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- big outplay potential
ye
its same with tb
he usually rushes aghs
and ta
on morph
shard as well
or at least very toxic
just giving
people dont rly buy shard
10million stats
ye
but pro players dont rly buy shard
in progames its rare
coz they always get morph off
but in pubs its huge
i remember my 1st game of patch
i didnt play for like 1-2 weeks of this patch
and then i play 1st game
i play into undying
and lvl 2 he just dives me with tomb
and im like 
i guess
he's just better

and then at 3
he soulrips
and just kills you
and then maybe you kill him
but its not even worth
cause then he comes back with full mana
and hes a pos5 and doesnt care
ye its like sky
you dont wanna kill him when he's out of mana
because he comes back stronger
zeus pick 
dont really see tho
its good vs sf too
enigma pick came after
but i dont really see
how VP picks fights
unless they play like
bristle safelane now or smth
i can see bristle here for VP
they removed 300 hp talent and gave talent that is worded like 'earthshock applies 2 fury swipes'
actually so nice
actually insane
marci got to last phase
ye but
morph is kinda allright into slark nowadays
morph
it used to be huge counter to morph
will just steal nyx
but not as much anymore
and destroy
naa he will go into slark
imo
because thing is
it steals 50 or 70 attack speed
thats so much
when he has aghs ye
ye
but carapace
oh yea without aghs ofc nyx is one of the best morphs
and stun
dont really see how VP pressures on the lanes
they just have enigma, which is always annoying
but morph kinda doesnt care
it used to be 2 stat/s and now its 5stat/s on lvl 1
its so big
even lvl 1 morph is good now
but it costs mana now /s
it was free 2 patches ago tho
its not actually
last patch when it was 2 stats/second
it was rly bad to get harassed hard before level 3
esp with undying
= useless
you just go
now its much beetter yea
i guess they rly wanna avoid tide vs slark matchup
ye
xg still has their TPs ready tho
smart
after slark tps top

wonder if theyll do smth about the bottle trade again
only change they need to make is remove demonic conversion from enigma
or w/e its called
and keep that patch forever
that mechanic doesnt have place in game right now
ye
denying creeps is way too strong
you dont need to play the game in laning stage whatsoever
pyw rotations pretty sick
love watching his earth spirit play
tactical haste rune
i rly love how teams just play off the information sth is happening on the other side
and they dont wait
ye
also the play around siege creep spawns

is so good
when enemy carry dies
and you as carry see nothing happening
you know
you're about to die

can be sick morph game in lategame tho
with double tomstone
or good ol
morph/shaker
oh nvm
he cant do allied heroes anymore
can he?
aight
i feel like slark can take over the game
but he's griefing
coz died twice
actually so bad of him
lou just baiting him really well
ye
but he thinks
with silencer backing him
he cna make aggro plays
cuz he killed morph once
but the shaker is there always
paparazzi is having a sick game imo
playing against nyx
but hasnt died in 10min
despite being in every kill
definitely interesting how XG just doesnt care
they go midas on morph, tide has no intention of getting blink so far
morph has been sitting on that toplane for 15min
wish casters+obs would check and talk about atlents a bit more
seems theyre not even highlighting it at all
why the fuck didnt he ravage
to cancel BH
ramsez not happy
just dying to shaker+zeus
weird ravage+buyback
jo
that was
insane
his pounces are so on point
hitting max range aghs pounces all the time
which is anything but easy
ye no shit casters
linkens will never allow you to shadowdance tp
becuase you arent targetable to begin with

ye
its sick slark item + sick vs morph
at this point its bkb or linkens
linkens just better this game
bkb would only be better if he gets refresher at some point
gpk just gonna do blink hex initiations
insane fight
ye
man these casters
ofc he wants to hit tide
a lot
thats how you play slark
AAAAA STUPIDITY
the fact that enigma didnt have bkb


game getting harder and harder for paparazzo
the fact ramsez lives there
actual TI quality game imo
not sure what the plan was there waveforming onto the bkb sf
gg
well played by both teams imo
game just lasted too long, double bkb/blackhole/requiem too powerful
lategame enigma too good
ye
these teams are good matched
just too much
good match*
unless you have a bane or smth
tbh
its almost minute 60
sad they got megas
if they stalled alil bit for 60 minute items
and got lucky on book of shadows
they could save him
ye
true
but evne then
tide just cant out teamfight
casterfiend
and enigma
yamich mvp this game imo
his nyx plays were fucking sick
he gave so much map control
nice series tho
the play there with the cheese as well, gave VP a perfect setup
Hahaha
yeah shits all over the place
wait how did t1 win
i went away and vps cores were all on top
and they just took rosh
trying to watch 2 games at the same time
a bit confusing
I want secret to lose, idk why
no way lmao
you wont be awake anyway
also kinda w/e until elimination imo
and theres only like 1 decent caster and the rest is unwatchable
at least during the week I can watch form like 7 30 am
you rly want upper bracket but other than that yea
secret getting broodmama'd
maybe crystalis should stop using solar guardian on cooldown for support kills
done it 4times now
and everytime XG just takes a teamfight after with dawn nowhere to be seen
Secrekt
btw
how can this happen?
this is from my own profile
very close to 500 more games as Dire
vp vg ggame pretty good
oh okay, first time I see a similar thing
because all the people I play with have like, 20 games difference tops
I have it pretty close but extreme win rate diff
yeh below 100 games difference it's fine ig but idk how 400, 500 games can happen
doesnt really change something, just blows my mind kinda
its been about 7 years since ive played properly

think I came back to wow in 2015 in warlords prepatch
99.9% of my games had been irl friends stacks
theres always a creature in the stack
it might include some "funmode" matches where both teams were considered dire maybe? idk
ah maybe, I remember spamming Diretide back then
or Frostivarius
but Idk if it counts
but yeah winrates based on side is a bit weird
at least for me
cause mine is so much higher on radiant
which is very very weird 
yeh it's a mythbuster kind of thing to me
disruptor gigachad

I remember it like it was yesterday
this affliction guy has been poor whole qualy
always get caught out before every fight
all 4 american teams gonna go out first 
perfectly balanced 


good chunk
lost ark almost 2k now
ah yeah, good ol pos1 prophet
dont think ive ever seen that win
always feels like you couldve played any other pos1 and the game would either be the same or better
Throwing again
primal beast is such a stupid hero
wonder if micke will ever buy shard on pudge
just completely bad itemization from liquid imo
no force staffs vs prophet
no shard from pudge
super late bkb from LD
cheering on vp, looks good so far
t1 chain feed
how are ppl not forcibly shaving and giving him a haircut
it's a mystery that can't be unveiled
I was thinking the same
maybe its some kind of american sport playoff beard they dont shave off
except it has been like this for 2 years

liquid just stomped xg sub 20 min
XG needs to stop doing 2man rotations
to kill people
against a witch doctor/clock
think they failed like 4 or 5 ganks now
cuz of cask
if theres just 1 more hero there, they get all those kills
XG playing like an actual ancient team

lets go hard on the pudge
ye these fights
after spending
10seconds
trying to set up a gank on sf
those cogs
clock in general just
completely destroying XG
holy shit
idk
that was so bad
actually so bad
garbage draft as well
god i hate the dota casting so much
its such a low quality garbage fest
XG fails every single initiation for 28 minutes "liquid a total beast, what an immaculate performance"
xgs draft prob let them down
yeah
idk, casting is grating me so much these days
can really feel how they just got told
"dont criticize players too much"
cause dota pros are fucking whiny bitches
idk basskip seems like a liquid fan
yeah i mean
what can you do
when you dont invite any of the casters
that covered china the entire year
must be something weird going down
its just ti/valve not giving a fuck
cus some of these caster decisions doesnt make sense
you have bkop and mlp casting the entirety of the chinese qualifier
then neither are invited to TI
:))
like, MLP isnt a good caster imo
but hes been working his ass off
doing half of chinese qual and half of SEA one
and then we suddenly get dumbfucks like seeknstrike or breaky
or fluke/killerpigeon
just overall really really terrible talent
pieliedie/wagamama with shit sound quality or basically no analysis cause they havent been actively casting games in 3 years or smth
i love dota to death, the game has been a part of myl ife for as long as wow, so like 17years by now
but i hope that this TI is an utter failure
Why?
cause the quality of the DPC and TI so far has already been shit
and i want things to go badly so valve wakes the fuck up and either hands things over fully
or gets more involved again themselves
Is the main event also outsourced?
Hm
I came back recently and heard ppl are dooming about Dota
So was wondering if it's a TI thing or also problems with the game
i think vp+liquid is doing it
mhye
unless vici somehow finds their groove
but liquid didnt look that strong so far
they just looked dominant against XG cause XG was replaced by 2k mmr imposters
trash players like paparazzi wont make ti gotta get that crystallis coaching
liquid isn't making it for the same reason they didnt make upper finals. They are never ever clutch and never win close series actually least clutch team of all esports
at least that was my prediction about them siลce euw qual. Good team but just cant ever close out an even gamฤ/series
wouldnt mind seeing them breaking that curse tho as i think they are better team than secret just cant perform
vici can prolly steal it also tbh looked pretty okayish
all just a coinflip it feel like
nobody rly standing out
secret was ok they stomped t1 which is good
as expected to stomp t1 ngl
and as you said, liquid just cant win games that arent complete stomps
idk how they beat navi they miet have choked outdrafted themselves lmao
they did the ppy we can beat same heroes
other teams choked in groups
like secret losing a game to nouns
polaris losing to wildcard was big dumbo play as well
maybe idk
can watch last 2 series at work at least
i watched secret games before work and xg kinda threw two games vs them too especially g3
they had 95 win prob and threw with rosh up
iirc
yeah XG just choked vs secret imo
after being in lead
and then against liquid they just full choked
19min loss g1 and then 2nd they just played like a pub team
2 and 3man rotations into clock+wd supports, cuz paparazzi doesnt know how to play heroes that cant flashfarm so hes just never around or ganking
and t1 secret today i woke up 5 AM and gamฤ was done already lmao
drafting for XG was off as well
giving dy stuff like snap
when hes a godlike dazzle/undying/sd player
or bane
feels in general people are sleeping on bane (pun intended)
well that was secret issues that they drafted kinda shit but maybe fixed for ti
im suprised people dont adapt as much as id expect with lots of ET or some aa picks into morph which happens in 66% of the game
ye
its just
not very high quality gameplay
only game i felt was really good quality
was XG v VP
in groups
i expected people to adapt more but its still more of the same
support drafting feels so one dimensional from these teams
but maybe meta is figured out and im a clown
like you look at spirit or LGD and they play everything
also being real there was 3-4 good teams
pos4 in particular
america slots are wasted as expected
they run anything from es/tiny/earthspirit to more unconventional ones
yeah
it was secret, liquid maybe, xg, vp
i counted VG out already
cause they sucked in chinese quals
but they had an easy bracket
cuz of how groups played out
one side of bracket now was infinitely harder
navi/t1/secret/xg on one side, which are all solid teams, and then it was basically just VP on the other
dont know this qualifier but normally matu looked strong
zai isn't as good as old days yea
their mid isnt consistent tho is the issue id say
basing on previous tournaments
matu is playing pos2 from safelane and micke pos1 from mid
ye and micke isn't utilising it as well as prime miracle or sumail or nisha
prime sumail too is what i mean
mid is also least important role atm tho imo
unless you have a starplayer on it
like maybe/nisha
you just draw lane and farm
hit your item timings
ye true hence mid is op for smurfing now because you shitstomp lower guy and snowball
yeah
just hgate how boring game is these days
just
bkb first item
almost every hero
half the heropool unplayable because of it
no good midgame items for int heroes in general
arcane blink still useless for all heroes except sf
Same with bloodstone only broken for lesh and garbage for everything else
peak bad design
they would need to nerf all the neutrals and all the spell amps and levels in general so you dont have to bkb as 1.5 Item on everything
Usually you build boots and a small Item into bkb nowadays
yeah idk
think they need an item
that pierces bkb
just like
ministun or smth that goes through bkb
but enough that you cant just
pop bkb 20min in and roll over everybody
should also give castrange on more items imo
game is unplayable if you dont get castrange neutrals
but you see the state of teh game atm
on a hero like lina
aghs shard gives more spelldmg, aghs gives more spelldmg
no one plays it, you just play full rightclick
I did notice that without bkb casters obliterate you and you feel forced to buy it every game
Like facing a skyrwath without bkb
dunno
lots of options
against every caster
glimmer/force/euls
fuck up most heavy magic-nuke heroes
or disrupt it enough
and theres hundreds of heroes that can be disruptive to nukers as well
hm euls is definitely an item i'm not buying a lot
fuck castrange
id remove castrange from all the items
and talents
too op stat
they also keep nerfing bkb every patch
got even mana cost now
still broken

or well
not broken but like
its too meta defining, and has been for like 3years now
wait this lina spell build is just op no
Nah
think this is the first time someones played it in competitive dota
only worked cause the VP draft was dogshit
the lina barely did anything this game. was the zayac/reso show
clock didnt hookshot onto her a single time either
Spell lina was specifically a counter to the very active support play that VP was going for
yeah but a disruptor shouldnt get caught by a lina before a teamfight really starts, thats just bad positioning, and the clock always jumped the primal beast which would just bkb and run out of the cogs
there were like 3 fights where she just pops aghs and manages to run up to the disruptor and kill him before he used a single spell. thats just bad play
idk seems pretty good if you get aghs/shard/other spell amp then just walk up and 100-0 a core
with a pure spell immunity piercing button lmao
laguna doesnt pierce spell immunity/deals pure damage until lv25
what did they change the aghs to
an on use
is that the cloak thing
that gives 30% spellamp and flying movement for 5seconds
nah
but i assume the shard gives spell amp per stack
shard is you get 15 flat bonus spelldmg per fiery soul stack
i love the design of both aghs upgrades
and i badly want spell lina to be a thing
but it just isnt. anything she did in those fights, she couldve done with a rightclick build but better
but when you play into a core undying you have a free game and can do whatever you want
their win condition in the fights was to drop a tombstone and protect it/jump the lina, they failed to do both, and clock can easily do both.
if vici doesnt hardthrow this game, thats an easy 1-0
"vici really drafted to give zai this horrible laning stage" bruv you picked tiny+darkseer into a undying firstpick....
This primal beast hero is gonna get nerfed so hard after ti
I like how the analysts are like โgreat matchup for slarkโ cause generic melee guy, except trample just kills you

"you could see how much damage this darkseer did with just a level 1 vacuum against all these melee heroes".... WHAT THE FUCK DID HE JUST SAY?
yeah idk
i dont get the slark pick at all
his lane is super weak cause he has a snap thats basically just supposedto be an undying counter
snap does nothing against beast+tusk
its just food
they have no staying power in teamfights, so i dont really get the slark pick
ursa wouldve been a lot better imo
Ye agreed
Idk how you allow this primal beast hero to go through lol
Naix/ursa would have probably done a much better job at dealing with him
Even then idk
Not really a fan of the dark seer/pudge either
"the one weakness in their draft, how do they kill the vici heroes"
id say
thats a pretty big weakness

but perfect draft
beyond that
ofc
apparently liquid also has very strong teamfight
cause they have... a darkseer
easy 150k channel points 
could enjoy the stream for a bit cause no caster sound

but now gareth is back 
looking like clutch liquid is on hte menu
gonna be nice
15min gg
no idea what that lycan is supposed to accomplish
or the puck lastpick into disruptor/ld
do glimpse own phase? not gamed in forever
you cant phaseshift glimpse, no
you still get glimpsed back
youre ju8st phaseshifted there
same with euls
Just weak drafting. Playing against liquid and giving them LD last pick
When you have Lycan/puck
And this puck has no supports to play with. Grim is never around
3 eu teams top 3
China hard choking
But i also hate this meta
Team that wins first 2 fights after minute 10-15 gets bkbs and then game is over
Would like to see winrate for the team that is ahead in xp by minute 10. Probably >80%
OG have been pulling out wins after losing lanes but that might have been last patch
you mean lgd every game
prime neckbeard
Looks worse on live cam cus not half styled 
I wouldnt keep a beard like that, when your cheeks get nothing
and that moustache is something else
im sure he doesnt care though
liquid surely cant throw this
nothing about that is styled
even his mustache doesnt know where it wants to go
i mean the neckbeard at least look somewhat formed together with something
and not dangeling lose like on player cam
but maybe just the angle
well i hope liquid take it dont care for anyone in vp
gpk is mentally done
didnt see secret games but vp looks like nothing in this series
its TI
VP cant win at TI
but yeah he seems like he checked out
almost a good fight
too bad they decide to focus the beastmaster after he used ult
and micke coming in from behind with 5man scream
Tiltus Pro
if they stopped throwing for like
more than 2minutes at a time
they could easily win this game
their lineup is so much stronger than liquids
but instead ramzes just sits in glimmer with bkb running and afks during the eclipse
cus he like quin zdps
not at all convinced by liquids performance
barely winning these games after winning all 3 lanes
still prolly better than a bunch of teams and a nice pay day coming
i mean
better than the NA auto invite shitters
which basically makes them like
top10 at TI already

groups done when? 
but it felt less like liquid winning and more like vici/vp just throwing
that sounds like classsic vp do well throw one game and tilt test of tournament 
rest*
butbut all regions aer equal
id rather have some teams get picked up by an NA org and compete for NA slots
in general i think the current implementation of DPC/points is solid - this DPC season just got hardfucked by covid and visa issues
secret going through qual was fine as they redid their roster only a few months ago, liquid barely made it through last chance qual. dont really see why either of them shouldve just gotten a more direct path to TI
The current system works well because Valve mostly doesn't have to make regional strength assessments which are inevitably fighting the last war.
What are some fun teams that a casual should follow in this upcoming TI?
I think the SA teams are a ton of fun, beastcoast and Thunder Awaken just because there can be a very YOLO feel to them
Tundra is also fun because they got a lot of flashy plays from their 3-5 positions
personally a terrible and sad day for me, and i know for much of the team here at BTS. we won't be producing a DPC league next year, and honestly it's unclear if we'll be doing any DOTA content at all moving forward. such an amazing game and community that has given me everything
Yeah that was expected
Wonder if thats the sad news that Sunsfan was referring to, that was supposed to be announced after TI
group A is stacked af
gamin glad, boom esports, TL are also very strong teams
didnt gaming glad only qual cus they had like 1 good major early on i do not believe
i see group b as way harder
can see everyone beating eachother but maybe thunder awaken or something
alwayswannafly being coach for talon also seem a bit random 
GG did a better season at the beginning ye but it's the kind of team that you should never underestimate
Cis actually got the least teams 
betboom best CIS and probably best european team after spirit
so they are better than spirit in cis but not in eu 
not seen them only result they have is wiping vp in cis qual and coming 2nd in esl one malaysia qual
sucks to suck
they also did very well in the major
oh no nvm that was the other boom team
but yeah they stomped VP
3-0
and their overall gameplay was really solid
only team that look super weak is hokori
well that logic can even work
regional games tend to have weird outcomes
and its not rock paper scissors
if spirit > lgd but betboom > spirit in bo3 matches that doesnt imply that betboom > lgd in potential game
i wonder what tundra will be like
i expect them to be a lil bit of a wasted slot looking at their last 2 tournaments where they played very bad
basically after they changed fata for saksa they look kinda bad
yeah for sure
i think its always been EUs biggest strength
they typically had the easiest access to all kinds of international games
and werent as set in a meta like other regions
NA/China in particular struggle a lot with that, its why oftentimes chinese teams look unbeatable when you watch them play against each other, and then the cracks start to show when they play against a style of dota that isnt prevalent in their region
i think its kinda peak competitive when team ranked 5th has rly good matchup vs team ranked 1st but then has rly bad matchups vs 2nd/3rd team coz then brackets mean a lot and with lower bracket at ti you cant cheat it anyway so if you manage to beat a team taht farmed you 50 times in the past like spirit did it kinda makes their run even more epic
imo
coz they were farmed quite a bit by old vp roster with idk who was there even gpk/nightfall
yeah
i mean, same with spirit vs lgd
theyre what, 2/9 in favor of lgd now
in terms of raw matches
but those 2 matches spirit won
were TI and arlington

ye but thats juts lgd being lgd
also having seen the truesight it looks like winning LB final is kinda big
like people come way more fired up
instead of trying to fire yourself up a bit idk
at least this truesight gave me vibe that LB team has an advantage
the xinq go wash your face 
yeah, I felt the same way after watching that
i mean
thats been most top-tier chinese teams even
old DK
or IG
or ehome
during their prime
always struggled with some randomass underdog eu team
only chinese team that seemed utterly unbothered by anyone was wings
id be very surprised if LGD doesnt win TI
ye
biggest copium ever no way eg makes it far
EG 

ibet everyone put eg for 'team with lowest amount of heroes picked'
or something like that in their prediction
well there was a meme about it and that they would not get up to the minimum required games or something 
sounds about right 
rate my predictions guys
Primal beast can contest one of those spots
this is mine
Most picked but Marci is almost a lock for most banned. Hero is so strong
I think she was already most banned in LCQ
I had naga too for LHs
Slark for kills
I dont know shit about players or teams so I just guessed and picked PSG to win

What's wrong with that?
Although BP isnt the greatest and tbh it's kinda ass paying for immortal 2 when it's not even out yet and I can't see what I'm getting
4.5h 

And im on a fuxking boat

Multi million dollar tournament and people are waiting in queue
Queues are exciting, you see how many people queued up in the UK recently?
I've literally never played dota in my life, I just watch

alright
now lets start up the tally
how many times will bulba make abed play storm


Same, never played Dota either
Boom/OG is living up to my expectations
damn that was a hell of a team fight in pgd lgd vs hokori
pretty insane
ame was about to get blown up in a stun but enigma comes in black holes to buy time for him while hes still shallow graved and he comes out of stun and sunders enigma for hp reset
wins the fight and rosh cause of it
Boom looked good but OG is magic
ye their early game they chased around the 4 that arent tb lol
tb just outfarmed pl
- some other mistakes like beast diving into their base

PL could have out carried, but they overcommitted on one high ground
And then the chain feed
this ember is producing insane damage too lol
honestly the og and lgd games looked kinda similar 
eg obliterating soniqs but it is soniqs
i didnt realize they gave morph his lvl 25 talent as shard until recently
questionable decision
Wow hokori
ye taking a game off psg
dont think psg lgd mind that tho
think they let morph go through their to test limits a bit
imba hero
I'm looking forward to another TI defined by Morph \s
surprised they didnt try a diffusal hero against it instead of void
dont think chrono solves it when he buys shard lol
actually kinda idiotic to give the hero that
it was previously his level 25 talent, but ig they gave it to him as the shard
just a massive safety blanket
liquid getting clapped this 2nd game
but seems like a little bit of experimentation
This black widow broodmother skin is fucked up.
lgd dropping game to hokori 
experimental game 

GG seem strong
ye
close game
almost clawed it back
tb looking good so far 3-0 i think lol
holy
ame respawn tp back die
Lot of matches going 1-1

Im just happy to finally watch some dotka
Ye dunno if im fan of bo2 lol












