i thought he will have little impact
#Dota
errant tusk
considering lane he had
he's getting so much done
its rly hard playing axe if you lose lane
tender fox
Zai is good on axe 
tender fox
Only need sand King to come back
vital pollen
i mean
he didnt lose lane tho
he just creepskipped
and phoenix cant stop it
but yeah, hes finding pickoffs a lot
but with lgd im enver sure if those arent calculated pickoffs
errant tusk
he did lose lane but not as bad
he had like 3,8k net vs 5 something on ame
but thats not as bad i guess
also their top lane stomped REAL hard
vital pollen
grenade
errant tusk
pango was super low too
buoyant sage
they threw
also primal beast big boi even after getting omega stomped in lane
also ammar stole aegis on last rosh fight
tender fox
How do they din that with fully missed bh 
tender fox
1 bad fight and then just chain it
buoyant sage
clean day for lgd
tender fox
Crystallis mid and nisha offlane
What happend there
And resp pango safelane, do nekther reso or cryst play timber or? Roles and lanes fucked their early
tender fox
I just feel like nisha staying mid on like pango would be better
Reso timber vs beast
errant tusk
and then he gets netted or roared in ult anyway
looks like trash draft
they got beastmastered this game
and didnt adress it
errant tusk
coz he had ward
and got killed by that
and then it snowballed
puppey didnt do anything entire game either
just dies to bm creeps
tender fox
Well yeah something went terrible in draft
errant tusk
bm is winning this game solo
vital pollen
secret drafting is too one-dimensional imo
surprised we dont see more CK in general
errant tusk
ye secret is getting fucked
burnt basin
if only they had an actual pos 1 
errant tusk
he bought wrong item
he needed bkb instead of aghs
aghs doesnt do shit
but it would still be L probably
od was a good pick and they didnt adress it whatsoever
they needed to doom him but idk reso didnt get memo to do it maybe
coz he never doomed od
tender fox
eg can actually drop from ub with 1 bad series 
but got pretty ez games i guess left
except for rng
pos3-5 will be tight at least
tight sluice
god I love this game
literally those epic 50 min games u drag your team until your spectre comes online
1 rax left we win
errant tusk
vital pollen
cause its an old immortal
tight sluice
but I click them individually they're 4 dollars
vital pollen
and everybody wants it
vital pollen
no idea
errant tusk
maybe it contains a taunt too
check what does it contain
for example you can buy mk arcana from market cheaper than from shop
but you dont get taunt then
vital pollen
might also be missing kinetic gems or smth, if it has any
idk
anyway, time to sleep
tight sluice
what are gems?
torn girder
the bundles can be scam a lot of the time
i think AM has a bundle for some weapons that are like
several hundred dollars
but individualls they are like a buck or some shit
tight sluice
i think AM has a bundle for some weapons that are like
the main and offhand are $10 each
but the bundle is $2k??????
torn girder
ye
tender fox
hmm rng forfeit due to covid?
burnt basin
its because the bundle has collectors value
all bundles are moer expensive than the individual parts
if someone buys theparts it means the yuse them
ive had this issue
i had duplicates of both golden bashers and rapiers
crystallis found a 4th hero he can play thank god
versed matrix
pango vs bs is so sad
torn girder
yeeee
lot of these spirit games are close
the losses are really close
another game they almost clawed back
wide geode
Dude that's so funny.
Misha just can't catch a break man haha.
gets his Visa denied 800 times, finally gets in for TI and then 'abandons' a game.
all of chat of course being like "BRING IN CEB AND CHU, THEY'RE BETTER"
tender fox
pretty sure he just tried to click reconnect to fast where its a bug the button is on the wrong place so he abandoned instead
wide geode
Yeah it 100% was the bug.
vital pollen
apparently somnus got some major nausea and vertigo, gonna play from isolation room teh rest of the day
wide geode
sheesh
vital pollen
apparently entire RNG league of legends squad at world got covid
somnus as well
went to hospital and is getting treatment, but hes playing again
wide geode
that's super fun to have before a tourney, yikes.
vital pollen
ye
thats what not having mRNA vaccinations and total isolation do to you, no resistence/herd immunity to to stronger variants
they were doing so well too
wide geode
I just really am wondering what's going to go on in the OG/Liquid game, like I doubt Misha gets back.
having to play the 4v5
cause a loss is still a loss regardless of circumstance, no way they just shelf it and it let them replay or something
vital pollen
LGD just cruising through the groups now after a shitty day1
rng vs hokori is crazy rn
entire game is crazy
80 kills in 55minutes
wide geode
Hokori be dark horsing
tender fox
they securing lb, took game of og also
vital pollen
enigma vs silencer both with refersher
60min game so t5 items
gonna be some wild shit
buoyant sage
won a 66 min game last night against SF with that build
could be feared for years
annoying af
stiff pebble
Ruuuuuunnnn
vital pollen
lgd draft penalty cuz manager got covid as well but didnt report it (cause he wasnt on the list who have to report it) but valve punished them anyway
stiff pebble
buoyant sage
theres Hokori vs RNG
OG should be playing rn but since the connection issues 45 min ago no sign of life
tender fox
prolly not added 5th stream from previous ti
vital pollen
yeah they didnt
versed matrix
are they waking up gaben himself to fix the og game
vital pollen
its tough
cause like
technically theres a save/load function
but its always caused a bunch of issues
and i dont even remember the last time it was used
think it was around ti3 or ti4 where they added it and it never got any good use and so im assuming they never fix it either
tender fox
yapzor said it was removed a long time ago
so its like, remake, continue playing or if they can manually set the timer and items on heroes
and i mean i think og were in the lead and they fucked up themselves so i guess liquid would be fine with both
versed matrix
liquid got wiped 5-0 in the last 2 fights so it would have been a hard game for them to win
tender fox
3-6 can be tight
wide geode
It's 2100. OG-Liquid game is yet to be resumed. Kuku just won Ti 56. Ammar became Ammar the Father. Taiga became the first vegan bodybuilder in the world. Artifact 2 has been released. Slacks' soul has been binded to a computer and he is trying to fix the servers from the inside.
tender fox
feels like eg have the same lineup every game still
versed matrix
bo2s kinda cringe but whats better
vital pollen
OG with Ceb - Win Major
OG with Chu - Win ESL
OG with Misha - Abandon Game
tender fox
abed fuking left a spirit top tpd home threw a spirit on a tping gg hero and fucking went to top spirit and chained om his way to cancel it
vital pollen
tender fox
should just target ban abed+nightfall vs eg
seem like they all just played 2-3 diff heroes each whole group
buoyant sage
finally
versed matrix
got wiped again
versed matrix
TA 
versed matrix
what a throw
buoyant sage
versed matrix
I feel like every TA game is just farm and lose
tender fox
group b is so close lol
vital pollen
I feel like every TA game is just farm and lose
if the TA is a solo core, then yeah
too many heroes atm that deal well with just 1 big core
versed matrix
weird og draft g2
tender fox
Rng got EG and og
Last 2 ub very tight
Betboom did look better last series though so maybe steal game from og
burnt basin
how many teams have secured UB?
burnt basin
oh shit spirit lost game 1?
errant tusk
if someone told me that eg is gonna be 1st team to secure upper bracket before TI
i would have assumed that he meant lower bracket or elimination
versed matrix
watching since I woke up 
tender fox
EG storm 
errant tusk
if eg wins internet explodes
hope its lgd eg final
so at least 1 loser can win sth finally
burnt basin
reso is gonna play brood
buoyant sage
as it was always meant to be
errant tusk
<:kekega:822182480617537567>
vital pollen
hope RNG wins
would suck if they drop to LB because of maybe being sick
full team now confirmed to have covid
tight sluice
weird coincidence because it seems all the chinese league teams at worlds have been hit by covid too
tender fox
betboom helping them
vital pollen
not really a coincidence
its a result of chinas handling of the pandemic, having a full "stay at home" quarantine for major cities/areas, and a vaccine thats just weaker than the mRNA vaccines we have in the west
so being in a different country increases the likelihood of contracting a strain you havent been exposed to yet, or having more severe symptoms, quite a bit
tender fox
tab into og game another pause
daxak fucking midas halberd, cant kill 20% puck in chrono
tender fox
hokori upper bracket inc
torn girder
Your new favorite team
tender fox
pgl production is so horny with replays and highlights and w/e just jumping back and forth everywhere
severe sail
Hokori vs Liquid in effectively a BO3 for UB tomorrow will be fun
Group B permutations will take some work
tender fox
rng from first, 4 ppl in team get covid and go 0-6 on the day 
torn girder
Spirit lower bracket 
distant yoke
They can still get UB right
tender fox
ye group b still got 2 games each
torn girder
Everyone probably still choosing psg as favorites to win
tender fox
just abed rolling and nightfall being good on like enigma or something every game ive seen
rtz comes after freefarming some on sf and hits some ppl
burnt basin
spirit repeat isnt that unlikely
also aster are sneakily good
people dont mention them
wide geode
What a good Black Hole
versed matrix
pos1 prophet is doing it
tender fox
when secret get pos2 and get lgd
versed matrix
I swear pick troll = lose
torn girder
secret 
tender fox
oh is #1 chosing between pos3/4 and #2 gets the other?
tender fox
entity out also if talon win 1 game
or 3 way tie there as well if tsm can take 1 game
tender fox
thunder throwing so it becomes a potential 4way tie for #4
errant tusk
vital pollen
tune into analyst panel while watching tiebreaker: "soniqs looking really good here in their lanes, theyll control the early and migame and quinn is one of the strongest midlaners in the tournament"
tune into game stream, wagamama: "boom is having all 3 lanes under control rn and will take charge of the midgame with this lead"
"quinn really an outstanding midplayer"
do they get paid everytime they praise quinns mid performance?
0-5-2
outstanding mid performance
errant tusk
tundra topping grp
is rly unexpected for me maybe even more than eg
they did so bad last 2 tournaments
nice to see them bounce back
looked like the -fata +saksa was a rly bad change
actually one of these results maybe was caused coz 33 couldnt travel with them and he looks like their most important player
vital pollen
ye
they basically got first off the back of their wins vs secret and spirit
only team to beat either of them
errant tusk
ye it is
vital pollen
but they also had the easy games on day1/2
im sure the covid issues caused some problems
but even without im guessing they wouldnt have done super well
tender fox
i mean your best player plays at like 50% capacity
all but xnova got covid
not just maybe
entity-talon bo3 for last lb
gorp and yapzor are omega 
tender fox
ye he was the first to get symtoms and went to the hospital and then 3 more tested positive
vital pollen
man
watching xnova alone in the team room
so 
and ofc ammar still BM tips people
but hey, why show some human decency when you got thousands of rabid OG fanboys supporting whatever the fuck you do
also quality casting again "They are gonna be in a situation now where they are playing in a situation where they have the upper bracket as well so"
vital pollen
generally i dont mind
but when youre playing against a team where 4/5 people have to play from the hospital
and clearly are struggling to play due to being sick
then maybe you just dont do it
tight sluice
@vital pollenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UQ7sBg8rQI
vital pollen
yeah i mean, it woudlve sucked if one team benefited more from it than another
but was definitely noticeable how their performance and coordination just dropped
errant tusk
i think slow is ok but turn rate is bad
they needed to buff sf somehow too because his toolkit was outdated
im kinda ok with that, he dies rly fast and gets countered by anything that can jut get on top of him
vital pollen
ye
only problem is lategame sf
with arcane blink
its the only hero in teh game that buys it
because its so fucking good on the hero
errant tusk
classic peak dogshit item design
just like bloodstone
broken on 1 hero and noone ever considers buying it on others
tight sluice
i mean bloodstone used to be bought by multiple heroes
errant tusk
like 3
storm/lesh/timber
tinker
and then nothing else 
and even then it was useless coz kaya/sange was better + cheaper
tight sluice
thankfully sf should 100% be nerfed post TI
versed matrix
dota 3 incoming
vital pollen
idk
errant tusk
coz it was bad before change too
meta previous ti was every mid hero buys kaya sange
and you're unkillable
czo you're puck/storm/qop and you literally cant ever be killed
oh yea void spirit too
errant tusk
with suicide
tight sluice
revert puck orb speed nerf
errant tusk
or self heal
tight sluice
vital pollen
or the convert mana to life one
errant tusk
dont ever buff puck
errant tusk
vital pollen
i didnt know that was possible
but theres no counter to puck
he can always phaseshift
any non-hard disable
tight sluice
puck is a he?
tight sluice
I think the talent changes to remove the CD were fine I just miss the 650 speed on orb
vital pollen
yeah no
puck is broken enough
with blink on silence
root/latches should disable phaseshift
then you can think about buffing it
vital pollen
cause the hero sucked pre-blink dagger for a long time
a lot of heroes that were entirely unplayable without blink got buffed in some way
or had changes that allowed them to fill the same role just not as good
only exception ig would be tinker, but they gave him free bots so he can rush blink now
and the few heroes that didnt get any such changes like sandking are dead heroes now for that very reason
errant tusk
i think problem of sandking is he doesnt challenge enemy pos 1 whatsoever
he just pushes it under tower + maybe farms jungle
so he is gonna farm fast
vital pollen
sandking can only be played as a core into a melee lane
errant tusk
but at that point why not juts have an axe
errant tusk
also yea sk has some real bad lane matchups
vital pollen
that dont need lvl12 to be able to farm/control lane/gank
you want caustic on lane, sandstorm to farm jungle and burrow to gank
errant tusk
even when morphling wasnt op because of shift buff + aghs buff it was good matchup
coz it was few of the matchups where lvl 6 on morph actually was strong
vital pollen
and burrow castrange is fucking pitiful
errant tusk
if that doesnt work you're done
vital pollen
what the fuck is this
errant tusk
i guess you'd pull creeps behind t2 tower coz what else do you do
vital pollen
you basically need aether lens on the hero
his shard is garbage
should just give him a burrow shard
like the one from aghs lab
where you increase his range and he can burrow back within 2sec
like void
sk shard is so fucking dogshit its actually insane
increases ult dmg by like 8% and every 700units travelled you deal 100 dmg in an aoe
meanwhile primal beast has 2k range initiation, bane ult on a 30sec cd and does 100dmg every 140units travelled
buoyant sage
and theres me, clockwerk enjoyer
being buffed at least 3 patches in a row now
they don't know
tacit epoch
Clock strong
tender fox
vital pollen
cause they got 2nd and 3rd respectively
first seed picks who they play from other group
vital pollen
saddest thing is
burnt basin
in the LB
burnt basin
this is so bad holy shit
vital pollen
cause either secret, lgd or spirit will be out
burnt basin
what is that poor luck
tender fox
is it the fart clip
tender fox
Pretty weird teams are eliminated and prize split is unknown
Imagine they bring back the 0% cus more teams
Oh yeah btw 0 monies for you
distant yoke
anyone else happy that quincy crew had to leave TI
marble notch
vital pollen
lol
versed matrix
in 16h 30m
buoyant sage
tender fox
probably disbanding for shuffel anyway
versed matrix
what did the say? I head a mention of the leslao incident but no idea what it was about
errant tusk
probably contracts till end of ti/new dpc season or end of the year
but they can just kick him so its less cost for them
also they didnt make it hard for them
because they went out as last
vital pollen
https://twitter.com/SoniqsEsports/status/1582589859352391680
the fuck
dude literally immediately put out an apology
that it was some juvenile joke from years ago and he didnt even check the inscription when he put it in for TI, which is corroborated by the fact that it has a commend and that feature has been broken for years
vital pollen
then do that, not try to score points by pretending its about that situation
instead theyre just scoring some easy points with sponsors and leslao will forever be known as a player kicked for being racist
errant tusk
well ofc
but soniqs is doing whats considered right
what leslao should've done is make big deal hey valve i cant remove my racist garbage i made 10 years ago when i was a 12 yo and i thought its funny
but i was 12 so pls fix
vital pollen
no one is gonna think about checking their inscriptions years ago. casters typically dont click effigies anymore, compared to like 4-5 years ago when the feature was new
errant tusk
i just dont see why corporation shouldnt score easy points
errant tusk
when they can
vital pollen
if youre planning on letting him go anyway, or the entire team
why brand the guy as a racist
it doesnt come off as genuine, but exactly as what it is - scoring points
makes me think less of the org, not more
so did they score points or lost them? idk
wonder if they wouldve had that zero tolerance policy if he won TI, but i doubt it
errant tusk
people typing gg is disingenuous concept too
there was some player that wasnt ever invited to a team coz he rage quit a game
in some CIS qualifier if i remember correctly
i think its out of place and team most likely should've been expelled from the tournament anyway
for having sth like that
like that guy that had n word or some other racist word in custom courier name
should've been expelled from the qualifier
vital pollen
in leslaos case its literally just a somewhat common phrase in br culture (that doesnt even have racial undertones) thats been anglizized
big fucking deal
errant tusk
idk esports be like that
if you dont have leverage you cant do shit
if it was rtz with that shit everyone would forget
and it would be swept under a rug as fast as possible
its popularity contest a lot of the times
vital pollen
i mean even after the statement yday
errant tusk
i get that from your pov its not idealistically correct but its just useless becuase people arent idealists
people are cynical
vital pollen
everyone was already in forgiveness mode with leslao
thats why this was surprising
like, people were upset, he made a statement immediately after, people accepted it and moved on
errant tusk
or rather more people are cynical in the industry
vital pollen
now a day later soniqs is scoring points when we all know the entire team is getting canned 
errant tusk
i mean just a fact they could be in grand finals and idk 2 mil people watching on twitch and caster misclicks
is not good
vital pollen
absolutely
errant tusk
if that happened esports would get set back even harder by regular tv coz that would be topic number 1
vital pollen
im pretty sure valve usually checks shit like courier names these days
errant tusk
ye maybe they learned
vital pollen
guess they forgot about effigies, just like they have for like 3+ years
vital pollen
day 3/4 RNG weibo messages
sounds like theyre having a rough time
would be quite the story if they recover and win TI at the end
distant yoke
just play better or
tight sluice
YEAH
I need to
MY TEAM IS malding
cause this arc got giga fded
callning him a scripter lmfao
honestly I just don't know what to do half the time when the game isn't going well
I find like if your team is behind the other team just runs as 5 and there's no way to stop it. Even if you try and split they just tp.
tender fox
how about u just tp to the other side when they tp
and if u split so 5 ppl actually tp to a specific lane u just free up the map for ur team to farm the rest and u farm more than the other team while losing
tight sluice
yeah but they're 1ks
so
it doesn't do anything
I find the most success I have is if I play puck and rush travels I can be everywhere
tender fox
well so are you, as long as u do something u should get more done than the enemy
tight sluice
if I'm pos 1 Iegit feel helpless
honestly if I don't have bots I feel helpless if the game is not going well
tender fox
learn creepwave timings where they are at what times and creepskip, sit in trees cut it again etc
tight sluice
also I find it's weird I'll go like 10 games and don't find the games are hard at all I get up to like 1.5k and suddenly it feels like the other team is all 10k players
I've never had mmr swing so wildly in a game before
errant tusk
coz you're inconsistent yourself
and people you play with too
thats the issue people oversight
its not as visible in a moba as in fps games
lower skill level = even bigger inconsistencies
buoyant sage
smart split push at low rank makes you win games, ppl at that rank dont know how to react so they will rotate two heroes at least, you tp at the opposite, do it again
ez
errant tusk
the better you are the more consistent you are
your lowest low and highest high is very close to your avg when you become good
but when you're trash then yea you get the memo
errant tusk
pick spectre or some other ultra hard carry
spectre has highest winrate by far in shit brackets
coz games are very long
people dont know how to endgames
tight sluice
really? I find any of the late game carries super shit
buoyant sage
worst rank at high ground siege 
errant tusk
well its 'famous' stat
tight sluice
I just ran at them
errant tusk
that spectre has highest win by far on low brackets
even when spec is bad
she has big winrate in herald/crusader bracket
tight sluice
anything I can involve myself the game really early as pos1 I find is the best
I guess, spec just goes aghs manta now and fights earlier
errant tusk
but yea juts find whatever hero you find enjoyable spam it and adapt/make it work
probably more fun
buoyant sage
definetly
torn girder
I swear im getting someone to boost my account out of 1k
You are in 1k for a reason
(Bad player)
torn girder
Sent what
Just spam void spirit and shit on your lane then solo the game
Best low mmr strat
torn girder
Thats bald
Low mmr players are shit laners
And never group
So you just farm them cause voids kit is stupid
When i spammed him i rushed orchid though cause i fucked my lane 99/100 games so i got early orchid before anyone had a dispel lol
tight sluice
you didnt read what I wrote
earlier
when we get a lead I know what to do
I struggle when the game doesnt go well
I have no idea
vital pollen
So you just farm them cause voids kit is stupid
you really think a 1k mmr player is gonna be able to play void well to shit on people?
torn girder
Idk i never found astral step -> remnant hard to hit
But i did practice it against bots a lot before playing it in real game
vital pollen
are you a 1k mmr player?
torn girder
When i played ranked dota for the first time i think i got placed low 2k
torn girder
I climbed myself out to 4k
tight sluice
dota is jnot that hard of a game mechanically
torn girder
Within like couple months
vital pollen
i dont find it hard to runecontrol in early game and deward and roam and secure 5+ kills by minute 10 either. but im not 1k mmr, so my advice or how easy things are for me isnt really applicable for 1k mmr
tight sluice
puck also can rush travels
vital pollen
you find puck easier cause puck has an easier time escaping ganks when your lack of map awareness due to your lower mmr causes you to get caught
tight sluice
and isn't useless pre 6
torn girder
His kit is just hilariously disgusting
vital pollen
because pucks defensive skill is separate from his nukes, whereas with void most skills function as both
tight sluice
you find puck easier cause puck has an easier time escaping ganks when your lack...
no I find puck easier because his kit is literally insane for carrying games
you can rush bots
torn girder
Ye seli
tight sluice
and be everywhere
torn girder
Its so dumb lmao
vital pollen
most people suck at void
tight sluice
you literally can do everything
vital pollen
cause they misuse their skills/misjudge their damage or initiate and dont manage to get out again
buoyant sage
though, you cant ignore the fact that even if you do good mechanically, either you or your 4 other team mates will lack a lot of map awareness and strategical decisions
not saying you cant hard try anyway but still
at that rank, I mean
vital pollen
even if youre a god gamer, youll lose a lot of games
i think thats your problem
you think that because you are "beyond" the skill level of your current mmr, youre supposed to win like 3/4 games or smth
when even the absolute top-tier pros
torn girder
Nah im pretty sure as a decent mid you can jump yourself out of 1k mmr in no time lol
Mid is op as fuck
Especially in low mmr
vital pollen
dont have more than 56-58% winrate at their skill level
torn girder
Just have a brain
buoyant sage
Mid is op as fuck
I agree
vital pollen
like
tight sluice
I expect to win 100% of the time
torn girder
Yea first realize you are shit hataro
torn girder
There is a reason you are 1k
vital pollen
had ~56% winrate in the inhouse leagues
tight sluice
Yea first realize you are shit hataro
I do realize I'm shit
I literally have said I don't know what to do to win those difficult games
torn girder
Your laning is probably a lot more trash than you think
vital pollen
some of the best players in the world are sitting at 55-57% winrates atm. so yeah, climbing mmr is hard because its a grind, and there will be a lot of games where you feel like you didnt do anything wrong
torn girder
Lol most of the time enemy team will just make a mistake in late game
By just getting caught
They wont all go sit in base
1 idiot walks out
Always
tight sluice
they just walk as 5 tho
torn girder
Especially in that bracket
tight sluice
how you ever catching anyone
torn girder
Group with your team and fight them or try to bait bkbs and then fight them
Need to press your spells better
Or you got out late drafted
vital pollen
if you wanna climb fast, dont learn heroes. learn the game. understand map movement, understand powerspikes, understand hero compositions and synergies, and play around your team. itll make you a better plaer longterm, and teach you skills that are applicable in all skill brackets.
if you just focus on how to get out of 1k the fastest, youll just be stuck at 2k or 3k instead, and the skills you learned in 1k wont help you against better players anymore. but gamesense and understanding will always be a path to victory.
torn girder
And you lose cause you didnt end
See a big problem in that bracket is
The carries are fucking
TRASSHHHHHH
and i mean
Literal plankton in the fucking ocean
Unicellular organism
Has the worst farming patterns in the fucking universe
You give him free game
tight sluice
if you wanna climb fast, dont learn heroes. learn the game. understand map movem...
problem is and I learned this in league, the shit that works in high mmr does not work in low mmr because they just ignore the rules of the game anyway
tight sluice
The carries are fucking
yes they are lmfao
on god I can't count howmany games as mid I play where I'm like ok you've had 30 mins to farm u should be hug
still has 1 item
but
when it's reversed and I'm carry
torn girder
Ye its actually infuriating
vital pollen
problem is and I learned this in league, the shit that works in high mmr does no...
congratulations, you missed my entire point
tight sluice
mid is useless and sits mid the whole game
tight sluice
congratulations, you missed my entire point
no I didn't
torn girder
I didnt read sentence before
tight sluice
I get you seli I believe 100% in learning the game over learning tricks to get you out of X bracket
vital pollen
im talking about acquiring skills that are applicable at all skill levels, your response is "yeah but that stuff doesnt work at low skill levels"
tight sluice
I am like that in every game I want to learn how to play properly
torn girder
There are no tricks lol
tight sluice
but sometimes playing properly just doesn't work
torn girder
The best “trick” is spam a hero
Watch videos and shit
Tbh
Watch pro replays
Watching pro replays teaches a lot
vital pollen
wanna know a simple trick that will get you a few percentage of winrate? understand powerspikes, both hero-level based ones, and item-based ones, and coordinate your team to not fight until you hit those powerspikes. there. that works on ALL levels.
torn girder
There are things you are probably doing in lane that are shit and things you are not doing that are super op
vital pollen
no matter how godlike your carry is
if you fight 500g before he finishes bkb
your odds of winning a teamfight are significantly lower
as if you waited another minute
only difference in low mmr?
its gonna take the dude 2minutes to farm 500g instead of 1
torn girder
but sometimes playing properly just doesn't work
Idk why you are trying to ignore the advice because “shit players dont follow the rules”
Honestly garbage excuse
You will stay shit forever if that is your mindset
vital pollen
the game uses the same rules at all skill levels
heroes are stronger at certain levels
heroes are stronger with certain items
maybe you still lose the fight after waiting for your enigma to farm his blink, because he blinks and misses his blackhole. but your odds of winning the fight were still a lot higher than if you went int oteh fight without him having a blink
torn girder
You can also try heroes like death prophet
Annoying as fuck in lane and just takes structures
vital pollen
if you think youre better than the monkeys in your team, your winchance will increase if you can control the monkeys
torn girder
Leshrac is good too
torn girder
Stop playing multiplayer games
vital pollen
people who smurf and have 100% winrate in 30 games on TA don't do it because they farm faster or have shorter reaction times. they do it because they are aware that their fellow teammates are bad, but they understand how they play and play around that.
no matter how godly you are, youre not gonna win dota 1v5
tight sluice
Stop playing multiplayer games
stop existing cause I have this problem IRL if I show someone how to do something if they don't immediately pick it up I'm like fuck off and let me do it
vital pollen
you mean like
torn girder
Not a good way to go about life
vital pollen
a guy who asks for advice in a dota thread, is given advice, and dismisses it seemingly being unwilling to listen and learn?
torn girder
tight sluice
I'm listening
vital pollen
yeah
just move to the side
ill play your account to 4k
so you can play it down again
tight sluice
no
vital pollen
if you wanna learn
tight sluice
I was kidding about boosting I don't want to be boosted then I didn't earn it
torn girder
You have to realize hataro that if you are hardstuck 1k then its not just your teammates bro
So calm down
tight sluice
I'm not blaming them DK
torn girder
And realize you are just as bad as them
vital pollen
eye opening, even for me
tight sluice
I'm literally saying "what do I do when the game goes to shit how to I win those"
torn girder
When the game goes to shit its hard lol
But if you are puck you have to cut waves and shit
Make it hard for your opponent to push
Basically what mizu said
vital pollen
you can watch that video i linked 5times
and youll still learn smth new
you can see grubby is stressed cause its so muich to take in, but it paid dividend big time
and he hard-carried that game as a result
torn girder
Items like hex can flip the game around because you catch the enemy core with it and win a fight off it
Tbh
If you really wanna learn you can post your replays or some shit here
And people can watch if they wanna give advice
vital pollen
for real
watch grubby
hes a noob
in terms of game sense
but he obviously has a lot of game knowledge from other games
just like you
torn girder
But ye some of the best knowledge you can get is from some of these videos
vital pollen
he has so many pros supporting him and coaching him in individual games
torn girder
Pro replays are immensely helpful legit
vital pollen
ceb did 2 streams with grubby, and the s4 one was by far the best
torn girder
Before I try any hero i go and watch some vids of pros playing it
To see things they do
vital pollen
its why you dont wanna build attackrange items on razor
buoyant sage
ceb did 2 streams with grubby, and the s4 one was by far the best
what if I dont like s4
tight sluice
Ta is busted mid laner too for low brackets
eh
torn girder
torn girder
depends on the game
tight sluice
which by then the game can be extremely rough
torn girder
but she is an omega fast farmer lmao
buoyant sage
I mean TA is my most played but
TA smoll pp energy, Clock chad
tight sluice
but she is an omega fast farmer lmao
no doubt but she lacks alot of agency
tight sluice
although
she shits on most lanes outside of her hardcounters
and you shove wave ssuper fast with her
I love TA honestly
buoyant sage
ye Ill probably watch but s4 is def horrible to listen to 
vital pollen
you could tell that grubby was really getting overwhelmed, but as is his nature, he endured it and learned a lot from that one game/session
especially in regards to timing on when to push your advantage, both in the laning stage, as well as in the mid/lategame
torn girder
wait are you like not abusing last pick mid hataro
why are we getting veno mid countered
tight sluice
most games
ye but somegames I have to pick mid 4
I usually don't lock TA then
play puck if it's not banned cause it's harder to counter
you don't always get to last pick cause your team will grief you and you'll lose all your gold
buoyant sage
you could tell that grubby was really getting overwhelmed, but as is his nature,...
yeh the RTS overwhelming state
he knows well haha
tight sluice
@torn girderalso picks work weird
sometimes you just get blind countered
cause both teams last pick at the same time
torn girder
ye
tahts just unluck
but veno mid isn't something i'd ever expect as TA last pick
unless im a streamer and get sniped
tight sluice
bro I play vs supports mid
torn girder
or banned out some other conventional ta counter and guy read me
buoyant sage
that and the fact that pick phase is too short, like in 30s you have to decide the fate of your game
while blind pick is out there
hate that shit, always thought they should add more time for each ppl
like 15 more seconds
tight sluice
I appreciate you guys advice
buoyant sage
dota is an overwhelming game, you need to process so much things comparing to similar game types
closer to a RTS like Starcraft than a MOBA like league
give you time, master your own map/game vision/awareness, if you're core and in difficulty, dodge fights
tight sluice
I find
in comparison to league
dota is not as structured
league is very structured
tight sluice
it pretty much is
buoyant sage
split push, hide in trees, tp on the other side of the map, play with fog and vision range depending on day and night
did the support ward there? if I pass between those trees, will the creepwave will reveal my position? etc.. etc...
tight sluice
and depending on skill level the lane should play out the same way 100% of the time
in fact the best way to play lane in league is, get level 2, kill or force flash
recall after 3rd wave crash
catch wave bouncing
slow push and kill them
every game
you can climb to diamond following that template in league for laning anyway
distant yoke
ofc when you become good enough at a game it seems more structured
buoyant sage
dota is not as structured
exactly what I mean yes, I see the game as a semi ordered "sandbox" where you can adapt with your pick, your item build and your creativity depending on your position
theres always something to do
always
gank mid at 4 min and force a support rotation is already a win
100g for a support is a lot
if you're pos 1, what hero the P3 will be?
axe? ok, very low armor level 1
you can smash his face lvl 1 with your support and he will think twice before going in or what
even if you dont kill it's about putting pressure
offlane prevails in the current state of the game so offlaners are often cocky
play out of their mistakes
list every hero you're having trouble to deal with and read their stats/spells again, know your enemy as we say