but i mean
#Dota
tender fox
that 1mm of fog
tender fox
oh right secret 1 week off now
jesus i dont like it at all
will stop some teams momentum
tender fox
crazy how slark almost as farmed as ck
tender fox
maybe the lingering with 1 hp was worse for them bot
vital pollen
yeah
everytime he want into lane to cs
he got 4 spells on him
and the lich couldnt do shit about it
cause he just dies if he does the same
razor and mars can run away with this game, they dont need the slark
cause the ck isnt in a position to fight either
tender fox
slark should outfarm ck with map opened up now
vital pollen
ye he will
after diffu slark just goes shard
and he will have good impact in fights
vital pollen
hasted razor with bkb
gonna have to doom bkb razor
to dispel the haste
sneyking cs
LUL
not sure how i feel about the wraithpact rush from saksa
after that early game
marci gaming
tender fox
slark is back
vital pollen
sidekick is a balanced ability 
vital pollen
ck having a shit game is terrible for tundra
cause they needh im to have a blink
to go in
but he doesnt even have bkb yet
nicely baited
tender fox
need bkb on marci
vital pollen
by the time he has it ck is 20
tender fox
nah she was like 1k off
vital pollen
insane teamfight
like
i wouldnt not have the confidence
to jump into a ck/lich/doom
with just slark+marci
tender fox
need to get a doom on slakr but cant see him hitting it
tender fox
ye but he gets his bkb and ult of mostly cus they initiate
vital pollen
razor with sidekick will run through tundra just as fast as the slark
tender fox
and dont care
vital pollen
sneyking needs a blink imo
they need to stop engaging on the mirana
didnt work out 3 times now
errant tusk
they're desperate
vital pollen
ye
ori running into arrow there as well
slark got bkb too late imo
i know aghs on slark is super good but i still dont like the naked slark plays
but just straightup well played
tender fox
aster dont know whats going on 
errant tusk
aster looking good this game
versed matrix
last few brood games ive seen its just been feeding
vital pollen
not much he can do there
jus gets hard nuked in return
his team cant connect
no disable on aster and the storm doenst hve the mana yet for these prolonged fights
errant tusk
tundra plays rly well
vital pollen
ye
distant yoke
baiting them
tender fox
He is overextending to much
vital pollen
what else is he gonna do
errant tusk
someone needs to go in so dawnbreaker can join too
tender fox
Ye but they keep getting pick lffs already and he just go deeper with no resources
vital pollen
they need him to go
distant yoke
is tiny the mag of this TI
vital pollen
so the dawn/marci can follow
distant yoke
just throwing ppl out of position
vital pollen
yea tiny is dumb
they need to change avalanche
to not be a broken spell
idk what happened to ori that his game is this bad
vital pollen
ah
tender fox
they look so disconnected
vital pollen
yeah
tender fox
were owning up to 20 min then just
like what was boboka doing
he just followed a guy to the river basically
vital pollen
they need someone to connect, because then the rest of the team will follow
but you play against potm with leap, zeus with jump, slark with leap, brood with cliffwalking
distant yoke
Skeezer
tight sluice
this slark is going nuts
errant tusk
storm didnt bkb
vital pollen
got arrowed
vital pollen
that was one nasty lightning bolt
idk why they focus the brood so hard
go on hero with pipe/halberd
or go on smth like a zeus or mirana
versed matrix
ez for EU
tender fox
hahahaha
vital pollen
playing against storm/dawn/sf cores and you have 4 super elusive heroes
errant tusk
🤏
tender fox
sneyking and 33 together = saksa
distant yoke
blame ori
it's so weird seeing Yames be professional
and talk about the game
and not meme
constantly
i guess 7 years did a lot
vital pollen
i mean hes still throwing shade and makes some jokes
im more surprised by his gameknowledge
distant yoke
ye but its not like every single sentence
do you think there's any connection with BTS stopping dota stuff
and yames being back
vital pollen
nah
tender fox
none whatsoever
distant yoke
what changed
vital pollen
always thought he was unprofessional (and for the most part, he was)
im guessing gaben doesnt care that much about dota anymore
vital pollen
so hes not gonna "hold back" whatever the dota people wanna do out of personal bias
vital pollen
its how it often is with CEO types
if its a pet project of theirs, like TI was, then they wanna micromanage a lot
but people move on from those things, which is totally fine
dota community is making it easy, too
tender fox
wonder if teams stay in singapore to scrim final 4 teams or if they have to play vs random sea/china
torn girder
Every upper bracket series 2-0 
tight sluice
I honestly hope they never host another TI in singapore. NA only from now on pls. These timezones are killing me. UB final is at 1:30am
next saturday
which is still midnight eastern time
TI finals are going to be at like 3 in the morning
tacit epoch
Ti in EU pls 🙏
worldly hamlet
distant yoke
it should be
covid international doesnt count to have been in europe
nobody could attend
buoyant sage
I can surely say it'll be in EU 
severe sail
beastcoast is actually good
tender fox
Overextending so much
tender fox
Et and wisp 
tender fox
Lgd just keep trying to force bad fights
stiff pebble
O m f g
stiff pebble
It was such a protracted fight that I don't know if elder Titan ever came into their minds.
tender fox
And still no bkbs
And now lgd does a perfekt fight like that when down and against aegis
If lesh stop getting Caught its over
stiff pebble
wide geode
Its time for the heartbreak set of games.
tender fox
Whats the deal with og and pauses
burnt basin
kinda foresee a big boom of dota in NA
league is dying there and lcs will get moved to weekdays
so it might be the perfect time for NA TI
to grab some people
stiff pebble
That would require valve to PROMOTE THEIR FUCKING GAME FOR ONCE IN THEIR FUCKING LIVES
versed matrix
gg
stiff pebble
ZAI PLS
torn girder
Dont know who said “pick huskar” but kick them
stiff pebble
Brood snare is kind of toxic
stiff pebble
Yar
buoyant sage
gg liquid
torn girder
Ye
stiff pebble
I don't understand position three huskar
buoyant sage
you certainly dont pick huskar and furion pos1
esp when you let open some shit like
Leshrac
xd
torn girder
That huskar had like
Negative impact
Whole game
Taking farm
Doing nothing with it
Probably had less hero damage than the supps tbh
Bzm had some grave mistakes too
Unfortunate
buoyant sage
ye overall sloppy
torn girder
Deserved loss
stiff pebble
Sometimes you just play your game, and your opponent kind of just fucking loses without you doing much.
torn girder
Ye
Huskar pick was just turbo dog shit
Maybe if it was a hero that could have linked up with ember at some point when ember was strong would have been a different game
Even if it had a bad game would have had way more impact than that shit
Some generic sk or mars
rocky moon
pick what you want
In ru interview misha said that yesterday - they lost trying to counter pick and being “not og” so instead they decided to flip the table and pick what they want, force opponent to adjust
Guess that worked for one series
torn girder
Dunno
The huskar pick woulda probably been less ass against not bloodseeker 
Bs with perma turbo
Must have been nice to be matumba
buoyant sage
In ru interview misha said that yesterday - they lost trying to counter pick and...
I can understand, but it's not counter picking to ban something insanely stupid like Leshrac
torn girder
You can beat lesh
buoyant sage
not with that draft
torn girder
Think they should have banned bs along with aa but obviously hindsight is 20/20
rocky moon
They just went too deep on other side of the spectrum of trying to be number one
torn girder
Idk what else they banned after the huskar pick
rocky moon
And paid the price
torn girder
Bs is like one of the only carries that doesnt mind playing vs huskar right
buoyant sage
buoyant sage
oh yeh Ima watch this from my comfy spot 
see? PSG are aware
they dont want to deal with that garbage of leshrac
therefore they ban leshrac
stiff pebble
Aster picking a literal Dota 1 comp
torn girder
Interesting
stiff pebble
Drrroooowwwww
stiff pebble
Yeah but Riki kind of sits in her pockets man.
buoyant sage
these are smart draft, planned shit
stiff pebble
They do have three heroes to peel for Drow
buoyant sage
until bkb ye I assume
torn girder
Well having to use bkb-> charge sounds
Pretty cringe
Waste duration, you may miss, etc
torn girder
Also ranged hero into it with the sd
Probably will have a perfectly fine lane
If he charges onto her early you just disruption him
Or you can just go early gust point and he’ll never get on top of you
Otherwise I don’t really see the point of drow into riki
stiff pebble
SD is quite strong here.
buoyant sage
yeh that would make sense
torn girder
Need translator for all chat wtf
versed matrix
so battle pass was dogshit this year huh
I see the price pool is not even half of what it was last year
stiff pebble
Conveniently forgetting about COVID-19 and inflation.
The battle pass isn't too greedy this year either, not a lot of strong early incentives.
versed matrix
up until this point its always been more every year, right
stiff pebble
Yeah you can see the spending timeline gets a huge boost after the first sale basically
The first bundle that goes on sale that is
The bump was a lot smaller this year for whatever reason
I'm all valve not trying to siphon literally every penny now those people, but even this year it feels a little sparse.
versed matrix
them keeping 75% is a bit high too perhaps
stiff pebble
Pango blinks 
torn girder
The riki diffusal timing wasn’t abused at all
stiff pebble
I wonder around what time he got diffusal versus Drow getting movement
tender fox
Their draft just fell off
torn girder
Felt like they didnt pressure nearly enough in mid game
errant tusk
they just chose horrendous fights
torn girder
Also didnt target the pango for shit
torn girder
How does pango successfully get roll off vs riki lol
stiff pebble
Ember a lso walking around like he didn't have spirits.
tender fox
Dont like visage on bian give him some do shit hero and he carries
stiff pebble
How does pango successfully get roll off vs riki lol
It seemed like he was targeting SD way too much
Also they fought uphill into aster a shit ton
errant tusk
halberd was good
stiff pebble
torn girder
Get a bkb and turn off 1 hero
errant tusk
coz they had only right click
stiff pebble
He was never going to get halberd off on Drow though
errant tusk
but they never got good intiation
if only he had a spel
that has 2k intiiation range XD
which he never ever used
stiff pebble
Lol
torn girder
How can you play primal beast without bkb into gust
Thats like
Nonsense
Pulverize -> gust
torn girder
The riki has to jump the sd cause if he doesnt sd just disruptions
But beast needs to get a bkb or he just gets controlled and loses lol
Noob builld
stiff pebble
Yeah that's a lot of the point, if he has to focus SD then he can't make sure that pangolier never gets a good initiation.
torn girder
Get halberd after bkb if you want
stiff pebble
Ye
torn girder
But you need bkb there
stiff pebble
His order was off certainly, probably got overly confident from how well the early game was going
torn girder
Ye p much
stiff pebble
after Riki died in mid Lane with aegis They never got to drow ever again
errant tusk
pango did so well
idk if they had ways to stop him
no clue if riki is magically good vs pango
didnt look like it 
torn girder
Well
You are supposed to just smoke him
While he winds up ult
And he wants to die irl
stiff pebble
He just had to silence him before he got his ult off and started blinking into their backline
Over and over and over and over and over again
stiff pebble
If you got shard earlier he could have darted pangolier before going on SD but that's a lot I think.
torn girder
That game goes different if beast just first items bkb
After a certain point his fight impact became 0 lol
stiff pebble
Mirana was also wandering around a lot, felt like they were looking for her to get jumped a bunch.
stiff pebble
Not really no
torn girder
Pango kinda just solo’d the game
stiff pebble
She got some moonlight shadows off and those are always good though
That lets you a pretty decent fight near the radiant secret shop that one time
It actually might have killed Riki Right before a Rosh now that I think about it
stiff pebble
Yeah I'm really shocked he's not picked more often in general
Maybe there's too much diving and too many BKbs I don't know.
torn girder
I wonder if od is viable in this meta to counter beast
stiff pebble
Ban io or lose
torn girder
Ye pango solod the game
buoyant sage
good hg defense?
stiff pebble
There were a lot of forced shit fights
torn girder
Thats uh
Thats a lot of stuns
All 4 of those heroes have stuns lol
2 are point and click
stiff pebble
Yessir
torn girder
5 stuns gaming
stiff pebble
Enigma? Get 12 stuns.
buoyant sage
bkb first no boots for enigma 
buoyant sage
not over til its over
torn girder
Lina man
buoyant sage
aster used buybacks on this
torn girder
Disgusting hero
tight sluice
Is it 1-0 aster rn?
buoyant sage
y
torn girder
Hello i move at max movement speed and also i deal all my damage in autos and i shoot out like 7 in 1 second so when i bkb i man fight you and you get fucked
Oh i also never have a bad lane
tight sluice
Despairge
stiff pebble
Pewpewpew
buoyant sage
Idk about TB tho, every game I saw with that hero, shit needs too much set up
cant really chase
alpine wren
lgd 
torn girder
Disagree think tb is fine
Think nerves just got to lgd at the end of the day
They just seemed discombobulated
vital pollen
Tb doesn't work as a solo carry
torn girder
Ye
buoyant sage
he played very well indeed
vital pollen
i feel like xxs won the game alone
Yeah he's insane
torn girder
Despise lina tho disgusting hero
Bkb into mkb or daedalus nice cool you now kill anyone in a stun
Pog hero
vital pollen
been an xxs fan for a long time. his initiations arent always perfect, but the way he controls the flow of a teamfight and controls the area for his team so his carries can play the way they want is just huge
torn girder
Please remove attack speed off dragon soul for love of god
stiff pebble
Lol
vital pollen
so if liquid wins, all remaining teams are group B, correct?
since its still
the winners of the first sets of series in the upper
ah na TA has to win actually
for that to be the case
which is entirely possible imo
they looked good vs secret yday
torn girder
Hopefully they take liquid down just to keep things spicy
tight sluice
Please remove attack speed off dragon soul for love of god
hasn't lina gotten AS on her passive since forever
torn girder
Ye remove it finally
The fact that hero can just buy 1 damage item and rip your carry apart in 1 stun is questionable at best
No attack speed items
Unless they go mkb
All because dragon soul gives infinite attack speed hack
And it has essentially zero lane counters
torn girder
Yes but you’ll never ruin her game
Assuming equal player skill or equalish
Theres no hero you can pick in mid where you’re like “fuck i dont wanna play lina vs that fml”
vital pollen
This is the fourth TI since TI7 onwards (all but TI9) where PSG.LGD had a position 2 Kunkka in the game in which they were eliminated.
torn girder
Wonder what ame will do
tender fox
xiao8 a bit of bulba syndrome
vital pollen
they said they hadnt figured out the meta yet
but i dont even think thats the problem
faithbian just had a bad tournament
and they need him to come out big
torn girder
Dont think nts performed very well either
vital pollen
like at arlington, he was hardcarrying game after game on dawn, razor, mars etc.
vital pollen
this ti he was playing enigma, visage etc. and it had very little impact
they need him to frontline
tender fox
like vs beastcoast they gave bian axe and brew last 2 games and he just carried
vital pollen
cause hes better at that
ye
those are heroes
he can do well on
but they also picked him a lot of heroes
that were just awful
and NTS played like he always does
hes not a flashy mid
he sets up fights
for his 2 big cores to do shit
tender fox
he jhust kept getting caught out today
torn girder
Idk not very flashy this ti from what i watched
vital pollen
almost all games when they were dominant, nts was 3rd in networth and would basically set up a teamfight
only for ame/faithbian to come in roaring and taking over
torn girder
But ye dont think faith bian has good grasp on enigma
vital pollen
hed soak damage on kunkka, bkb, and get boat out, then his team rolls over enemy
hed bait some spells on pango, roll in, control 1 hero, team runs over them
nts getting caught
is how LGD have always played. he goes out on the map, draws attention, while his team gets every single piece of gold out of the map
but yeah
tender fox
i mean if u watched the earlier games he literally solo died 3 times with his team not even close
when farming
vital pollen
i dont like enigma at all this tourney
tender fox
he didnt set up anything
vital pollen
i mean if u watched the earlier games he literally solo died 3 times with his te...
yes
torn girder
Ye but feels like before he’d outplay a lot and get more out of those plays
vital pollen
thats how lgd play
vital pollen
when lgd isnt doing super well
they shove their cores out into 3 directions on the map
one of them will get ganked
the other 2 are farming
its how they sit at 3-18 after 15minutes and are still only behind 2k gold
is it a good way to play the game? idk. but theyve been placing top4 for years now with gameplay like that, its the first time in half a decade they dont make a top tier placement and immediately people complain about them and the way they play
torn girder
Maybe im just watching their bad games but nts feels off for awhile now
Pretty sure last year he was rated as best or at least top 2 mids internationally by most
tender fox
i mean it just sounds like u didnt watch the games, this is not what happend
vital pollen
its what happened the entire tournament
torn girder
Couple tournaments
tender fox
he literall solo push out mid to river nobody on map while his team is 4 ppl bottom
and just dies for nothing
he dont even make space for anything
vital pollen
yeah, im sure the better explanation is that hes a bad player who just muted coms and wasnt playing with his team anymore
worldly hamlet
do you only remember cores getting picked off in every game to shit on them later and nothing else? I mean these types of kills literally happen every game
tender fox
its pretty memorable when it keeps happening and sets his team back
vital pollen
maybe they had information that they thought would give them a fight bot, with nts just TPing in from mid, but they understood the stiuation wrong
and instead he gets ganked
im just sick of reading shit like
"if they had somnus instead theyd win every game" etc.
when theyre entirely different types of mid players
tender fox
nobody is saying that, we are saying he is the one underperforming especially in lgd and a big reason why they are out
vital pollen
depends on what you mean by underperforming
to me
hes just not a midplayer that fits into the current meta
of pos1 farm prio mid heroes
torn girder
I am just saying hes been trending down it feels like but probably just due to lgd losing more in recent times
worldly hamlet
I mean they got top6, seems pretty realistic to how they played since group stage
vital pollen
nts isnt the type to play a hardcarry ember or lesh or sf
and run away with the game
torn girder
I am not saying he is or was
vital pollen
and since that is the current meta
torn girder
But he used to shit on lanes and outplay
vital pollen
they just didnt do well
or well
they did well lmao, they got top6
but like
people expect lgd to get top2 every tournament
torn girder
Idk thats not well for lgd
vital pollen
(which they did for like 3years)
worldly hamlet
thats the problem with TI end of the day, its just a tourney like any major
just has 50x the prizepool
xdd
torn girder
Ye
vital pollen
now first time they dont "lmao nts is trending down"
only one thats trending down in lgd is xiao8 imo
torn girder
He is tho, but could be cause of lgd in general losing more
Last year they were immortal
Probably why nts seemed so good
vital pollen
meta just fit his playstyle a lot more
vital pollen
ye
torn girder
Unlosable lane
vital pollen
i mean
torn girder
And just go farm map
vital pollen
i dont agree that shes busted
torn girder
Woooo
vital pollen
she just works well into these backline core lineups
torn girder
I think she is a stupidly scaling hero
vital pollen
and TB Solo core has never worked out imo
sure, but so are a bunch of other heroes
all of which are just better this TI
torn girder
In mid?
vital pollen
ye
vital pollen
sf/lesh?
torn girder
Cause lesh fits the same demographic
Sf has fallen off giga hard no?
Group stage hero into L
vital pollen
its played a bit more on safelane nowadays
torn girder
Lina to me is idiotic cause even if you buy bkb she can just auto you to death in like 2 seconds
Lesh feels more imba late game tho
Cant randomly just die if dove
vital pollen
shit like primal, pango, bat
torn girder
Pops bloodstone and afks
worldly hamlet
I think Lina just has those games where she looks way better than what she actually is on average
vital pollen
that draft just made her look good
cause she plays into enigma/tb cores
who both wanna maxrange
which is where lina is the most comfy
if no one gets up in her face
its just like the other game yday from aster i think, where they play into 4 heroes with massive mobility on a game where they wanna catch people
worldly hamlet
its only got 14 games its 11-3
torn girder
In groups or main stage or are we just lying
vital pollen
combined event
worldly hamlet
lesh has 70 games
worldly hamlet
lesh 12-3 in main event tho
vital pollen
ye lesh is 80% win
torn girder
Nvm i was looking at wrong tab
torn girder
Regardless i dont think you can pick storm in every game
torn girder
Probably why his wr is so high lol
vital pollen
storm is a lastpick
vital pollen
you pick it cause it fitrs the game
torn girder
Same with lesh
vital pollen
nah
torn girder
You just pick it and know its gonna have a good game
vital pollen
like
torn girder
Because they farm fast
vital pollen
its asinine to argue lina is broken
when she got 4picks in mainstage
2 bans
the problem with mainstage stats is that its too few games
i definitely agree, that its easy to run away with the game on lina if youre having a good game
but its also easy to ruin a linas game
cause the hero needs ~10k networth to do good
torn girder
No i am saying the hero will always have a game and has ridiculous scaling the hero is stupid lol
It farms very fast
Doesn’t lose lane
Has built in super as steroid
vital pollen
yeah, but again, so do a lot of other heroes
ember farms fast, cant lose lane. sf does. lesh does. pango does.
you cant lose lane on basically any mid hero anymore
the heroes that coudl lose mid, like ta, arent played mid anymore
vital pollen
we might have different understandings of "lose lane"
torn girder
But ye water runes are kinda cringe
vital pollen
to me a hero loses lane when he cant even contribute to teamfights anymore
basically every hero thats played mid, can still do that even when 20cs behind the other mid
you dont need to be even on cs mid to be a usable mid hero
not every mid hero that has 20cs more than the rest of the cores is a good mid hero
it depends entirely on what the purpose of your mid is
meta rn seems to be a dualcore lineup of pos1+2 rightclicker+spellcaster with a teamfighting/frontlining pos3
torn girder
Ye except at like idk 30 mins into the game as a pos 1 im not afraid of an ember sleighting me to death over 2 seconds i am very afraid of a lina just clicking me to death before i can even do anything about it
vital pollen
dota isnt a 1v1 game tho
youre not afraid of a lina rightclicking you to death when your lich gives you a frostshield
torn girder
Alright lol
vital pollen
or when your mars sets up an arena and shes standing outside
errant tusk
that was blink reveal
vital pollen
or when your brew just lifts her in the air for 10seconds twice in a teamfight
buoyant sage
ah ye
vital pollen
honestly rn, i think lina is stronger as a pos1 than as pos2
cause she needs more farm than other heroes
buoyant sage
feels like matu should go abyssal instead of stygian? thoughts @errant tusk
worldly hamlet
well this seems over
errant tusk
they lost moment they didnt ban bs
vital pollen
yeah
worldly hamlet
bs 3 lvls higher than matu
vital pollen
that pango is useless
against rubick/bs
rubick gets to steal rolling thunder every fight
in that bottom t2 fight he rolled through like 10 different heroes
enigma got 3man blackhole, rubick rolling through
while fadebolting
errant tusk
yea that was blink reveal
vital pollen
fucker does a lot of damage
errant tusk
which was unfortunate
vital pollen
then the fight at outpost
errant tusk
their bkbs are rly fast
vital pollen
he steals split earth
errant tusk
good call from mars to buy bronze boots blink/bkb
vital pollen
and rubick split earth is 10x better than leshrac
errant tusk
coz that lesh has rly bad time
vital pollen
ye
lesh cant fight
in blood rite either
its just area control
with enigma/mars/bs
where do you fight them
errant tusk
this looks over but 
vital pollen
in arena, stack up for blackhole, or in bloodrite?
errant tusk
feels like matu should go abyssal instead of stygian? thoughts <@205013090188656...
naa if anything in their team its pango thats supposed to go basher
its just hard game for pango
too hard
buoyant sage
aye
errant tusk
i knew
vital pollen
oh well
errant tusk
its classic liquid
buoyant sage
leshrac just doesnt care my dude
buoyant sage
psychedelic disco poney xd
vital pollen
thats what happens when you wanna midnight pulse before bh
and he gets bkb off
before blackhole
unfortunate
errant tusk
i thought to myself
vital pollen
now they do what i like to call the "seli-stack-pub-strat"
vital pollen
where your team dies
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and then
when theyre about to respawn
you get caught
10sec before they respawn
so you die
and then when youre abotu to respawn
rocky moon
I think TA will advance to grand finals
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your friends die again
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and then for the next 2 minutes you never have all 5 people alive at the same time
torn girder
Tundra will actually ban secrets heroes
worldly hamlet
does lich ult still mini stun on cast
torn girder
errant tusk
1 week break 
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i honestly think
aster can win this easy
if they dont have 2 super garbage games for monet/ori like yday
where theyre basically playing
4v5 for 20minutes
rocky moon
didn't it also stun on cast and not on impact?
worldly hamlet
why the fuck did they continue chasing there
errant tusk
counterthrows
wide geode
As much as I want Matu to win TI to retire
vital pollen
its the liquid special
rocky moon
why the fuck did they continue chasing there
for the show
wide geode
I can’t lie TA be balling out.
errant tusk
counter counter counter throws
vital pollen
all wanna run into you
errant tusk
vital pollen
last game was horrible for faithbian cuz
errant tusk
i think pango will have a job to stop bh with swashbuckle no?
errant tusk
once he gets basher
vital pollen
now that bkb is up
worldly hamlet
networth wise liquid has to be feeling the game is closer
errant tusk
but zai has hardmode game
vital pollen
hes their only way to stop bkb
problem is
if hes not rolling in
lesh will just die
god i hate lesh/sf
i hate any hero thats only good cause of an item thats only playable on that one hero
its like old od+meteor hammer. no one bought that item, just that hero (and maybe treants in pubs)
worldly hamlet
lesh was my favorite hero back in hon 
errant tusk
torturer 
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torturer was very different tho
errant tusk
i liked him too
vital pollen
fucking chains
worldly hamlet
it was better yeah, atleast compared to the lesh version that came first to dota2
but then there were buffs etc
vital pollen
theres a timeline where theres a 1week break now
everybody despairs
then they start mainstage
gaben says "welcome to the international"
we get a cinematic
with 15 hon heroes being introduced to dota
and everythings alright
lich too good
worldly hamlet
lesh gonna solo the game for liquid
vital pollen
theres no vessel on TA is there?
errant tusk
he is supposed to
vital pollen
why is no one playing vessel
errant tusk
thats their gameplan surely
vital pollen
against lesh
errant tusk
someone needs to tank bkbs so lesh can win after bkbs
worldly hamlet
well matu isnt doing much
vital pollen
yeah
worldly hamlet
but yeah I mean later the game goes weaker bs becomes right
vital pollen
this is basically
worldly hamlet
but with an enigma game is never over
vital pollen
ti meta on a platter
mars refresher could be big
hes farming well
on mars
oh he got it already
yeah
hate to love to see it
lich with headband+aether
dont you love a disable with a castpoint of 0?
man
that blink
with chainfrost still chasing him
hahahahaha
vital pollen
ye
its funny how small things like that
can decide a game
jhust like that game yday
where doom gets harpy creep
errant tusk
these bbs arent that bad
that 15s on rosh means it will spawn
right?
or is it chance for spawn
i never know
worldly hamlet
always aghs
errant tusk
they might just lopse the game tho
worldly hamlet
isnt this like 2rax min
vital pollen
best ive seen this tournament
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like
its super hard
to play enigma in pro dota
almost impossible
rubick is just gonna
keep people in base
worldly hamlet
rooooooooooofl this game
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rubick 
buoyant sage
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expensive but
buoyant sage
disco poney strikes again
tender fox
Boxi
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was just 1 buyback
tender fox
Why is he lingerkng around Fountain for 20s
buoyant sage
vital pollen
so his team can get 2nd rax
he just kept enigma+rubick in base
but they didnt have creeps i think?
vital pollen
it wasnt even that great
tender fox
Nah only enigma alive and rubick did BB lift to fountain
errant tusk
he did have bb on lesh
vital pollen
and almost lose game there
errant tusk
big story is lesh/naix has bb
vital pollen
ye
errant tusk
and lesh will have bots 2
worldly hamlet
yeah sure but they dont get the 3 kills after if lesh dies
vital pollen
if TA pushes advantage now
errant tusk
by the time next rosh is up
worldly hamlet
no shot he would have bb and traveled back in
vital pollen
ye
errant tusk
idk if any aghs is relevant for them
errant tusk
ye
vital pollen
dont think nihilism matters
except for damage
and its gonna ruin naix game
zai windwaker could be gamebreaking
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if he finishes it
