Dota

[dire anchor]

bb can take a 1k hit

and do 5 quill sprays

[alpine wren]

yes

[vital pollen]

ye

[dire anchor]

[torn girder]

getting fucking quill shotgunned

[dire anchor]

holy shit lmao

[vital pollen]

30 movespeed for all units during night

the fuck

[dire anchor]

we're all night stalker tonight

[vital pollen]

well

he benefits the most from it tho

[dire anchor]

i mean

[vital pollen]

since he gets %movespeed

[dire anchor]

map kinda big now

oooh true

[vital pollen]

yeah i mean its just for roaming

this seems like

big roaming meta so far

these neutral abilities

doom is a happy man

eat vhoul assassin, get 60dps melee swing with 85% regen reduction

[dire anchor]

nah

eat the kobold

for +50 gpm

[vital pollen]

Allies affected by smoke can't use Smoke of Deceit themselves for 2s after application

[dire anchor]

take philosophers stone as well

[vital pollen]

[dire anchor]

gotta pump that gpm

[vital pollen]

wow

arcane blink might actually be a usable item now

for more than just SF

dagon instakilling creeps and granting spell lifesteal

[dire anchor]

i like the skywrath change

with added lifesteal

[torn girder]

[vital pollen]

http://puu.sh/JEQ7D/3aa94be354.jpg

silencer gonna be a very happy hero

all t3 items that could dispel are gone/reworked 🙂

overall the hero changes are kinda tame tho

seems to be mostly focused on neutral items and map changes

http://puu.sh/JEQay/4d0bd18e01.jpg

spectre shard seems super broken

[tacit epoch]

Bh got a long stun now

[vital pollen]

well

big patcherino

[fast marsh]

bro these changes are nuts

[torn girder]

pa completely untouched

[stiff pebble]

WHAT IN THE FUCK IS THIS PATCH AHHHHHHHH

Never change please.

[fallen token]

this update is cooked

[dire anchor]

ogre mid?

[stiff pebble]

204hr purge patch review has begun!!

[tacit epoch]

i'm confused by new arc warden

The upheaval has attuned Arc Warden to the Ancients. When playing on Dire side, Arc Warden will have the Tempest abilities by default and his Tempest Double will have its normal abilities. This condition is temporary and will go away once Zet adapts to the new paradigm.

[torn girder]

they basically made him more complicated xd

[tacit epoch]

Ursa as well

I guess battlefury item build got altered a bit

[tight sluice]

No more magic immunity

[vale vector]

https://www.dota2.com/newfrontiers?v=2

[dire anchor]

time to pop bkb and come out stunned afterwards

tbh i sorta like this change

[buoyant sage]

thanks for the link fuu

We didnt have it!

[vale vector]

haha i feel like late to the party

just saw the new map size, sounds like a huge change

[buoyant sage]

ye it's a 8Gb patch

dota 8

[dire anchor]

its like 40% bigger now

mid can go gank top then tp bot and gank again if they have enough mana

[tacit epoch]

They didn't increase fountain attack range

[tight sluice]

so did they alter the dire jungle

yeah they did

[buoyant sage]

[dire anchor]

so in shit show #1 for the new patch

axe can ulti medusa if she doesn't buy any str items at lvl 6

[vital pollen]

psure thats intended tho

[distant yoke]

purge is at M

[vital pollen]

didnt he start like

10hrs ago?

[distant yoke]

he is insane

[buoyant sage]

just played the game against bots to see

map is huuuuuge

dota 8 again

[fallen token]

there are way to many things to keep track off

gotta remember the fucking shard guy

and the xp thing

also the shard guy is super cringe cause he doesnt drop a shard it goes to whoever last hit it

[vital pollen]

it goes to one of the 2 lowest networth people who dont have it yet

exactly like it said in the patchnotes

[buoyant sage]

every major dota patch includes a relearning of the game

[vital pollen]

"Destroying a Tormentor grants an Aghanim's Shard buff to one of the two lowest networth allied heroes that still do not have the Shard when it dies"

[buoyant sage]

pulls timers, warding, cliffs

[fallen token]

oh what

[vital pollen]

you kill it to give your support a shard

[fallen token]

then why did my wraith king get one

🤔

[vital pollen]

idk

maybe he dropped his items

[tight sluice]

My brain hurt reading this patchb

[vital pollen]

and was lowest networth?

[tight sluice]

[fallen token]

maybe everyone had one

[vital pollen]

yeah

[fallen token]

idk i didnt read the patch notes

[vital pollen]

If all heroes have an Aghanim's Shard, then destroying a Tormentor gives 280 gold and 280 experience to each hero

[fallen token]

well i did

but it was to much

and i forgot

[vital pollen]

if 4 people have shard and one person doesnt, even if its highest networth

then it goes to that person

once all 5 have it, you just kill it for xp/gold

[buoyant sage]

[vital pollen]

cant wait for support tinker builds

matrix+pavise re-arm

[fallen token]

flash farming 1s feel really strong on this patch

really hard to punish them considering there are so many places they can be

[vital pollen]

well yes and no

also got a lot more vision with the watchers and shit

but yeah you have to re-imagine

peoples farming patterns now

i think its fine, carries have an easier time farming still

even if you lose part of the map

theres more space to farm, meaning losing early game and early towers doesnt feel as punishing

nothing worse than losing all 3 T1s while enemy has theirs and you feel like youre stuck in a game for 20min that you cant win with nowhere to farm

[fallen token]

true

this guys is smart tbh

[tacit epoch]

The shard boss is nice

Pick CM pos 5 and you get a very powerful boost

[vital pollen]

the main issue with objectives like that is

is that you gotta rely on the drop

and it might be contested, no?

you gonna wait buying shard asap because you "might" get it 5minutes down the line?

[errant tusk]

win teamfight

tell everyone from your team to buy shard

to funnel one guy

[vital pollen]

😄

[vital pollen]

the man is almost done

only 12hrs

[vital pollen]

purge done with patch analysis after only 12hours

[tight sluice]

[stiff pebble]

So how does everyone feel about;

Immortal Draft?

[torn girder]

uhhhh

initially, think its good

high elo dota players already did something similar to csgo face it

where they basically did a private style pub games

where they premake teams

then que as 5v5

[stiff pebble]

Yuh

[stiff pebble]

I hope people don't get salty for being last picked.

[dire anchor]

FUCK YOU WHY YOU PICK ME LAST HUH

[stiff pebble]

random pick afk in fountain

[fallen token]

I feel like in low rank immortal your unlikely to know the players in your game tho

[vital pollen]

Yeah it seems more like a feature that's only useful for ranked immortals, but we'll see i guess

[vital pollen]

dreamleague up with new patch

[tacit epoch]

This is gonna be a fun watch

Bounty pick

[vital pollen]

DP pick seems bad

since ghosts have to return now

before they can attack again

[tacit epoch]

Chen looking giga broken

[versed matrix]

all of these games are insane

too bad its 2-0

[errant tusk]

i hate how they made map bigger but less sentries

thats counterintuitive isnt it?

or do these little outposts/watchstones whatever they are called they give vision?

[buoyant sage]

watchtones give vision

not true sight

but ye I agree, esp as a support player

[vital pollen]

honestly

i think its fine

if you ahd more wards available, youd just do nothing all game as a support but sort out wards

this way you can utilize some of the farm on the map yourself, and cant just spam 5+ sentries at once to deward one specific area

[versed matrix]

for your viewing pleasure its on youtube now

[vital pollen]

well tbf

thats part 1 of the patch

part2 comes in may

[errant tusk]

i rly dont like how rat dota is promoted

i hate that playstyle

this map rework is huge buff to all invisers + monkey king

because pathing through all the trees

and its just frustrating playing into invises because gem is more important

and people dont wanna buy gem because big risk

just how i feel

oh yea also when you see the msg that enemy got shard

and you play zeus

just press ult

i swear yo uget kill 9/10 times

people always are low

[buoyant sage]

tormentors hit hard

this map means more angles and gank opportunities for my Clock

[vital pollen]

ye just do zeus+np

enemy kills tormentor

you zeus ult into np ult

and you get rampage

bulba drafting is

so dogshit again

entire tournament they play around mikey

as their playmaker and main core

and now they go back to just funneling rtz

and they get eliminated for it

0 impact AM

[tacit epoch]

The finals are on

[distant yoke]

Gamin looks good

[tacit epoch]

Secret vs ivy is 75 mins atm

Another hype game

[vital pollen]

felt like

liquid trolling game1 with the dagon and shit

[distant yoke]

Maybe

2nd game was kind of a meme

[vital pollen]

quinn had an awful game, dont think hell ever play puck again 😄

ye game2 felt like liquid was pulling out all the stops

[distant yoke]

Didnt do anything on sniper either

[vital pollen]

overall they seemed like they are just a tier above everybody else in this tourney#

[distant yoke]

👀

literally playing it again

[tacit epoch]

Insania

[vital pollen]

its funny watching difference

between gg and liquid supports

[versed matrix]

its dotka time and you organize a podcast

[vital pollen]

muerta

[buoyant sage]

me, a rogue main

[vital pollen]

playing dota wqithout me

[buoyant sage]

https://tenor.com/view/pingu-yell-gif-25874079

[buoyant sage]

we play the same position

https://tenor.com/view/pingu-angry-mad-arms-crossed-crossed-arms-gif-20817151

[vital pollen]

for you im flexible and take any position you want me in

[buoyant sage]

[vital pollen]

i just wanna play dota with friendos

[buoyant sage]

dont you have a stack already?

where is @errant tusk

[errant tusk]

[buoyant sage]

[fallen token]

hey guys i have quick question about the patch

what the actual fuck is the PL hero?

[buoyant sage]

[fallen token]

HOLY BASED DISCORD SERVER EMOTE

I gotta get back to the AT hunt

poe and dota has consumed most of my time

[tacit epoch]

Ban material

[buoyant sage]

my go to bans are

wisp ursa pl pitlord

and tinker because it's a matter of principle but rn

Id rather play against tinker than ursa/wisp

[tacit epoch]

Tinker seems rinced after blink nerf

[buoyant sage]

yeh I didnt see any since I played again

[tacit epoch]

Riki also seems to be very strong atm

[buoyant sage]

any invis hero is

played nyx/gondar already

stuff like marci tusk mk too

[tacit epoch]

Medusa looks fun but really needs adjustments to shield functionality

Shield does not get affected by damage reductions like armor from agi

[vital pollen]

Nope, sebbe almost never plays with me

[buoyant sage]

[tacit epoch]

So agi doesn't really help medusa with the survivability

[tight sluice]

PL GIGACHAD

[fallen token]

good hero design. imagine aba shield not blocking damage

[fallen token]

wait actually how does aba shield work with diffu? do you still lose full amount of mana?

[stiff pebble]

Her old builds are invalid.

Build mana Regen early, radiance into scepter plus shard.

[vital pollen]

ofc

has nothing to do with

whether you have a shield or not

[fallen token]

im dumb i thought it burned more mana the more damage you did

[stiff pebble]

Just remember that now, for whatever reason, her shield is the first variable in every damage calculation after misses and Dodging.

Also obviously never pick her against anyone that can naturally mana burn

She's become super niche, but I don't think that she should change any at this point, maybe a talent moved around but that's about it.

[fallen token]

I think it's to easy for any melee core to build diffu vs her

[stiff pebble]

So far I haven't seen many people give a shit to

[fallen token]

I could maybe see a world where you play her as a 3 and build aura items

[stiff pebble]

It also puts her an item ahead if someone is specifically building one item to try and kill her

[fallen token]

And just be annoying with gaze and snake

[vital pollen]

its more an issue of like

[stiff pebble]

But because your first major item is a huge evasion item, and you're taking neutrals that are full value for you

[vital pollen]

can they connect onto the hero

and how fast are they burning through your manapool etc.

btu shes still an incredibly fast farmer

[stiff pebble]

Yuh

Also getting max shield early on is an unbelievable amount of health

[fallen token]

I think the bkb change also hurts hero's like Dusa more

[stiff pebble]

Mmm

[fallen token]

Like shes kinda all in or all out in a fight

But I'm dumb and I also don't really understand the bkb change

[stiff pebble]

The thing is that she doesn't need stonegaze to win

And people are being kind of weird and not building BKB as much as they used to but that's just because it's a new patch I think

[fallen token]

Okay can you explain something to me? Is bkb essentially the same as it used to be while it's active?

[stiff pebble]

No, it allows people to still play the game against you while it's active

Whereas previously you ran around for 6 seconds immune to half the game

You're still incredibly tanky against magic damage and probably cannot be stopped except for a few things that Pierce

[fallen token]

Ok so your not magic immune during it but only disables that pierce still effect you?

Until it wears off

[stiff pebble]

You have a ton of resistance instead of full immunity

And you're immune to debuffs, but not all of them, it's very stupidly specific and weird at the moment

There's also a bunch of bugs with regards to true damage and stuff that pierces so I'm not 100%

[fallen token]

My understanding was debuffs still applied but didn't effect you during they bkb duration unless the pierce spell immunity

[stiff pebble]

Yes but I'm sure that there's some strange exceptions either intentionally or otherwise at the moment

[fallen token]

Okay sounds good

I've only played like 5 games on the patch but when I bought it on sven it felt like it did nothing so I haven't bought it since lol

[stiff pebble]

I haven't really looked into who you should be buying BKB on or against quite yet, like when is it the absolutely right thing to do

[errant tusk]

i barely play

i played like 2 games total in this patch

[vital pollen]

you played yday

30min after i asked you

with your 5stack

[errant tusk]

not yday

3 days ago

lol

or maybe somoene is playing on my acc

[stiff pebble]

[errant tusk]

who knows

@vital pollen

blue patch

as usual

[stiff pebble]

Also Jesus Christ please change Omni

[errant tusk]

what happened with omni?

is he op/underpowered?

[fallen token]

please give me back old invoker shard

the new one is so fucking bad its unreal

[stiff pebble]

Extremely powerful at the moment

@errant tusk

In some cases, an unstoppable force of God.

[fallen token]

this crimson guard item seems nuts

[stiff pebble]

Yuh

Like...

YUH

Very great

[vital pollen]

think the new shard is just insane

since it gives you free hammer every 6sec

with all the modifiers on it

the slow etc.

its like echosaber but pure damage

[stiff pebble]

That plus harpoon is quite silly

[buoyant sage]

show me your ban pool I'll tell you who you are

[tacit epoch]

Banning arc in his current state 😔

[buoyant sage]

its mostly the 4 on the right

these days

but I used to perma ban arc warden a year ago

[tacit epoch]

Yeah I just ban pl or riki

PL should've stayed the niche cheese pick like last patch

[tender fox]

Techies

[buoyant sage]

Im the one who plays em

[tender fox]

[tacit epoch]

Techies new aghs looks hilarious

[errant tusk]

https://clips.twitch.tv/FastDeafLettuceWholeWheat-X-9JF2N_G8gqhPNW

[vital pollen]

Lmao

Rubick mvp

[tacit epoch]

Spirit vs tundra is on

[fallen token]

bro im so fucking dumb lol
I was think the fucking gates are super op cause it makes it easy for the supports to rotate to a lane and gank. I was like "how do you stop this both supports could be in the trees at any time how do you play around it" ... you can just place a fucking ward on the highground the gate is on

[buoyant sage]

yes it's a valuable ward spot

[distant yoke]

Also super obvious

[buoyant sage]

yes but on my first 15 games this patch

opponent supports didnt think about it

[distant yoke]

[versed matrix]

the worst part about watching tournaments is I cant tell where on the map the observer is

because its so different

have to check the minimap

[fallen token]

to many timers to remember

gotta remember rune, xp rune, the fountain thing, the capture wards or w/e

bounty rune as well

[vital pollen]

this jankass spirit draft

seems to actually work

but theyre also playing out of their mind atm

[versed matrix]

TI winners

[vital pollen]

not an easy game, but they manage to kite out the PA/underlord/lesh lineup

[distant yoke]

Where are they playing

[vital pollen]

riki+slark pos1/2

with collapse magnus

riki was mid, slark safelane

chen+sky supports, so basically no hard lockdown outside of RP

collapse making some sick plays as well. he stayed alive in like 4 or 5 fights, where i never understood how he actually lived

[versed matrix]

is godz t3 talent now?

[vital pollen]

always has been

[versed matrix]

ive only watched a few tournaments in the last few years

but he used to be up there

[vital pollen]

yeah but he was never good casting talent, honestly

even when he was casting next to LD, it was just not a good duo

[distant yoke]

Didn’t he quit for a while

As well

[vital pollen]

godz? ye

think he was just doing work in the background

for BTS a lot

but now that BTS is deadge

hes probably trying to make a comeback in some way as a caster? idk

[versed matrix]

esports bubble is bursting

its all ogre

[distant yoke]

Bts is still alive no?

Just dropped dota

[vital pollen]

nope

[distant yoke]

Really

[vital pollen]

yep

[distant yoke]

Unlucky

[fallen token]

I mean he has been at every ti since 2013

Pretty sure hes still relevent

[vital pollen]

yeah, im just saying, hes been consistently a bad caster

lacks the knowledge to be an analyst

lacks the talent to do play-by-play

[tacit epoch]

Spirit SR series was hella entertaining

[fallen token]

best casting duo is sunsfan synderen. no you may not comment on this

[versed matrix]

sunsfan is bearable

[distant yoke]

Owen and fogged prob the most professional duo

[vital pollen]

cap+svg

i cant stand odpixel

[distant yoke]

I don’t like cap

[vital pollen]

but most dota fans think fast = good

even if his play-by-play is barely distinguishable from white noise at this point

sunsfan has surprisingly good play-by-play

[versed matrix]

is OD dating sheever or was that something I made up in my mind

[vital pollen]

theyve been together for a long time now, yeah

[distant yoke]

Sunsfan and synd are a bit clowny

[versed matrix]

I prefer the guys that know what theyre talking about

[distant yoke]

Which I don’t mind

[versed matrix]

I like fogged/synderen

[fallen token]

im indifferent towards him but one of the things thats pretty unique about him is his ability to cast very fast and not make many wrong calls

[versed matrix]

mira/bsj

[vital pollen]

i mean, odpixel is a 2k mmr player

[fallen token]

but he say the right ability

[vital pollen]

im not saying you need to be like

[distant yoke]

Well he is not an expert

[vital pollen]

immortal level player but

he says a lot of dumb shit

and fogged always is and always has been an NA fanboi

if they cast non NA games

its fine

[versed matrix]

sometimes it works well when the play by play guy asks the person who knows

from a perspective of a person who doesnt know as well

[fallen token]

A good casting duo needs to be entertaining more so than knowledgeable or smart or whatever imo

[vital pollen]

but yeah i just dont like the "rapgod" style casting, and its sad that many people try to emulate it

but its just not good casting, imo

[distant yoke]

Seeing how od casts live in the stadium

[vital pollen]

ye, its why i like cap+svg and synderfan

[distant yoke]

That guy is the most passionate caster

Out of them all

[vital pollen]

ye for sure

[stiff pebble]

M-god come back

[vital pollen]

maelk?

merlini?

[distant yoke]

Motherfucker stands up every single time and casts as much with his hands as he does mouth

[vital pollen]

mania?

[distant yoke]

Basically smashing the screen

[versed matrix]

merlini

[distant yoke]

Merlini wasn’t good

All the NA boys

NA frat club

[stiff pebble]

[fallen token]

same, those are probably me 2 favourite duos. I also like lacoste. I cant remember the name of who he has been casting with recently

[vital pollen]

merlini was great in the tri-casts imo

[distant yoke]

Boring to listen to

[vital pollen]

just vast dota knowledge, but didnt know how to "sell" it

[distant yoke]

Sounded like he didn’t give a shit

[vital pollen]

i miss hotbid interviews

[fallen token]

no bully but i actually enjoy watching the gorgc casts

[vital pollen]

yeah its a bit of a shame that oftentimes gorp is like

one of the best streams to watch

overall dota talent quality is just very low

i like bkop

bkop+black was surprisingly good

[tacit epoch]

Gorgc streams when puppey joins are really entertaining

[versed matrix]

idk, is the pay actually any good

for talent

[vital pollen]

yes

[versed matrix]

or is it mostly just passion and being streamers that keeps them afloat

[vital pollen]

but

you work a week

and then what do you

[distant yoke]

i assume they are paid fulltime

at least some of them

working on upcoming tournaments

[fallen token]

for the top 20-30 people yes. For everyone else no

[distant yoke]

not just when it actually happens

[vital pollen]

doubt it

except for some of the "exclusive" ones

[distant yoke]

i mean not all ofc

but theres certainly planning that goes on for the tournaments

[vital pollen]

i.e. pgl doesnt work with sheever

[versed matrix]

like I imagine my job is way comfier and pays better

[vital pollen]

or the other way around, idk

so sheever only does non-pgl events

[versed matrix]

even if I liked the game as much

[distant yoke]

i mean

if its true that they dont do much between tourneys

[vital pollen]

bkop seems to be not wanted for lan events due to his illness

[fallen token]

usually they are payed per event. Unless they are contracting them for longer period of time. Casters often have nothing to do with bts stuff.

[vital pollen]

im guessing

[distant yoke]

they work 4 times a year on big stuff

get paid big bucks

and chill the rest

[vital pollen]

theyre freelancers, they get paid by the hour or by the day

[distant yoke]

whats his illness?

[vital pollen]

he has crohns

[fallen token]

chrons

[vital pollen]

so like

[fallen token]

doesnt cap also have crohns tho?

[distant yoke]

that makes a joke in dreamleague a bit less PC

they had a bit where fogged came walking down the stairs, holding his stomache and they played fart noises

[vital pollen]

yeah but not as severe

but yeah iirc cap casted a tourney in diapers

cuz like

[distant yoke]

[vital pollen]

bowel control just isnt there

https://medium.com/@capcasts/i-wore-diapers-during-esl-one-malaysia-cdc3156097d3

[distant yoke]

how common is that disease

for 2 dota casters to have it

[fallen token]

can someone explain to me why the russian players on OG can never make events but other russians can?

[distant yoke]

no visa maybe

[vital pollen]

crohns? idk, ive known a few raiders who had it in my lifetime of the game

[fallen token]

but like why do theres always get denied but Spirit or whoever never have problems

[vital pollen]

according to mr. google its like

1/100 in the US who has some sort of bowel disease/problem

[distant yoke]

yes but that could include IBS no

which is super common

[vital pollen]

its kinda similar

and usually IBS is just undiagnosed crohns

[distant yoke]

i had a friend with IBS and this dude would shit for 30 minutes after every meal

we lived in the same apartment so it was quite stressful

[vital pollen]

ye

ibd/crohns is just

random stomach cramps, diarrhea, pain, bleeding

[distant yoke]

awful disease tbh

[vital pollen]

we had a raider with crohns whod just have to take a break for 10-15mins to "clean up" whenever it happened and he couldnt control it

[distant yoke]

the stigma that comes with it too

[vital pollen]

yeah

its one of those diseases that is very prevalent in developed countries

and barely exists in developing countries

[distant yoke]

weird

[vital pollen]

not really

[distant yoke]

is it all the shit we eat

[vital pollen]

nah its just

we're living in clean houses

and a clean environment

we have soap and disinfectants and all that stuff

its the hypothesis that because we have much better hygiene, our bodies arent learning how to fight off certain diseases, or that our immune system reacts in weird ways that just arent happening in people who live in much worse conditions

[distant yoke]

ye that makes sense

[vital pollen]

thats why we have a much higher case of auto-immune diseases, when those barely exist in other regions

i.e. one of the treatments for crohns, is infecting the host with helminths, which are basically just worms that next in your body and suppress your immune system response. so for people who have diseases where the immune system overreacts, its actually beneficial to have these parasites

[distant yoke]

no thanks

[vital pollen]

ye, its weird stuff

but also super interesting

but yeah, introducing worms as parasites seems to be working for a wide variety of diseases. from diabetes to MS to IBS/IBD or strong allergies

its

weird shit

[distant yoke]

for sure, Idk if i would be comfy with it

[vital pollen]

was cosnidering it for my MS as well, but insurers in germany dont pay for it

costs like 300-400€ per batch of eggs here

think in the us its like ~3grand/5years

alternatively you could just travel someplace where you can get infected "naturally" lol

[distant yoke]

sounds sketchy/dangerous

[vital pollen]

[stiff pebble]

[tender fox]

Wait sumail play in china now

Oh standin

[dire anchor]

Xiu Mai*

[torn girder]

[vital pollen]

https://old.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1305n2w/sumail_on_playing_in_chinese_dota_team/

[distant yoke]

godz casting t1 dota

[buoyant sage]

it's talon esports

not T1, similar logo

[distant yoke]

not sure if serious

but good one

[buoyant sage]

[distant yoke]

hmm

i guess you werent here for the convo last night

godz casting t3 dota

now doing t1

[buoyant sage]

oh no I wasnt

[distant yoke]

climbing fast 📈

[buoyant sage]

now I get it

was confusing at first

[distant yoke]

understandable

i just assume all the dota nerds read this chat religiously

[buoyant sage]

ye I saw but didnt read

[distant yoke]

have you played the patch?

[buoyant sage]

ye about 20 games

my hero pool suits the patch well

clock tuskarr marci willow nyx techies

gondar potm too

didnt play hoodwink yet, feels meh

[torn girder]

I played some earth spirit mid

Couple games

Was fun

Also had a long ass riki mid game but lost

New bristle is fucking redonculous

Fucking multi procing quills off same hit is absurd

[versed matrix]

havent really played since 2015

[torn girder]

Oldge

Oh ye i also played a fun bh game

[versed matrix]

I pretty much only played with friends and nobody plays anymore

so I dont want to play alone

also washed up at this point

[torn girder]

Game would be very very new to you at this point

[distant yoke]

This is why you start the game with every new major patch

everyone are noobs

[versed matrix]

yeah but I dont really want to play alone so

I mostly just watch tournaments now

[buoyant sage]

damn I played some ET games

sleep on astral spirit is so much better now

[tacit epoch]

Et winrate is rising a lot as well

[tacit epoch]

https://youtu.be/beRjWbnyK2A

[buoyant sage]

[errant tusk]

the fuck is this

[vital pollen]

no damage comp

into 90mana regen

[torn girder]

beastcoast troll warlord

man this hero is so fucking dog

has massive nw lead over opponent pos 1 and just doesnt do anything

[vital pollen]

thats less to do with the hero tho

and more to do with this timber not buying bkb

against riki/disruptor

[torn girder]

still think hes just bad lol

meme pos 1

LMAO MIPOSHKA

"pick me it i will rape everyone"

[vital pollen]

yeah i mean

not a good carry but like

he was playing by himself

his team just failed hard in early game

feeding kills into 5man train

one by one

and everytime i see a playmaking core not go bkb within the first 25minutes of the game, i just tap out mentally cuz its the stupidest shit ever

rtz does this shit a lot

never works

[errant tusk]

why do you flame me

wtf

[vital pollen]

forbidden item

[tight sluice]

isnt bkb bad now

since it no longer gives immunity

[torn girder]

debuff immunity is still debuff immunity

its just you take magic damage during

its still a fine item

[tight sluice]

can't you be stunned during bkb now?

[vital pollen]

no

only when it runs out

youre still immune to any silence/stun etc. t hat doesnt pierce debuff immunity

[torn girder]

bkb is still debuff immunity

[vital pollen]

and, ya know

when you play timber into riki/disruptor

and want to actually cast spells

bkb is pretty useful

[tight sluice]

I just thought it was removed

[torn girder]

no lol

[tight sluice]

and only reduced the duration

[vital pollen]

nah

[torn girder]

you can just take magic dmg during it

is all

[vital pollen]

you take a bit of magicdamage now

not really a whole lot, honestly

think you ahve like

75% MR during bkb

but youre still immune to all disables unless they pierce bkb

so like, bane ult etc

[errant tusk]

bkb got buffed and nerfed at same time

because now if you press your bkb right as enemy support presses disable on you they just wasted their spell

but on the other hand you cant be greedy with bkb tp anymore for example

so its double edged a bit

[vital pollen]

https://clips.twitch.tv/InspiringRelentlessYamDoubleRainbow-QJWXziFcLSq5thnq

@errant tusk

[errant tusk]

wtf is happening

why cant they kill him?

passive aghs shit or what?

[buoyant sage]

gotta be a bug

psg vs liquid now btw > https://www.twitch.tv/esl_dota2storm

[tacit epoch]

Dusa seeing more and more play

[vital pollen]

ye

just leeching too much life

from pl illusions

[vital pollen]

liquid v execration is funny game

dusa just getting yoinked from hitting t4s into the fountain

cuz cant kill hero otherwise

[tacit epoch]

Yeah if you watch ingame replay the cc chain they performed on medusa was impressive

[vital pollen]

was smart of liquid as well

to wait for force boots

saved her ass a few times in the last fight

[versed matrix]

missed the first series of the day

medusa seems pretty good

[stiff pebble]

When not attacked. Yuh.

[buoyant sage]

team spirit choked on this one

gets bodied by a medusa game 1

let her open game 2, lose again

og liquid starting now

[stiff pebble]

How fucking stupid is bloodseeker this patch?

[buoyant sage]

not stupidly good, but very good

[stiff pebble]

Mmm

[fallen token]

man what happened to IG. 2021 they won a major and got 4th at Ti

and just like imploded or something

were struggling in d2 china for a while

[vital pollen]

think china is lacking captains atm

and just overall

lots of stuff that makes having a career in dota very difficult

youve seen it with some of the other CN pros, retiring at an age of like 25-27y old, compared to most EU players who keep going until past 30

[fallen token]

Does China have mandatory military like Korea?

[vital pollen]

nah

you basically

register and are automatically put in reserve

cuz they have enough people already, essentially. country is so big and has so many people in it

so they get by with just volunteers

[fallen token]

hope china as a region can recover. sad to see whats happened to them. arguably not even a top 3 region with how strong SA is playing atm. I think one of their major problems is no new players. afaik almost all top chinese players play on SEA so the PW servers are super dead

[vital pollen]

yeah its just

why play

when you make more money casting

or streaming

or doing anything else, really

[fallen token]

im curious as to peoples opinions on ana

he was insane on those og for like 2 years but outside of that was pretty not good tbh

but he was so insane especially at ti8 he often gets included in best HC of all time discussions

[vital pollen]

by OG fans? sure

as a player i think hes basically impossible to play with unless youre fine with completely remote controlling your carry

notail even telling him when to go pee like

theres a reason his only successes have been with that very specific squad, they just knew how to enable him. hes not a flashy player at all though, and usually just did his thing while OG played around their mid and offlane a lot more than other teams at the time

idk what rtz is doing this tourney man

why did go nullifier 2nd item and then silver edge

like

i cant

[fallen token]

rtz seems to get boomed by new patches more than other players. I could just be biased cause I watch more NA games cause EU DPC is too early in the day for me but every major patch it feels like rtz is very slow and adapting his hero pool and playstyle

Like most of the time that squad drops games in DPC to random NA stacks its right after new patch

[vital pollen]

i mean i never had a high opinion of rtz

but hes like

losing games more than he wins them

they couldve still won that last game but like

he chases supports, void lives with 5% hp

timewalks, chronos, and they lose 4 heroes instead of having an easy win

[fallen token]

Im a card holding member of the rtz hate club but he is probably top 10 1s in the world. hes very consistent, he doesnt often have insane games but he rarely has turbo bad ones

on play making 1s like void tho he is a bit questionable

is this game 1 of SR vs 9p?

[vital pollen]

hes consistently throwing games, ye

cant remember last time rtz carried a game. he wins cuz his offlane/mid play well and control/carry the game so he can just rightclick

can replace him with any carry player and theyd do just as well, if not better

[fallen token]

sumail back to NA

replace rtz

[vital pollen]

rtz needs to stop playing 1 imo

ultimately i think he just doesnt care. hes a super marketable player, he plays with a coach who picks him what he wants

how does ramzes have

same networth as rtz

when he died 3 times

[fallen token]

doom got purge creep lvl 3 or something

makes trading hard

idk

[vital pollen]

rtz

i think that was

one of the best puck plays

ive seen in a long time

abed got completely outclassed by kiyotaka

is shopify contractually obligated to not buy BKBs?

[fallen token]

idk why people still let good puck teams pick puck

i dont think ive watched a puck game in months where puck wasnt a problem

[vital pollen]

woops

german mode initiated for a second there

kiyo sniping the hex courier as well. mans just styling on abed rn

[fallen token]

oh shit dagon 5 over aeon disk

based

i feel like its wrong that neither abed or rtz got orchid vs this draft

but also classic builba draft. Pick storm every game and then be shocked when teams adapt and start countering it

[vital pollen]

they just ignored rtz in the draft

cuz why wouldnt you

but ye kiyotaka had a ridiculous performance on the puck, was beautiful to watch

that bottom t2 fight was just sublime, abed got completely outplayed, and you dont see that every day, not on one of his signature heroes

[versed matrix]

cant wait for rtz troll masterclass

in elim game

[vital pollen]

well this alch

is kinda farmed

[distant yoke]

Jabz doing the harpoon + skewer gameplay with magnus

[buoyant sage]

gg vs og starting soon

[vital pollen]

kbbq on panel

[vital pollen]

this bounty hunter is having

a crazy game

12kills 9lasthits

[vital pollen]

tinker with arcane rune

e

@errant tusk

protect me sir

[versed matrix]

I dont know what tinker does since the machine rework

[vital pollen]

(tundra vs 9pandas deciding match rn)

tinker bit too stronk it seems

[errant tusk]

@vital pollen

[vital pollen]

kiyotaka seems like a godlike player

never heard of him before tho

[versed matrix]

used to be named depressed kid, heard of that one

some t2 team a long ago

[vital pollen]

ye hellraisers

but ye idk its just

tinker show

[versed matrix]

hahahah

that TB base snipe

[vital pollen]

bounty+tinker still strong

[torn girder]

tundra just got ass fucked by tinker

while roman ramzes "))))" dies to tormentor

[vital pollen]

yeah i mean

he already ddi that in previous game

[torn girder]

he was known as depressed kid

[vital pollen]

when he was feeding the pos4 bounty

[torn girder]

prob rebranding to some weeb name

but ye their mid laner has been hard carrying them

thru dpc

and looks like the major as well

just solo won that game

batrider and mk did absolutely nothing that game

all bh had to do was press track

actual tinker solo win

tundra deserved that loss

appalling builds

diffusal tb

[vital pollen]

ye its crazy

and then you see abed

playing same 4 heroes

and cant carry shit

[tacit epoch]

Faith bian on the pannel

[buoyant sage]

yesss

absolute legend

[errant tusk]

big fan of faith bian

damn i didnt watch the grp stage and i forgot sumail stands in

[tacit epoch]

Emperor Xu Mail

[errant tusk]

does underlord aura and crisom work against reflect from that mob that gives you shard?

dont know its name

[stiff pebble]

Pretty sure that crimson does

I think there's a bug with the damage type of the reflective damage or something?

[buoyant sage]

I know that pipe magic shield absorbs a bit of damage

[tacit epoch]

Hopefully they nerf auras soon

Legit the only way to play offlaner atm

And if your offlaner doesn't go auras but enemy offlaner does you can definitely feel the difference in a teamfight

[distant yoke]

liquid vs tundra now

[versed matrix]

tundra nine with a pretty miserable series of games

[distant yoke]

nine had a terrible game

jesus

[vital pollen]

honestly

i feel like that seems to be a general thing this patch

so many games where one mid is just completely dumpstered

with half the networth of the other mid

[distant yoke]

well he also just made

bad plays

technical mistakes a t1 player shouldnt make

missing spell casts and shit

idk

[vital pollen]

fair

[distant yoke]

but i agree

[vital pollen]

but still, ive seen so many games now where 1 mid player is just super useless

[distant yoke]

its been a stompy patch

[vital pollen]

33 is standing by

nice

[errant tusk]

aura meta

again

[fallen token]

with the extra stuff the supports have to do there is much more room for mids to press even a small advantage and just ruin their opponents game

[errant tusk]

[fallen token]

im goated

[versed matrix]

[tender fox]

am+naga lineup

cm bout to get abandon cus no xp

[vital pollen]

i dont understand why they completely ignore the ursa

in every fight

when its the only damage OG has

[tender fox]

wonder when og core 3 get tired of playing with standins every tourney

going on for 2y soon

jesus

[vital pollen]

ye idk

[tender fox]

great initiation but how bout get the hell out after u wipe em and 4 bb

[vital pollen]

they just ignore ursa

every fight

and you cant really get out

with kotl/veno/cm slows going around

yuragi gonna throw now

by dying out of position

[tacit epoch]

Game 3

[vital pollen]

well

this isnt really a game

looks like a botgame

http://puu.sh/JG7hU/cb0dcebf0d.jpg

[versed matrix]

its all ogre

[vital pollen]

lmao

doom too stronk

bzm didnt powershot him did he

[versed matrix]

coming back after lost lanes seems so hard

[vital pollen]

kinda impossible

cuz your freebies can be stolen

so you dont get your wisdom runes or tormentor

cuz enemy takes it

what do you do

[versed matrix]

lose the game

[vital pollen]

if OG win this somehow

then we definitely need to update whendidegthrowlast.com

[tacit epoch]

Idk

Og is one teamfight away from ending EG

Bh and kunnka do nothing later on

[vital pollen]

nah

theyre more than fine

the only win they got was just

EG throwing themselves at them

1by1

roar to tp out, freezing field to skip a wave

OG is just not at all in this game

[errant tusk]

this looks very over 😄

[vital pollen]

ye

[errant tusk]

i hate this new bounty hunter stunning you

[vital pollen]

its really stupid

[errant tusk]

it really is

[vital pollen]

cuz you can double stun

[errant tusk]

also hero that you cant even hit in lane

because 10 base armour

i hate him

[versed matrix]

1st game was fun to watch

[vital pollen]

with lv1 shadowwalk

they need to nerf the aura items

hate that shit

aura meta can go fuck off

[tacit epoch]

Yes

Offlaner is very bland to play atm

[vital pollen]

its also just not very exciting

when you have to do the aura checklist

in your team

[errant tusk]

rofl

they did 0 damage

[vital pollen]

ye

[versed matrix]

no way to catch up

[vital pollen]

thats without ship

[tacit epoch]

Auras making void do 0 dmg

[vital pollen]

i mean

void doesnt do good damage early

in early/mid you need some spelldmg in chrono

but they dont have damage

their draft overall is just

lacking damage

best burst they have is a powershot

[errant tusk]

you usually have no kill potential on your own as void unless you're very ahead or are level 20

[vital pollen]

ye

need like

[errant tusk]

level 20 talent is insanely important

[vital pollen]

snap or similar damage

during chrono

[errant tusk]

yea ofc unless you have setup like invoker

or snap

or sky

[vital pollen]

ye

and like

i wouldnt pick void carry

without these

[errant tusk]

its kinda good tbh

its rly tanky too

[vital pollen]

only thing you can chrono until minute 30and kill

are supports

[errant tusk]

its very hard to gauge void as a pick off of this game

[vital pollen]

but ye this aura stacking is just silly imo

[errant tusk]

because in general i think void is good

especiallyinto teams that play rather slow

(which isnt eg tho)

[tacit epoch]

Next match is gonna be hype

[vital pollen]

sure, but i wouldnt pick it by itself, i think void needs to be picked with another hero in mind

[errant tusk]

dont know when they picked it

but his lane looked kinda free

no strong damage over time veno/jakiro type thing

but ye not picking even one good hero with void doesnt sound good

they didnt have single thing

powershot maybe

[vital pollen]

just 2 low damage supports