delete tinker
#Dota
buoyant sage
morph now needs at least two mystic staves to use a spell
seems fair
considering how broken taht shite is
vital pollen
clock is already really good tho
one of the better pos4s
give him +5movespeed and he is a king
tender fox
give morph a manacost again
*allow morphling to morph while disabled
revert old changes
vital pollen
idk i felt morph having a manacost made it a lot easier to counter him with typical diffu carries or heroes like lion
and made him weaker in the laning stage
tbf morph is already pretty weak in lane, but once he hits 5 hes kinda unkillable
gotta pressure him before that, thats not a big window
and morph+sb or morph+od can suck my balls
just remove status resistance entirely, make it smth different for bulldoze so sb himself still has it but only applies to him, not morph when he morphs SB
idk
morph with 80% status resistance from bulldoze is just dumb as fuck
tender fox
more fun that morph+es? 
errant tusk
it was actually toxic too because sb is a bit faster because you build sb/lothar
so by the time stun from sb's charge ends
the morphling sb comes in
and then sb ult comes
and then sb's chargee is back
im not morph/es enjoyer myself idk
its good and you always are in the game with that combo but not as much fun imo
vital pollen
yeah
to me its just beyond stupid
that morph gets the status resistance from bulldoze
status resistance is cancer anyway
hate that shit
was nice when only ursa ult had it
errant tusk
status resistance is toxic stat
distant yoke
potential skills for a techies rework 👀
buoyant sage
potential skills for a techies rework 👀
vital pollen
i mean
you see the direction she faces
before she blinks
so you know where she went 😄
distant yoke
buoyant sage
vital pollen
yeah its like
4 or 5 major hero changes imo
stuff like brew, marci getting an insane shard, rubick ult etc.
but the rest is super damn boring
new tinker seems even stronger than old one, idk
SB is basically still teh same hero as well
at least morph is dead
vital pollen
eblade gone and eblade is really good against him now
replicate change as well
no more free status resistance
errant tusk
its still ok hero
you just wont do double bara shit
but tbh its still as strong with es
so idk
bara at laest cares about losing status res
es doesnt really care about it
errant tusk
eblade gone and eblade is really good against him now
ye its good against him, but so is against some other heroes
whatever has high af gains
it gives spell amp tho which isnt even that bad for mohp
but probably dead item for that hero yea
severe sail
Help me settle an argument with folks from another chat, does the VP logo look more like a bear or a dog?
buoyant sage
bear
100%
ears and snout are explicit enough to see a bear instead of a dog
- skull shape
errant tusk
its supposed to be a bear i think
severe sail
I know its supposed to be a bear, but the thin neck makes it look more doglike to me
vital pollen
Not sure if dadsen is the best judge of bear vs dog. 
severe sail
Dota
buoyant sage
severe sail
Figured it is easier if we just keep a single thread. If it gets archived again ping me or another mod and we can unarchive it
buoyant sage
yeh thats fair
buoyant sage
DPC WEU Tour 2 let's goo
https://www.twitch.tv/dreamleague
buoyant sage
tender fox
i dont understand how ppl got visa issues to sthlm or was it only russian players?
buoyant sage
Misha had visa issues yeh, Idk about other russian players
I know that Ephey couldnt make it too
got her visa refused
tender fox
pretty sure they can go here on "vacay" and dont "work"
with 0 checks
they pay the orgs anyway
or maybe not in caster cases but yeah
distant yoke
i dont understand how ppl got visa issues to sthlm or was it only russian player...
the result of far right propaganda
for many years
"make it harder to get into Sweden"
and now ppl are surprised
tender fox
i mean its only cus its work visa right otherwise there would be 0 checks
and its not rly whats have been pushed in politics
distant yoke
i dont think regular russian citizens can travel to sweden willy-nilly atm
distant yoke
and mira is from the middle east
distant yoke
idk its just politics
we have lots and lots of esport businesses, but for some reason being an esports player isnt considered legitimate
buoyant sage
that actually blows my mind
so many good players from diff games are Swedish
big esports events, big organisations
etc.. feels weird
I'd pay a lot to have half of your esport culture in france
even tho we arent that late in that domain
distant yoke
that actually blows my mind
idk what it is about tbh
buoyant sage
seeing Jerax in EG man 
tender fox
oh there are actually a lot of ruskis in the event
buoyant sage
yeh, esp when video games and particularly esports is bankable
tender fox
weird some didnt get in then
distant yoke
perhaps there's some issues with their visas in general
out of date
talking about gamers after all
seems kinda dumb, but you never know
errant tusk
yea that's the case i think
some had valid visas before war started and some just didnt have it at all
tender fox
can watch eg any patch any year
still same hero puddle
and picks
still amazed how bulba is still coach and drafter since they always get heavily outdrafted and shit when they go out of tourneys
errant tusk
not like tundra is drafting differently
33 is literally on same hero every time
skiter also alwayts on wk
tender fox
Seen as a nice guy, has a lot of influence in NA dota
thought bulba was in the esport #meetoo and dead maybe im remembering things wrong
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/hfi2sm/power_abuse_in_nadota_bulba_by_ryuudota/ oh was this but came at the same time
buoyant sage
oh no theres another stream with OG vs BC
https://www.twitch.tv/esl_dota2b
distant yoke
But prob isnt
buoyant sage
I need a third monitor
tender fox
eg 
buoyant sage
it really feels like they are playing 4v5 all game, mostly due to picks
and rtz farms opposite side
every single game
errant tusk
na dota focuses on winning lanes
they lost lanes
sand king losing lanes = very bad
errant tusk
its not, but its na style to focus on winning lanes and they failed to do so
buoyant sage
ye I just dont like this playstyle
errant tusk
also losing lanes as some heroes means you cant comeback
sand king is rly bad to play if you lost lane because you play 3v5 if enemies decide to grp up
they also had furion 4 that didnt do anything besides a little bit of rat
buoyant sage
yes I switched on OG vs BC game 2
errant tusk
mk mars
is a very unfortunate combo
its so easy to cut your mk down with arena as it cuts trees in 2k radius because dota skills
buoyant sage
truuue
errant tusk
i hate mars
buoyant sage
but it also can be deadly if well executed
buoyant sage
yeh you cant lose your lane basically 
errant tusk
complete toolkit
theo nly weakness is low armour that you fix by buying phase boots/soul ring
or helm of iron will or w/e its called
the 6 regen/5 armour item for 975 gold
this og draft looks beast af
buoyant sage
yeh he profits from everything and then pops out mid game
errant tusk
they even get kotl last pick wtf
buoyant sage
kinda greedy
tender fox
eg storm again
buoyant sage
somehow I always have a bad vibe when the coach is drafting, instead of the captain
feels weird idk
tender fox
twitch chat is all just mocking eg picks 24/7
tender fox
jerax sitting there questioning his life choices
buoyant sage
bet he does
errant tusk
i know eg is trash
but
how is this normal
this is so degenerate
you'd rather spend 1200 gold or 1600 or w/e price is for blessing
and have null in your eq
buoyant sage
I saw boxi playing storm pos 4 like that the other day
on his stream
but this is abed right
errant tusk
yea its abed
vital pollen
we have lots and lots of esport businesses, but for some reason being an esports...
psure that is no longer the case
didnt they amend that like last year?
errant tusk
psure that is no longer the case
i could see esports not being treated seriously in some places tbh
vital pollen
oh for sure, but sweden specifically amended their legislation for it iirc
cause it was lobbied a bit after they initially didnt include it in the legalese, but the csgo major was around the corner last year so they tried to push it, and i think i remember them amending things after
and after that news, this stockholm major was announced too
vital pollen
ye
what is that og draft tho
what was their plan on pressuring the TA?
have wyvern and nyx run at her?
vital pollen
ye
lmao those t3 items tho
for boom
dunno what that riki is waiting for tho
3people on the TA and he just waits until the TA is drained dry
they still take the fight but meh
tender fox
he killed supports
vital pollen
20sec later, yeah
he couldve taken both supports out while the razor+kunkka were on the TA already
they split up super hard, with ta/kunkka/razor being downhill on the topleft, and the supports were still stuck downhill on the rosh-side
and then he blinkstrikes a core first
only reason they lost that fight was cause they had no one standing up hill anymore and had 0 vision because of that
otherwise the wyvern gets an ult off there
tender fox
think he just wasnt there why i dunno, and he blinkstriked to finish razor who had taken all ta's dmg
vital pollen
but yeah dunno, they just completely lack initiation
sk is kinda of a bad initiator
more of a counter initiator, same as wyvern and nyx
meanwhile mars is making the game for boom
tender fox
sleepin darts can set up pretty nice
errant tusk
this mars is my typical pub mars player
miss all spears
still more impact than all other offlaners
vital pollen
yeah
that arena
was just so big
to force BKBs
but they didnt want to
he has good lotus quickcasts tho
thats what i meant with the initiation issues
the only hero they have for it
lotus just completely counters it
errant tusk
razor is too behind
errant tusk
kotl/ta/mars so many heroes i hate in one team
kotl is probably gonna be most contested pick this tournament
actually so strong
errant tusk
its not even lane that is issue
i think what they should nerf is less slow/less dmg multiplier
on the w
vital pollen
well kinda is, when you ahve a razor safelane you wanna pressure hard
cant do that cuz spear
errant tusk
oh you mean mars
vital pollen
ye
errant tusk
like give him 53 base dmg
his armour is kinda low
but you fix it with 1st 2 items you buy
only 3 or 4 base armour
vital pollen
what the fuck is that music
errant tusk
idk i watch on gorgc stream
errant tusk
timber is sooo snowbally
if you dont win lane as timber
you kinda lost the game
hero has little comeback mechanisms
unless you get huge stacks on triangle
but at that point just play bristleback 3
errant tusk
yea mars doesnt need to win lane
you're still useful
i think rly good hero that actually shits on mars is ck
ck is op i'd say
or rly strong
but think not many people mind it as ck has never ever been good
also you can protect yourself from ck with ghost scepter/force staff/glimmer
and he got nerfed a bit and these were very fair nerfs
vital pollen
ye
errant tusk
coz all necro brains think they're immortal
and then they die 5 times before level 3
vital pollen
especially with a follow up or harrassing 5
smth like a willow or squirrel
still think OG wouldve had a good game if they had a 3 that could roam and initiate better
errant tusk
think its stylistic
vital pollen
but theres no kill potential on an sk
errant tusk
he just likes razor
vital pollen
as an initiator
and the nyx felt very lackluster in general
i see why its good on paper against kotl
but beyond that, the hero doesnt do shit
you can carapace illuminate. cool.
but then kotl counters manaburn
can shove you after initiating
and youre useless against his ult
errant tusk
i wonder if them not having their usual 5 but have ceb instead is a buff
or worse
has to be buff
ceb is like most valuable player in dota i wanna say
from watching the true sights stuff
sure he isnt most mechanically skilled but the stuff he does outside the game is so big
vital pollen
nah you could feel the ceb presence in this game imo
they never had a bad fight
they lost them still, but they were never caught off guard or just lost individual people somewhere on the map
against a ta/ricky/mars
the only bad fight they had was the one in radiant triangle, cause they had no vision up there
but they thought theyd get the treant
so cnat really blame them
already liking this og draft a lot more
vital pollen
sadly not a good clock game
with spec/razor/jakiro/storm
but doesnt matter
i guess with jakirop its fine
but the other heroes all wanna go in themselves
so the clock doesnt do much in terms of initiation or disrupting
buoyant sage
yeh it's a hard game for clock, just my infinite love for that hero speaking
vital pollen
but its also just cause theyre winning already
think if boom wouldve had a good game
the clock would be a lot more valuable
buoyant sage
clock can be a good nuisance to mars actually
but if you're too behind and no force staff it gets hard
lately I really surprised myself buying more force staff on this patch
latest patch was more euls
idk
vital pollen
ngl, im glad that people are playing razor more again
when i played it in our stack i was laughed at
for playing razor 1
and now its been meta for almost a year
even though they giga nerfed his ult
imagine if razor still had the passive aoe on his ult
hero would be broken 
buoyant sage
razor good I like that hero
and yeh it's very good rn
the passive changed a lot iirc im not even sure what it does now
still slows you?
vital pollen
nah thats only with shard
his passive is still only movespeed
but yeah, with shard you get a sort of axe-counter when youre attacked
same proc-rate too, 18%
speeds up farming a fair amount
and alwyas procs when a targeted spell is cast on you
vital pollen
i mean was nice for farming
buoyant sage
lmao ye right
vital pollen
and without it people said the hero jsut doesnt farm enough
to be played as 1 anymore
and then people eventually figured out, hero is still good
especially against all these annoying as fuck offlaners
like, back then youd have the underlord/tide/mars offlane shit
razor was just very good there
buoyant sage
yeh I think hes not in a bad spot, plasma field is still short cd/good dmg to farm
vital pollen
against tide/pitlord in particular
yeah
i mean people didnt wake up to falcon blade until later
when people started playing falcon blade more, a lot of heroes were viable as pos1 now
cause they were able to spell farm
vital pollen
yeah definitely
but razor was just one of those heroes that couldnt get bullied out of lane
which is why i liked playing it
cause our stack had a fairly mediocre pos5 that was really passive, so any melee carry taht needed farm was almost impossible to play
but razor just did razor things
tender fox
Perfect draft, player probs
errant tusk
they dont lose just because of drafts
buoyant sage
this is exactly we say with my mates every time we see him
cant be at less than 300m from schools
distant yoke
kinda confused why mira couldnt go
she has been in stockholm for the entire dreamleague season?
stayed for too long?
buoyant sage
yeh, and then her visa got refused
distant yoke
buoyant sage
distant yoke
its 6 months right
buoyant sage
distant yoke
hot
buoyant sage
your Finnish neighbour 
tender fox
what happend to these guys
tender fox
buoyant sage
vital pollen
well that was one insanely well played teamfight
vital pollen
hmye but no refresher back up yet etc.
was an easy fight to take for EG
razor ac now tho
once he hits 25
those teamfights will be rough for EG
tunic as well now
surprised he doesnt have shard yet on razor
double eye of the storm 
refresher shard now as well
welp
razor too greedy
eye was on like 6sec cd and he didnt wanna use refresher to start off the fight before he could get double eye
but then his team was already dead
versed matrix
any EG fangirls? 
errant tusk
tender fox
think eg need new players that can handle bulba diversity drafts
vital pollen
they just need to get rid of bulba
the man is smart as fuck, but dont let him draft please
his understanding of dota is great, but he lacks the understanding of what the players in his team can and cannot do
severe sail
Mid KOTL is something
versed matrix
EG washed up
buoyant sage
buoyant sage
distant yoke
cant believe EG didnt even make it to the playoffs
buoyant sage
yeh it's terrible
Thunder Awaken stronk tho
WB on going, Tundra won 2-1 vs Team Spirit earlier
distant yoke
oh
i thought they would do the playoffs on stage
but i guess thats only for parts of it
so i get to watch lower bracket from round 2
and the upper bracket finals
might not even get to see "team sweden"
buoyant sage
yeh I thought so too but there would be too many bo even over a weekend
buoyant sage
Idk they got surprised tbh
teams like thunder awakend, bet boom are very strong
they play very good dota in draft and in game
buoyant sage
yeh
I watched all matches and it was a dota lesson from team spirit
they obliterated Liquid
TI vibe
damn what a game
versed matrix
liquid looking quite shite
versed matrix
what a throw by the monkey
distant yoke
Lets go OG
tender fox
there live 
vital pollen
crazy fight
you play against OG. you do not ban windrunner because you think you can beat it. you lose against OG.
versed matrix
not a fan of that centaur
distant yoke
Man what a sick game
distant yoke
Ye
buoyant sage
Not sure, couldn't watch a lot
distant yoke
Was 20-1 at some point to Fnatic
versed matrix
insane game ye
vital pollen
distant yoke
How so about the favoritism, you were talking about ppl cheering?
Ye it was 100% og in here
buoyant sage
Insane
Hope you're having a blast my dude
I dream of it
I'd wish they do TI in EU again this year
versed matrix
I mean its in EU and nobody cares about SA teams
buoyant sage
SA teams showed insane Dota the whole tournament so far
Ppl care about SA teams, like you said it's EU
versed matrix
people do care but never more than about EU
buoyant sage
FNATIC have a SEA roster btw
buoyant sage
That finals intro was awesome, ESL showing Valve how to do a esport event, once again
wide geode
versed matrix
the teams are based in NA but EG and TSM have 3 na players combined
NA players washed
distant yoke
great major, all fun times, great to see the pros in dota being "regular people" just walking about, casually grabbing beers in the bar with their own buddies etc. Nothing alike regular sports. Arena wasnt sold out, not a big shocker with Sweden being more interested in CSGO and there was a major for them at the same time. But if i had to pin it down to a single reason why that is, it's probably because there was literally 0 marketing done in Stockholm or Sweden in general. Really weird decision to not have big flags, big posters or anything close to the arena. You wouldnt know the venue was hosting a dota major unless you're already a dota nerd that watches ESL streams on Twitch.. Missed opportunity
Felt like a huge part of the crowd was actually ppl that came from all over the world, prob because not a lot of swedes knew this event was even happening.
vital pollen
hope you had a great time
distant yoke
Ye it was fun, loved watching dota live. Would have prefer closer grand final games
but the game 3 of the grand final and the deciding game between OG vs Fnatic was kinda insane hypewise
buoyant sage
nice to have your point of view, dota esport ecosystem feels like a lot of missed opportunities esp towards Valve
but I thank ESL anyway cause they always have good production value and it's a renowned organisation
dont know if you saw but TI 11 is in Singapore
distant yoke
ye they talked about it in the arena too
buoyant sage
Im sad cause I wanted it in EU but it's very nice for the SEA community
distant yoke
i also enjoyed the mexican waves (think its called that) the crowd did during the grand finals
buoyant sage
really looking forward going to that event at least once in my lifetime
distant yoke
think it was teaguvs british drunk friends that started to shout random things during the finals and wanted it
distant yoke
surprised at the amount of drunk ppl in general i thought it would be a nerd heavy event but ppl were like smashed and idk, just vibing in general
vital pollen
nice to have your point of view, dota esport ecosystem feels like a lot of misse...
renowned for being dogshit?
buoyant sage
distant yoke
i think they did very good with everything except the marketing, first day going there it was hard to know where it was cus there was literally 0 signs
flags
posters
vital pollen
they typically save money on the players and orgs
for the fans/viewers its always great
but they also ran tourneys that only lasted 2days with bo3 finals or no lower bracket, had shitty chairs/hotel rooms/training areas etc.
distant yoke
the prices were very good too, considering the PGL major in texas is gonna be what a premium ticket was for this event baseline
vital pollen
and ill always hate them
for signing a deal with riot that actively forbade them from ruining dota tournaments at the same event as LoL during IEM
but riot was paying well
so they didnt give a shit
distant yoke
are they out of that deal now
vital pollen
also the lovely facebook streaming deal
distant yoke
or something
vital pollen
nah
it was during the early days of dota2 where they couldve helped the game grow a lot
but it wasnt "big enough" yet to run its own tourneys
or well, they didnt want to
so they wouldve had to run them alongside the other big titles like csgo, lol etc. but riot didnt want competition so they paid ESL a lot of money to not have dota at the events
distant yoke
ye i heard about that
buoyant sage
it's really not ESL fault if dota isnt as popular as league, it's only on Valve that dont give a single fuck about the game
they said it themselves, they dev games, they dont do esport
they are trapped with TI
vital pollen
theyre a business, i cant blame them for making a business decision, but it was still really shitty how they abandoned the game for years until it was big enough to be profitable
nah, that wasnt the reason abck then
dota had a lot more going for it
buoyant sage
Valve is the only responsible
vital pollen
custom tournaments and sets
every TO could make their own compendium
people would buy tickets for a tournament just to own the set that came with it
vital pollen
ESL is a shitty company
buoyant sage
ok
vital pollen
theyre in it for the money
first and foremost
caring about esports is like priority 3 or 4
distant yoke
i must say it really felt like cheating, the way OG had the crowd on their side for the most part. Think like 80% of the ppl in the crowd wanted them to win
distant yoke
and in some games felt like the intentionally didnt cheer for the other teams kills to not give them momentum and shit
vital pollen
i also think theyve improved a lot over the years
vital pollen
think they learned their lesson after signing the facebook streaming deal
which was a big onetime payment but obviously it was garbage for basically everybody involved, and they couldnt get out of it. kinda like blizzard with the youtube streaming thing
vital pollen
they improved things quite a bit while they had the ESL contract
cause ESL was basically running its tournaments at small profits, barely enough to finance the next one
dunno if that was due to poor management, or just paying themselves salaries that were too high, or someone yoinking a bunch of profits for themselves
but for the company that basically had a monopoly in esports, with only MLG existing next to them (and being dwarfed by ESLs influence), youd expect them to not have to worry about money as much
ESL had all the early blizzard contracts, i mean like early WoW, WC3/ SC2 etc.
but yeah rn, id take ESL over PGL any day
kinda missing new big TOs for dota. epicenter was always great from what ive been told by players and talent
dunno who else is evne out there at this point
garena?
dreamhack and redbull i guess, but none of them do massive events that fill stadiums. esl/pgl kind of got all those gigs
distant yoke
idk whats bad about PGL
vital pollen
their production is typically pretty bad
lots of technical issues
you always have some, but they always have a lot
distant yoke
was about to mention their prices
like they are going to charge 200 dollars for the 3 day event in texas
0 other options
no cheap tickets
kinda weird
PGL hosted the CSGO major, did it have massive issues?
unfortunately couldnt watch much
vital pollen
didnt watch much either
versed matrix
how much were the tickets in stockholm?
the way I found out there was a major going was that ESL sent me an email and I saw the notification
I have been loosely following lately, TI some of the majors, sometimes I catch dpc
was raiding in lost ark and only saw first 2 games of the final
distant yoke
how much were the tickets in stockholm?
me and my friends got the plus tickets, which were around 150 euros ish
regular ones cost 100 iirc
versed matrix
nigma balls
distant yoke
jerax was removed from EG too
tender fox
not /gquit ?
versed matrix
liquipedia says nothing so idk
vital pollen
errant tusk
i bet what happened
jerax didnt agree how to do stuff/play stuff and they just removed him
at least according to ceb when he was on stream casting some games with qojqva jerax is very vocal apparently
probably someone didnt like it
buoyant sage
he probably said "can I draft next game?" after bulba picked storm for the 154th time
felt weird to see him there anyway
errant tusk
errant tusk
he couldnt swap teams because of team locks for seasons
errant tusk
and he joined some project which couldnt work becuase of some covid garbage
errant tusk
doubt
buoyant sage
errant tusk
more of rtz didnt like him if anything xddd
they decided they will build team around rtz when they had the sumail + rtz shuffles
errant tusk
coz they build team around nisha
also sth had to change
you cant be secret and not qual major
tender fox
ye gorp pos1 inc, puppey casted major with him
tender fox
also puppey punching monitors dont scare opponents enough anymore, need something on the level of matu beard
vital pollen
matu beard is only scary if youre a father
vital pollen
dude
buoyant sage
vital pollen
it took them almost a full year
tender fox
poe approach for next dota patch
vital pollen
to give us the "patch" they came up with
vital pollen
idk
errant tusk
they buffed jungle creeps
vital pollen
on that pic
vital pollen
tender fox
im sure they can get anyone outside of na also
ppl tend to wanna move to murica and eg got the monies
vital pollen
itd have to be someone willing/able to relocate to the US tho
im sure they got the monies, i doubt they have the state department connections
to get you a greencard for playing videogames. not even playing, coaching.
and with how volatile the scene is, i doubt that people would just uproot and leave family etc. behind to be coach for EG and get kicked again after 3months and have their greencard expire due to lack of employment
vital pollen
fuck nahaz
mr "lemme throw in some completely random stats with no context or analysis"
tender fox
it was a joke
but i mean ppd/kyle or someone
but i guess ppd maybe aint on best terms with eg
vital pollen
isnt he part-owner?
tender fox
he was at least
vital pollen
ye
tender fox
but then he jsut left and coachec alliance and shit
but they are a sister org so dunno
vital pollen
alliance is a sub-division of EG tho
tender fox
versed matrix
last time I watched dota for a bit nigma and secret were kinda good
guess the roster swaps didnt do them any favors
distant yoke
Also just boomers playing old style of dota
tender fox
so back to same team
vital pollen
guess they had to find a way for 100 DPC puppey to still be at every single TI ever
vital pollen
i like that the complaint was that too much emphasis is on TI
and now we get this
dunno, overall it feels like the scene is so volatile atm
with teams winning or being major finalists
buoyant sage
vital pollen
that, at least to me, feel like they shouldnt be there
most of the topteams from a year ago are just hardstruggling atm, its just weird
buoyant sage
ye all esports actors and content creators are at l'Elysée today to talk about esports in france
actually very nice, first time it happens ever
distant yoke
more support to grassroots esport 
buoyant sage
we hope 
vital pollen
thats pretty pog
errant tusk
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what is that about?
is it dota only?
or just esports in general
distant yoke
dadsens response makes it seem to be about all esports
buoyant sage
yeh it's a celebration about esport in general
theres a trackmania cup this weekend organized by one of the most followed french streamer, so they took the opportunity to invite everyone and have a talk
it's the first time ever so it's more like a "let's meet and know each other"
buoyant sage
wish I had some video with subtitles to show because it's interesting, every french top player/team owner from every major games get to speak and open the dialogue
to move forward about a pro player status and such
but Macron apparently said "we're going to do everything in our power to organize the International in France within my 5-year mandate"
hope it will be possible
vital pollen
is it televised?
buoyant sage
no subtitles :/
yet
I hope it will be set up
Ceb talks so well
very cool, very surprised too
in a good way
tender fox
did he present himself as fucking mad
buoyant sage
willingly
buoyant sage
DPC EU tour 3 starts today btw
distant yoke
buoyant sage
errant tusk
new patch 
vital pollen
why do i have to pay
to not be forced to play with human garbage
nice bkb nerf
good patch
buoyant sage
vital pollen
vital pollen
Not sure how i should feel about you playing monkey and morph so much
buoyant sage
I am 100% with Seli on this
buoyant sage
buoyant sage
Tundra - OG rn
https://www.twitch.tv/dreamleague
buoyant sage
tender fox
buoyant sage
tender fox
not a major right? independant tourney but yeah they are super bad and still get invite
prolly kelly contacts in sea
versed matrix
looks like their good players went to goonsquad
tender fox
kicked into goon squad
vital pollen
not a major right? independant tourney but yeah they are super bad and still get...
arlington is a major
and they have 8 invites to hand out, worldwide, and give alliance one who havent won a single game
tender fox
they are not invited there only 4 teams so far waht i can see?
they are to esl malaysia though
tender fox
but yeah ppl were still raging and roasting alliance i saw
vital pollen
and so was i for believing him
tender fox
its 100% kelly behind the scenes getting an invite
cus even if allaince maybe was a strong brand before nobody care about any of their players atm
so not even fanbase is justified at this point
vital pollen
hmye
might just be another ESL thing
invite alliance cause controversy and many fans
over inviting the highest ranked teams that might not be viewed by as many people
tender fox
was a reddit thread that showed they still were super low compared to other div1 teams
in viewership
so dont een ahve that going for them anymore
but yeah esl can do w/e for their tourney
tender fox
Now nigma got invited
distant yoke
chinese player being interviewed
the interviewer just asking some very complex questions in english, poor guy
tender fox
actually nice oil money prizepool
tender fox
how did xiao8 drama with betting/gf end
vital pollen
like most internal police investigations in the US
"we found no evidence of wrongdoing"
but like, it wasnt just an internal investigation by psg.lgd, they had the actual police involved since that kind of sports betting is an actual crime
and they also concluded that there was nothing shady going on
tender fox
distant yoke
secret slamming