Dota

[tight sluice]

this isn't even

the full sequence

where he couldve ulted cm and SF

[vital pollen]

I yeah i must've missed that series of events from the still picture

[tight sluice]

like 3 FUCKING TIMES

but uh

yeah I play minimap on right

fuck sakes

[vital pollen]

ill be somewhat honest, i wouldnt just run into 3 other heroes after buying back and being in a 2v3 situation

not by running out of the base anyway. if they push hg, sure

[tight sluice]

maybe you're right

[vital pollen]

but yeah obviously

sucks he didnt use the opportunity for a good BH

has blink ready and everything

[tight sluice]

he didn'

press anything

he just stood there

and then got hit by sf ult

and then ran

[errant tusk]

defensive creep aggro way more in lane

like there you just died and 2 enemies died

you can pull melee creeps on ranged creep and by the time they're there ranged creep is dead

wtf is this guy

[tight sluice]

[errant tusk]

lmao

lvl 10

assassin wd

[vital pollen]

Classic no toss tiny

Why skill an ability that with 1 point doubles all your damage

[tight sluice]

Adventures of 1k

It's a jungle down here

[tight sluice]

I should just play dota all day today. I'm literally getting paid to sit here and read some shit that will take me at most an hour to read

@errant tusk why does it feel like spectre does 0 damage

Should I max desolate second instead of the other passive?

Dispersion is it I cant remember the name

Like I played spec this morning. I only felt like I started to do good damage when I got orchid.

That said their comp was alot squishier than game I linked

[errant tusk]

coz it does

your biggest dps item in the game is manta

especially with scepter

coz you shadowstep on target + manta and desolate

[tight sluice]

This aghs build is weird

[errant tusk]

spectre is very slow carry

very long cd ult

needs quite a few items to be impactful

kinda weak laning too

but still allright

especially in lower brackets where people struggle to end games

[tender fox]

why? u just jump to any alone target and manta into death

[tight sluice]

Ye maybe I'm just not playing it right

[tender fox]

u do know desolate only gives u dam if the target is alone right

[tight sluice]

Yes lol

Could be too just people are never by themselves in this stupid bracket

Especially supports

But I'm probably just not recognizing opportunities

[tender fox]

take the wards urself and place like laning wards/where supports move to ward themselves

and just kill on cd

[errant tusk]

nah its not about people bgeing alone yourself

you dont rly kill people yourself

its usually 1 hero + you can shadowstep

just tell your team you can play that way

for example you had mirana with eul

she sets up with eul + arrow and you join with shadowstep

or tiny starts with blink

but your tiny last game was some vegetable

no toss for 10 levels

so unlucky xd

also i feel like you used your ult to initiate which isnt the way most of the time

unless you are very farmed with radiance or sth

you should play kinda greedy with it, only use it when you know you will land a kill

early game i mean

also in that bracket id consider midas everygame

you should get value out of it every game pretty much tbh

games are long enough

[tight sluice]

I usually don't go midas on spec but I'll try it

I only really build midas if my early game gets fucked. Like on faceless void ect.

[tender fox]

you always seem to play 60+ min games though

midas bis item

[tight sluice]

These games are long

I actually LOVE that coming from league

[vital pollen]

Idk, i think spec is fine. Get vessel/manta/shard and you're good to go

Aghs after and you kill anyone that shows

Biggest issue is her farming speed imo, but ferrying clarities and a mana Regen neutral item solve those issues. Can also just play falcon blade instead of vessel

[fast marsh]

Spectre is the slowest scaling carry I've ever seen

But once you hit your peak you're just unkillable

And everything dies

[vital pollen]

That's cause people build shit items on her like radi or diffu

Cause they still think it's 2012

[fast marsh]

I just go manta aghs skadi

Blademail

Early blademail is nice for farming stacked camps

[vital pollen]

Spec is like razor. You get stronger with more hp, because just living longer means more damage

[fast marsh]

Bruh I 1v1d a razor by him linking to me and me pressing blademail

He just killed himself

[tacit epoch]

Today I learned that razors link keeps hitting ls even if lifestealer infests a target

[fast marsh]

That's kinda awful

[fast marsh]

What's wrong with radiance if you're fed early?

[vital pollen]

its a dog item

on any hero that aint alch at this point

unless you have the most insane farm imaginable

and get it by minute 12 or 13

you cant actually fight with radi, cause at that point youre a 900hp spec that dies in 2 spells even wiht maxed dispersion

your illusions have no hp and will get cleared with 1 spell

[versed matrix]

last spectre I played with went abyssal first

he got it at min 38

[vital pollen]

ye idk

i usually go

urn/falcon/manta/aghs

[vital pollen]

can pop in shard before or after manta

[versed matrix]

I went pike maelstrom skadi on ench 5

because spectre didnt have shit

[vital pollen]

ye like

you just gotta live

then shard does half your work

most of your damage will come from spectral dagger

[versed matrix]

in the end it was good because he tanked and I slayed

[vital pollen]

but yeah i still see people go stuff like diffu or radi and i feel its a total waste

cuz you need hp on spec

hp = dps on a hero that has dispersion and a shard that makes her do damage when she gets hit

just need to stay alive long enough for people to start running away, and then youve won

[versed matrix]

yeah I mean I think im in the non ranked bracket of people that havent played in ages

and they go 2012 build

[vital pollen]

ye i used to as well

but i started just copying

pros

who play spec to join fights early

[versed matrix]

I havent played any games in a couple of days, always tired in the evening

think ill start picking more cores

[vital pollen]

game is in a weird state atm, where lanes tend to break down (or at least should) by minute 7-9

and you cant really guarantee safe farm for your carry for more than 10minutes, max

so if youre dead weight cuz you play in a way that makes you need 10k networth before you can do shit

you force your team to play 4v5 for 20minutes

and by that time your farm wont matter anymore cuz the game is lost

[versed matrix]

I mostly played 5 which id usually never do but I want to kinda get a feel of what each position wants to do in a lane nowadays

[vital pollen]

5 sucks to play with most pub players cuz

they still expect you to magically allow them to farm for 15minutes

which you cant, cause the game doesnt let you

so you get blamed if they get bullied out of lane minute 5

cause they dont buy regen

[versed matrix]

yeah I didnt feel to impactful in my cm games

[vital pollen]

https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/6875892567

[versed matrix]

ench I won because I went carry build

[vital pollen]

was my last spec game

psure i bought

2potions, stick and 3 tangoes

by minute 2

cuz i was against mag/cm

mag with 80 lasthit dmg lv3

where you have 55

and cm spamming spells

[versed matrix]

bruh I picked cm with a jug carry

and that guy just went afk for 5 mins

then wanted to go for kills on a lesh lina offlane

[vital pollen]

wasnt a fun lane

[versed matrix]

and kept pinging good game

because we were so far behind

[vital pollen]

[tight sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/tips-the-beaches-blow-up-song-tip-jar-more-tips-gif-21987497

[stiff pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/spectre-gif-22083752

I missed spectre talk

[fast marsh]

stream spectre gameplay to me

[stiff pebble]

I Don't play this brain damage anymore.

[tight sluice]

mize just in here flexing his arcanas

doesn't actually play

ngl tho spectre arcana is ok

I like the desolate animation but it's not one of the better arcanas

[stiff pebble]

I think she has a lot better sets for certain

Including the more recent one that's a pretty good one

[fast marsh]

@tight sluice so u stream herald gameplay yes

[tight sluice]

im guardian

?

but no im not streaming

[fast marsh]

sorry guardian gameplay

why 😦

[tight sluice]

dont want

it

to

[tacit epoch]

The carry dream team wins the game

[tight sluice]

i love losing

because my pos 1

refuses to buy bkb

🙂

[tight sluice]

I cant play

this fucking game anymore

I need to go back to league

help

22k

hero damage too in 60 min game

i hate this fucking game

imagine not going bkb

into this

like

I was begging him

[buoyant sage]

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[tender fox]

i mean bkb kinda not needed on naga if she got a team

almost nobody buys it ever

[tight sluice]

yeah

but

you know

mizu

when you literally cant do anything becaues their disruptor/nyx/jakiro is ppreventing you from getting near anyone

maybe

he should open whatever tiny fucking brain he has and think hmm

is there an item that will let me hit them more?

[versed matrix]

illusions cant bkb tho

[tight sluice]

im pos 5

and I did more damage

in a 60 min game

than our pos 1

incredible

stuff

[versed matrix]

naga is there to shove lanes and push them

it shouldnt be 60 mins

[tight sluice]

well

I wasn't the carry so

the fuck am I supposed to do

dota is such an amazing game at it's peak

but soloq in this game is the worst fucking waste of time experience

I have ever seen

I'm so angry at that I want to uninstall

he even had a free lane I got him 4 kills stacked for im

[vital pollen]

Damn

That's one team i didn't expect to pick up a player from that region

Thought he'd leave the region :/

[buoyant sage]

yeh hes back to SEA

glad he found a team

[vital pollen]

Sea is where good players end their career, sadly

[tacit epoch]

play supp better

[tight sluice]

Yeah bro

I'll do that

I'll just. Stack, pull, ward

Oh and also buy his items for him and kill every tower and take rosh myself

[tacit epoch]

like wtf is this warding

[tight sluice]

Blocking the camp dumbass

[tacit epoch]

for what?

[tight sluice]

So they dont fucking pull it?

Hello?

[tacit epoch]

you can pull it as well

or disrupt their pull

[tight sluice]

I can pull with the smallcamp to

I didnt need to this game tbh

CAUSE I BLOCKED THEIR PULL

[tacit epoch]

but you don't need to ward your own small camp that early

[tight sluice]

[tight sluice]

Yea I do

Incase they block it

Which happens alot btw

Your advice is dont do anything to help the Carry

As if this is a 9k player I'm playing with

Theres 0 point in me review that replay.

[tacit epoch]

sure, good luck

[tight sluice]

I lost cause of that animal subhuman naga

Wasnt just me..the entire team and enemy team were laughing at this clown

Only thing with support. I dunno what to do in the mid game

I hate I have to play 5

Every 5 games or so

Come from league I get my main role for like 9 out of 10 games. Auto fill games are maybe you get support maybe not.

It's like every 5th game I have to coin flip to lose 30 mmr

Dont bring up that game my day is already shit and I'm still fuming cause of that

[tacit epoch]

The fun thing with cm is if you see the carry struggling to hit towers you just take the attack speed talent at lvl 20

Amd become a pseudo carry

[tight sluice]

I also think the TA was a smurf

Cause their account level was super low and level 0 on steam

Doesnt matter we still should have won

Feels like I got robbed of 30 mmr

I need wow to come out so I can take a break

[tacit epoch]

You can also play pos 4/5 riki and if game goes late transition into carry 😎

But ppl are support riki non believers

[vital pollen]

cuz its ass

[tacit epoch]

Dart is pretty strong

And I'm seeing rikis winrate really high at the high ranks

And I doubt it's because of pos 1 riki

[tight sluice]

@tacit epoch it was so tragic watching this mf play I'm going to have nightmares

Like

He would song. Wait till the end of song

[vital pollen]

http://puu.sh/Jsv7r/5217f40731.jpg

[tight sluice]

Then tp to outpost

[vital pollen]

1/3rd is aight ig

[tight sluice]

And then get either stunned on glimpsed

[vital pollen]

they put in the wrong hoodwink tho

[tight sluice]

How do we see this seli?

Or it just shows you on the cache itself

[vital pollen]

when i logged in

im also psure

i voted for both the undying and the WD

[tacit epoch]

wd set is good but like

there's already good wd sets

[vital pollen]

nah

[tacit epoch]

another hero should've taken that spot

[vital pollen]

he only has good immortals

[tacit epoch]

servant of the sightless looks pretty good

bong smoker wd

the faceless void set is growing on me tho

initiallyl didn't like it but now it's very cool looking

[tacit epoch]

cache

[tight sluice]

It would be nice if void didnt just get an arcana

[tacit epoch]

i mean not everyone is gonnna get 400 lvls or so

[vital pollen]

ye

its for people who dont have the arcana

just like you still have use for WR or qop sets even though there was an arcana. cuz you missed it

[tacit epoch]

also void is very good to complete this weekly quest

the bash enemy heroes 125 times

[tight sluice]

Dw deli

[tacit epoch]

since his E just does the job

[tight sluice]

They will being them back eventually in some way

[tacit epoch]

I'll get void arcana if they release a bunndle

like they did the level bundle previously

[tight sluice]

And I'll laugh at u since you are unkind for me missing them

Mostly qop

Could care less about wr although it is an S tier arcana

[vital pollen]

[tacit epoch]

i doubt

but i'm definitely not happy that the 2 best bounty hunter sets are no longer obtainable

[tight sluice]

Literally my most hated thing about dota 2

[tacit epoch]

one is from aghs labyrinth other from last year collectors cache

[tight sluice]

Only item I want other than QoP and drow arcana is the sven CC set

But cc should remain not available

Shit is so beautiful it looks like berserker armor

[tender fox]

Wr arcana only regret

[tight sluice]

Yeah

I feel bad for that guy who posted on reddit he got the levels to unlock the wr arcana and didnt hit claim

[tender fox]

Feel like steam supp would help out if that was the case

Ez to prove u hit lvls

[tacit epoch]

I think the new dawnbreaker set looks really good if you replace the helmet with the default one

[tender fox]

Apparently 100t to get old EG roster, but why would they have to "buy" them when they were released

[errant tusk]

would make sense

100t is more of popularity contest participants

and they do have very popular players

(former eg that is)

they'd just be inactive in eg with either no salary or 20% salary etc because they surely have buyouts

[tender fox]

Feels weird that EG went out that they were released then

Sounds like contracts ended/bought out/not renewed after ti

[errant tusk]

stuff might have happened in different order than its presented too

idk

but even in scenario like this they just dropped them to inactive and were looking to cash their buyouts/charge some for the players

and the most important part is how much salary they had while being on inactive/bench

[tender fox]

But anyhow even more weird is if whole team actually stay together

[errant tusk]

just deluded again

and also will get reassured once more

because na region is free af

it wont stop till EU orgs purposefully send their teams to NA to literally farm free major/ti spot

[vital pollen]

so... like EG?

[errant tusk]

eg is at least 'og' na org

[vital pollen]

well yeah ig

[errant tusk]

they are NA for as long as i can remember

[vital pollen]

so is liquid

theyve always played in NA

[errant tusk]

yea liquid transferred to EU

[vital pollen]

even if their entire team was not from the US or even NA

[errant tusk]

which is counterlogical

why would you transfer to most competitive region

when you can farm free spot

i hope some orgs finally abuse shit out of dpc

instead of having to fight for last pity spot in most competitive region

i bet nigma could at least make LCQ if they were NA

[versed matrix]

because if they play NA they get complacent and dogshit

and then get roflstomped

[torn girder]

@tight sluice naga doesn’t buy bkb get over yourself

[tight sluice]

Yeah bro

Dont buy Bkb when you cant hit anyone

[torn girder]

You know that hero is meant to just spawn illusions and send them in to kill people lol she doesn’t commit herself usually

[tight sluice]

Yeah well he didnt even do that shit so

Fuck that animal

Useless fuck

[torn girder]

Yea so that guy just sucks and bkb wouldn’t help him anyway

[tight sluice]

Saying X doesnt buy X is the dumbest thing go play league on that case if toy want to play paint by the numbers builds

[torn girder]

You suck and are in the mmr you are in for a reason stop talking

[tight sluice]

Hes human scum

[torn girder]

1k elitism

[tight sluice]

At least I should buy Bkb

Would

You know I'm still fuming about this

And I'm also having a miserable day at work

Maybe come at me when I'm more receptive right now I am angy

[torn girder]

You are clueless player

Literally you

[versed matrix]

what I try to do is think about my game

how I should have played or could have done better

[torn girder]

BUY BKB NAGA ITS THE KEY TO WIN I SWEAR

[versed matrix]

regardless of how the game went

[tight sluice]

Yeah I'm not going review that game

I hate that person

Made me literally want to uninstall the game

[versed matrix]

you dont need to review like watch the replay

[tight sluice]

I'm still recovering from the enigma who woulsnt press his ult in a 70 min game

[versed matrix]

you will get nowhere where your takeaway from a game is that subhuman carry should have bought bkb

[tight sluice]

I'm not a support player

What can I get out of that game period

It's not like league where you can 1v9 on support

I did what I could and my pos1 failed us

That's life

[torn girder]

Low impact supp player

[tight sluice]

Low impact

Gave the guy a free lane and multiple kills

[versed matrix]

how it works is that you will win more often than not if you can consistently replicate that

[torn girder]

Bro its 1k enemy offlane will do that themselves dw

[tight sluice]

Not wrong do not wrong

But like

The pos5s in this bracket

Dont do anything

So doing something

Is enough to win lane

[tight sluice]

Tbh I win more than 50% support games so.

This game was just a filter

Tilter

Person should be in an asylum

And never allowed around other humans

[versed matrix]

you will climb then

and have less games like that

[tight sluice]

I just wanna play offlane when I queue all roles

I hate this ranked system honestly

Why cant I play my main role 9/10 games

Like league

[torn girder]

because everyone wants to do that

lmao

[tight sluice]

Well it works in league

Talk to me when in rational

Right now I'm big mad

Game was shit. Day is shit. Work is shit

Seli made fun of me for no QoP arcana again

Then tell me not to play QoP she bad anyway.

[fast marsh]

at least if you streamed you could earn money while you mald

[tight sluice]

Nah

Fuck this game

[errant tusk]

https://clips.twitch.tv/CuriousStylishTomatoGOWSkull-T9ID21IozQw_ePMc

best part is he died again while i was making the clip

[vital pollen]

hahaha

lv6 tusk just sitting in trees

stay in the trees

[tight sluice]

@torn girder 10/10 MAD

TAKE IT OUT ON THEM

I HATRE

VALVE

i got scamazed

[stiff pebble]

[tacit epoch]

That's a good arcana

[versed matrix]

bruh 3 dogshit games today

played after a week and it wasnt fun

2 where we giga lost and 1 where we kinda won lanes and 4 people abandone

0-5 on maiden so far

[fast marsh]

abandons?

i rarely see people abandon

[tight sluice]

funny enough

I had a good day today and went 3-1 with my tickets

last game was a bit rough

lc got giga fed

I hate tinker

[vital pollen]

Everyone does

[tight sluice]

what do i pick to counter it

usually TA does fine in lane

but what else

[fast marsh]

anything that can punish him in lane

i personally like zeus

cause you can use your shard or aghs or w.e it is

to interrupt his ult

and leave him stuck on cd

which makes him very vulnerable for like 5 seconds

[versed matrix]

yes, abandons. I have to play non ranked because last time I played was 10 000 years ago and you need 100 hours of unranked

[tight sluice]

aghs ye

I should've played storm that game

that would've been a better pick than ta

just orchid > linkens

and I was god mode

[tight sluice]

today a g ood day

[stiff pebble]

[torn girder]

Huskar

Allah will punish you for your sins

[tight sluice]

I wonder if theres going to be another mini battlepass next year

Like nemestice or aghs

Or will they just do next BP TI12

[torn girder]

Probably will have another bp

[burnt basin]

the time u're playing is also a factor dont forget that. ill DL the replay and lyk

[tight sluice]

??

Why are you pinging me about a conversation from 2 days ago or whatever

[burnt basin]

oh

sorry i thought it was today at 1 am

was about to ask u who you were

[tight sluice]

@torn girder https://gfycat.com/fairpinkbedlingtonterrier

mf brought his GOONS couldn't take me down

[torn girder]

Bloodstone moment

[tight sluice]

The bloodstone incident

I love lesh

[tight sluice]

I love dota honestly. I have had so much fun playing this game the last few months.

Also fixed my behaviour score which is good I dont have to play in the basement anymore

[stiff pebble]

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut...

[tight sluice]

No but

[vital pollen]

ah yes, bloodstone. great item.

reminds me of my carry spell lina game

5% hp

press R

full hp

[tight sluice]

[stiff pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/no-but-angry-mad-jon-taffer-bar-rescue-gif-14127054

[errant tusk]

https://www.dota2.com/patches/7.32d

[errant tusk]

not very suprising it gets nerfed

[tight sluice]

these aren't huge nerfs are they

other than you can't do that pulse nova trick anymore

hmm

thoughts

so her ult CD is now 60 seconds at level 2 with the talent

and shadowstrike is ground targeted with the aghs

I dunno if that makes the aghs good though I didn't like it before

[tender fox]

Old aghs was cd red and dam or something and free linkens talent

Veri nice

And scream fear

[fast marsh]

No witch doctor nerfs 😦

[tacit epoch]

nice they keep buffing bh when he is already pretty good

[tight sluice]

I miss free likens

But I mean I didnt like the ahadowstrike aghs.

I wonder if it will be decent now that it makes it ground targeted

[tender fox]

[stiff pebble]

[tight sluice]

https://youtu.be/EAes4RP7YBY

Yatoro giga brain

[errant tusk]

nisha out of secret

[tender fox]

saw yday ppy and crystallis was confirmed to continue

bit surprising

nisha out is prolly him wanting a better team

back is hurting

apparently all stay but nisha

[tight sluice]

Moonmeander coach

I remember moon from hon

HoN legend

[errant tusk]

everyone will be a downgrade to nisha

[vital pollen]

Might actually be good for secret

[errant tusk]

that team was built around nisha so very surprised to see him go

i can imagine them playing without him

that will shake up a lot

[vital pollen]

Think they realized

Their best ti games were when they didn't play around him

But zayac/reso instead

At least that's how I saw it

With the exception of some op disco pony games, Nisha didn't look nearly as unstoppable anymore imo

[errant tusk]

nisha left, no way they'd kick him

he's way too good

he's upgrade for every team in entire circuit

and everyone they replace him with 1:1 is downgrade

its not rly 1:1 right, its not like you take nine from tundra and replace him with nisha they become better team

maybe hero pool isnt there, maybe playstyle doesnt work out, some friction on that stuff

[vital pollen]

thats why i think it might be good for secret though

its kinda like

miracle

super flashy SSS tier mid

but it also means you have one gameplan

with people like ppy, zayac and reso, you kinda want more flexibility, no?

but yeah, the problem is that you dont really have a lot of choice in midplayers that can be insane but dont have to be

[errant tusk]

if you come from angle that change can be good then yea

[vital pollen]

only recent one that comes to mind is NTS

[errant tusk]

it can

but he was known quantity

[vital pollen]

ye

if they didnt confirm reso offlane already

[errant tusk]

and he was the only good part about secret till the TI/last chance qual

[vital pollen]

id have guessed they put reso mid

[errant tusk]

so for 11/12 months of season it was only nisha that was bright in that team

[vital pollen]

i just have a hard time seeing him leave the 2nd best EU team?

[errant tusk]

till the very last month where they did reso/zayac change

friendship/better pay

[vital pollen]

cuz like, where he gonna go

[errant tusk]

if he goes to liquid that would make sense

iirc he's good friends with zai

and liquid is probably best paying team

if he doesnt go there then idfk

[vital pollen]

imo i think TI made secret realize they dont need him nearly as much anymore?

[errant tusk]

maybe, its not like they could've stopped him

his contract run out i assume

or maybe he's stepping down completely

who knows

but he will make any team he joins better

i think i could've thought of 2-3 players that wouldnt be so bad for secret that wouldnt make them much worse

i think ive heard people saying/gossiping its gonna be boom from gaming gladiators t hat will join them

entity/gaming gladiators look like solid teams to farm players for better orgs

players i was thinking about were nightfall/ccnc/topson i wouldnt mind seeing them tried by secret

ccnc historically did only well with ppd as his captain and puppey is figure like him

id love to see him play with actual legit roster + leader type figure

and nightfall joining would mean either crystalis or reso gotta play some diff role and in reso case that makes almost no sense because they're offlane duo with zayac so idk about that

[tacit epoch]

Topson in secret

[errant tusk]

lots of pro players asid worse shit in pubs to each other

[tacit epoch]

Yeah just a funny flashback

[errant tusk]

if dota was run by riot most of the current pro players would be banned for racism/abusive behavior

or both

[tight sluice]

Yeah well

They shouldn't allow pros to behave this way

Riot definitely handles toxicity better than valve

[errant tusk]

i couldnt care less how players behave in pubs/ther screams

[tight sluice]

Especially in their pro scene

[errant tusk]

scrims

or w/e they're called

also think about it from pro side when you have some guy in your team that buys shadow amulet every time in your team

or griefs in other way

he's wasting my time

im trying to be better

and this guy is just ruining my practice

[tight sluice]

Yes but no need to flame. If you're a pro you should have direct line to valve and have that person banned immediately

[stiff pebble]

No

[tight sluice]

Just dont punish bad behaviour

That's a good solution

[vital pollen]

i definitely agree with that

[stiff pebble]

I didn't say that, but a bunch of man children shouldn't have a direct line to anyone for punishment

[vital pollen]

but i dont think he himself is gonna join a team that he has better chances of winning with than secret, imo

[errant tusk]

i dont think anyone is capable of building system as good as puppey is

maybe ppd but that guy gone

[vital pollen]

ye

[errant tusk]

or xiao8 but thats language barrier

[vital pollen]

its kinda

the only reason secret got as far

cuz ppy realized

the all-in-nisha plan isnt gonna be as successful anymore

[errant tusk]

puppey made avg teams look good

[vital pollen]

as just banking on zayac+reso

[errant tusk]

they won major with people like

envy/fata/pieliedie

or bone7 was it

[tight sluice]

Well fair enough but they're also pros and should also be held to a higher standard

[errant tusk]

33

not 33

w33

[vital pollen]

not by valve

by their orgs, yes

[errant tusk]

like he won majors with some players that were very mediocre and never ever achieved anything outside of playing with puppey

is my point

that shouldnt be issue for nisha tho

he looked like a star in polish tier 3 te am

[vital pollen]

but you dont want the dev of the game treating pros different than regular players when it comes to punishments for misconduct (inside the game) etc.

[errant tusk]

tier3/tier2

[stiff pebble]

The organizations are literally there to manage the players

Valve has only stepped in one time I think when an organization failed to do the job that they were supposed to do in punishing a player

[errant tusk]

that wont happen because esports org have no moral spine

look at pure

[tight sluice]

Well

[errant tusk]

how he still has career

[tight sluice]

That's why riot does a better job

[errant tusk]

even tho he supported war

[stiff pebble]

[errant tusk]

he qualified TI and is praised as one of most talented carry players in EU

[tight sluice]

And just bans them themselves

[errant tusk]

yea riot our true moral supervisor

ban someone for typing something about women esports i bet

meanwhile they're in bed with saudis

[stiff pebble]

[errant tusk]

or china or w/e they're up to

[tight sluice]

I mean they just banned Carlos for hanging out with Andrew Tate so

[errant tusk]

ye

bollocks

[stiff pebble]

That's a stupid fucking thing

Who fucking cares

Jeeeeez

[tight sluice]

Riot does

[stiff pebble]

Why does riot care to police culture?

[tight sluice]

Because it reflects poorly on league and valorant

[errant tusk]

they just dont like carlos having personality

[stiff pebble]

[errant tusk]

and this was good enough to use their leverage they had

over some stupid photo with TOPG

[stiff pebble]

Riot reflects poorly on riot, they should ban themselves.

[errant tusk]

coz they took their valorant spot becuase of that photo

iirc

or denied them a spot

[tight sluice]

I'm sort of an expert on toxicity. They do a good job policing it.

Lately they go a little too far

[errant tusk]

there was period riot disabled entire chat

[stiff pebble]

You're an expert on being a shithead not an expert on policing

[errant tusk]

meanwhile word clouds

ive seen in dota 2

be like

[stiff pebble]

Lol

[errant tusk]

sec

let me look for most ergregious one

[stiff pebble]

Could you not

Oh God

Just don't get yourself in trouble

[errant tusk]

[tight sluice]

I just dislike how dota is like

[errant tusk]

idk if i should link it here

[tight sluice]

Every game racist shit in chat

[errant tusk]

there is like

10 forbidden words

in one wordcloud

[tight sluice]

Or homophobic shit

[errant tusk]

[stiff pebble]

at least 10 but you know about

[tight sluice]

Or sexist shit

[errant tusk]

thats why people in league type shit

and then fill in last letter with

R not ready

its same shit

or spam ping

[stiff pebble]

Yeah they don't say the quiet part out loud

[tight sluice]

Yeah but spam pinging is fun

[stiff pebble]

So much better

[tight sluice]

They even added a ping to tell people to self rope

[errant tusk]

ye but spamming x racist slur is fun too

[tight sluice]

[stiff pebble]

[errant tusk]

idk i just mute people

fast

[stiff pebble]

Yeah just meet people and move on I don't understand why you need to bring in the cops

[errant tusk]

also i insta muted entire enemy team

because enemy team just cant tell you anything useful to begin with

also the premise people go with where they say i dont muteteammates coz they could tell me something useful

so you're gonna go through

100k words of them saying dogshit

• ba calls

in offchance they say something useful

MAYBE they say something useful

thats most bollocks logic

[stiff pebble]

Noty

[tight sluice]

At the same time

League chat is kinda boring now

Like post game chat is non existent

I gotta play some dota this week and test out no wraith pact patch

[stiff pebble]

[tight sluice]

@errant tusk

[errant tusk]

sounds about right

[tight sluice]

I do miss spam pinging in dota

I wish dota pings worked better. Everytime I ping people just ignore

[stiff pebble]

You can draw a very boxy cock in Dota

[tight sluice]

Very true

Mize

[stiff pebble]

Dota has like 20 fucking pings

[tight sluice]

Hmm that is a tradeoff

[stiff pebble]

And a shit ton of weirdly interactive suggestion pings and shit

I could also just play ability arena

[torn girder]

Lol no riot are nazi’s about it

They will vaporize your account with thousands of dollars on it

And it wont even be them

It will be their AI bot bad word detection system

Or their AI bot “detected enough reports” system

Perma bans should be an absolutely illegal thing to do

Just… perma ban someone from chat

Valve does it the right way

If youre a toxic pos they send you to the absolute depths of hell and make you play with the other scum

And then you just suffer thru extremely low quality games and eventually you realize “damn this sucks” and try to improve your behavior score

[tight sluice]

You don't say

This is the first I'm hearing of it

I am a paragon of good behaviour

[torn girder]

yes lol riot will just perma your account regardless of anything

oh

youre being sarcastic okay

weird that you have had it happen to you and you think its a good way to go about things

and it doesnt seem likes its changed you at all lol

[tight sluice]

I disagree. I prefer riots approach. But lately they are experimenting with chat bans in place of account bans I think

So we'll see

[torn girder]

account bans should be ILLEGAL

by law

[tight sluice]

No, why would it? Now I have nothing to lose

I don't spend money any more

[tacit epoch]

Idk it's a rarity for me to see that in dota chat

There's an occasional Russian insulting about how they are failing at the war

[tight sluice]

I just buy a level 30 account for $10 and go on my way

[tacit epoch]

But that's about it

[torn girder]

ever since my behavior score thing became green smiley face my games are most of the time good quality

[tight sluice]

Yeah me too for the most part

I think mine is like 8.5k

Still the occasional racist

[tight sluice]

My first league account probably had $1000-$2000 worth of skins

Cause I'd just buy them on sale

I was a whale

I have a problem with spending money its therapeutic to keep

Me*

[tight sluice]

@torn girder I dont like behaviour score in a way. But Also do like it.

I like getting the report card back all green

Seeing the number go up

[torn girder]

behavior score is good system

i actually saw change in my game quality when i went from like 5k to 7k behavior

[tight sluice]

Being in 8k range now games are pretty chill

Under 7k

Hoo boi

Every game I'm getting sworn at in Spanish

[buoyant sage]

Secret roster announcement today

[tender fox]

i mean everyone is announced but mid

or nisha replacement if they swap roles

[tight sluice]

bruh

that might include turbo games played too I think

no way I've played 522 rank games

[tight sluice]

I think I figured out what heroes Ishould spam in ranked

[errant tusk]

so its boom in the end

[vital pollen]

Great choice imo

[errant tusk]

well gotta trust puppey

he makes everyone look 10 times better than they look before

exception being resolution

because he already was great before joining secret lmao

so its like w/e

[vital pollen]

Love this. Two veterans in reso and puppan with a bunch of young and hungry guys

We've seen what that can do with og when ceb was back for a while

Or og with ana/flopson when they were new next to notail/fly

[worldly hamlet]

nigma actually staying with same roster or just nothing confirmed?

[versed matrix]

rmn gone but he was just coach, right?

[vital pollen]

Ye

[errant tusk]

when is roster lock before dpc season?

ok 1 more week i think

december 9

[vital pollen]

would be kinda funny

if ammar cant find new team

[buoyant sage]

seli with the topson hate as usual

[tight sluice]

How you hate topson

2 time TI winner

[buoyant sage]

because he is "trash" as a midlaner apparently

[tight sluice]

Huh?

How is a 2 time TI winner a trash mid

[buoyant sage]

it's not about being a 2 times TI winner

because he lost his lane most of the time

[tight sluice]

Ok?

Laning phase is not the whole game

[buoyant sage]

team like lgd were so eager to give him a bad game by ganking him 10 times in 12 min

they forgot the rest of the team

[tight sluice]

That means that you're so good you have to be ganked

If you're left alone you'll destroy

[buoyant sage]

they wanted to give somnus the best game possible too

which is normal btw

[tight sluice]

Oh

I see now why seli doesnt like him

[buoyant sage]

or, the strat matched their playstyle bback then

[errant tusk]

you dont win game by ganking 1 person over and over

just how it is

[buoyant sage]

exactly

so thats why I never understood the "trash player" argument

while also having the most kill count at TI8 iirc

[tight sluice]

Trash player.

Buys Diffu on gyro

Wins TI

His brain is so big

[errant tusk]

that was og's wisp

they were fountain farming people on that ti

they buffed fountain because of them

coz they were fountain farming with old wisp

[buoyant sage]

oh yeh wisp pos 1

was it lvl 15 or 25

[errant tusk]

15 i think

[buoyant sage]

the secret talent

yeh

last second tome of knowledge

[tight sluice]

Bruh why couldnt this TI be as a good as ti 8/9/10

[buoyant sage]

I think it was a great TI

very happy for Tundra too, esp Saksa

[tight sluice]

Finals were so boring

[buoyant sage]

sadge for reso tho

not boring tbh, it was an impressive high skill dota show

directed by Tundra

if you wanna watch boring finals

watch TI4

worst TI in history

[worldly hamlet]

average game lenght like 20min

[buoyant sage]

yeh and the finals were so fucking boring too

[worldly hamlet]

oh yeah I meant finals only

[buoyant sage]

ye there was no bo5 that day

esp after TI3 hype

it was such a contrast

[tacit epoch]

Ti11 outside the finals was very entertaining tho

[tight sluice]

I still loved that TL game where LA saved pango with infest on 1 hp

That was an amazing game

[errant tusk]

i think out of retired players im saddest about faith bian

[torn girder]

I think most disappointing part of this ti was that a lot of prominent teams had really really disappointing showings

Previous champs gg’d in bo1

Eg who stomped groups just get sent home in 2 series

Lgd who always do well get sent home pretty early

[errant tusk]

i think cis region suffered from the war part

a lot

[torn girder]

Also rng issues

Yea

Definitely

[errant tusk]

in some years it might come out

as story

maybe it already is but not a native speaker

[torn girder]

Getting calls from relatives and hearing about bombs n shit definitely doesnt help

[errant tusk]

yea

not only that

being russian must be hard too

[torn girder]

Ye

[errant tusk]

you cant rly be there as a player

so they had to bootcamp far away/just live far way

away

they left families behind

[torn girder]

Ye unfortunate

[vital pollen]

i see dadsen still hasnt forgiven me for flaming OG all the time

[buoyant sage]

it's not about forgiveness I just dont understand

it's not a big deal anw

[vital pollen]

the man won 2 TIs, yes. he also win literally nothing else, not even close to winning. for him to be hailed as one of the greatest mids of all time, which is what a lot of people doing, i gotta balance that out, thats all

[buoyant sage]

a lot of ppl

[vital pollen]

well

reddit

which is like

90% OG/Notail bootlickers anyway

[buoyant sage]

when did we consider what spilled out of r/dota2?

or any r/ in general

[vital pollen]

well its about the only dota2 community sentiment you can find, outside of cn weibo and some of the super old SEA forums

but i said it before, im biased against OG anyway, cause ive disliked notail since the old hon days already

[errant tusk]

topson is unique midlaner that can be said

[vital pollen]

for sure

[errant tusk]

the only one even remotely close to him is nine

because they just play weird shit

and make it work

[vital pollen]

i mean we had other "revolutionary" midplayers that introduced new heroes or itembuilds to mid gameplay

w33ha for example

[errant tusk]

which is nice to have in team

because people will always doubt wtf is this hero in draft

and wonder

is it some stupid mid oracle

or is it actual 5 oracle

[vital pollen]

ye

[errant tusk]

or w/e dumb hero he plays

its nice to have that in draft

it would be nice having ammar too

if he played regular offlaners as much as his dumb offlaners

[vital pollen]

both are high value in the draft

[errant tusk]

coz people would have to waste bans on him

which they did

but they were on point

[vital pollen]

the OTPs are high value too

[errant tusk]

but maybe its also because his heropool was shit

i saw some clip of someone

maybe fear

he said very right thing

[vital pollen]

cause the enemy team overcommits on bans for your "limited hero pool" player

[errant tusk]

if ammar showed up right before TI

he'd have won

[vital pollen]

and that opens up picks you wouldnt normally get

[errant tusk]

because he invented razor meta

and he perfected universe greedy offlane pos 1 on offlane shit

it just got nerfed

coz he did it for 9 months before TI

[vital pollen]

did he tho? felt like faithbian kinda excelled on the razor before him already

not this TI, but last one already

[errant tusk]

even if it wasnt ammar that came up with the idea, because it wasnt and it acn be assumed

that there was some t3 player noone remembers but hep robably came up with it

but ammar did perfect it

cant take it away from him

[vital pollen]

faithbian kinda did the whole "carrying from pos3" thing during the romanian TI

[errant tusk]

besides the very end of this dpc season ammar was the best player in the offlane

[vital pollen]

and then xiao8 kept picking him dog heroes in finals

[errant tusk]

i feel like faith bian underperformed in TI

[vital pollen]

this one for sure

[errant tusk]

he never did before

he was rock solid before that

[vital pollen]

entire LGD fell flat imo except innocence

RNG was the best chinese team this TI, i expected them to go very far

[errant tusk]

sad to see faith bian go

[vital pollen]

but well, unlucky coroni

[errant tusk]

coz he was one of few chinese that could do english interviews

[vital pollen]

maybe was in superb form coming into TI, and their offlane duo was sick as well

[errant tusk]

ye they got fucked

no counterplay

[vital pollen]

and this TI was won by pos 3/4

[errant tusk]

i wonder where xinq ends

[vital pollen]

neta winning TI cuz zoo is good

[errant tusk]

hope he goes EU tbh

but think he cant speak english

so maybe next season if anything

[vital pollen]

i mean its chinese pros

they retire 2-4times before it actually happens

but yeah its weird cuz

theyre pretty young

[errant tusk]

idk 33 is that guy that comes up with strats

iu dont see rtz doing that

[vital pollen]

faith bian is 24 and retiring, that seems weird, but also healthy

[errant tusk]

coz 33 is way more hungry to win

was* maybe isnt anymore

coz he got ti

also aui sounds like perfect fit for tundra

him big aui fan