but i like watching it
#Dota
versed matrix
ceb said it well
tight sluice
yeah so fun
versed matrix
league the worst thing about it is the game itself
tight sluice
pick aatrox and the other team can't win because there is no way to counter it anymore.
versed matrix
hype marketing, events etc are all good
tight sluice
anyways
burnt basin
pick aatrox and the other team can't win because there is no way to counter it a...
thast cause they are incompetent
versed matrix
dota the game itself is the best part
tight sluice
talking about league going to make me mad
burnt basin
pick irelia and aatrox auto loses
versed matrix
valve, tourneys and promotion suck
tight sluice
valve, tourneys and promotion suck
this I will agree
riot is quite good at marketing and production
burnt basin
what riot is best at
tight sluice
but they also have a department 100% dedicated to esports
burnt basin
is taking an idea, and making it look and feel better for hte general public
they did it with league, they did it with TFT, they are doing it with valo
they will prolly do it with their MMO as well
tight sluice
does it even matter if TA is free farming in this game? LS/DP/pango outscale no?
burnt basin
no
they dont really
if ta has buriza and bkb
and presses bkb
they have no ocunter
errant tusk
na strongest region confirmed
burnt basin
and dont forget TA has a lesh with her
and this naix is not going bkb
so game is qq
naix needed radi this game to win
both to remove the shit ton of refractions and also to give miss chance to TA
the build was prolly midas radi halberd
btw fun fact radi works while naix is infested, so he would essentially be giving pango ult radiance
sadly TA went silver edge over buriza.... he has no dmg
TA no bkb, cant fight QQ
GG NA>world
tacit epoch
Ngl surprised to see lgd underperform
vital pollen
does it even matter if TA is free farming in this game? LS/DP/pango outscale no?
wouldve been more than fine if faith bian gets some farm
but mars had zero impact
severe sail
RNG/Boom still going
severe sail
Just brutal rat from RNG
tight sluice
tender fox
kinda weird lycan aghs can bite bear
vital pollen
yeah LGD is in a bit of a bad spot atm
losing against the "easy" teams
they might start lower bracket
severe sail
I love how the casters in RNG/Boom have just given up
Just sitting back and letting the game speak for itself
tender fox
wdym one of them tried to do some fake hype about someone dying when nothing was happening
super weird
tender fox
the wholpe event is just weird with everything being remote with casters and production
tender fox
butbut valve gotta keep 75% of donated monies 
versed matrix
who tf are even these casters
vital pollen
idk
versed matrix
I swear ive never seen like 50% of them
vital pollen
meanwhile
no bkop
are any of the good casters even casting groupstages?
like cap?
or lyrical
tender fox
just shitters first day
severe sail
There is the inherent production challenge of needing ~10-15 caster duos for the group stages and then just 3-4 for the main stage.
Valve is using basically all remote folks for the group stages probably to keep costs down
tender fox
Pgl*
valve rly should put more of the money in to the game/scene when they dont even bother to run the event themselves anymore
errant tusk
they are putting even less
there wont even be truesight from this ti
valve wont care
unless you're 2gd
tender fox
think they said it will be but it wont be released until next finals or something
severe sail
Valve and PGL are basically indistinguishable to me, if Valve told PGL to do something PGL would do it
burnt basin
there was a bogus meeting
that supposedly valve gathered all teams and told them they are planning to grow dota next year
honestly the only way i can see that happening is if they give over the majors to ESL same way they did with CS
my other secret hope is that other than the 4-5 heroes they will add from HoN
they get some of the devs of that game to work on dota from now on
maybe even bring more heroes in. that saves them the creative effort of making something that fits the game
because clearly they are failing at it , both marci and primal are not it
endless nerfs and still strong af, cause their base toolkit is too strong for this game
they feel like leaguesque heroes
dota 2 future looks grim though thats for sure
rocky moon
Makes TI feel cheap
Group stage was always madness of 4 parallel streams, main stage is where real TI begins
tight sluice
my other secret hope is that other than the 4-5 heroes they will add from HoN
Pls no
Hon was so stupid every new hero was giga overtuned on release
tacit epoch
Primal beast is super fun to play tho
severe sail
Group stage was always madness of 4 parallel streams, main stage is where real T...
The group stage was always madness but it also felt better than this. Also PGL's continued refusal to figure out a redzone style stream for group stages is a huge failure
They tried something like that back for TI5 and it didn't really work but they should absolutely do it
rocky moon
Maybe ru cast just never has been big production value during group stage but I don’t feel it being worse than before
tender fox
feels weird that the start time of teams with 3 games per day has over 10h between start of g1 and g3
especially when they moved finals 1 week ahead, could have spread games better
burnt basin
Pls no
they are adding puppet master and a couple of others i dont remember the name of. they have been datamined
burnt basin
especially when they moved finals 1 week ahead, could have spread games better
funnily enough, everyone in the league community is asking the opposite because thats exactly what riot has done XD i guess both sides have merits and drawbacks
but puppet master is all but confirmed @tender fox
tacit epoch
funnily enough, everyone in the league community is asking the opposite because ...
That's one advantage I thought TI had over worlds
Like why are you waiting for a week to finish the tournament?
It's not like football where you move to a different stadium and many ppl need to travel there
Feels like esports should take the advantage that they are so accessible
burnt basin
agreed
vital pollen
but puppet master is all but confirmed <@230740879126691840>
i wouldnt be so sure on that, considering that S2 stated pretty clearly that they are going to re-use hon assets (including hero design) for their new game and have no intention of selling them
burnt basin
hm
well there is for sure a data mine for a hero called "puppetmaster"
if its different, who knwos
vital pollen
yeah
there were also
18 other heroes datamined
they mightve just been preparing texture assets for a potential buy that never happened, who knows
burnt basin
those didnnt have their abilities available unless im mistaken?
vital pollen
theres also a puppet master character in dota underlords
burnt basin
like, from what i remember, they found the kit
burnt basin
they mightve just been preparing texture assets for a potential buy that never h...
thats actaully very possible
vital pollen
it had like
15 images linked to it as "spell icons"
but nothing beyond it
but yeah
it was pretty sad when s2 said theyre gonna make a new game with the hon hero assets
cause i wanted like
20+ heroes from hon to get into dota2 
burnt basin
so from what i can see
S2 games has shut down
do you have a recent comment on them making a new game?
cause they sold the hon assets to garena
when they made strife
yep S2 doesnt exist anymore, defunct in 2018 @vital pollen
vital pollen
yeah
tight sluice
I remember that shit was annoying af
vital pollen
frostburn studios took over hon
tacit epoch
Bring out the gambler
burnt basin
frostburn studios took over hon
they shut everything down too.
maybe what u saw is an old interview or sth?
tight sluice
fuck gemini
sorry 6 armband full build buy 6 500g item and destroy everyone in game
it's not really meepo wannab e
although kinda tho
vital pollen
they shut everything down too.
doesnt change the fact that the assets lie with garena
tacit epoch
Haven't recent heroes been completely original?
burnt basin
i get that but i havent seen any mentions of them making a new game
vital pollen
doesnt mean that valve can just use copyrighted hero designs
burnt basin
agreed
tight sluice
SELI BLESS MY PUBS
burnt basin
but there was a big convo back in may if u had seen
tight sluice
DELIVER ME FROM THESE AM MID PICKER
burnt basin
where there was a talk about how valve bought some, if not all rights
vital pollen
we might see hon heroes. id love to
burnt basin
guess we will find out before finals/after TI
vital pollen
but a bunch of reworks or shards weve seen at this point are pretty hon-esque
burnt basin
thats when the announcements usually happen
vital pollen
so im not sure if thats gonna happen
burnt basin
i mean i dont think most heroes will be implemented
but there are some originals that would fit well
anyone say silhouette?
just me?
😛
tight sluice
oh silhouette was fun af
vital pollen
all the carry heroes suck ass
and were super broken
since all those heroes just had too much synergy within their own skills
vital pollen
so you had shit like silhouette, EW, nomad, panda, midas etc.
burnt basin
agreed
rocky moon
is this Koji's alt account?
burnt basin
but i think its the only way the game survives
vital pollen
heroes should synergize with one another, not be powerhouses by themselves
only good hero design hon had was their int/support heroes
burnt basin
same way league keeps spewing bullshit with selfhealing/dmg ignore/ dash/gold increase/xp increase
vital pollen
but the agi/str ones sucked ass
vital pollen
but shit like myrmidon, chipper, bombardier, puppet master, pearl, ophelia, rhapsody, revenant, riftwalker, gravekeeper, kinesis
vital pollen
were all really fucking good
burnt basin
so either u shake things up or u die
vital pollen
well, ophelia is chen, but yeah
rocky moon
so either u shake things up or u die
tell that to sc1
vital pollen
parasite would be fucking awesome with current neutral mob design
burnt basin
dead game played in one country
rocky moon
no balance changes in 20+ years
burnt basin
cmon bruh
rocky moon
still evolving
rocky moon
viewers do
burnt basin
i guess people will alwasy play dota in cis
burnt basin
parasite would be fucking awesome with current neutral mob design
trueeee
rocky moon
and scale of the game has nothing to do with your argument "shake up or die"
burnt basin
if u dont consider sc a dead game in comparison to where it was
i dont know what to tell you
vital pollen
dota has been in maintenance mode for a while
burnt basin
its like saying wow is not a dead game
vital pollen
and its doing fine
rocky moon
it was popular in Korea and it still is popular there despite not having any changes to balance
rocky moon
you were talking about no changes
vital pollen
dota dies when icefrog stops caring about it
rocky moon
nothing about big brands was mentioned
burnt basin
dota dies when icefrog stops caring about it
my hot take is that ice frog has left the building for a while
the changes that have been made since last year
are minimal laughable changes
vital pollen
then why would he be credited in every valve project to date
burnt basin
some new hotshots have taken over
vital pollen
just like every other valve employee
burnt basin
cause he is the creator?
vital pollen
youre just tinfoil-hatting a bunch of stuff
burnt basin
i assume he owns rights? but has stopped actively working on the game?
vital pollen
with no evidence
burnt basin
i did say it was a hot take
tacit epoch
the changes that have been made since last year
Meta seems pretty diverse tho?
burnt basin
with zero proof to back it up
burnt basin
jsut go check the last 2 "big" patches
tacit epoch
What is garbage about it?
burnt basin
and compare them with the previous years
vital pollen
they didnt wanna rock the boat before TI, theyve tried that 3y ago and it fucking sucked
burnt basin
i truly hope you are correct
vital pollen
What is garbage about it?
the fact that maybe 2 out of the 5 heroes in each team are "off meta", if even
burnt basin
but BTS being cut off, the way TI is being handled, the way the BP shaped up to be
i dno
it all points to bleak times
vital pollen
theres a heropool of like 40 heroes now
and the rest is unplayable in competitive dota
game used to pride itself on "only 4 heroes werent picked" and while thats still true most events, theres like 50+ heroes that were picked once or twice
every position in teh game you have a valid hero pool of like 5-7 heroes
tacit epoch
My 100 heroes picked prediction not looking too hot now
burnt basin
i just think dota needs some kind of large shock. its been on life support for a while imo. you can even see it from viewer interest, compared to other years on all majors not just TI
and most of the OG players have families now and are old
in all honesty i just hope ESL gets the production of DPC
and not fuckin PGL
make it a combo package deal with CS XD
vital pollen
pos5: dazzle, undying, disruptor, chen, ench, snap
pos4: shaker, primal, tiny, marci, clock, tusk, nyx
pos3: mars, beastmaster, viper, primal, enigma
pos2: puck, lesh, zeus, pango, silencer, sf, ember
pos1: morph, sf, void, LD, pudge
thats about the heropool
thats viable atm
tacit epoch
Naga pos 1?
burnt basin
marci and CM are also playe das 5
vital pollen
yeah some can flex a bit more
burnt basin
lot of CMs i think actually
vital pollen
but still
burnt basin
no ure right
vital pollen
the pool of heroes that teams are picking from for each position
burnt basin
of course
vital pollen
is super small
vital pollen
heroes like earthspirit or sandking are just straightup worse than shaker/tiny for example
burnt basin
and that is because they are beefy and everyone nerd runs at each other earliy game
vital pollen
cause they dont have good shards
tacit epoch
I guess
I was thinking more of just your average dota games balance
I feel like games have this weird state
vital pollen
support hero viability atm is based on whether they have good agh shards
tacit epoch
Where early game does not matter too much
It's kinda surprisingly easy to recover
Get an important kill midgame and you swing hard
vital pollen
pos5 in particular is super trash now
cause only heroes with high damage/mana efficiency are playable safelane
vital pollen
if your nuke at lvl1 isnt doing at least 80-100damage or costs more than 100 mana, the hero is not playable
WD was picked twice today
same as dazzle
but yeah
meta is boring
burnt basin
need map changes
and maybe a secondary objective of less value
yes time to scalp league, they have done it to us year after year
games should not be alloewd to go 3 hours XD
vital pollen
theres 10 heroes with >50% pick/ban-rate, 30 heroes with >33% rate and when we hit 40heroes we're already down to 20%
vital pollen
most notably though, the pool of heroes that get 1st phase pick/ban is super fucking small
burnt basin
though i guess to be fair, the teams that picked naga and sniper did not really understand how to play around it
vital pollen
naga won 5/7 games
but yeah anyway
its only day1
things might change as some teams show up strong with certain drafts
vital pollen
that other teams will copy going into day2/3 to secure themselves a good playoff spot
burnt basin
i thought it was 2/7 wins
vital pollen
visage/clock/bat seem to struggle more than expected
burnt basin
who do u have on upper bracket seli?
vital pollen
idk
this TI is fucking weird
EG 6-0, most of the topteams drawing a lot or even losing
but day1 has always been weird as fuck
burnt basin
bat is not surprising the nerfs did get him pretty well. and the new meta of midlaners dont really care for bat i wanna say?
like, pango and primal dont care
vital pollen
theres only 4 good teams this tourney: lgd, spirit, secret, rng
burnt basin
theres only 4 good teams this tourney: lgd, spirit, secret, rng
i take it u did not watch eg today
they looked like its 2017 again
no joke
even when they did their best to throw to lgd
they brought it back
vital pollen
they looked like their opponents didnt load into the game
tacit epoch
Idk I think they fucked up with lgd
burnt basin
pretty convincinglytoo
tacit epoch
Lgd despite it's losses still looking mega scary
burnt basin
i dno
rtz looked good
abed looked good
RTZ is a win more carry, imo his mental plays a huge role
vital pollen
you mean the rtz that got solokilled by a pos5 lich going highground?
or the rtz that whiffed multiple chronos?
vital pollen
EG didnt look good. their opponents just played badly
vital pollen
theres a difference between a team winning and an opponent losing
vital pollen
eg won vs lgd, but they didnt impress me with their gameplay
burnt basin
but i get you you aint wrong
burnt basin
i mean thats lgd though right
that TA game though at the end was sad
i dont understand his build
vital pollen
scoreline was 0-15 and EG had no lane control whatsoever. they just played according to how LGD wanted them to play, and thats why they almost lost the game despite the ridiculous lead
burnt basin
nono im talking about the soniqs second game
lgd OG is gonna eb a banger tmrw
though its at 7am fml
(my time)
thoughts on OG?
surprised u put secret above them
unless its a momentum thing
vital pollen
good vid
buoyant sage
will watch later, but sadge
buoyant sage
I mean I didnt watch the video
vital pollen
yeah
hes not quitting dota
hes just talking about how the endless bitching isnt really helpful
and whats going well
cause the community is shitting on everything
so hes putting out some thoughts on what he thinks valve is doing well
(which means people will hate him for not joining the negative circlejerk, which is why hes calling it a career ender)
burnt basin
u know what this video reminds me?
the taliesin videos talking about the positives of blizzard
tacit epoch
Those ain't bad
burnt basin
exactly
tacit epoch
As long as tali doesn't talk politics 👀
buoyant sage
(which means people will hate him for not joining the negative circlejerk, which...
I see
good to hear
burnt basin
the point of being the best meta and best viewing xperience i disagree with
but it seem well enough
vital pollen
for a regular viewer/player
its better
what im doing is highend bitching
games are very fastpaced
lots of action, lots of kills
burnt basin
i dno about you
vital pollen
some nice turnarounds
vital pollen
we typically have 10-20kills by minute 10
for viewers thats amazing
i play pos4
its not relevant tho
burnt basin
so u basically got the most freedom on the map
i feel in my games the part aobut the meta being ass
vital pollen
laning stage is over by minute 8-10
burnt basin
if u have the feel that you dont have the same comeback possibiltiies u used to
its also the state of the meta no?
burnt basin
im hovering around 5,5-6k for years
vital pollen
if youre losing the game, its not because of a bad draft or bad laning, but because of bad play
tacit epoch
Isn't this meta easier for comebacks?
vital pollen
the hero-meta doesnt affect pubs
burnt basin
ive never seen people just straight up grief so much
and give up
ofc it could be recency bias
vital pollen
and dota has always been like this. people watch prodota and project what they see there onto their pub games and its bullshit
i carried a game with pos1 lina 2days ago
burnt basin
oh ive seen those too
vital pollen
my buddy carried a game as mid CM
its just shitty excuses for not needing to improve
burnt basin
bracket matters too though
i can play at 4k bracket and have fun by doing whatever the fuck i want
but when immortal players have gone to that mentality
vital pollen
"oh yeah we had no chance to win cause bad draft" - guess what, youre not supposed to win every game, and you learn more from losing than from winning. but people arnet learning anything from losing
burnt basin
something feels off
but i guess its subjective
ive never broken an item/stopped trying / ran it down in my life, i just cant do it
i might get tilted the fuck out and start spewing toxicity faster than you can say kingsbane
but not this shit thats been happening the past month
vital pollen
yeah
burnt basin
but u are prolly right
burnt basin
and its a general feeling that turns into confirmation bias
vital pollen
so people return that havent played in a while
or new players start playing
obviously game quality goes down
burnt basin
but its immortal bracket man...
vital pollen
multiple high-stakes tourneys being played back to back leading up to TI
burnt basin
how does the quality go down there
vital pollen
so people just play what they see was good/working
burnt basin
ye ure prolly right sigh
vital pollen
instead of thinking outside the box
burnt basin
its just so depressing
tacit epoch
Unranked games are wild
burnt basin
i aint gonna lie the reason i started thinking about playing DF is because dota has become unplayable
tacit epoch
Ppl come in with 2 games played
vital pollen
sounds like youre part of the problem
burnt basin
im sorry but i dont see how i'm at fault when 5 games in a row my pos 5/4 dies twice in lane and starts running it down mid 🙂
when noone even talks to him
i am the problem when i get toxic af
im prolly the largest part of the problem
but mental booming supports have become prevalent
ive started playing 5 to get some peace of mind
vital pollen
shit happens, go next. odds of an idiot being in the enemy team is 100%, odds in your team are 80%. unless ofc you also do a bunch of negative/disruptive shit, then its 100% on both sides
burnt basin
like i said ure prolly right. recency plus confirmation bias
vital pollen
high divine/low immortal is the worst mmr-region
burnt basin
because people believe they are actually good and know everything
so they take no advice
vital pollen
bunch of people who think they know what theyre doing, only blame others and are averse to learning
burnt basin
😛
literallt said the same thing
ye
i mean im not trying to improve anymore tbh, ive hit 6k i know i cant go higher without devoting more time than i can spare
tight sluice
shit happens, go next. odds of an idiot being in the enemy team is 100%, odds in...
one of the things I love about this game coming from league is so many variables make me constantly question did I do this right?
buy right items?
was my pick good?
burnt basin
item thing is prolly the biggest one
there are heroes that have an endless list of viable items/item combinations
(endless is an exaggeration)
the example i use most lately is naga
there are like 5 different viable builds depending on what u play with/against
burnt basin
@vital pollen ty for the talk
burnt basin
ok picking drow in pubs is no more
drow is actually great rn
but u gotta ban mars and primal
especially mars 😛
tight sluice
just play ursa to stomp low pubs drow is too sketchy
burnt basin
u can win low pubs just on fundamentals
tight sluice
or pl
burnt basin
hero doesnt matter most of the times
burnt basin
unless u have 4 people running it down XD
tight sluice
hero doesnt matter most of the times
hero does matter
there are heroes that are just not as self sufficient as others
burnt basin
that also depends on lane and the way u wanna play\
if u play early gamers u drag ur team to early rosh after winning ur lane
if u play late gamers u ignore htem and farm with the correct patterns (and also buy wards urself)
burnt basin
hero does matter
in essence u are not wrong but there are things u can do to minimize that
tight sluice
I used to love playing PA but she feels so bad since nerfs and this meta is so fast for her
burnt basin
!
in pubs pa is absolutely playable
but needs the correct space
and prolly last pick to know what ur lane opponent is gonna be
burnt basin
i mean ye u cant spam one hero
like u can do in league
and honestly it is a good thing that pa is not a hero u can pick at all times as a carry
that would mean her kit other than her RNG ult is strong
and if u add that busted crit to a strong kit
tight sluice
she was so good for a week
burnt basin
i mean
shes not am
shes just not "good"
in fact i actually think shes good into enigma
vital pollen
good vid from slacks
tight sluice
there is a league thread
burnt basin
slacks a real one. amazing video
tight sluice
if you want to post in ther e
tight sluice
i pinged u
burnt basin
ty
vital pollen
did lgd wash their faces today?
vital pollen
yeah
rng/aster/lgd all going 2-0 in pretty stompy games
think entity gonna get stomped by aster game1 as well
tender fox
that new drow cosmetic make her look so slow 
vital pollen
the arcana?
ye
it looks a bit weird once you get high attackspeed
shooting a crossbow that fast
rocky moon
team spirit picked tempo pick and got outtempoed it seems
tender fox
group a just feel so much more interesting
tender fox
wouldnt say gg but liquid
vital pollen
yeah GG only had easy games so far
liquid has momentum coming from LCQ
psure aster gonna win one teamfight and then the game is over
tender fox
oh first low kill game
vital pollen
ye
theyre just running down objectives
had some nice lane swaps
pushing brood to toplane by laning mars/snap bottom
where she against LD
tender fox
brood have sucked all games ive seen it picked
but mostly entity that played it and tundra
vital pollen
its good if it can pressure a support once it hits 6
and just sits in the enemy jungle by herself
while the rest of the team roams
tender fox
i wonder how little prizepool % bottom 2 in groups get
since they added extra teams
not announced
rocky moon
Sounds like poe)
tender fox
isnt it just spectator lag cus other region
rocky moon
Curious what’s the issue really is it
Client waiting for server to tell what’s happening
vital pollen
yeah its just
lots of units getting hit in the same tick
and having to calculate crit dmg and stuff
rocky moon
Client could ideally simulate it I guess
tender fox
spirit crushed by TA 
rocky moon
Spirit picked NS and didn’t really utilise it well
vital pollen
forcing buyback and winning fight without using requiem or guardian angel
stiff pebble
tender fox
lol apparently betboom keep running bat pos1? 
rocky moon
Also they seem to be in a studio, at least some commentators
Dunno how is it for eu side
tender fox
a few on stream a seem to be in a studio but most from their bed room
some pgl studio in norway
vital pollen
jesus
aster/entity having some nice action
theyve been sitting/fightring around rosh pit
for like 4minutesn ow
these nyx stuns
bear casually kills meleerax in 4hits
are they blind? theyre stnading on top of an obs with a gem and not killing it?!??!
sick game
kataomi mvp
but people gonna jack off the morph cause he didnt die
burnt basin
sooo looks like seli was right? EG got 2-0ed by liquid?
fuck the timezones
gotta watch the games later
rocky moon
I think he simply wants to distant himself from anything Russian which is more than understandable
tender fox
nyx seem very popular this ti
torn girder
Spirit getting clapped by latam
burnt basin
nyx always goes on this up and down phase
its until people remember how to ward against her
tender fox
crystallis cs 
burnt basin
then she becomes ass agai
ive been ranting about crystallis csing for an hour yday
no more :p
tender fox
5 cs and vs a brood also 4 min in and he even got a double kill and had free lane for a while
tender fox
u dont rush bots anymore?
vital pollen
buoyant sage
no
vital pollen
you get travels at lv 6/12/18
buoyant sage
dagger first is the play
vital pollen
for buildings/creeps/heroes
tender fox
spirit coming back vs thunder
vital pollen
glad to see support sven making a comeback tho
burnt basin
uhm
am i missing something
whose draft is that
watching secret
that shit si the greediest thing i have ever seen
which heroes are the supports
versed matrix
looks like og got stomped by lgd in less than an hour
tender fox
u either play 3 or 2 games per day
g 1,3,5 or 2,4
except for last day with fewer games
buoyant sage
when was it
tender fox
2nd game day 2 stream a like 7
torn girder
Spirit bringing it back
tender fox
troll winning a game
tender fox
guess ult is ok if u can use full duration during bh or just so far ahead it doesnt matter
torn girder
Dunno
Hero is really shit
You just run from it during bkb and then spam eul and halberd
tender fox
click a button to lose controll is just so
buoyant sage
I saw a buddy of mine "throwing" a team fight by pressing ultimate on Troll in a game
vital pollen
think troll ult would be fine
buoyant sage
like wth
vital pollen
if it didnt lock you onto a hero
buoyant sage
yes
vital pollen
its so dumb
vital pollen
looks like pure just didnt wanna play anymore
calling gg and insta ragequit
with entire team alive
buoyant sage
yikes
tender fox
draft way to greedy
tender fox
how did they even think there would be farm enough for tinker+brood+dusa
vital pollen
xxs easily top3 offlaners this TI
if not the best
people making fun of his mars game earlier where he missed a bunc hof spears
but like, its impossible to hit spear on brood
when shes cliffwalking and shit
tender fox
lgd-liquid u mean
tender fox
clutch black hole
buoyant sage
misha playing the most handsome and powerful and stylish hero in the game
a man of culture
vital pollen
treant?
buoyant sage
chill the fuck out daddy
vital pollen
so liquid only gets a snatched aegis
nothing is said about it
"he doesnt get the steal"
xinq pings the item in chat
observer moves cam to fountain
burnt basin
im watching gorg with yapzor
vital pollen
mouseover the shard 3times
burnt basin
fuck the casters
vital pollen
casters still dont get it
how can you be this fucking dogshit at your job but get employed at the biggest tournament for the business youre in
errant tusk
coz noone serious wants to work in that industry 
coz why would they
if you're caster in a regular sport or some other stable thing
why would you join unstable thing that could just be like
ok we shut down dota 2
fuck u
ggnoobs
see you
because valve can do that
errant tusk
there doesnt need to be esport scene for that
errant tusk
its same with sports psychologists/sports lawyers (contract lawyers?) idk how to call that really
burnt basin
bristle smorcing lgd
errant tusk
like you arent getting the best of the best people
versed matrix
dogshit cast
burnt basin
am i crazy? isnt it good vs all their heroes?
(ok maybe not primal, but nothing is good vs primal)
buoyant sage
idk but they probably wanted a melee carry to frontline along Tiny
burnt basin
just watch gorgc stream no issue with cast
its what im doing ye
vital pollen
casters just not even noticing the tombstone on the wardspot
burnt basin
the only acceptable stream is the one Godz is casting
vital pollen
that was the onyl reason liquid didnt get demolished in that fight
buoyant sage
ame out there laying on the couch
burnt basin
primal is balanced guys
versed matrix
bristle is donezo
errant tusk
liquid lost to gaben
versed matrix
im pretty sure they knew the smoke was there
hawk killed by lina and pink drew a line on the map
tacit epoch
Lina getting dd rune twice in a row
tender fox
lina just pewpew with dd
errant tusk
i wanna see patch where tiny isnt broken
yet to see one
i wonder why teams gave up on dp that much
but she appears from time to time
still busted
buoyant sage
what you say about my stone boi 
buoyant sage
yes 
errant tusk
his shard was broken some time ago
he did get free bfury from shard
so people did echo sabre/shard in minute 15
or later moonshard/shard
and if you came close to him you dead
buoyant sage
yeh it was the previous patch, hero design is just insanely good
errant tusk
there was some other broken iteration of tiny along the way where you played him as 1 again
and they nerfed it and everyone be like
well toss still op
and hero does 1k burst lvl 7 anyway
buoyant sage
avalanche too, always relevant
errant tusk
that hero design is horrendous
they fix his biggest drawback which is lack of armour with ult
and its even 'green' armour
so its better
coz doesnt get fucked by stuff like drows ult
or ET aura
like wtf bro
and since right click tiny is kinda bad now because of that perma AS penalty
people just go for aghs and still can scale main hand dps
like dude fuck off
just nerf him for 1 patch
buoyant sage
ye thats an anomaly, about the drow/TC stuff
I just loved spamming it as pos 4
I dont anymore since I stick on marci/hoodwink/clock/MK
buoyant sage
but ye hero is so powerful
errant tusk
but i like playing mk 1 
tender fox
rng clowning gg
buoyant sage
yeh kinda
vital pollen
RNG is looking real good
buoyant sage
esp at my rank 
errant tusk
i think people sleep on hoodwink a bit
errant tusk
ah also tusk is very popular
tusk has rly good toolkit
also if you manage to get aghs eventually in lategame
its possibly strongest highground defence
coz you can just kick someone into t4s/fountain
buoyant sage
def love to kick some butts
errant tusk
i think some regions played tusk mid even
versed matrix
gpk tusk
buoyant sage
yeh its very good, punch over bkb
errant tusk
i remember nouns did it
tight sluice
RNG is looking real good
aren't you a big somnus enjoyer?
buoyant sage
you can rly vaporize ennemy supports too
tight sluice
buoyant sage
errant tusk
unless he fixes his mental he isnt achieving anything
tight sluice
it actually amazes me that valve allows people like gpk to play in pro with his behavior in pubs
buoyant sage
game 2 lets go
errant tusk
coz if they had to ban people that behave shit in pubs
they'd need to ban almost everyone in pro scene
tight sluice
I mean no
errant tusk
coz they are all saying racist shit/telling people to kill themselves and so on
from time to time
tight sluice
if you banned one or two then the rest would begin to behave
errant tusk
maybe
tight sluice
riot wouldn't tolerate that you'd be banned for life
buoyant sage
they'd need to ban almost everyone in pro scene
including Ceb 
errant tusk
and there is accounts like
gpk smurf#7
nisha smurf#22
like
these people have fucking 50 accs
more to that
they fucking acc share with their friends/teammates
like wtf
how is that allowed???
vital pollen
aren't you a big somnus enjoyer?
ye
maybe is
best mid player
has been for half a decade
errant tusk
actually i cant even flame
coz he kinda is
like him and fy
couldnt humanly play better in ti8 finals
like you just cant play better than what somnus/fy did in that final
tight sluice
ti8 final was so good
vital pollen
like you just cant play better than what somnus/fy did in that final
ye
i think he might have some personality issues
and so he struggles to really mesh well with his team
but hes just so fucking good at playing mid
theres like
old sumail
nisha
maybe
who are at an insane level
cause they win mid when they shouldnt
most other mids are very good, but they struggle when they have a lane mismatch
buoyant sage
vital pollen
kinda funny looking at the 3 coaches from the chinese teams
all old dota gods
xiao8/LanM/Super
meanwhile NA coaches bulba/clairvoyance
buoyant sage
yeh the clutch hook
I member
when he went out of the booth happy af cause he was struggling irl money wise
ok gg
lmao
buoyant sage
what you see before getting nasal goo'd to death
vital pollen
quinn gaming
vital pollen
what you see before getting firstblooded mid at level 4
buoyant sage
vital pollen
only needs to coil sniper anyway
errant tusk
ye
q is movement too
when i think about it
so yea cant do shit
and pango never buys bkb
vital pollen
gotta love it
when your safelaner just helps secuire a kill
played with friend a few days ago
0 kill attendance 20mins in
just rushing straight battlefure on am/pa
errant tusk
gorgc with hot takes that sny is useless
i guess he never played into axe
coz thats counter to axe
vital pollen
ye
errant tusk
thats the only way to protect yourself from axe
errant tusk
ye
vital pollen
but lgd is on a timer imo
if puck keeps dying in the engagements
theyre just gonna be too weak post minute30
sniper pretty good against phoenix
but i do think theyll struggle with killing the supernova
errant tusk
zai is playing well