Dota

[errant tusk]

like i usually lose/break even vs mars but then these people just die/give away so much

[torn girder]

Hes really hard to execute past lane unironically

[errant tusk]

ye

if you have great lane and are worth a lot/possibly top networth if you give away it on some stupid play you give away a lot too

[torn girder]

But ye the hero can build like any item and at becomes self sufficient pretty early in lane enabling 4 to fuck around elsewhere

Really strong

• forces the pos 1 to pick specific heroes that can get out of arena

Or at least want to pick them

[errant tusk]

it combos well with many heroes too

the arena

[torn girder]

For sure

[errant tusk]

like phoenix/dark willow

[torn girder]

I think mars + snap might be one of the best lanes in game rn

[errant tusk]

snap too yea

[torn girder]

That lane kills anything

[errant tusk]

spear is such a long stun too

[torn girder]

So much fucking damage

Cookie -> spear -> blast+shredder -> bulwark

Idk how you survive

[buoyant sage]

you don't

you just use your tp back to your tower

[torn girder]

Tbf snap basically makes every lane a kill lane

Shes probably on chopping block next patch again

[errant tusk]

snap + most melees is good

gap close with stun

and -armour

[torn girder]

Ye the built in force staff on cookie is gross

[errant tusk]

i like playing with snap because i like picking faceless void

and its just good ult to combine with

[torn girder]

Ye

[vital pollen]

sebbe used to be a pos3 enjoyer

now hes a safelane virgin

[errant tusk]

idk i play pos3 sometimes

i play timber/mars/pugna/necro

on off

[torn girder]

Are you a pos 1 TA enjoyer

[errant tusk]

nah i never liked TA

but my friend plays it

its really good

so i play with it from time to time

it farms really fast and hits fast power spike

forces rosh

but i think you kinda wanna get good objectives/big advantage at around 20-30 minutes

with rosh etc

[errant tusk]

why flame

[tender fox]

you should play good heroes on pos3

like zeus, qop and storm

[errant tusk]

qop isnt even troll on pos3

because hero is just op rn

overtuned

[errant tusk]

they're playing my strat

[vital pollen]

@errant tusk saddest part will be

when you hit immortal

you cant play with anyone below div2 rank anymore

[errant tusk]

div1 i think

but yea

true

[vital pollen]

its like

5.3k mmr

that you can play with

anything below you cant

[errant tusk]

NO WAY

ops

im 5,4k and im divine 5

5,480

[vital pollen]

idk

maybe its lower now

4.9k maybe?

[errant tusk]

any dpc enjoyers

@vital pollen @buoyant sage

[vital pollen]

any dota inviters?

havent watched much yet im afraid

waiting for big patch

[errant tusk]

you know i play only

[vital pollen]

cuz meta sucks

[errant tusk]

big polski stacks

[vital pollen]

yeah but

[errant tusk]

what do you not like about meta

[vital pollen]

i used to get invited sometimes

[errant tusk]

sure tinker/space cow/od are annoying

but in 2 weeks people just gonna recycle other stuff

like dp from 5/4/3 is back again

[vital pollen]

http://puu.sh/IBZ3d/311099a6a7.png

that meta

[errant tusk]

ye im private profile

i cba

[vital pollen]

like

[errant tusk]

i like playing morph

[vital pollen]

morph, sb, od, void, qop

[errant tusk]

im gonna spam what i enjoy playing

[vital pollen]

morph is super fun

to play

[errant tusk]

i enjoy it

[vital pollen]

its painful to play against

[errant tusk]

and its like slark

you just gamble every time

[vital pollen]

especially as a support

[torn girder]

Seli has taken 1 too many shotguns to the mouth

[errant tusk]

whether you get the morph

the shift*

[vital pollen]

yeah

[errant tusk]

or the slarks q

dark pact

its just gambling

[vital pollen]

its a high skill hero

[errant tusk]

for me

i like it

[vital pollen]

to play well and not die a lot/feed

[errant tusk]

im not even good at the hero

i improved a lot

[vital pollen]

but as someone who has to play against it

its just pain

[errant tusk]

its not that strong on lane i think

unless you pick for it

if you pick undying or marci or aba

yea its hard

[vital pollen]

its definitely better to lane against than mid morph was

[errant tusk]

mid morph doesnt happen

ever

[vital pollen]

it used to be the meta

not anymore

[errant tusk]

i play mid morph because i play 5 stacks when im against like ember spirit

and its just easy af matchup

i get 40 denys

and he cant do shit

literally hardcountered

[vital pollen]

safelane morph is just sad to play against cause its a hero that only needs a morbid mask to stay in lane

unless you have lots of burst

[errant tusk]

there is very many strong lanes

on offlane

like you have hard time playing against od

but i dont think there is a lane that has good time against od

maybe nyx assassin lane

[vital pollen]

yeah but at least you know you do damage when you harrass. against morph a non-kill usually just means you wasted mana

[errant tusk]

you dont have infinite mana either

[vital pollen]

which is a moment

[errant tusk]

also you lose to basic mars lane

as morph

[vital pollen]

and then morph turns on you with 20% hp

and you cant kill him

[errant tusk]

you dont have to kill him

[vital pollen]

but yeah, i didnt mean to make fun of your picks or anything

[errant tusk]

to ruin his lane

you need to go aggro on him early

like level 1/2

you're giga weak

[vital pollen]

im just saying that playing with a morph is big fun, playing morph yourself is bigger fun, playing against morph is pain

[errant tusk]

and you dont wanna press shift

because you gonna hit 0 lasthits

[vital pollen]

ye

[errant tusk]

that hero has literally 40 base dmg lvl 1

[vital pollen]

but GL trying to get the random dude in your pub to understand that

[errant tusk]

yea ofc

but when i play against lane like

marci + nightstalker

[vital pollen]

[errant tusk]

wtf do you do

he just jumps on you with dispose

into void

lose 400 hp

[vital pollen]

but yeah idk

theres just

lots of mobile heroes that are meta rn

i never liked that. means positioning is less important for these heroes

[errant tusk]

i dont know why so many heroes are so speedy

marci has huge jum,p

310 ms

meanwhile mirana has dogshit leaps that have infinite cd

280 ms

[vital pollen]

yeah

i feel a lot of supports suffer from that

cause youre sitting there as a 280 or 290ms support

[errant tusk]

look at lane marci + dawnbreaker

[vital pollen]

and youre so easily engaged on

[errant tusk]

that lane is actually so op

i dont think any regular carry + hard support lane can stand that

you just get shit on

[vital pollen]

with longrange initiation skills or heroes that have 20ms on you

[errant tusk]

dawnbreaker was literally strongest level 2 in the game

till they added marci

[vital pollen]

its a bit concerning imo

[errant tusk]

even tho i didnt play i heard its a theme, they add new heroes and they're overtuned

and every smaller or bigger patch they just get -1 base attack

[vital pollen]

that these melee heroes trade so well at little risk

[errant tusk]

-0.2 stat gains

etc

like mars had that too i heard

[vital pollen]

nah

mars was meh

[errant tusk]

but for example look at void spirit

[vital pollen]

only other super broken heroes on release

[errant tusk]

why is void spirit

so good on lane

[vital pollen]

were phoenix/earthspirit

[errant tusk]

i dont uderstand

he has super big base dmg

• best attack animation i think

[vital pollen]

yeah

[errant tusk]

they should nerf laning of so many heroes imo

[vital pollen]

i question my life everytime i have to lasthit against a jugg

why does he get 2 attacks off to deny a creep before i finish 1 full swing

[errant tusk]

i played lesh against qop and i landed stun on every qops attempt to dagger me

she still gets it on me

but dagger just heals her

doesnt matter

[vital pollen]

ye that dagger heal is so ridiculous

dunno why they added that

[errant tusk]

its like having perma tango regen on

[vital pollen]

before you had like

a meaningful choice

[errant tusk]

• you always get 1-2 hits off

[vital pollen]

skill dagger to harrass or skill scream to farm

[errant tusk]

like lesh laning is so dogshit for example

[vital pollen]

now its an obvious choice

[errant tusk]

he is nerfed to oblivion

[vital pollen]

skill dagger cause you dominate lane

[errant tusk]

his right clicks are so weak

[vital pollen]

yeah i mean

[errant tusk]

meanwhile qop or void spirit are there

with so high base damage

[vital pollen]

he was really damn strong for a long time tho

[errant tusk]

• great sustain

[vital pollen]

so its kinda understandable

[errant tusk]

yea

[vital pollen]

qop wasnt in the meta for a long time

same as puck

[errant tusk]

they nerfed his E tho

a lot

[vital pollen]

so now theyre kinda

too good

[errant tusk]

it was super easy to press lightning strike into stun

jump range of bolts was better

slow was longer

just everything was better

its nerfed to oblivion tho

[vital pollen]

hmye

rip discopony

[errant tusk]

he is kinda bad yea

you are forced into gameplay that is punished by od/bara

[vital pollen]

but yeah, definitely seems like the new generation of heroes suits itself much better to smth like pos4

than a lot of the old supports

[errant tusk]

becasue you must play splitpush with travels

[vital pollen]

reworked or new heroes are just a bit better than the non-reworked ones

[errant tusk]

he still does insane damage

[vital pollen]

when you used to play stuff like sk/shaker/lina etc. as pos4

and now its just

[errant tusk]

but i rarely ever pick him even tho he is one of my best winrate heroes

[vital pollen]

ns, dp, marci, clock, mk

clock like the only heroes that still works like it used to

and can be solid 4 imo

the rest are largely new heroes

that have some weird gimmick ability that is too powerful

dunno why monkey is allowed to trade well with ranged heroes

[errant tusk]

ye mks w is strong with setup

slow + big damage and you have orb of venom

oh and also you dont need boots as mk

for a very long time

[buoyant sage]

ye I watched all matches today so far

wait no, I didnt see the end of liquid nigma

who won

jenkins and sunsfan is comedy

[errant tusk]

nigma 2-1

[buoyant sage]

aye

[tender fox]

[buoyant sage]

Valve can suck a gigantic wood pole seriously

https://esports.gg/news/dota-2/dota-2-major-2022-canceled/

[distant yoke]

Yea fuck valve

[buoyant sage]

"hey pro players, remember the league y'all fighting for, yeh DPC. Just so you know, your points are useless because I cancel the tourney instead of putting enough ressources to create a secured LAN environment, or handle the event online because we dont fucking care about our game"

[distant yoke]

Said it during TI and will say it again, a real company should take over dota. The fans is what makes this game what it is. Valve is a steaming pile of shit that does the bare minimum. It deserves so much more

[buoyant sage]

Well Im literally shitting on Valves face for 5 years now

and the 3 last years were the WORST

ffs

[distant yoke]

Ye i quit this game way back when because there is no support for it

Passion project by icefrog to keep updates coming

Rest can suck one

To think there is a game with worse support than wow

And i play it, actually nuts

[buoyant sage]

yeh

just makes me sad and angry at the same time

it's horrible, I cant imagine the players

who tried hard their shit

[distant yoke]

I get mostly angry, cus fuck the lack of communication and interest from valve, all they do is release expensive god damn skins

[buoyant sage]

and battle pass

and dota+ ads

fuck em

[distant yoke]

Some other company should hire icefrog

Make a new dota

3.0

The community will follow the frog

[buoyant sage]

yeh Idk I only feel despair in me when I see that

and how Riot produces value over league & cie

for fuck sake

[distant yoke]

How can they just cancel a major

So fucking lazy

[buoyant sage]

it's exactly laziness at its finest

they literally dont care about the game

literally

[distant yoke]

They just want the money, fuck the effort or making use of the money..

Game plays itself anyway, why make frequent updates

[buoyant sage]

[errant tusk]

people hate frequent updates in league aswell

you cant win

but yea updates are too rare now in dota

[torn girder]

Frequent updates in league are good

Bcuz the game is giga simplistic

[distant yoke]

It doesnt have to be even monthly updates

But anything from Valve would be appreciated

I would dare say that most of the money they make from TI is put into future Battlepass external contracts for skins

To make even more money

The most greedy piece of shit company on the market

[torn girder]

Monthly updates would be too frequent as well

[distant yoke]

Yea I agree

[errant tusk]

we have this patch since april i think

[torn girder]

Im talking major patch

[errant tusk]

so its 9 months

last major patch was when they added dawnbreaker

[torn girder]

Ye

[distant yoke]

Covid excuses

Nah everytime I get back to playing Dota it doesn’t take long before I understand why I never remain in the game.

Fuck Valve

[errant tusk]

i wonder

when new battlepass level rewards

im so glad i didnt buy shit for this battle pass

dogshit rewards

and dogshit company

[distant yoke]

Too much greed and too little effort

Spoiled by the generous dota community

Actually sad to see how many ppl love this game, only for the owners to discard it like this

[errant tusk]

rofl

1st thread on reddit i see

ye there is gonna be some fire at valve

[distant yoke]

I hope the pro scene dies

Crowdfund a new dota

[torn girder]

Its not just gonna die lol

[errant tusk]

it cant die

[tender fox]

you gotta stop spending a monthly salary on ur passes push, you are the problem

[errant tusk]

it will live because ti will happen

[torn girder]

Its also many of these peoples livelihood

[distant yoke]

Just need a collective enough is enough attitude

Towards TI

[torn girder]

Probably wont happen

[distant yoke]

Valve puts what, 3 mil into it themselves

40 mil raised by the community

Which is just 20% of their total earnings or something

[errant tusk]

ye 20 or 25

not sure

[distant yoke]

Where. Is. The. Money

[tender fox]

the hotel room they gave team spirit prolly ate half of it

[distant yoke]

Swear that room was like

50 dollar/night

If even that

Shameful

[torn girder]

Weird that companies are still using the covid copout

[distant yoke]

Only done it once, and it was for the qop arcana more or less

[buoyant sage]

why are we talking about patches?

tho

[errant tusk]

coz they never happen either

[buoyant sage]

we're talking about Valve being gigantic pile of shit

it's not about patches here

[distant yoke]

It’s all part of it

[errant tusk]

ye

no patches is part of valve being shit

[distant yoke]

The lack of updates, communication and ambition is fucking miserable for this game

[buoyant sage]

they do everything wrong basically

so yeh

[distant yoke]

Considering the amount of money they make from just hiring a few external contractors for each battlepass and the chest items are prob passion projects by community members that got into art design for dota

The question has to be, where is the money

[torn girder]

Its what happens when a game gets a hardcore audience that loves the game

The devs don’t feel like they have to do anything to make money

[buoyant sage]

or

they are just morons

who dont care

[torn girder]

Ppl will play and pay for everything

[distant yoke]

It’s the god awful company structure at valve (rumoured) that prob also plays a part

“Work on what you want”, probably fun for the employees, but it’s a giant middlefinger to the playerbase

[errant tusk]

valve might not understand but they're killing their game with that move

there is gonna be so much bad pr

[distant yoke]

Does anyone know where the winter major was meant to be held?

[errant tusk]

its not even funny

[torn girder]

Of course they don’t care, they know they have a dedicated playerbase who will likely never stop playing

[buoyant sage]

well it doesnt make me want to play the game ngl

[distant yoke]

Pros depend on it

But make no money from it

[buoyant sage]

Im genuinely angry towards valve

fucking assholes

[distant yoke]

Quin said he was thinking about quitting after reading the announcement, was crying on stream

They qualified for the major and learnt it was cancelled just 2-3 hours later

[errant tusk]

i wouldnt take what quin says seriously

[torn girder]

Sad

Quinn

Not quin

[errant tusk]

guy can ltierally ragequit stream because people gank him 3 times in a pub

[distant yoke]

Barely make any money, have to live at home

[errant tusk]

ye ccnc

[torn girder]

Ye ccnc is a rager

[errant tusk]

idk what is his name after rename

not sure

[distant yoke]

Put everything they have into the game

Why not just go pro in league instead

[errant tusk]

coz its way diff

[distant yoke]

With a stable company

Running it

[errant tusk]

also its not like riots circle is much better

it has lots of bads too

[distant yoke]

Sure

[errant tusk]

dpc is great imo

probably best system we have in all esports

[distant yoke]

Yea it’s probably not a bad system in itself

[torn girder]

Theres a reason these ppl play dota and not league push

[errant tusk]

its same genre

but its just different

[distant yoke]

Well ofc it is

[errant tusk]

you need to develop different skills to be top

its like starcraft 1 vs starcraft 2

way different skills you need to develop to be good at sc1 vs sc2

some overlap sure

[distant yoke]

But do you dare put your life and career in the hands of valve

[errant tusk]

most of them are still safe in big orgs

at least in the t1

tier 1*

but yea tier 2 and tier 3 has been real bad

and people tried to tell valve to put some money there to have healthyh scene going

because tier 3 is just dead af

you cant sustain

its slave work

[distant yoke]

It trickles down to normal ppl, have to play with t2 boosters in pubs

[errant tusk]

or free work

etc

yea

acc sharing/boosting

[distant yoke]

And herald account buyers

[errant tusk]

acc selling

someone had to sell that famous leopold acc

))

apparently it was vp.gpk

and gpk is fucking t1 player

from t1 team

[distant yoke]

I guess when there is like no punishment

Why not do it

[errant tusk]

everyone loves that guy anyway that bought this acc

and ruined top bracket games

its justice

everyone had a game where you had archon guy go 30-0 on tinker

or some other dumb stomp hero

[distant yoke]

At least you get to play with pros I guess

Valves decision making is just the worst in the business

Winter major was scheduled for like end of february

Why cancel it already

[torn girder]

But ye cancelling major for covid is weird and lazy lol

Had several online majors now

[errant tusk]

yea

[torn girder]

Had several other in person majors in midst of covid too

So idk

Covid given too many game companies easy out for being lazy

[errant tusk]

cheap excuse

for everything

slow patch cycle? oh its covid and we're getting used to working from home

[torn girder]

[errant tusk]

non polished content with bugs? covid

exactly what happened in poe

when covid hit

and they had most dogshit bugged league

and they used covid as excuse

even tho they had rich history of bugs/not polished content

[torn girder]

This deep into covid, it shouldn’t be even a slightly acceptable excuse for game companies

We’ve been living with it for 2 years now

[errant tusk]

yea how it should be handled is have no viewers

which is probably obvious anyway

and lets have people play from hotels or sth

[torn girder]

Get your ppl vaccinated, get at home work stations in case you ever need to quarantine again

[distant yoke]

Look at other sports

[tender fox]

well problem is third party studios is hosting and they dont make money then

and not valve itself

[errant tusk]

you mean actual sports

or esports

[distant yoke]

Premier league teams have 40 000 ppl in the stadiums

[errant tusk]

ye but thats just

[distant yoke]

Guess it’s not doable for valve

[errant tusk]

esports is 🤏

[torn girder]

Ye

[errant tusk]

there is so much mroe pressure on premier league to have viewers watching etc

[torn girder]

Playing with an empty arena in real sports is way worse lol

[distant yoke]

What stops them from requiring proof of vaccination for an esports event

[errant tusk]

but yea even when it was real bad

they'd play games

just no viewers

because it just couldnt stop

[torn girder]

Ye

[errant tusk]

they'd be losing infinite money

meanwhile what is valve losing

nothing

you're gonna go back buy their dogshit bp

[torn girder]

NBA even setup special conditions for the finals

[errant tusk]

and forget about it

[distant yoke]

Real sports also have obligations and contracts to fulfill. Valve just has to appease their playerbase

Which they seemingly don’t give a shit about

[torn girder]

They already do that by doing the bare minimum

Ppl are addicted to the game

They will play it regardless

Same shit as WoW

[distant yoke]

Everyone has a limit

[errant tusk]

yea exactly that

[distant yoke]

Wow is seeing that now

You can only shove so much garbage down ppls throats

Before it’s full

[errant tusk]

yea

but we're far off wow point in dota

i think

[distant yoke]

Ye

[errant tusk]

we're 2-3 more shit decisions like that far from that

i think

[distant yoke]

But the pressure is growing

Cus it’s been shit upon shit in recent times

[errant tusk]

maybe even more, dont think there is even alternatives to dota

[distant yoke]

Nah there isn’t

[errant tusk]

sure there is league but most dota players just dont enjoy league

[distant yoke]

That’s the issue

[torn girder]

There isnt

[errant tusk]

even tho i think i could force myself to get good at league if i had consistent 5 stacks

i wouldnt mind

but yea solo i cba

[distant yoke]

No other dota-like has the complexity

[errant tusk]

i never play solo in dota either 😄

[torn girder]

Idk

Think you’d be miserable in that game sebek

[errant tusk]

well dota is complex

[torn girder]

Theres like 0 thought process

Or strategy

[errant tusk]

but its bugs/weird interactions

that make no sense

that make it complex

sometimes

[distant yoke]

It’s part of it

[errant tusk]

for example i was playing dark willow the other day and you're immune to physical damage during W i think

but tidebringer hits you

even tho like mars w doesnt do damage to you

[torn girder]

Dont think you’re immune no?

[errant tusk]

i dont understand this game

[torn girder]

Interesting

Ye thats odd

Must have to do with how anchor smash and bulwark are classified

[distant yoke]

You can replicate most of the Dota complexity in another game tho

[torn girder]

Well yea

[distant yoke]

Just doesn’t exist atm

[torn girder]

You can copy paste anything

But making a game is also not cheap lol

[distant yoke]

The fact that league doesn’t have low/high ground is insane to me

[torn girder]

And no one is making moba’s these days

[distant yoke]

Such a simple thing

[torn girder]

The moba train left the station years and years ago

[distant yoke]

Hate the term moba

[torn girder]

Companies realized league and dota basically have a monopoly in the genre

[distant yoke]

Some Riot invention

[distant yoke]

If someone else took the good name of Dota and the frogs endorsement

You could compete

[torn girder]

Sure but whose gonna do that

[distant yoke]

Idk

[torn girder]

EA?

[distant yoke]

Pretty sure EA is more evil than valve

[torn girder]

Yes they are

[distant yoke]

EA is like the biggest of the bads

[torn girder]

Most game companies don’t give a shit about you

[tender fox]

GGG

[distant yoke]

Capitalism

All about the fucking numbers on a screen

[torn girder]

Thats just people in general

[distant yoke]

Profits all they see

[torn girder]

Bare minimum effort for greatest return

[distant yoke]

Yea ofc why not

Need ethical game publishers

Never gonna happen

[torn girder]

The only really good games these days are created by like 1 fucking guy

[distant yoke]

Main reason why I am not a big believer in the riot mmo

Or the mike morhaime company

They all greedy cunts in the end

That will drive their game into the shit for profit chasing

[torn girder]

Idk I feel like Riot still has some passion from early days of the company

And want to make good games

Hopefully thats actually true

[distant yoke]

They wanted to make money

And succeeded

[torn girder]

Although the seasonal patches in that game have gotten real stale

[distant yoke]

League was taken out of wc3 cus it’s prob hard to make money on a wc3 mod

[torn girder]

They used to actually change the game fairly drastically every season but now its really mundane shit

[distant yoke]

But pendragon the creator of league is prob one of the most evil men in game dev

So I wouldn’t say that riot is some kind of passion company

[torn girder]

In that case there will never be a game company big enough to sustain a moba that is a “passion company”

[distant yoke]

Probably not

The world is just a sad place

[torn girder]

Yea

Gaming has been in a sad state

[distant yoke]

Most ppls ambition is to milk gamers of money

All they can think about

[torn girder]

Ye i mean games are no longer like

Gifts to people

Its just product

[distant yoke]

Imagine if wow management was concerned about making a good game instead of achieving different time consuming systems

[distant yoke]

Yep

[torn girder]

Companies get big and instead of trying to improve product they just cut costs is what it is

[distant yoke]

I mean ye it all makes sense from a business perspective

[torn girder]

Easier to sustain the current audience you have and cut costs than try to attract new people to grow your audience

Even from a business perspective it doesnt make sense to me

Because as you said everyone has a limit

Its not sustainable

Eventually people will leave

Its not if its when

[distant yoke]

I studied a master in similar stuff. It’s just disheartening to be a victim of it. But if I was working within a company of the same stature as valve, I would probably be looking at the same ideas and trying to min/max our growth

[distant yoke]

Hats

And the money men at valve has definitely done their research on their market share

[torn girder]

Even that isn’t sustainable

[distant yoke]

And will probably also know that there isn’t a real competitor

[torn girder]

Because the more players leave the more expensive/frequent the release of cosmetics/mtx has to become

[distant yoke]

Dota is losing players but gaining viewers, it’s a twisted development, but I don’t think they care a whole lot

[torn girder]

Unless you are an oil prince you aren’t just going to spam buy the weekly battle pass

[distant yoke]

Sure but their prize pools has thus far just grown

Year after year

When it starts to dip, is probably when we will see a half assed effort from valve

But only temporary

[torn girder]

We’ll see

[distant yoke]

It’s all over the place tho

They are trying to branch out with Dota

But lack ambition for the actual game

It’s weird to me

[torn girder]

Ye

The card game

[distant yoke]

Spend millions on a shit card game and on the anime series

Meanwhile the game itself, is suffering

[torn girder]

Man

[distant yoke]

Weird focus

[torn girder]

Funniest part about the anime is

It provided them with 2 free persona ideas lmao

[distant yoke]

New hero

[torn girder]

Ye

[distant yoke]

Probably gonna be more heroes from the anime

[torn girder]

Bare minimum effort

[distant yoke]

Would not surprise me 1 bit if the patch is delayed cus of the anime

And they want to reveal the patch + some anime hero

At the same time

[torn girder]

Perhaps ye

[distant yoke]

And I think it airs next week

So some copium that a new patch is coming soon

[torn girder]

For dota to actually die icefrog would have to leave i think

[distant yoke]

Valve probably pays him a shitton of money

That’s where all the hat money goes

[torn girder]

I think so too lol

[distant yoke]

I mean he is an icon

Imagine if riot bought him out

But I doubt it would happen cus of the history between pendragon and ice frog

[torn girder]

I dont think he’d work on league

[distant yoke]

But still

[torn girder]

Even if he was offered a good contract

[distant yoke]

Still think about how lucky

We were that blizzard are complete idiots

And didn’t capitalize on dota

[torn girder]

Ye

[distant yoke]

Cus it would not have been even close to the game it is

Under blizz

And no real tournaments

Nothing

[torn girder]

$20,000 prize pool

And some blizzard store credit

[distant yoke]

Pog

[torn girder]

Very epic

Invest insane time and also have to work a real job to stay alive

[distant yoke]

Blizz esports budget all goes into ow league production quality

[torn girder]

Honestly the only hope for a new dota game would be if like

A bunch of players went and said fuck dota and tried to start their own thing

[buoyant sage]

Alliance vs OG starting for DPC league

glad the points they'll win/lose will serve something :)

oh wait, that shitty lazy company just shut down the thing teams are fighting for

[distant yoke]

I mean alliance is going down anyway

And og has nothing to play for

[errant tusk]

showmatch?

[buoyant sage]

[errant tusk]

[versed matrix]

Hi, I am a valve employee pls let me clear some confusion about some of the recent unfortunate events. I know the community and pro players are not happy with our decision to cancel major but let me assure you "WE AT VALVE DO NOT GIVE SHIT". Thanks pepeLoser

[vital pollen]

just read

jesus

thats some fucking

trash level handling

especially since the battlepass surely brought in enough cash to have someone responsible handle it

[errant tusk]

only thing we got in 9 months was 2 bps

its fine

[torn girder]

[vital pollen]

[vital pollen]

can this

od/morph/spiritbreaker/void/qop cancer stop

patch when

@errant tusk what do i do when i lane against od3 sb4

like

what do you do

how do you not uninstall dota after

[errant tusk]

sb actually isnt that good on lane

its just od

you need to run into od

depends what you have

if you have grimstroke you can just run at him

and ink swell him and kill him

[vital pollen]

then you get charged

and bashed

🙂

while he hits you

[distant yoke]

not sure if you've seen this

but valve gave an update

[vital pollen]

"update"

[tender fox]

but still no dpc points given?

[distant yoke]

i mean they might run a LAN

after all

[tender fox]

for fun lan with no dpc

[distant yoke]

is there some conspiracy

to find in this

seems like a bad choice to move points from s1 to s2

if there is a t1 team that didnt make s1 major

will now be able to still collect points from s1 major in s2

[tender fox]

well if they actually go ahead they will prolly give the points but they didnt mention anything about it so

[errant tusk]

i think this lan would mean its major with dpc points

[vital pollen]

Ofc it would

[tender fox]

are team spirit doing ads for new kingsman movie in russia?

[vital pollen]

https://v.redd.it/emsvbnl64jb81/DASH_1080.mp4

[vital pollen]

@errant tusk http://puu.sh/ICBim/3b456393fe.jpg

didnt you say smth about the chinese being tryhards?

absolute worst players ive ever played with

all 3 of them

jugg is 0-3-0 after 28minutes

[errant tusk]

they tryhard

they can be bad

but still try as hard

[vital pollen]

now i play with

mmr buyer pudge

great

"previous rank - crusader" but now hes divine 2

plays like an animal that just escaped from the zoo

think he casted hook 3 times in 28minutes

[vital pollen]

http://puu.sh/ICCj7/52b207d9d0.jpg

gotta love account buyers

[torn girder]

I can see qop shard getting nerfed in patch

I knew it was strong when I saw it months ago but damn is it just too good

[errant tusk]

cant wait for kaya sange nerf

[vital pollen]

same

think ive been expecting sange nerf

for like

2years now

[torn girder]

ye

sange broken

any item that builds out of it is just good

[vital pollen]

even just a blanket sange is too fucking good

[buoyant sage]

Tundra vs OG rn

[distant yoke]

the entire dpc

has soured for me

after the major stuff

[wide geode]

Imagine playing for nothing but the fun of the game rn.

sheeeeesh

[buoyant sage]

Im still there to add one more viewer to watch players and casters I like who are the first victims of Valve laziness

and still appreciate some high level pro games

[distant yoke]

dota games today are something else huh

[buoyant sage]

yeh Im excited

[tender fox]

tiebreaker for what

or did they reinstate dpc etc

[distant yoke]

there is going to be some kind of tournament afaik

[torn girder]

Some 4 way tiebreaker for something?

Perhaps a little night stalker pos 2

[distant yoke]

spirit breaker should never be left through

what a ridiculous hero

[torn girder]

Ye

Definitely 1 of the top 3 op heroes of the patch

[vital pollen]

https://www.dota2.com/newsentry/3104670157387376084

patch after regional finals

so over one more month of this garbage meta

[tender fox]

literally dont know anyone on the sea dpc stream

[buoyant sage]

where true sight

[buoyant sage]

https://twitter.com/TSM/status/1486036164637302785

TSM FTX (@TSM)

We've arrived @DOTA2 #TSM https://t.co/lMU28aiJFF

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kinda suprised about it tbh since Valve doesnt hide that they dont give a shit about dota

but theres still money to do ig

[torn girder]

Damn

Undying bought by TSM

pog for them

[buoyant sage]

yeh thats nice

QC be like

[distant yoke]

kinda fucking weird

that they didnt buy QC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBclZrm8KTY

also i just remember this exists

hilarious

[errant tusk]

@vital pollen immortal today if 5 winstreak

[vital pollen]

nice boost

playing with smurfs

to get immortal

to then

have to smurf yourself

[errant tusk]

you think im playing with smurfs that try

let me introduce you

pos 5 TB

my pos 1 jugg

[torn girder]

Pos 5 tb

Honestly not even the worst shit possible

[distant yoke]

i hate this game

[errant tusk]

i embraced tinker yday coz enemy had some tinker spammer

so i 1st picked it

id rather have this idiot in my team rather than play against it

@vital pollen i used to be tinker spammer back in 2013/14

idk how do you lose game as this hero

its so broken

so free

[distant yoke]

ye idk, if you get focused during his worst moments then you could certainly fail with it

[errant tusk]

matrix is so bs

id get caught by tombstone so often

but it wouldnt ever cancel my blink

[torn girder]

I could see his aghs getting reworked

[vital pollen]

matrix is just dumb

dont understand why that skill is allowed to exist

only way to kill tinker is to have things that allow him to not blink

and then he gets a new skill that does exactly that

[errant tusk]

well its supposed to be things like spectre

[torn girder]

Status resist is not overpowered

[errant tusk]

tombstone

but yea

oh storm

idk

[vital pollen]

the fact it absorbs enough

[errant tusk]

usually what would happen is he'd get caght and he dead in a stun

but now

stun ends

he just proceeds to laser you

[vital pollen]

to not take damage from a 300dmg nuke, which is what most lv4 skills do

[errant tusk]

and you are the victim

[vital pollen]

cause matrix is what, 250 dmg absorb?

with magic resist, thats exactly enough to not take dmg from a nuke

and not have your blink cancelled

[torn girder]

Its 320 max rank

[vital pollen]

yeah, fuck that

[errant tusk]

there is talent for +150 absorb too

[vital pollen]

qop shard

[errant tusk]

noone takes it tho

[vital pollen]

can go fuck off too

[errant tusk]

coz its with spell amp

so everyone takes spell amp

coz spell amp for tinker

[torn girder]

50% status resist

[errant tusk]

i mean ngl my hero pool is cancer af

and seli would probably delete me

if he knew my hero pool

at least for mid

im just playing spirits/wr

and tinker when i see enemy team has tinker spammer

id pick morph if good game + my carry picks some non greedy hard carry 1

like if my 1 picks tb or am i wouldnt ever pick morph

but if he's like dawnbreaker or bh

or qop

i dont mind morph mid if its good matchup

if i know its ember mid enemy team im always going morph mid coz its just easy af matchup and you get 20 denies on the guy and he has no threat

[vital pollen]

yeah

morph is just annoying but

can pressure him early in lane

if its not some cancer combo like morph+sb

[errant tusk]

@vital polleni only pick tinker when i see enemy team has tinker spammer

[vital pollen]

yeah

[errant tusk]

id rather play it or attempt to ban it

[vital pollen]

thats why its acceptable

dunno how this dumbass hero is allowed to exist

[errant tusk]

not really enjoying this new iteration of tinker tbh

[vital pollen]

just fucking nuke status resistance from the game

[errant tusk]

i prefered old one

[distant yoke]

NA dota is dead

EU dota is boomin

[versed matrix]

NA LUL

[torn girder]

i always knew it wasn't my toxicity

my region is just dead

[buoyant sage]

and all of that is still 60 times less players than league

[vital pollen]

Those numbers seem... wildly inaccurate

CN being second to last seems... highly unlikely, to say the least.

[distant yoke]

Its accurate for all but china

Cus they have different rules etc, as usual.

[errant tusk]

https://clips.twitch.tv/EnjoyableFamousBaconYouDontSay-xvtwE_m4sE5DXz2Y

rofl

[buoyant sage]

[errant tusk]

@vital pollen

[errant tusk]

[distant yoke]

gz

[buoyant sage]

gz Sebbek

[torn girder]

Gz

Big

[vital pollen]

now you gotta smurf, grats

[errant tusk]

always was

[vital pollen]

[tender fox]

i recovered an old sold steam acc with screenshots

[distant yoke]

so you mean you scammed someone

[tender fox]

had not been logged into for 5 years or something

and its vac banned

but yes technically scamazed

[torn girder]

Old ass icons jeez

[buoyant sage]

DONDO THE SUPAMIDA

[tender fox]

(4) is cooler

[buoyant sage]

XBOCT(4) cooler? dont touch my Dondo

[tender fox]

what is this rank in first calibration game

[torn girder]

?

you're shit

thats your calibration

[buoyant sage]

[tender fox]

ez win rising

[buoyant sage]

https://fxtwitter.com/MikeMavo/status/1489531670428536834

[buoyant sage]

https://twitter.com/EllanarkJesus/status/1489653875430899716

EllanarkJesus (@EllanarkJesus)

Dota 2 drama > CS:GO drama

Team Spirit player Collapse cheated on and dumped his pregnant girlfriend, she says that he became distant and "cold" after winning The International

What does TI money do to a man 💀

https://t.co/wicsvgDy2h

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Twitter · Feb 4, 2022, 5:35 PM

[errant tusk]

rofl

[vital pollen]

wtf

is that her or is that the girl he cheated with?

[buoyant sage]

one on the photos is plly the one got cheated on

there are some "Collapse answer?" in the comment

le yikes moment

[vital pollen]

sadge

i liked him

[marble notch]

its just a messy thing

collapse responded saying the relationship had basically been over for a while

https://twitter.com/EllanarkJesus/status/1489981067520090119

EllanarkJesus (@EllanarkJesus)

Don't really want to talk about this story anymore, but since the post went viral

Collapse reacted, here is what he said:

• Never hurt her, never cheated on her
• Wanted to break up a few months ago; she argued with him a lot
• Saved her from suicide before the New Year

1/2 https://t.co/OiedM7pQGx

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Twitter · Feb 5, 2022, 3:15 PM

just seems like a toxic relationship tbh

[torn girder]

those aren't even entirely accurate translations

[torn girder]

He says he didn't ever use any physical force against her, nor cheat on her. He says that they did start having fights more often due to her having breakdowns caused by unfounded jealousy because of his ex. He says that he wanted to break up with her in the beginning of Autumn and this thought plagued him all the time, but he couldn't do it because of some hope that the problems would sort themselves out, he says that was very dumb of him. In the suicide part it was specified that she actually threatened to kill herself. Its when he realized that their relationship had much bigger issues. He continues to say that sometime in January, when she was in Kazakhstan, she informed him of her pregnancy. They mutually came to the agreement that they are too young to have children, and she said that she doesn't require anything from him and will abort the child. He understood that he could not initiate the break up at that moment, and decided to hold off the conversation. The 31st of January she informed him that she was at the doctor's and the abortion was successful. They continued in their relations after the operation, but the fights still continued. On the 1st of February she texted him that she wants to end the relationship due to the fact he doesn't give her enough attention. He says they made up, but on the 2nd of February after yet another fight initiated by one of her breakdowns, he says his patience ran out and he initiated the conversation about finally ending the relationship. A day after this the now ex girlfriend informed Collapse's friend that the abort was not successful, and she is still pregnant. She added that she wants to be together again, on top of this she argues that they should be together because of the child, that a week ago she didn't want herself. He says he believes that she is trying to manipulate him and thinks that her being pregnant is a lie, but if its not a lie he will take on the responsibility of supporting the child and taking care of it. He continues on to say that all of the dm screenshots that she publicly posted were taken out of context, and he does not wish to post his personal messages to the public sphere, but if he has to do so he will. He finishes by saying he understands that he brought her pain, and did a lot of wrong, and knows that a lot of this can't be fixed. He says despite this he could not let himself be subject to a manipulative relationship for his entire life. Finishes by saying that on that note he wishes to end the discussion of his personal life in the open public.

[distant yoke]

All i see is cyka blyat

[buoyant sage]

yeh it was weird since the start, cool to have both version

[vital pollen]

sounds like some of my relationships

[tender fox]

Seli fakes being preggo

[torn girder]

It’d be nice if he posted dm’s for context cause what she posted makes him look kinda bad

[torn girder]

Hopefully doesn’t effect his gameplay

[vital pollen]

idk

its none of anyones business, really

its the same shit as the xiao8 gambling drama

the gambling issue itself, yeah sure, that has some relevance. but the fact he supposedly cheated on his wife etc., its between him and his wife, idk why that is apparently a public interest issue

[buoyant sage]

DPC regional finals

https://www.twitch.tv/dreamleague

[distant yoke]

Liquid smashing

[distant yoke]

OG to the finals

lets go

win some games

[buoyant sage]

[distant yoke]

they just lost

sadge

looked good

but nuh

[buoyant sage]

https://twitter.com/ESLDota2/status/1493616088621404168

ESL Dota2 - Stockholm Major HYPE 🐣 (@ESLDota2)

🔥 REBIRTH 🔥

The #ESLOne Stockholm Major - Join the first Dota 2 Major with a crowd since 2020!

📅 May 20-22, 2022
🇸🇪 Hovet Arena, Stockholm, Sweden
🚨 Tickets out Thursday 5pm CET

https://t.co/QijXeVGFvw https://t.co/xI6caltLGG

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[distant yoke]

might go to that

me and a couple of irlers are planning on it

its just 1 hour away

[tender fox]

1 hour away

[buoyant sage]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOwKHSQ8ASg

[distant yoke]

PATCH NOTES WHEN

[buoyant sage]

after 9 years

yes that too

soonTM

[distant yoke]

what if im dying

and today is my last day of living

am i not meant to be able to read the latest patchnotes

before i go

[buoyant sage]

lmao thats an extreme way to see things

[vital pollen]

so far in that clip

the marci is fucking hard carrying that game

or not clip, montage

[buoyant sage]

let's shake things up

[vital pollen]

but yeah

i just dont like how shaker is kinda hard to play as pos4 nowadays

all the tree juke spot changes made fissure blocking kinda worthless in the laning stage

[distant yoke]

so what do we want from the patch?

map changes + hero changes or just hero changes?

shop changes? new items?

the removal of water runes?