9.2 Feedback and Discussion | Ravenholdt | Page 35

hushed comet Mar 1, 2022, 1:43 AM

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kyrian will be strong

elfin cedar Mar 1, 2022, 1:44 AM

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On that tinyurl, can you explain the difference between 'single target' and 'priority target'?

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are the priority sims essentially burst dps windows?

slender iris Mar 1, 2022, 1:54 AM

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Imagine there are multiple targets. Now imagine one of them is your priority.

elfin cedar Mar 1, 2022, 1:58 AM

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slender iris Imagine there are multiple targets. Now imagine one of them is your priority.

I guess my question is, why is kyrian ahead of venthyr on the single target sims, but venthyr 2k ahead of kyrian on priority target sims? Just trying to understand the difference between the two in terms of the relative sim differences

slender iris Mar 1, 2022, 2:00 AM

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Flag is good for funnel (see m+), ER doesn't really do anything for funnel

elfin cedar Mar 1, 2022, 2:00 AM

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slender iris Flag is good for funnel (see m+), ER doesn't really do anything for funnel

Ahh, that makes sense

twin zephyr Mar 1, 2022, 6:42 AM

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!fuu

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 8:10 AM

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!fuu

keen aspenBOT Mar 1, 2022, 8:10 AM

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wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 8:10 AM

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jagged topaz Mar 1, 2022, 9:02 AM

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Hello, i just saw the latest sims on trinkets
I was wondering u said sack is rly bad for sub but gucci for outlaw

I currently tried on some HC bosses on Live so with 233 sack and 246 phial, and sack where slightly ahead in terms of damage output, is the difference in sims comes with "agi instead of mastery?"
Thought it would be a giga trinket to farm next week but apparently i was wrong

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 9:03 AM

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mastery is not terrible but indeed not our primary focus stat

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subtlety just gets more benefits from other trinkets, i did link a sim comparing diffrent trinkets earlier in #subtlety
link: #subtlety message

jagged topaz Mar 1, 2022, 9:06 AM

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Yeah i've seen it tks fuu for everything u doing on a daily basis !
I was just thinking before i saw that
Maybe the sack would be giga but 😦

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sims of bells sims completely stupid x)

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 9:07 AM

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sack has a bit higher damage variance, what means if you are lucky, it coud be more competitive

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bells def. will change, don't think blizz wants this amount of damage on it

jagged topaz Mar 1, 2022, 9:09 AM

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Yeah x') and it's a trinket which is on Skolex meaning a LOT of people will be able to get it from first mythic week too

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Just hope it'll still be decent trinket

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 9:13 AM

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i hope for it to be good

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i don't hope it stays op, as this state is a bit absurd

jagged topaz Mar 1, 2022, 9:13 AM

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It's completely broken clearly

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And i mean even for M+, we're suppose to be funneling a lot of things with this trinket it's even better i guess no ? it's only ST if i'm not mistaken so for Boss and priority damage should be gucci too

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 9:19 AM

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it did not come out ahead before for funnel

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!fuu

keen aspenBOT Mar 1, 2022, 9:19 AM

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wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 9:19 AM

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i have funnel covered in the sheet

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(ofc evaluation was before bells hotfix)

jagged topaz Mar 1, 2022, 9:26 AM

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Perfect tks 😄

nocturne oyster Mar 1, 2022, 12:02 PM

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Any news on trinkets?

lunar fractal Mar 1, 2022, 12:07 PM

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@wind furnace Maybe an idea to close this thread soon?

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 12:08 PM

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yes, the plan is to let it open for at least the first week of the raid

stone knoll Mar 1, 2022, 12:56 PM

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Any pinned info on the Bells shenanigans ?

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oversimming or just cracked ?

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I know this question might be asked often so hoping to find some pinned info.

mellow urchin Mar 1, 2022, 12:59 PM

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In relation to what?

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It was buffed by like 100% last night in a hotfix iirc

stone knoll Mar 1, 2022, 12:59 PM

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Was it?

mellow urchin Mar 1, 2022, 12:59 PM

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yes

stone knoll Mar 1, 2022, 12:59 PM

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Mustve missed it

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Pepeg

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amongst DKs crying over their ring

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apologies then for asking it

mellow urchin Mar 1, 2022, 1:00 PM

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more than 100%

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even

stone knoll Mar 1, 2022, 1:00 PM

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yeah got me confused when I used droptimizer and showed me + 1.6k

mellow urchin Mar 1, 2022, 1:01 PM

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1.6k??

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ye that sounds like.. a bit too much

stone knoll Mar 1, 2022, 1:01 PM

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given my trinkets are IQD + Phial

mellow urchin Mar 1, 2022, 1:04 PM

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that just looks wrong

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implementation might be off

spiral glade Mar 1, 2022, 1:04 PM

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Someone in warrcord said it already got nerfed but I haven’t been able to find any confirmation

mellow urchin Mar 1, 2022, 1:09 PM

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if this number is correct, then yea it should have gotten nerfed

spiral glade Mar 1, 2022, 1:11 PM

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That number does seem wrong though

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It was buffed by like a little over 2x right so pre buff that would still be like a +750 dps right?

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Or like 600 over Scars which I don’t remember it being

hushed comet Mar 1, 2022, 1:19 PM

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mellow urchin if this number is correct, then yea it should have gotten nerfed

That Bell trinket was doing numbers last night

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qbm1fzggtVnFQWMt57qRCn @mellow urchin

Raidbots

Advanced Sim - 18,502 DPS - Raidbots

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Definitely going to get slammed back down into our atmosphere with nerfs.

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Like the meteor that killed the dinosaurs

mellow urchin Mar 1, 2022, 1:21 PM

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someone prob put one 0 too many on the buff

hushed comet Mar 1, 2022, 1:21 PM

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Yeah I said whoever hot fixed it had a typo somewhere kekw

mellow urchin Mar 1, 2022, 1:21 PM

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but it does seem like the sim is off

hushed comet Mar 1, 2022, 1:21 PM

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Apparently it’s proc rate is higher too

mellow urchin Mar 1, 2022, 1:21 PM

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what

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ok

hushed comet Mar 1, 2022, 1:21 PM

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They buffed the damage ~130%

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And it procs more for some reason

lofty crane Mar 1, 2022, 1:22 PM

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Was proccing every 20-25 secs for me on ptr

hushed comet Mar 1, 2022, 1:22 PM

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Yeah they goofed up somewhere

lofty crane Mar 1, 2022, 1:24 PM

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It's probably overvalued for us compared to other specs because of FW no?

mellow urchin Mar 1, 2022, 1:24 PM

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my guess is that only 1 of those things was meant to get buffed and they accidently buffed both procrate and dmg

hushed comet Mar 1, 2022, 1:24 PM

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No

mellow urchin Mar 1, 2022, 1:24 PM

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fw does not work on trinkets

hushed comet Mar 1, 2022, 1:24 PM

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It does even more for some other classes

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DH iirc gains almost 2k dps from it

lofty crane Mar 1, 2022, 1:24 PM

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would be cool if it did...

hushed comet Mar 1, 2022, 1:24 PM

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omegalul

mellow urchin Mar 1, 2022, 1:24 PM

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hushed comet DH iirc gains almost 2k dps from it

i assume its huge for venthyr

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with all the haste steroid

hushed comet Mar 1, 2022, 1:24 PM

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Yeah

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I hope it’s going to be a good trinket

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But not this good obv

mellow urchin Mar 1, 2022, 1:25 PM

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wdym, its only doing 12% overall dmg in that sim

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no biggie

hushed comet Mar 1, 2022, 1:26 PM

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It drops from skolex iirc

mellow urchin Mar 1, 2022, 1:26 PM

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ye

hushed comet Mar 1, 2022, 1:26 PM

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starege

mellow urchin Mar 1, 2022, 1:26 PM

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i mean it wasnt bad before this buff

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it was worse than phial

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but not bad

hushed comet Mar 1, 2022, 1:26 PM

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Yeah

mellow urchin Mar 1, 2022, 1:26 PM

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so even if they just remove 1 of the buffs

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its gonna be bis for passive trinket slot

hushed comet Mar 1, 2022, 1:26 PM

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Yeah

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I like how trinkets are looking rn

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So many decent options is nice

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Hate farming the same dungeon back to back

lofty crane Mar 1, 2022, 1:27 PM

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I wish they'd stop with the "shared between" on all the aoe trinkets but yeah some interesting ones this tier

hushed comet Mar 1, 2022, 1:27 PM

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Is faulty any good for sub? 272

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Compared to other 272s

mellow urchin Mar 1, 2022, 1:29 PM

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lofty crane I wish they'd stop with the "shared between" on all the aoe trinkets but yeah so...

2nd effect on chain is aoe

lofty crane Mar 1, 2022, 1:32 PM

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Omege

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 1:34 PM

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The trinket is that high in impact because it has a way to high proc rate

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somebody probably made a typo and put in 10 times of the proc rate it should have

hushed comet Mar 1, 2022, 1:58 PM

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What a gigachad dev

pale jetty Mar 1, 2022, 1:58 PM

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he put in one too little zeros

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adding another zero will surely fix it

hushed comet Mar 1, 2022, 1:58 PM

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Let me have that trinket for 1 reset

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Before nerf

pale jetty Mar 1, 2022, 1:59 PM

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yeee i hope i get it today

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if it doesnt get dunked

hushed comet Mar 1, 2022, 1:59 PM

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kekw

mellow urchin Mar 1, 2022, 2:03 PM

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pale jetty if it doesnt get dunked

there are 0 alternative realities where this is true

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its prob dunked before raid is even released

pale jetty Mar 1, 2022, 2:03 PM

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yeah probably lol

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would be nice if it remained a bis trinket

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would like another strong early trink

lofty crane Mar 1, 2022, 2:48 PM

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Skolex looking pretty stacked if the trinket isn't dunked on. 2nd boss Weapon and the trink is pretty giga

mellow urchin Mar 1, 2022, 2:49 PM

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#stacked 4 sure

livid ferry Mar 1, 2022, 3:21 PM

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did we figure out what slot legos / and single lego goes on ? like if single lego ( Akaari )

stone knoll Mar 1, 2022, 3:22 PM

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You can find it in new FAQ that just got posted

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Prayge

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 3:22 PM

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its also in my spreadsheet

livid ferry Mar 1, 2022, 3:23 PM

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ahh sweet thx

delicate osprey Mar 1, 2022, 3:23 PM

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and someone said fw does not work on trinks it does if the dmg is phys so pog for sub

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easy to check with kel trink and also shriek one

thick patrol Mar 1, 2022, 4:59 PM

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SERBEREES UP?

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oh nvm client updated and still has the downtime thingy

delicate osprey Mar 1, 2022, 5:01 PM

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2 hours or so left

stone knoll Mar 1, 2022, 5:04 PM

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My Shammy friend sent me this, new WF chart with leggos and 4p. Somehow Sub loses dmg from having 4p and double leggo kekW

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any fact checkers if its bullshit or smthing

coarse quiver Mar 1, 2022, 5:05 PM

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wouldnt make sense, we're not yet at a point where we're global locked

winged fiber Mar 1, 2022, 5:05 PM

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that seems weird

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considering more cp = more shadowdance = more 2 /4 pc procs

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if anything we would gain value?

coarse quiver Mar 1, 2022, 5:05 PM

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if we were global locked in 100% dance uptime, i would understand not getting gain from Stech

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or rather gaining less

winged fiber Mar 1, 2022, 5:06 PM

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maybe for kyrian

stone knoll Mar 1, 2022, 5:06 PM

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winged fiber Mar 1, 2022, 5:06 PM

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venth is nowhere near 100% dance lol

coarse quiver Mar 1, 2022, 5:06 PM

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well yeah thats the hypothetical

winged fiber Mar 1, 2022, 5:07 PM

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fake news

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kekw

coarse quiver Mar 1, 2022, 5:07 PM

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so yeah I'd say that needs to be fact checked with a smart ape

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i ping smart apes too often though so I'll just wait for one of them to stumble onto this conversation

plucky storm Mar 1, 2022, 5:10 PM

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Seems reasonable to me

stone knoll Mar 1, 2022, 5:10 PM

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How so

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Due to more CP spending we lose AA values?

plucky storm Mar 1, 2022, 5:11 PM

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Tier adds a ton of cp, makes having more shadow tech procs less valuable

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If you get 50 extra cp from wft

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And that’s 50 extra cp on top of 100 cp

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That’s a lot of cp

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If it’s 50 extra cp on top of 1000 cp

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That’s not a lot of cp

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You’re also overcapping quite a bit

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Shadow blades uptime is large and you’re at 6cp constantly

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Think shadow tech is overcapping 10-15% more than 9.1

coarse quiver Mar 1, 2022, 5:13 PM

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smart ape smart for reason

plucky storm Mar 1, 2022, 5:13 PM

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Idk I don’t really see that much of a problem with it

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It’s not enabling anything

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There’s less downtime, where it’s most valuable

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There’s more dances, where it’s less valuable

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You’re overcapping more

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 5:14 PM

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subtlety is still considered rly good if you take those values

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for wft

stone knoll Mar 1, 2022, 5:15 PM

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sus

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I see

coarse quiver Mar 1, 2022, 5:15 PM

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yeah for sure its still the best class after warrior

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 5:16 PM

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arms, fury, ret, sub are the top 4

coarse quiver Mar 1, 2022, 5:16 PM

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relative to the fact youre never bringing a ret pally

plucky storm Mar 1, 2022, 5:16 PM

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That means I don’t get wft

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YEPPERS

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We have a ret and 3 warriors

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Although maybe one of them quit now that I’m thinking about it

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 5:17 PM

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perfect monkahmm

shut valve Mar 1, 2022, 5:41 PM

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plucky storm Tier adds a ton of cp, makes having more shadow tech procs less valuable

i would assume this would cause wft to lose it's "relative" value

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or rather % gain

delicate osprey Mar 1, 2022, 5:41 PM

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yea they just explained in the posts above

shut valve Mar 1, 2022, 5:41 PM

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but i guess the overcapping part could be a reason to lose absolute dps peeposhrug

delicate osprey Mar 1, 2022, 5:41 PM

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with less of our total dmg coming from autoattacks too

shut valve Mar 1, 2022, 5:41 PM

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well yes

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this would be % dmg loss, not absolute dmg loss 😄

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 5:42 PM

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460 vs 414 seems not that far appart

plucky storm Mar 1, 2022, 5:43 PM

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Denial <- we are here
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

winged fiber Mar 1, 2022, 5:44 PM

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Is that done with kyrian or venth though RHmm

plucky storm Mar 1, 2022, 5:44 PM

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I think it’s venth

winged fiber Mar 1, 2022, 5:44 PM

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Interesting

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 5:45 PM

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winged fiber Is that done with kyrian or venth though <:RHmm:876980657283297360>

kyrian

winged fiber Mar 1, 2022, 5:45 PM

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I knew it pepe_smoke

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Fake news

delicate osprey Mar 1, 2022, 5:46 PM

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but hey in another hand kyrian is stonks now for affinity kek

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one of the better ones

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after the others got head lopped off

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 5:47 PM

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i did realise this when looking at sims

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venthyr during burst phases is only marginal higher in output than kyrian baseline with max gear

delicate osprey Mar 1, 2022, 5:47 PM

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XD rogue and burst

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our biggest burst will be with the chains trinket funnily enough

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 5:47 PM

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i mean ye ^^

delicate osprey Mar 1, 2022, 5:48 PM

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breaching those 50k dps for 2 secs POG

winged fiber Mar 1, 2022, 5:48 PM

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Which is why I will be playing fae sin on farm kekw

delicate osprey Mar 1, 2022, 5:48 PM

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fae sub is more burst

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funnily enough LUL

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 5:48 PM

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winged fiber Which is why I will be playing fae sin on farm <:kekw:610125925413289985>

lol

delicate osprey Mar 1, 2022, 5:48 PM

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just dont look at the complete graph

wise crescent Mar 1, 2022, 6:36 PM

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do we need to break the trinket?

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 6:36 PM

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it might be fixed already for what its worth

delicate osprey Mar 1, 2022, 6:40 PM

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ye hotfixes are client side so maybe its already on

winged fiber Mar 1, 2022, 7:56 PM

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rogue lookin like it needs buffs

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RHmm

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bout a 12% aura buff by my estimations

mellow urchin Mar 1, 2022, 8:08 PM

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WeirdChamp

winged fiber Mar 1, 2022, 8:13 PM

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mellow urchin <:WeirdChamp:585590226651578368>

someones gotta be on top

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might as well be yellow

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kekw

stone knoll Mar 1, 2022, 8:21 PM

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that disgusting trinket is live

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 8:25 PM

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they didn't nerf it, so ye ^^

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fun till they fix it

lofty crane Mar 1, 2022, 8:26 PM

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now everyone gonna be like "WW is so op nerf!"

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 8:28 PM

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def. will stay like this copium

subtle shale Mar 1, 2022, 8:57 PM

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yo when i sim it wont cast rup until 25 sec in has something changed in the apl?

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 8:57 PM

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the sim won't cast rupture during dance anymore on single target

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since a bit now

subtle shale Mar 1, 2022, 8:58 PM

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so we dont open with echoing into rup anymore then?

lament ore Mar 1, 2022, 8:59 PM

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PepoG

subtle shale Mar 1, 2022, 9:00 PM

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okayge

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 9:10 PM

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subtle shale so we dont open with echoing into rup anymore then?

strike-snd-er-rupture-dance usually

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but possible that the sim goes strike-snd-er-dance-finish with 2p

lament ore Mar 1, 2022, 9:13 PM

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wind furnace strike-snd-er-rupture-dance usually

do you pop Symbols and/or Blades for ER, or just pop those after the rupture?

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Hmmge

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 9:14 PM

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you use blades with symbols

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with tier set you can even use it on cd

lament ore Mar 1, 2022, 9:14 PM

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I mean I know

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I'm asking about the opener

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if you cast either before ER

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or pop them after the rupture when going into Dance

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 9:15 PM

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strike-snd-symbols+blades-er-...

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so ye

lament ore Mar 1, 2022, 9:15 PM

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YEPge

frozen arch Mar 1, 2022, 9:20 PM

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noob question, probably answered here previously

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does akari work with 2p tier?

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 9:21 PM

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you mean 4p, and yes it does

frozen arch Mar 1, 2022, 9:22 PM

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i meant 2p

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ie shadowstrike gives shadow blade

mellow urchin Mar 1, 2022, 9:25 PM

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yes

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 9:25 PM

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shadowblades works with akaaris

mellow urchin Mar 1, 2022, 9:25 PM

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no

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the dmg is replicated

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but akaari doesnt give shadowblades

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 9:25 PM

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^

frozen arch Mar 1, 2022, 9:26 PM

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but Weaponmaster talent can proc shadowblades?

mellow urchin Mar 1, 2022, 9:26 PM

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yea

frozen arch Mar 1, 2022, 9:26 PM

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shieeet, 10.0 will be shit when we drop the tiers ;/

lament ore Mar 1, 2022, 9:27 PM

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could possibly add that to the pins specifying set interactions in this channel and #subtlety

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the 2p interactions

wind furnace Mar 1, 2022, 10:13 PM

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isn't it in #subtlety already?

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or do you mean specifically state that akaaris does not proc shb

lament ore Mar 1, 2022, 10:14 PM

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the latter part, just more clarification on more of the 2p interactions, since the 4p has many more such mentions

unkempt peak Mar 2, 2022, 2:50 AM

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I knows these are just sims and not 100% to be trusted... but is nightfae really better than venthyr?

mellow urchin Mar 2, 2022, 3:18 AM

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No its not

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But its close

buoyant gyro Mar 2, 2022, 4:11 AM

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Default profiles are with double legendary and 4pc so really pretty irrelevant for the time being anyway

wind furnace Mar 2, 2022, 6:48 AM

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unkempt peak I knows these are just sims and not 100% to be trusted... but is nightfae really...

the profiles seem off too, its better to look at my spreadsheet

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!fuu

keen aspenBOT Mar 2, 2022, 6:48 AM

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unkempt peak Mar 2, 2022, 7:31 PM

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I put my faith in Lord Fuu

signal nacelle Mar 3, 2022, 1:24 AM

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@wind furnace I just saw the sub faq and holy shit! the quality of your work is truly amazing! Thanks so much for doing this!

wind furnace Mar 3, 2022, 6:47 AM

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thanks 🙂

covert flame Mar 3, 2022, 8:45 AM

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Hi everyone ! i might be missed but i just check wowhead article for sub legendaries,however,i couldn't see recommendation about which slot to craft resounding clarity.. could you land some info

wind furnace Mar 3, 2022, 8:46 AM

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bracers

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because it does not conflict with the tier set

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and you will in week 5 switch to unity

covert flame Mar 3, 2022, 8:49 AM

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hmm so build'll be like resounding on bracers + waist of unity once 2 legendary wearing is available?

wind furnace Mar 3, 2022, 8:52 AM

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belt

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there is no bracers XD

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my bad

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but yes, you can wait for unity, but you could also just upgrade the belt

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the question you need to ask yourself is how many legendary items you want to craft/upgrade

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if you play subtlety in m+ or on funnel/aoe fights you will want to craft obedience too

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so you can either upgrade all obedience and rc on their own

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or craft unity on a slot that both work well with

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potentially even a slot all 3 specs of rogue work well with

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(tho you usually want diffrent stats on unity for all 3 specs)

covert flame Mar 3, 2022, 8:57 AM

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so i'm willing to craft as few as possible.. right now i have obe on back but according to your sims and logs kyrian will dominate so i need to craft "rc" anyways..

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but i get it know you say craft in on waist then you will turn it to unity and craft akari on neck

wind furnace Mar 3, 2022, 9:06 AM

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all green slots are abou equal in output

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so all of them can be used

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(from my spreadsheet)

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!fuu

keen aspenBOT Mar 3, 2022, 9:06 AM

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wind furnace Mar 3, 2022, 9:06 AM

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what you can do

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is sim how strong akaaris is for you

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and depending on how much you lose, decide if you want to skip crafting rc

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as you will use akaaris with double legendary in raid quite a bit

vagrant glade Mar 3, 2022, 9:39 AM

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i lost 600 sim dps off my character over night.. anything change with sims?

wind furnace Mar 3, 2022, 9:41 AM

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there was a bug in simc yesterday that made you sim to high

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it was fixed yesterday tho, so only for a short time frame

icy dawn Mar 3, 2022, 12:09 PM

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Is the Scolex trinket fixed in sims?

wind furnace Mar 3, 2022, 12:10 PM

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yes

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but it seems very buggy in game

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some did report close to no procs and then there is a log with 500 procs over a fight

icy dawn Mar 3, 2022, 12:12 PM

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Y

mortal harbor Mar 3, 2022, 12:24 PM

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Seems that crafting the unity lego in the Head is the way to go right, by the look of It, anduin might be an issue to kill

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And unity loses that much If its crafted on the belt?

wind furnace Mar 3, 2022, 12:29 PM

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everything green is a "good choice"

mortal harbor Mar 3, 2022, 12:38 PM

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So we cant be safe and not craft in a non tier set slot

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In order to get the most out of it

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Bummer

wind furnace Mar 3, 2022, 1:07 PM

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wdym

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you can craft akaari on neck and later adjust to your tier set drops

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if you want to avoid tier slots all together, you might be slightly worse, but its not super big

mortal harbor Mar 3, 2022, 1:14 PM

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wind furnace wdym

Yeah i meant avoiding tier set slots all together

wind furnace Mar 3, 2022, 1:15 PM

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you don't have to many options then, neck/back + x

mortal harbor Mar 3, 2022, 1:15 PM

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Since im prob gonna get 2 leggos before 4p

wind furnace Mar 3, 2022, 1:15 PM

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you will also be able to craft tier set week 8

mortal harbor Mar 3, 2022, 1:16 PM

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But isnt double leggo like week5?

wind furnace Mar 3, 2022, 1:17 PM

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yes

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i mean, you are correct that double legendary will unlock earlier

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but you can also just use the belt

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and later craft unity on the slot you prefere

mortal harbor Mar 3, 2022, 1:18 PM

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Im mostly this concerned about the Gold ill have to spend on mats

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If It wasnt for this, i would be crafting them all

shut valve Mar 3, 2022, 1:19 PM

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Just loot 4 pc

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4head

idle bloom Mar 3, 2022, 2:41 PM

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guys what 262 craft ring effect is best?

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main stat proc or secondary cuz I hear main stat procs so bad

wind furnace Mar 3, 2022, 2:47 PM

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Not sure if they are supported by the sim

hushed comet Mar 3, 2022, 3:12 PM

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I don’t think the effects are

fiery sequoia Mar 3, 2022, 3:51 PM

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Is there a BIS spreadsheet for 9.2?

wind furnace Mar 3, 2022, 3:53 PM

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!fuu

keen aspenBOT Mar 3, 2022, 3:53 PM

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Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

wind furnace Mar 3, 2022, 3:53 PM

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but "bis" is a very brought term, a lot of items can be similar in output

fiery sequoia Mar 3, 2022, 3:56 PM

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Right on thanks. Just mainly trying to see what weapons and trinkets have changed.

wind furnace Mar 3, 2022, 3:56 PM

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also it seems like i need to re-evaluate some of the trinkets as they change quite a bit now that they are testable

fiery sequoia Mar 3, 2022, 3:57 PM

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Oh no. Not IQD for funnel

wind furnace Mar 3, 2022, 3:57 PM

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haha

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i need to check the pvp trinket and weapon cache

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as both did see implementation change

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but in general a lot of options should be fairly good

fiery sequoia Mar 3, 2022, 4:01 PM

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Sweet. Thanks for the quick response

wind furnace Mar 3, 2022, 4:05 PM

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so, keep an eye on updates as things will change quite a bit ^^

tight sapphire Mar 3, 2022, 4:29 PM

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weapon cache and pvp trinket simming good for me. scar not so.
dont know if weapon cache is too much rng with weapons and high item level pvp trinket is a bit out of reach

spiral basalt Mar 3, 2022, 4:31 PM

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!fuu

keen aspenBOT Mar 3, 2022, 4:31 PM

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Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

wind furnace Mar 3, 2022, 4:32 PM

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tight sapphire weapon cache and pvp trinket simming good for me. scar not so. dont know if wea...

ye the pvp trinket def. is something to look at

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weapon cache is fairly good it seems

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not sure how many ppl will do high rated pvp to get pvp trinket

delicate osprey Mar 3, 2022, 4:34 PM

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is there any info on which 262 crafted optional enchant does more dps if the little explosion or main stat proc?

wind furnace Mar 3, 2022, 4:35 PM

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i haven't checked if its implemented

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but try to sim it?

delicate osprey Mar 3, 2022, 4:35 PM

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let see

nova nexus Mar 3, 2022, 4:44 PM

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the main stat proc sucks as melee

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little orb that you’re chasing down

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the avoidance or speed maybe better

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i know my vision is pretty shit, but it gets lost in the raid

delicate osprey Mar 3, 2022, 5:00 PM

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i crafted the little orb that explodes

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i was looking at our logs of people that had the mainstat

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and or they ignored it or it has shitty proc rate

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the orb at least has some tangible damage

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even if it is 0,2% i take it also heals and i crafted shoulders because no rygelon this week

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and anyway we are getting m+ gear next week

nova nexus Mar 3, 2022, 5:49 PM

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yeah the main stat is disappointing right now. maybe better when folks are more comfortable but it’s still dog shit to see imo

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the stat boost on kill maybe worth it

buoyant gyro Mar 3, 2022, 5:59 PM

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I mean I have been running it on my ring but I can't really say I have ever seen it in an actual fight. I hear they spawn in BFE which is why it's really inconsistent.

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Apparently I picked it up all of 2 times last night in raid and it certainly was not on purpose 🤣

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Seemed to be pretty common that this was fairly useless across the people in the raid using it

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That's over 26 pulls across a full Normal clear plus 3 on Heroic

nova nexus Mar 3, 2022, 8:10 PM

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yeah was watching a mage play with it and they actually have enough time to move and grab it so the uptime was decent, but when all the “essential” ground effects go off around the melee target good luck.

delicate osprey Mar 3, 2022, 8:40 PM

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also rocky explodey boi does 0,1-0,3%

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in st

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i wonder if it cleaves aoe

nova nexus Mar 3, 2022, 10:19 PM

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will it activate in org where you can try it on dummies? @delicate osprey

trim cedar Mar 4, 2022, 3:54 PM

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Why is it risky to use IQD ?

wind furnace Mar 4, 2022, 3:55 PM

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because it can proc effects that are non dps ones

trim cedar Mar 4, 2022, 3:56 PM

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Oh okay i thought it was a bonus of stats

warm olive Mar 4, 2022, 3:56 PM

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it can be

trim cedar Mar 4, 2022, 3:56 PM

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Based on ur best stat

warm olive Mar 4, 2022, 3:56 PM

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but it can also give mana to a healer or something

vestal geyser Mar 4, 2022, 3:56 PM

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or heal someone

warm olive Mar 4, 2022, 3:57 PM

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(akali is bis)

vestal geyser Mar 4, 2022, 3:57 PM

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but during lust im pretty sure it 100% gives stats

trim cedar Mar 4, 2022, 3:58 PM

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And is it good in m+ ?

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Since i got my trinket heroic from guardian

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And i looted the phial 255

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Bc on the sim, the iqd gives me only 42 more dps

warm olive Mar 4, 2022, 3:59 PM

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vestal geyser but during lust im pretty sure it 100% gives stats

yeah

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i think it can't give haste tho in lust

stuck stone Mar 4, 2022, 4:01 PM

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In lust it gives your highest stat for longer outside its 50/50 between your two highest stats if healers aren't oom or tank dead or you are in cc

trim cedar Mar 4, 2022, 4:02 PM

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So its okay

vestal geyser Mar 4, 2022, 4:03 PM

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it's def good for burst

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gives a lot of stats

fair vortex Mar 4, 2022, 4:28 PM

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trim cedar So its okay

I like it in keys you can burst pretty high and the CD syncs with shb

trim cedar Mar 4, 2022, 4:29 PM

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IQD is not 5 min cd ?

wind furnace Mar 4, 2022, 4:31 PM

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https://www.wowhead.com/item=179350/inscrutable-quantum-device?bonus=3536:4786:1592&ilvl=278

Wowhead

Inscrutable Quantum Device

This blue trinket of item level 158 goes in the "Trinket" slot. It is looted from Dealer Xy'exa. In the Trinkets category. Added in World of Warcraft: Shadowlands.

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3 min cd

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