

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LMAO

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:26 AM

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ye

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:26 AM

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God damn

livid ferry Dec 18, 2021, 4:26 AM

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lotta meme shit in nya

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:26 AM

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What a meme man

vestal geyser Dec 18, 2021, 4:26 AM

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tht sounds perfectly fine

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0 problems

hoary zephyr Dec 18, 2021, 4:28 AM

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https://clips.twitch.tv/PiliablePlayfulLardWTRuck

Twitch

Whaazz - Spite

Watch Whaazz's clip titled "Spite "

▶ Play video

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I still have the clip saved

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Shits funny af

wind furnace Dec 18, 2021, 8:05 AM

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how was boss testing so far?

delicate osprey Dec 18, 2021, 8:05 AM

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most bosses are quite cool

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still have to see them on mythic some of them have potential

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only sad one was anduin that was quite overtuned

grave peak Dec 18, 2021, 8:10 AM

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anduins dope though

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that intermission is cool as fuck

warm olive Dec 18, 2021, 8:12 AM

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anduin is pretty cool yeah

wind furnace Dec 18, 2021, 8:14 AM

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better than sylvanas/jaina?

delicate osprey Dec 18, 2021, 8:14 AM

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in my opinion ye

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not much rng

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jaina and sylv were fucky in that department

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if they tweak the numbers a bit it's going to be quite epic

warm olive Dec 18, 2021, 8:15 AM

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well he's not the last boss technically

delicate osprey Dec 18, 2021, 8:15 AM

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first last boss

warm olive Dec 18, 2021, 8:15 AM

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yeah

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the intermission is pretty cool

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but yeah everything hit like a truck lol

wind furnace Dec 18, 2021, 8:15 AM

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true, hope they still put in effort to make the fight good

warm olive Dec 18, 2021, 8:16 AM

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the debuff mechanic is pretty cool too

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dark debuff and light debuff need to meet without touching anyone with either same debuff or no debuff

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if that makes sense

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it was a bit awkward when you were the last debuffs up and your partner was on the other side of the map but it's something that will have a proper strat set up for it by the time it's live probably

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melee A D A D is a killer potentially though lol

wind furnace Dec 18, 2021, 8:19 AM

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warm olive dark debuff and light debuff need to meet without touching anyone with either sa...

so like star argur?

delicate osprey Dec 18, 2021, 8:20 AM

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a bit harder actually

warm olive Dec 18, 2021, 8:20 AM

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i didn't play that :s

wind furnace Dec 18, 2021, 8:20 AM

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you can't shadow step to the target?

warm olive Dec 18, 2021, 8:20 AM

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you should be able to

delicate osprey Dec 18, 2021, 8:20 AM

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you can but the problem is that if another one also goes

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you pop

warm olive Dec 18, 2021, 8:20 AM

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yeah you're not assigned to one person

wind furnace Dec 18, 2021, 8:20 AM

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star argur you basically had "pairs" with debuff that needed to meet up

delicate osprey Dec 18, 2021, 8:20 AM

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when he comes with mark and you both dont have

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so now 3 people die kek

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well but it will have a strat

warm olive Dec 18, 2021, 8:21 AM

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it's like 8 people are dark, 8 are light they need to all clear

wind furnace Dec 18, 2021, 8:21 AM

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i mean

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thats probably easy to do with a weakaura/raid mod

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to have both shout a number or symbols and meet

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just like on star augur 😛

warm olive Dec 18, 2021, 8:22 AM

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Yeah def what's gonna happen

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reminded me of paranoia

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which is probably similar to what you're referring to fuu

mossy carbon Dec 18, 2021, 9:58 AM

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On uu'nat shadowstepping wouldn't work if someone with the wrong mark was in between you and your target (it would just explode), did anyone notice if that was also the case on Anduin?

feral schooner Dec 18, 2021, 10:08 AM

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Yes

mellow urchin Dec 18, 2021, 11:12 AM

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@wind furnace does not look like akaari is working with the tier set in the first implementation?

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116 regular shadowstrike casts, 110 akaari procs

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16 regular shadowstrike WMs, 16 akaari wms

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32.3 t28 shadowstrikes, ??? akaari procs on that

wind furnace Dec 18, 2021, 12:25 PM

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ill ask koji/mysteler about the implementation

mellow urchin Dec 18, 2021, 12:26 PM

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also it seems like theres always a small amount of shadowstrikes

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lost

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in akaari

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116 vs 110 in this case

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4p is supposed to proc akaari, just so we're clear on that

delicate osprey Dec 18, 2021, 12:31 PM

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yea the strikes lost is kind of weird sometimes

mellow urchin Dec 18, 2021, 12:31 PM

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another weird thing is that perforated veins seems to be working with regular shadowstrikes but not with the 4p in this implementation. And PV doesnt gain stacks from regular weaponmasters but it does from 4p

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but the 4p is not giving PV from what i am seeing

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in this sim

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like in my case here, i am getting 132.3 PV stacks

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which lines up perfectly with 116 shadowstrike casts and 16 weaponmaster procs

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but the 32 procs from 4p is not in the calculation

wind furnace Dec 18, 2021, 12:33 PM

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koji did iirc implement it with the bugfixes

mellow urchin Dec 18, 2021, 12:33 PM

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no

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it seems like he only included the 4p procing the 2p

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and nothing else

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from the list

wind furnace Dec 18, 2021, 12:34 PM

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i was just refering to his note

mellow urchin Dec 18, 2021, 12:34 PM

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well i am telling you what i am seeing in the actual sim

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you can look yourself

wind furnace Dec 18, 2021, 12:34 PM

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yes

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thats why i asked back mystler/koji

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possible that he forgot about akaari or sth

mellow urchin Dec 18, 2021, 12:35 PM

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and PV

wind furnace Dec 18, 2021, 12:35 PM

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Mystler: quickly checking the code it should proc akaaris

mellow urchin Dec 18, 2021, 12:35 PM

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but its also giving PV from shadowstrike WMs, that shouldnt happen

mellow urchin Dec 18, 2021, 12:36 PM

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wind furnace > Mystler: quickly checking the code it should proc akaaris

must be something wrong pepoShrug

wind furnace Dec 18, 2021, 12:36 PM

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oh ye, you are correct it seems

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it does not proc akaari atm

mellow urchin Dec 18, 2021, 12:38 PM

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while looking at it

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can you also find out why akaari is losing a small amount of procs compared to shadowstrikes used

wind furnace Dec 18, 2021, 12:38 PM

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well akaari 📈 then

mellow urchin Dec 18, 2021, 12:38 PM

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in all these sims

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like why does the bot use 116 strikes

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and only get 110 akaari

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doesnt make sense

delicate osprey Dec 18, 2021, 12:39 PM

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yea that is mistery meat for sure

wind furnace Dec 18, 2021, 12:40 PM

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can akaari miss?

mellow urchin Dec 18, 2021, 12:40 PM

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no

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its not missing in the sim either

wind furnace Dec 18, 2021, 12:40 PM

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or is it with the half procs or sth?

mellow urchin Dec 18, 2021, 12:40 PM

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its just not there

wind furnace Dec 18, 2021, 12:40 PM

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ill ask back

mellow urchin Dec 18, 2021, 12:41 PM

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and so it doesnt go missing in all the akaari stuff, PV is not working on the 4p yet either

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and you have to remove PV working on regular weaponmaster procs cus it doesnt work like that ingame

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you dont get a stack from regular shadowstrike WMs

wind furnace Dec 18, 2021, 12:42 PM

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yes

mellow urchin Dec 18, 2021, 12:42 PM

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118+15 = 133

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116 + 16 = 132

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ember oyster Dec 18, 2021, 12:43 PM

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can confirm push's math is correct

mellow urchin Dec 18, 2021, 12:43 PM

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t28 = ????

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no pv

wind furnace Dec 18, 2021, 12:43 PM

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i think _t28 = all procs
and _t28_wm = only the wm ones

mellow urchin Dec 18, 2021, 12:44 PM

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in total there should have been 148 PV buffs

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yea i know fuu, its 28 regular + 4 WM (32,3)

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32,3 + 116 = 148,3

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but the PV stacks only correctly correlate with how many regular shadowstrikes + WM was cast

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and i know koji implemented PV to not work with WM, or at least said so when he first fixed it

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but it seems to work again (?)

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on live sims it actually seems to be giving us too few stacks?

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a mess n a half smh

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108 shadowstrike casts ye?

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88+5 overflowing

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93?

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why is it missing 15 procs from PV

wind furnace Dec 18, 2021, 12:50 PM

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yes, seems something is not quite correct

mellow urchin Dec 18, 2021, 12:50 PM

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so on PTR = its back to shadowstrike WM giving PV
on live = its not even giving full PV stacks from regular shadowstrikes

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