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vital pollen
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after ame

errant tusk
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  • big outplay potential
vital pollen
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ye

errant tusk
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its same with tb

vital pollen
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he usually rushes aghs

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and ta

vital pollen
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on morph

errant tusk
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most of the carries can play it well

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coz its fun heroes

vital pollen
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and then just does some sick hero plays

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with extra skills

errant tusk
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ye aghs is busted now

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imo

vital pollen
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shard as well

errant tusk
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or at least very toxic

vital pollen
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just giving

errant tusk
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people dont rly buy shard

vital pollen
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10million stats

errant tusk
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i mean i buy shard coz im bad

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and you can morph while stunned

vital pollen
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ye

errant tusk
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but pro players dont rly buy shard

vital pollen
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in progames its rare

errant tusk
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coz they always get morph off

vital pollen
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but in pubs its huge

errant tusk
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ye

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its big on pubs because you arent that good right

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and its difference maker

vital pollen
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ye

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but ye idk

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undying is just

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pain

errant tusk
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i remember my 1st game of patch

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i didnt play for like 1-2 weeks of this patch

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and then i play 1st game

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i play into undying

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and lvl 2 he just dives me with tomb

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and im like HmmCoffee

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i guess

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he's just better

vital pollen
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ye

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while you have

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400 hp

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max hp

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and 250 current

errant tusk
vital pollen
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and then at 3

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he soulrips

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and just kills you

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and then maybe you kill him

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but its not even worth

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cause then he comes back with full mana

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and hes a pos5 and doesnt care

errant tusk
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ye its like sky

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you dont wanna kill him when he's out of mana

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because he comes back stronger

vital pollen
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zeus pick Weirdege

errant tusk
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well for enigma

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i guess

vital pollen
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dont really see tho

errant tusk
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its good vs sf too

vital pollen
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enigma pick came after

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but i dont really see

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how VP picks fights

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unless they play like

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bristle safelane now or smth

errant tusk
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bh + global LOLW

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ursa ban

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ursa 15 is rly cool

vital pollen
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i can see bristle here for VP

errant tusk
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they removed 300 hp talent and gave talent that is worded like 'earthshock applies 2 fury swipes'

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actually so nice

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actually insane

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marci got to last phase

vital pollen
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nah its banned

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first stage

errant tusk
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and only then someone banned her

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ye

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oh

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ye

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i see

vital pollen
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its weird

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goes from outside to inside

errant tusk
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ye got confused

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๐Ÿ˜„

vital pollen
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pyw shaker tho

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pyw one of the best pos4s atm

errant tusk
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man these drafts look like

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old dota

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idk

vital pollen
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ye

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lots of teamfight

errant tusk
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ye

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also nyx to spice it up

vital pollen
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ye but

errant tusk
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morph is kinda allright into slark nowadays

vital pollen
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morph

errant tusk
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it used to be huge counter to morph

vital pollen
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will just steal nyx

errant tusk
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but not as much anymore

vital pollen
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and destroy

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naa he will go into slark

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imo

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because thing is

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it steals 50 or 70 attack speed

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thats so much

vital pollen
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when he has aghs ye

errant tusk
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ye

vital pollen
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but carapace

errant tusk
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oh yea without aghs ofc nyx is one of the best morphs

vital pollen
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and stun

errant tusk
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carapace/stun/mana burn

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rly good spells

vital pollen
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dont really see how VP pressures on the lanes

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they just have enigma, which is always annoying

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but morph kinda doesnt care

errant tusk
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morph is very busted on lane now

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they overbuffed attribute shift

vital pollen
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he can lasthit pretty well

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vs enigma

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and then

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tide+shaker

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too powerful

errant tusk
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it used to be 2 stat/s and now its 5stat/s on lvl 1

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its so big

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even lvl 1 morph is good now

vital pollen
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but it costs mana now /s

errant tusk
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well it did last patch too

vital pollen
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yeah

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but its whatever

errant tusk
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it was free 2 patches ago tho

vital pollen
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on a hero

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that doesnt have manacosts

errant tusk
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its not actually

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last patch when it was 2 stats/second

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it was rly bad to get harassed hard before level 3

vital pollen
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ye

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but now its w/e

errant tusk
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coz you press 1 waveform to escape + full shift around

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and you're on 50 mana

vital pollen
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esp with undying

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= useless

vital pollen
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you just go

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now its much beetter yea

vital pollen
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full agi

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1 rip

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full hp

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nice hero

errant tusk
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ye

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abadon is good too

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with morph

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1 q from aba and you're fgull hp yep

vital pollen
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silencer vs shaker/tide

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oh they laneswap

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wait wtf

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are they doing

errant tusk
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ye its the classic

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avoiding lanes

vital pollen
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yeah

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vs ligma

errant tusk
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i guess they rly wanna avoid tide vs slark matchup

vital pollen
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ye

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xg still has their TPs ready tho

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smart

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after slark tps top

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wonder if theyll do smth about the bottle trade again

errant tusk
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only change they need to make is remove demonic conversion from enigma

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or w/e its called

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and keep that patch forever

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that mechanic doesnt have place in game right now

vital pollen
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ye

errant tusk
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denying creeps is way too strong

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you dont need to play the game in laning stage whatsoever

vital pollen
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pyw rotations pretty sick

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love watching his earth spirit play

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tactical haste rune

errant tusk
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i rly love how teams just play off the information sth is happening on the other side

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and they dont wait

vital pollen
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ye

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when i play pub and i see people react so slowly

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im so amd

vital pollen
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also the play around siege creep spawns

errant tusk
vital pollen
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is so good

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when enemy carry dies

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and you as carry see nothing happening

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you know

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you're about to die

vital pollen
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can be sick morph game in lategame tho

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with double tomstone

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or good ol

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morph/shaker

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oh nvm

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he cant do allied heroes anymore

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can he?

errant tusk
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you cant change into teammates anymore

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ye

vital pollen
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aight

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i feel like slark can take over the game

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but he's griefing

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coz died twice

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actually so bad of him

vital pollen
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lou just baiting him really well

errant tusk
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overextending imo

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he is most farmed hero on map

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you rly dont wanna give it aweay

vital pollen
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ye

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but he thinks

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with silencer backing him

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he cna make aggro plays

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cuz he killed morph once

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but the shaker is there always

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paparazzi is having a sick game imo

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playing against nyx

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but hasnt died in 10min

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despite being in every kill

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definitely interesting how XG just doesnt care

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they go midas on morph, tide has no intention of getting blink so far

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morph has been sitting on that toplane for 15min

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wish casters+obs would check and talk about atlents a bit more

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seems theyre not even highlighting it at all

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why the fuck didnt he ravage

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to cancel BH

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ramsez not happy

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just dying to shaker+zeus

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weird ravage+buyback

errant tusk
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holy

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that nyx

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played so well

vital pollen
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jo

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that was

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insane

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his pounces are so on point

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hitting max range aghs pounces all the time

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which is anything but easy

errant tusk
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ye no shit casters

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linkens will never allow you to shadowdance tp

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becuase you arent targetable to begin with

vital pollen
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ye

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its just for the morph

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NO WAY DUDE

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ye

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its for morph mostly

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and halberd been annoying too

vital pollen
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ye

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and you cant protect yourself from halbeerd

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im very suprised he doesnt go skadi tho

vital pollen
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can also use it on sf

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to siege highground

errant tusk
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its sick slark item + sick vs morph

vital pollen
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at this point its bkb or linkens

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linkens just better this game

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bkb would only be better if he gets refresher at some point

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gpk just gonna do blink hex initiations

errant tusk
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insane fight

vital pollen
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ye

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man these casters

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ofc he wants to hit tide

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a lot

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thats how you play slark

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AAAAA STUPIDITY

vital pollen
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ye

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getting quick

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15+ essence shift

errant tusk
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he wants to feed himself

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ye

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fuck me

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stupidity

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i cant listen to it

vital pollen
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the fact that enigma didnt have bkb

buoyant sage
vital pollen
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cuz he had to use it at triangle

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cost them

errant tusk
buoyant sage
vital pollen
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game getting harder and harder for paparazzo

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the fact ramsez lives there

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actual TI quality game imo

tender fox
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secret losing to nouns

vital pollen
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not sure what the plan was there waveforming onto the bkb sf

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gg

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well played by both teams imo

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game just lasted too long, double bkb/blackhole/requiem too powerful

errant tusk
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lategame enigma too good

vital pollen
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ye

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ye

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good game tho

vital pollen
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they caught him a few times

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but shard enigma

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and blackhole

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these teams are good matched

vital pollen
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just too much

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good match*

vital pollen
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unless you have a bane or smth

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tbh

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its almost minute 60

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sad they got megas

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if they stalled alil bit for 60 minute items

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and got lucky on book of shadows

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they could save him

vital pollen
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ye

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true

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but evne then

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tide just cant out teamfight

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casterfiend

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and enigma

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yamich mvp this game imo

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his nyx plays were fucking sick

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he gave so much map control

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nice series tho

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the play there with the cheese as well, gave VP a perfect setup

alpine wren
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@vital pollen

vital pollen
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Hahaha

tender fox
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hmm t1 2-0 xg and nouns beating vg 2-0

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what is happening

vital pollen
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yeah shits all over the place

versed matrix
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fun game 1 vp vs t1

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morph most deaths in the game

tender fox
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wait how did t1 win

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i went away and vps cores were all on top

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and they just took rosh

buoyant sage
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godson and ana

versed matrix
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trying to watch 2 games at the same time

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a bit confusing

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I want secret to lose, idk why

tender fox
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arent they cemented at #3 already

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so secret-xg first round very likely

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spicy

errant tusk
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does wagamama not understand how ET works

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or just sweden debuff

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maybe both

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i did that long time ago too

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lmao

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gorgc did it like a week ago

buoyant sage
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no way lmao

versed matrix
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simultaneous play off games

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sheesh

tender fox
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you wont be awake anyway

vital pollen
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also kinda w/e until elimination imo

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and theres only like 1 decent caster and the rest is unwatchable

versed matrix
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at least during the week I can watch form like 7 30 am

errant tusk
vital pollen
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secret getting broodmama'd

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maybe crystalis should stop using solar guardian on cooldown for support kills

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done it 4times now

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and everytime XG just takes a teamfight after with dawn nowhere to be seen

versed matrix
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when tf do they start

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3 am eu time?

tender fox
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lol secret and t1 won

distant yoke
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Secrekt

vital pollen
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XG omega threw game2 and 3

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were super ahead both games and then just trolled

buoyant sage
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btw

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how can this happen?

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this is from my own profile

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very close to 500 more games as Dire

versed matrix
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vp vg ggame pretty good

vital pollen
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dw

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i got the same

buoyant sage
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oh okay, first time I see a similar thing

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because all the people I play with have like, 20 games difference tops

vital pollen
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friend

buoyant sage
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but 500 games

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wth

versed matrix
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I have it pretty close but extreme win rate diff

buoyant sage
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yeh below 100 games difference it's fine ig but idk how 400, 500 games can happen

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doesnt really change something, just blows my mind kinda

versed matrix
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its been about 7 years since ive played properly

buoyant sage
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think I came back to wow in 2015 in warlords prepatch

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99.9% of my games had been irl friends stacks

buoyant sage
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funniest but trashiest stacks in general

versed matrix
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I mean yeah, some people were legit 1k players

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couple were good

buoyant sage
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theres always a creature in the stack

vital pollen
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ah maybe, I remember spamming Diretide back then

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or Frostivarius

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but Idk if it counts

versed matrix
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ive been tempted to reinstall

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probably wont play DF

vital pollen
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but yeah winrates based on side is a bit weird

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at least for me

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cause mine is so much higher on radiant

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which is very very weird kekdog

versed matrix
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ye, my diff is 7%

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scrolling down too hard

buoyant sage
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yeh it's a mythbuster kind of thing to me

versed matrix
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disruptor gigachad

buoyant sage
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I remember it like it was yesterday

tender fox
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this affliction guy has been poor whole qualy

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always get caught out before every fight

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all 4 american teams gonna go out first PEPW

buoyant sage
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how surprising

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gotta keep the streak on being the weakest region in the world

torn girder
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mine xd

buoyant sage
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perfectly balanced catchest

torn girder
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oh I didnt see

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crossed the 7k hours line

stiff pebble
versed matrix
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I stopped at 1800

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poe my most played on steam with 3300

buoyant sage
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good chunk

versed matrix
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lost ark almost 2k now

distant yoke
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some epic throws in the VP vs Liquid game

vital pollen
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ah yeah, good ol pos1 prophet

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dont think ive ever seen that win

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always feels like you couldve played any other pos1 and the game would either be the same or better

torn girder
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Throwing again

vital pollen
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primal beast is such a stupid hero

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wonder if micke will ever buy shard on pudge

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just completely bad itemization from liquid imo

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no force staffs vs prophet

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no shard from pudge

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super late bkb from LD

versed matrix
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cheering on vp, looks good so far

tender fox
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this throw by moprh

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in vg notlikePika

versed matrix
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t1 chain feed

tender fox
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xg seem to play naga super well

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bringing it out in all g3's

tender fox
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china sitll hates kuku

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"byebye kuku"

versed matrix
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should have won that g2

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instead they go home

tender fox
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how are ppl not forcibly shaving and giving him a haircut

buoyant sage
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it's a mystery that can't be unveiled

versed matrix
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I was thinking the same

buoyant sage
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it's his last TI anyway

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dude doesnt care he always got the stacks LULW

tender fox
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maybe its some kind of american sport playoff beard they dont shave off

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except it has been like this for 2 years

tender fox
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liquid just stomped xg sub 20 min

vital pollen
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XG needs to stop doing 2man rotations

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to kill people

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against a witch doctor/clock

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think they failed like 4 or 5 ganks now

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cuz of cask

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if theres just 1 more hero there, they get all those kills

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XG playing like an actual ancient team

distant yoke
vital pollen
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lets go hard on the pudge

distant yoke
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ye these fights

vital pollen
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after spending

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10seconds

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trying to set up a gank on sf

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those cogs

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clock in general just

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completely destroying XG

distant yoke
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holy shit

vital pollen
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idk

distant yoke
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that was so bad

vital pollen
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actually so bad

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garbage draft as well

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god i hate the dota casting so much

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its such a low quality garbage fest

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XG fails every single initiation for 28 minutes "liquid a total beast, what an immaculate performance"

distant yoke
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xgs draft prob let them down

vital pollen
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yeah

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idk, casting is grating me so much these days

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can really feel how they just got told

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"dont criticize players too much"

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cause dota pros are fucking whiny bitches

distant yoke
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idk basskip seems like a liquid fan

vital pollen
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yeah i mean

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what can you do

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when you dont invite any of the casters

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that covered china the entire year

distant yoke
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must be something weird going down

vital pollen
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its just ti/valve not giving a fuck

distant yoke
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cus some of these caster decisions doesnt make sense

vital pollen
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you have bkop and mlp casting the entirety of the chinese qualifier

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then neither are invited to TI

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:))

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like, MLP isnt a good caster imo

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but hes been working his ass off

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doing half of chinese qual and half of SEA one

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and then we suddenly get dumbfucks like seeknstrike or breaky

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or fluke/killerpigeon

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just overall really really terrible talent

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pieliedie/wagamama with shit sound quality or basically no analysis cause they havent been actively casting games in 3 years or smth

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i love dota to death, the game has been a part of myl ife for as long as wow, so like 17years by now

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but i hope that this TI is an utter failure

tacit epoch
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Why?

vital pollen
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cause the quality of the DPC and TI so far has already been shit

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and i want things to go badly so valve wakes the fuck up and either hands things over fully

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or gets more involved again themselves

tacit epoch
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Is the main event also outsourced?

vital pollen
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sorta

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produced by PGL

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but its done in a weird way

tacit epoch
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Hm

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I came back recently and heard ppl are dooming about Dota

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So was wondering if it's a TI thing or also problems with the game

tender fox
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i think vp+liquid is doing it

vital pollen
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mhye

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unless vici somehow finds their groove

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but liquid didnt look that strong so far

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they just looked dominant against XG cause XG was replaced by 2k mmr imposters

tender fox
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i just dont believe in secret but will prolly make it in the end

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somehow

errant tusk
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trash players like paparazzi wont make ti gotta get that crystallis coaching

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liquid isn't making it for the same reason they didnt make upper finals. They are never ever clutch and never win close series actually least clutch team of all esports LULE at least that was my prediction about them siล„ce euw qual. Good team but just cant ever close out an even gamฤ™/series

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wouldnt mind seeing them breaking that curse tho as i think they are better team than secret just cant perform

tender fox
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vici can prolly steal it also tbh looked pretty okayish PES2_Shrug all just a coinflip it feel like

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nobody rly standing out

vital pollen
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yeah

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VP is like

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most solid team

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but their drafts are pepega

errant tusk
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secret was ok they stomped t1 which is good

vital pollen
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yeah like

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the 2 teams in upper rn deserve to be there

errant tusk
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as expected to stomp t1 ngl

vital pollen
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and as you said, liquid just cant win games that arent complete stomps

errant tusk
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idk how they beat navi they miet have choked outdrafted themselves lmao

vital pollen
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navi was just garbage

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all tourney

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its just

tender fox
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they did the ppy we can beat same heroes

vital pollen
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other teams choked in groups

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like secret losing a game to nouns

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polaris losing to wildcard was big dumbo play as well

errant tusk
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maybe idk

vital pollen
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polaris actually looked very good

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in groups

tender fox
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can watch last 2 series at work at least

errant tusk
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i watched secret games before work and xg kinda threw two games vs them too especially g3

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they had 95 win prob and threw with rosh up

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iirc

vital pollen
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yeah XG just choked vs secret imo

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after being in lead

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and then against liquid they just full choked

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19min loss g1 and then 2nd they just played like a pub team

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2 and 3man rotations into clock+wd supports, cuz paparazzi doesnt know how to play heroes that cant flashfarm so hes just never around or ganking

errant tusk
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and t1 secret today i woke up 5 AM and gamฤ™ was done already lmao

vital pollen
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drafting for XG was off as well

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giving dy stuff like snap

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when hes a godlike dazzle/undying/sd player

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or bane

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feels in general people are sleeping on bane (pun intended)

errant tusk
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well that was secret issues that they drafted kinda shit but maybe fixed for ti

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im suprised people dont adapt as much as id expect with lots of ET or some aa picks into morph which happens in 66% of the game

vital pollen
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ye

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its just

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not very high quality gameplay

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only game i felt was really good quality

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was XG v VP

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in groups

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i expected people to adapt more but its still more of the same

vital pollen
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support drafting feels so one dimensional from these teams

errant tusk
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but maybe meta is figured out and im a clown

vital pollen
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like you look at spirit or LGD and they play everything

errant tusk
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also being real there was 3-4 good teams

vital pollen
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pos4 in particular

errant tusk
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america slots are wasted as expected

vital pollen
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they run anything from es/tiny/earthspirit to more unconventional ones

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yeah

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it was secret, liquid maybe, xg, vp

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i counted VG out already

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cause they sucked in chinese quals

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but they had an easy bracket

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cuz of how groups played out

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one side of bracket now was infinitely harder

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navi/t1/secret/xg on one side, which are all solid teams, and then it was basically just VP on the other

errant tusk
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liquid can do it but u doubt them. Not a winners mentality

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I doubt them*

vital pollen
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imo matu is just too weak a carry

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and zai as pos3 is meh

errant tusk
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dont know this qualifier but normally matu looked strong

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zai isn't as good as old days yea

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their mid isnt consistent tho is the issue id say

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basing on previous tournaments

tender fox
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matu is playing pos2 from safelane and micke pos1 from mid

errant tusk
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ye and micke isn't utilising it as well as prime miracle or sumail or nisha

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prime sumail too is what i mean

vital pollen
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mid is also least important role atm tho imo

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unless you have a starplayer on it

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like maybe/nisha

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you just draw lane and farm

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hit your item timings

errant tusk
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ye true hence mid is op for smurfing now because you shitstomp lower guy and snowball

vital pollen
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yeah

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just hgate how boring game is these days

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just

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bkb first item

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almost every hero

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half the heropool unplayable because of it

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no good midgame items for int heroes in general

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arcane blink still useless for all heroes except sf

errant tusk
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Same with bloodstone only broken for lesh and garbage for everything else

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peak bad design

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they would need to nerf all the neutrals and all the spell amps and levels in general so you dont have to bkb as 1.5 Item on everything

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Usually you build boots and a small Item into bkb nowadays

vital pollen
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yeah idk

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think they need an item

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that pierces bkb

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just like

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ministun or smth that goes through bkb

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but enough that you cant just

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pop bkb 20min in and roll over everybody

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should also give castrange on more items imo

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game is unplayable if you dont get castrange neutrals

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but you see the state of teh game atm

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on a hero like lina

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aghs shard gives more spelldmg, aghs gives more spelldmg

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no one plays it, you just play full rightclick

tacit epoch
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I did notice that without bkb casters obliterate you and you feel forced to buy it every game

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Like facing a skyrwath without bkb

vital pollen
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dunno

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lots of options

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against every caster

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glimmer/force/euls

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fuck up most heavy magic-nuke heroes

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or disrupt it enough

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and theres hundreds of heroes that can be disruptive to nukers as well

tacit epoch
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hm euls is definitely an item i'm not buying a lot

errant tusk
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fuck castrange

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id remove castrange from all the items

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and talents

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too op stat

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they also keep nerfing bkb every patch

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got even mana cost now

vital pollen
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still broken

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or well

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not broken but like

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its too meta defining, and has been for like 3years now

torn girder
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wait this lina spell build is just op no

vital pollen
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Nah

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think this is the first time someones played it in competitive dota

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only worked cause the VP draft was dogshit

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the lina barely did anything this game. was the zayac/reso show

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clock didnt hookshot onto her a single time either

severe sail
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Spell lina was specifically a counter to the very active support play that VP was going for

vital pollen
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yeah but a disruptor shouldnt get caught by a lina before a teamfight really starts, thats just bad positioning, and the clock always jumped the primal beast which would just bkb and run out of the cogs

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there were like 3 fights where she just pops aghs and manages to run up to the disruptor and kill him before he used a single spell. thats just bad play

torn girder
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idk seems pretty good if you get aghs/shard/other spell amp then just walk up and 100-0 a core

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with a pure spell immunity piercing button lmao

vital pollen
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laguna doesnt pierce spell immunity/deals pure damage until lv25

torn girder
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what did they change the aghs to

vital pollen
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an on use

torn girder
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is that the cloak thing

vital pollen
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that gives 30% spellamp and flying movement for 5seconds

torn girder
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ah

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i thought that was the shard or whatever

vital pollen
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nah

torn girder
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but i assume the shard gives spell amp per stack

vital pollen
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shard is you get 15 flat bonus spelldmg per fiery soul stack

torn girder
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ye

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not as good then

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as i thought

vital pollen
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i love the design of both aghs upgrades

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and i badly want spell lina to be a thing

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but it just isnt. anything she did in those fights, she couldve done with a rightclick build but better

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but when you play into a core undying you have a free game and can do whatever you want

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their win condition in the fights was to drop a tombstone and protect it/jump the lina, they failed to do both, and clock can easily do both.

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if vici doesnt hardthrow this game, thats an easy 1-0

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"vici really drafted to give zai this horrible laning stage" bruv you picked tiny+darkseer into a undying firstpick....

torn girder
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This primal beast hero is gonna get nerfed so hard after ti

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I like how the analysts are like โ€œgreat matchup for slarkโ€ cause generic melee guy, except trample just kills you

vital pollen
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"you could see how much damage this darkseer did with just a level 1 vacuum against all these melee heroes".... WHAT THE FUCK DID HE JUST SAY?

vital pollen
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i dont get the slark pick at all

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his lane is super weak cause he has a snap thats basically just supposedto be an undying counter

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snap does nothing against beast+tusk

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its just food

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they have no staying power in teamfights, so i dont really get the slark pick

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ursa wouldve been a lot better imo

torn girder
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Ye agreed

vital pollen
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"how good the liquid draft is"

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who the fuck thought

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that was a good draft?

torn girder
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Idk how you allow this primal beast hero to go through lol

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Naix/ursa would have probably done a much better job at dealing with him

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Even then idk

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Not really a fan of the dark seer/pudge either

vital pollen
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"the one weakness in their draft, how do they kill the vici heroes"

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id say

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thats a pretty big weakness

torn girder
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Ye just one little weakness

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Tiny one

vital pollen
#

but perfect draft

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beyond that

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ofc

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apparently liquid also has very strong teamfight

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cause they have... a darkseer

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easy 150k channel points EZ

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could enjoy the stream for a bit cause no caster sound

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but now gareth is back sad

versed matrix
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1st pic veno

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gg no re

vital pollen
#

liquid needs smth

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to stand in the way

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that has a hard lockdown

versed matrix
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disappointed that vp lost 2-0

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maybe ill watch the games later

tender fox
#

looking like clutch liquid is on hte menu

vital pollen
#

gonna be nice

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15min gg

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no idea what that lycan is supposed to accomplish

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or the puck lastpick into disruptor/ld

tender fox
#

do glimpse own phase? not gamed in forever

vital pollen
#

you cant phaseshift glimpse, no

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you still get glimpsed back

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youre ju8st phaseshifted there

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same with euls

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Just weak drafting. Playing against liquid and giving them LD last pick

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When you have Lycan/puck

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And this puck has no supports to play with. Grim is never around

versed matrix
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3 eu teams top 3

vital pollen
#

China hard choking

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But i also hate this meta

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Team that wins first 2 fights after minute 10-15 gets bkbs and then game is over

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Would like to see winrate for the team that is ahead in xp by minute 10. Probably >80%

versed matrix
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OG have been pulling out wins after losing lanes but that might have been last patch

tender fox
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you mean lgd every game

versed matrix
#

prime neckbeard

tender fox
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Looks worse on live cam cus not half styled PEPW

versed matrix
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I wouldnt keep a beard like that, when your cheeks get nothing

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and that moustache is something else

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im sure he doesnt care though

tender fox
#

liquid surely cant throw this

vital pollen
#

VP just doesnt wanna play TI

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based on their last 3 games

vital pollen
#

even his mustache doesnt know where it wants to go

tender fox
#

i mean the neckbeard at least look somewhat formed together with something

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and not dangeling lose like on player cam

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but maybe just the angle

vital pollen
#

i mean im guessing they gave him a comb

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before they took that shot

tender fox
#

well i hope liquid take it dont care for anyone in vp

versed matrix
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gpk is mentally done

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didnt see secret games but vp looks like nothing in this series

vital pollen
#

its TI

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VP cant win at TI

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but yeah he seems like he checked out

#

almost a good fight

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too bad they decide to focus the beastmaster after he used ult

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and micke coming in from behind with 5man scream

distant yoke
#

Tiltus Pro

vital pollen
#

if they stopped throwing for like

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more than 2minutes at a time

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they could easily win this game

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their lineup is so much stronger than liquids

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but instead ramzes just sits in glimmer with bkb running and afks during the eclipse

tender fox
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cus he like quin zdps

vital pollen
#

nice blink in without bkb

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actual monkey

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idk why carries do this so often

tender fox
#

yey HYPERS

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they looked so sad after major wen they failed

vital pollen
#

not at all convinced by liquids performance

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barely winning these games after winning all 3 lanes

tender fox
#

still prolly better than a bunch of teams and a nice pay day coming

vital pollen
#

i mean

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better than the NA auto invite shitters

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which basically makes them like

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top10 at TI already

tender fox
#

groups done when? PAUSE

vital pollen
#

but it felt less like liquid winning and more like vici/vp just throwing

errant tusk
#

that sounds like classsic vp do well throw one game and tilt test of tournament xddcant

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rest*

buoyant sage
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been saying that since last TI

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but justValvethings

tender fox
#

butbut all regions aer equal

vital pollen
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id rather have some teams get picked up by an NA org and compete for NA slots

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in general i think the current implementation of DPC/points is solid - this DPC season just got hardfucked by covid and visa issues

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secret going through qual was fine as they redid their roster only a few months ago, liquid barely made it through last chance qual. dont really see why either of them shouldve just gotten a more direct path to TI

severe sail
#

The current system works well because Valve mostly doesn't have to make regional strength assessments which are inevitably fighting the last war.

midnight ore
#

What are some fun teams that a casual should follow in this upcoming TI?

severe sail
#

I think the SA teams are a ton of fun, beastcoast and Thunder Awaken just because there can be a very YOLO feel to them

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Tundra is also fun because they got a lot of flashy plays from their 3-5 positions

severe sail
vital pollen
#

Yeah that was expected

#

Wonder if thats the sad news that Sunsfan was referring to, that was supposed to be announced after TI

tender fox
#

a look more top heavy while b better in general

buoyant sage
#

group A is stacked af

tender fox
#

i only see lgd+og+rng that can go far in that group

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rest just fillers

buoyant sage
#

gamin glad, boom esports, TL are also very strong teams

tender fox
#

didnt gaming glad only qual cus they had like 1 good major early on i do not believe

#

i see group b as way harder

#

can see everyone beating eachother but maybe thunder awaken or something

#

alwayswannafly being coach for talon also seem a bit random PEPW

buoyant sage
#

GG did a better season at the beginning ye but it's the kind of team that you should never underestimate

tender fox
#

Cis actually got the least teams NOTED

vital pollen
#

betboom best CIS and probably best european team after spirit

tender fox
#

so they are better than spirit in cis but not in eu NOTED

vital pollen
#

just woke up

#

you know what i mean

tender fox
#

not seen them only result they have is wiping vp in cis qual and coming 2nd in esl one malaysia qual

distant yoke
#

sucks to suck

vital pollen
#

oh no nvm that was the other boom team

#

but yeah they stomped VP

#

3-0

#

and their overall gameplay was really solid

tender fox
#

only team that look super weak is hokori

errant tusk
#

regional games tend to have weird outcomes

#

and its not rock paper scissors

#

if spirit > lgd but betboom > spirit in bo3 matches that doesnt imply that betboom > lgd in potential game

#

i wonder what tundra will be like

#

i expect them to be a lil bit of a wasted slot looking at their last 2 tournaments where they played very bad

#

basically after they changed fata for saksa they look kinda bad

vital pollen
#

i think its always been EUs biggest strength

#

they typically had the easiest access to all kinds of international games

#

and werent as set in a meta like other regions

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NA/China in particular struggle a lot with that, its why oftentimes chinese teams look unbeatable when you watch them play against each other, and then the cracks start to show when they play against a style of dota that isnt prevalent in their region

errant tusk
#

i think its kinda peak competitive when team ranked 5th has rly good matchup vs team ranked 1st but then has rly bad matchups vs 2nd/3rd team coz then brackets mean a lot and with lower bracket at ti you cant cheat it anyway so if you manage to beat a team taht farmed you 50 times in the past like spirit did it kinda makes their run even more epic

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imo

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coz they were farmed quite a bit by old vp roster with idk who was there even gpk/nightfall

vital pollen
#

yeah

#

i mean, same with spirit vs lgd

#

theyre what, 2/9 in favor of lgd now

#

in terms of raw matches

#

but those 2 matches spirit won

#

were TI and arlington

errant tusk
#

ye but thats juts lgd being lgd

#

also having seen the truesight it looks like winning LB final is kinda big

#

like people come way more fired up

#

instead of trying to fire yourself up a bit idk

#

at least this truesight gave me vibe that LB team has an advantage

#

the xinq go wash your face PEPELA

versed matrix
#

yeah, I felt the same way after watching that

vital pollen
#

thats been most top-tier chinese teams even

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old DK

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or IG

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or ehome

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during their prime

#

always struggled with some randomass underdog eu team

#

only chinese team that seemed utterly unbothered by anyone was wings

errant tusk
#

well lgd has 2 of their players

#

so it cant be them right

vital pollen
#

youd think so

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unless spirit takes it again

errant tusk
#

surely lgd year

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this time

vital pollen
#

id be very surprised if LGD doesnt win TI

errant tusk
#

imagine

#

eg vs lgd final

#

actual servers meltdown

#

coz cant have rtz or ame win

vital pollen
#

ye

errant tusk
#

biggest copium ever no way eg makes it far

distant yoke
#

EG KEKK

errant tusk
#

ibet everyone put eg for 'team with lowest amount of heroes picked'

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or something like that in their prediction

tender fox
#

well there was a meme about it and that they would not get up to the minimum required games or something PEPW

errant tusk
#

sounds about right LULE

tight sluice
#

rate my predictions guys

tacit epoch
#

Primal beast can contest one of those spots

buoyant sage
#

this is mine

tight sluice
#

I think she was already most banned in LCQ

#

I had naga too for LHs

#

Slark for kills

#

I dont know shit about players or teams so I just guessed and picked PSG to win

buoyant sage
#

for the winner I always pick the team I support

#

idc about having it right or wrong LULW

tender fox
#

5 games at the same time is a bit meh

#

has it always been like that or cus more teams

vital pollen
vital pollen
stiff pebble
#

75% off is pretty good.

tight sluice
#

Although BP isnt the greatest and tbh it's kinda ass paying for immortal 2 when it's not even out yet and I can't see what I'm getting

buoyant sage
#

TI tomorrow

tender fox
#

4.5h aPES_Shake

stiff pebble
tender fox
#

And im on a fuxking boat

stiff pebble
severe sail
#

Multi million dollar tournament and people are waiting in queue

stiff pebble
#

Queues are exciting, you see how many people queued up in the UK recently?

severe sail
#

I've literally never played dota in my life, I just watch

stiff pebble
torn girder
#

alright

#

now lets start up the tally

#

how many times will bulba make abed play storm

stiff pebble
midnight ore
#

Same, never played Dota either

severe sail
#

Boom/OG is living up to my expectations

torn girder
#

damn that was a hell of a team fight in pgd lgd vs hokori

#

pretty insane

#

ame was about to get blown up in a stun but enigma comes in black holes to buy time for him while hes still shallow graved and he comes out of stun and sunders enigma for hp reset

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wins the fight and rosh cause of it

severe sail
#

Boom looked good but OG is magic

torn girder
#

ye their early game they chased around the 4 that arent tb lol

#

tb just outfarmed pl

#
  • some other mistakes like beast diving into their base questionfrog
severe sail
#

PL could have out carried, but they overcommitted on one high ground

#

And then the chain feed

torn girder
#

this ember is producing insane damage too lol

#

honestly the og and lgd games looked kinda similar LUL

torn girder
#

eg obliterating soniqs but it is soniqs

distant yoke
#

NA vs NA

#

Only time EG will stomp a team

torn girder
#

ye

#

quinn's team been kinda ass for awhile now

#

2nd place in NA not very impressive

distant yoke
#

Fat-a and Lulslao

#

Great pickups

torn girder
#

i didnt realize they gave morph his lvl 25 talent as shard until recently

#

questionable decision

severe sail
#

Wow hokori

torn girder
#

ye taking a game off psg

#

dont think psg lgd mind that tho

#

think they let morph go through their to test limits a bit

#

imba hero

severe sail
#

I'm looking forward to another TI defined by Morph \s

torn girder
#

surprised they didnt try a diffusal hero against it instead of void

#

dont think chrono solves it when he buys shard lol

#

actually kinda idiotic to give the hero that

#

it was previously his level 25 talent, but ig they gave it to him as the shard

#

just a massive safety blanket

#

liquid getting clapped this 2nd game

#

but seems like a little bit of experimentation

stiff pebble
#

This black widow broodmother skin is fucked up.

tender fox
#

lgd dropping game to hokori PEPW

torn girder
#

experimental game pajiS

torn girder
#

thunder predator vs secret 17-2 before minute 10

stiff pebble
rocky moon
#

What to watch next round? EG vs LGD or OG vs GG

#

Also they need to slow downs on Gs

stiff pebble
#

GG seem strong

tender fox
#

lgd dying on all lanes

#

lgd not impressing so far

rocky moon
#

Holy team spirit

#

Typical cis team - get yourself into disadvantage, crawl back out

torn girder
#

ye

#

close game

#

almost clawed it back

#

tb looking good so far 3-0 i think lol

#

holy

#

ame respawn tp back die

#

Lot of matches going 1-1

tender fox
#

how do enigma even get last picked

#

isnt it like the most op atm

vital pollen
#

LGD deciding to just lose early already

#

instead of stomping and getting 2nd

buoyant sage
#

Lesssssgoooooo

#

just woke up, OG game starting and they won 2-0 vs BOOM

vital pollen
#

honestly

#

after TLC and now the start of this

buoyant sage
vital pollen
#

im not sure if i like the groupstages anymore

#

its just sooo many 1-1s

buoyant sage
#

Im just happy to finally watch some dotka

torn girder
#

Ye dunno if im fan of bo2 lol

buoyant sage