Dota

[vital pollen]

zai needs to stop playing pos3

hes been shit ever since he swapped

[tender fox]

he was like the best pos3 at some point when his hero pool fitted

axe/sk etc

[vital pollen]

i dont remember zai ever being good on pos3

[tender fox]

was insane first time in secret iirc

[vital pollen]

right after he switched he was beyond doglike

with the way the game is played now

i think a lot of teams should make transitions

lots of pos1 players that would be better off playing pos3 imo

surprised we dont see puck at all in EU qual

[tender fox]

haha gorgc asked cr1t when they are firing bulba and hiring him

the awkward silence

[vital pollen]

but yeah idk

puck still seems super good

but its not a free hero anymore, you actually need to have a toptier puck player

[tender fox]

goonsquad played puck a lot

[vital pollen]

http://puu.sh/JlPoz/978eb655df.png

cn qualifier

tbf thats all maybe

[errant tusk]

why no analyst panels after games

[tender fox]

[errant tusk]

problem of eg is what is problem of nigma

the difference is nigma is in actaul region with teams that try

[vital pollen]

think it was jenkins who explained it at some point

rtz likes bulba cause he drafts him the heroes he wants to play. bulba stays in the team where he knows he wont get kicked, and continues doing the same drafts forever

[errant tusk]

the no panel part or the nigma/eg thing

oh yea

i mean listening to players what they wanna play coz its comfy

is just bad

[vital pollen]

as long as rtz is in the team, bulba will be there as well

[errant tusk]

and embracing same playstyle all the time

just wasted potential sadly

[vital pollen]

it can be good

in a real tournament

[tender fox]

naga meta is back

[errant tusk]

they need a coach/drafter that will challenge them idk

[tender fox]

rtz

[vital pollen]

naga aint good

its just

EU teams dont know how to play the game

if you look at the really good matches

you have 30+ kills 15minutes in almost every game

cause its just

hyper aggression and pressure

EU teams just farm

[tender fox]

has it even been a lot of good matches this patch

[vital pollen]

and play safe

so naga fits

but against a good team

[tender fox]

all quals has been kinda stompy

[vital pollen]

youll just get rolled over

well its cause DPC was dogshit

and you have good teams from cis/sea/china not qualifying

cause you only have 2 majors and one of them in a country where chinese/russian/SEA players have almost no chance of getting a visa now

[tender fox]

valve inviting behind close doors worked better

[vital pollen]

so yeah

it did

but its just this fucked DPC this time

with no chinese teams at one major

and having garbage NA teams auto qualify just for showing up

[tender fox]

ye the same amount of teams from every region is also kinda cringe when some regions are so more stacked and teams just cba to relocate

[errant tusk]

yea

i mean just look at thunder predator last TI

0-18 legendary performance

or 0-16 0-20

fuck i dont know

[tender fox]

3 eu regions inc

crystallis naga

oh fucking chen pos3

[torn girder]

secret getting shat on

[vital pollen]

ye

like

they just dont have a naga

why doesnt he song

and let your team tp

[tender fox]

why sing and waste mana

his team is not important

[vital pollen]

imagine if you lose against pos3 chen

gotta be on suicide watch

[tender fox]

pure spamming ur washed up voiceline

[vital pollen]

yeah hes definitely a cocky lil fucker

not a very likeable player

but dude is 18 so

was the same shit with sumail back then

[tender fox]

ammar sounds hilarious when he speak in gorgcs stream

insane that he uses legacy keys

the kid is 17

[vital pollen]

but yeah like

its funny is entity puts secret into their place like this

seeing how crystallis was with entity and then got replaced by pure

[torn girder]

[stiff pebble]

[tender fox]

did he leave for secret or kicked and then joined secret

[vital pollen]

he left

week later they picked up pure

now theyre gonna wafflestomp secret into last chance qual

[tender fox]

i dunno why ppy always does this give away morph+invoker again

always try to anti stuff instead of banning

[vital pollen]

thats the ppy way

he doesnt play to win, he plays to acquire knowledge

hes either a genius or an idiot for it

[tender fox]

ye he has always done its often why they go out in ti's etc when they are faves

[vital pollen]

hes like xiao8

think you can play against collapse magnus

[tender fox]

hubris

or something

[vital pollen]

well

if they win

they look great

[tender fox]

yeah and can leave it in the pool etc and ban other shit but

[vital pollen]

thats why a team like LGD is at that level

and other teams are not

gotta try some stuff and be innovative

individually it might be a bad call

but that attitude has gotten them to where they are

and why theyre considered the best of the best

[tender fox]

except for in finals

[vital pollen]

well yeah

but like

its just one series right

its one that has a big payday

but lgd still has one of the highest winrates out of all teams

exactly because of that attitude and drafting style

so its hard to really call it stupid

although not banning collapse mag was definitely a mistake

[versed matrix]

pep guardiola of dotas

just outsmarts himself

[tender fox]

well tehre is a time and place for everything

when ur in a final maybe be abit more conservative and just ban what owns u

[vital pollen]

or maybe in a final you pull out the strats you didnt get to show yet

[tender fox]

but i dunno prolly mental also at this point

[vital pollen]

its just about trust

[tender fox]

get a mental coach

[vital pollen]

you saw that in the OG truesight

you often just pick people what they think is good at that point

if your team says "we can deal with this mag"

you dont ban it

[torn girder]

and then lose

[errant tusk]

xiaobet

[vital pollen]

well yeah but like

whats the alternative

[errant tusk]

naga is a bad pick this game

[vital pollen]

not trusting your team, or the team not trusting the coach/drafter?

if your mid says "gimme x, ill crush the game" and you say "nah, its bad"

then youre a bad coach imo

[errant tusk]

2nd time full team dc

what a fucking FIESTA

[tender fox]

well if u got 20y of dota experience and u only lose to 1 hero u just say this is first ban no discussion and go from there

[torn girder]

ye dunno lmao

lets just let them have magnus because we think we can deal with it

or just ban it

[vital pollen]

not if you prepped a strategy and you and your team decided you can beat it

[errant tusk]

@vital pollenesports needs personalities idk

so being cocky/trashtalking is good

[vital pollen]

so you lose once, and then its a matter of whether you feel your strat didnt work, or you didnt execute it properly

its like progressing on a fight

[errant tusk]

i bet pure doesnt understand that

and he just does it for lulz

[vital pollen]

if people play the strat bad, do you abandon it? or do you keep trying until you succeed

theres a lot of hindsight there

[errant tusk]

seeing as he almost fucked his career over writing sth stupid on minimap

[vital pollen]

if they lose game1 to mag and then stomp it game 2+3

they look genius

[vital pollen]

well

[tender fox]

memeing his own team now

[vital pollen]

what he did was less trashtalking between players

and more of a political statement

[errant tusk]

naa ofc

[vital pollen]

and i think politics should stay out of sports competitions

[errant tusk]

i get that

[vital pollen]

but youre absolutely right

i love trashtalking

talked to flip lately

told him upper karazhan is in TGP tournament

he called its bad dungeon

i made fun of him for falling off in upper all the time

[errant tusk]

its just i meant to underline that pure doesnt understand these things

he's just stupid kid

[vital pollen]

ye

hes like

og sumail

or rtz

deleting tweets every other week

cause he said something dumb

[errant tusk]

idk where i talked about it

but it just doesnt happen ever in real sports right

because regular sports are established/they have multiple advisors

so on and so forth

[vital pollen]

i still remember charlie from EG talking about how he basically had to play dad for sumail

[errant tusk]

its not that there is less stupid young players like pure

in idk basketball

[vital pollen]

and try to keep him from posting stupid shit

[errant tusk]

or some other mainstream sport

its just theyre toned down

[vital pollen]

i think with professional sponsors and everything having a much larger stake in the teams

[errant tusk]

ye eg cares about that

[vital pollen]

theres more control over this stuff

[errant tusk]

and were ahead of the curve

when it comes to PR/managing that stuff

[tender fox]

well sumail was also kinda 15yo who just came from pakistan

way younger

[vital pollen]

in pures case its like... from his pov it was probably something innocent and stupid. from other peoples perspective it was a major issue

but i didnt like the way valve handled it

DQing entire team for it

when weve had much worse stuff from people like ceb or notail

[torn girder]

what did pure do to dq his team lol

[vital pollen]

he drew a "Z" on the minimap

during the initial stages of russian/ukraine war

[tender fox]

russian pro war symbol

[vital pollen]

yeah

basically the symbol that was being used to support the russian invasion

[torn girder]

think even at 18 you shouldnt be dumb enough to do that

[distant yoke]

he should prob change that Z to an L these days

[vital pollen]

i mean

imo you just gotta keep politics out of the game

whether or not you agree with him or the situation shouldnt matter anyway

[torn girder]

ye lol

[tender fox]

kinda weird VP is still branded outsiders though or was it some other reason for that?

[torn girder]

never knew why they did that

[errant tusk]

its not as simple as that

[vital pollen]

its a rebranding

[errant tusk]

its not like he gets same info as you do in your country

[vital pollen]

as VP was heavily connected to sanctioned individuals/orgs

[distant yoke]

cus poor poor ruski boys

[torn girder]

yea true

[vital pollen]

they created a new brand

lorentz linked a great video on it if you wanna watch it DK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qmQs2LbnaE

[distant yoke]

ye a video from another russian is certainly not biased

[vital pollen]

nah its more a video just showing the rift between people

like mother/daughter or brother/sister

due to the conflict

100% worth a watch

made me help understand why theres so much support for the war

and how difficult it is for people to reconcile because of it

[torn girder]

ye i mean a lot of the younger generation sees it for what it is

[vital pollen]

but yeah

not really a dota topic

im just very careful with judging people who live in a different environment than i do

who dont have near infinite access to educate themselves

anyway

lose to pos3 chen

nice

nisha sold his items?

http://puu.sh/JlPUI/0f33651a79.jpg

[torn girder]

uh oh

[tender fox]

did naga even use song once

[versed matrix]

secrekt

[vital pollen]

nah

[versed matrix]

washed

[vital pollen]

just like khezu just said

you gotta stop pickjing shit that doesnt wanna fight for 20minutes

[versed matrix]

crystallis is a bogged agent

[vital pollen]

you have to go up into it, and you gotta be better at it

[versed matrix]

inside job

[torn girder]

agent

[tender fox]

only decent performance from cryst is on mk/slark i think

[errant tusk]

naga was tarsh in this game

idk why even pick it

and it was their last pick

[tender fox]

but watch ppy give em invoker+morph again

secret stealing invoker chen

ammar logic is so good

[vital pollen]

atm logic?

puppey getting outdrafted again

with the sf/visage bait

hearing 33 again

after we used to play together like 4 or 5y ago

idk how visage can be this farmed

against exort invo

[errant tusk]

nisha seems tapped out

[vital pollen]

ye

visage is omega weak

lv 1-5

[errant tusk]

ye

[vital pollen]

shouldve had 30+ denies

as exort

but think he had like

18 or 19

before visage hit 6

could see that in paparazzi vs maybe when maybe played visage

paparazzi had like 30 denies before visage hit 6

1.2k networth difference at that point

[tender fox]

well isnt paparazi like the best 1v1 midder world or was at least

won mid tourney as pos1

[vital pollen]

theyre both absolutely insane laners, ye

its a joy watching them play honestly

theres like

maybe 2 or 3 players worldwide that are at a similar level imo

[tender fox]

remember watching some paparazi vs yaphets clips

he is like yaphets student or something

[vital pollen]

i mean yaphets is a meme

[tender fox]

calling legendary sf gamer a meme

[vital pollen]

imo only mids atm that can keep up

are bzm and abed

nisha tilts too much

sumail is no longer in his prime

[errant tusk]

i mean nisha plays like his

7th dota today

pro dota even

[vital pollen]

yeah

but i never thought of nisha as a lane dominator

[errant tusk]

idk he solo kills people quite a bit

[vital pollen]

whats crazy to me about maybe, always has been, is how he wins matchups he has no business in winning

nisha often gets a favorable matchup tho

they play and draft around it

its like old miracle

[errant tusk]

yea he gets last pick often

or draft around him ytea

[vital pollen]

its their win condition in a lot of games

[errant tusk]

but he's been carrying

[vital pollen]

and hes doing a great job at it

[errant tusk]

hard

for entire season

its been nisha show for a long time in secret

either nisha 1v9s or its rough

[vital pollen]

but the reason i think people like og sumail or maybe are just a level ahead, is cause they win lanes they shouldnt win, against other t1 mid players

[errant tusk]

now its a bit better with reso

[tender fox]

but what about nts gets sacked always but still owns

[vital pollen]

nts isnt a good laner

but his teamfighting and item choices are just insanely good

his understanding and prediction of enemy movement and itemization is what makes him so valuable

[errant tusk]

unless its a grand final

then they do dumbest shit ever

[vital pollen]

[errant tusk]

[vital pollen]

nts almost always loses his lane

but doesnt matter

maybe doesnt lose mid

at least i dont remember the last time it happened

[tender fox]

well they almsot never do anythign to help him either

[vital pollen]

i just want maybe to win a TI

[tender fox]

but well lgd often lose all lanes

[vital pollen]

ye

but its planned

they pick weak lanes but know they have better rotations or teamfights

so its a calculated loss

all according to the directors plan

[tender fox]

will lgd even play any tourney on new patch before ti

[vital pollen]

i mean theyre scrimming

[versed matrix]

entity wins TI

[vital pollen]

nah

[versed matrix]

ez qualifier practice

[vital pollen]

their offlane isnt good enough imo

stormstormer is impressive tho

dude has grown a lot as a player

[versed matrix]

that nyx carapace

pog

baited on a free creep wave

[vital pollen]

carapace initiation

is cancer

cause he gets a second one in the teamfight

[tender fox]

looks pretty good for secret

[vital pollen]

nah

they used everything

for a visage kill

that doesnt have shard yet

and SF wasnt there

entity just runs it down

5man now

[tender fox]

sf was there but couldnt do anything

[vital pollen]

and win in 10minutes

nah sf was bot

he didnt cast any spells that fight

other than a requiem

that didnt do anything

visage gets shard now

and then it cant die

sf shard

is kinda busted imo

[versed matrix]

secret are done

unless they make some big plays

[vital pollen]

entity has to throw this

lowkey feels they didnt ban seeker and had to pick it themselves so entity wouldnt pick it against pango

[versed matrix]

idk out of all the games ive watched most of them crystallis has been zero impact

[vital pollen]

i dont get the seeker pick

against visage/dp early

they clearly wanna stand there and fight

dunno what the seeker does

against that

bloodrite? neither of those heroes care about being silenced

nice toss play

big reso plays

[versed matrix]

not a huge sf fan tbh

[tender fox]

they are roasting resos aghs buy so hard

[vital pollen]

gorp and the rest hating on the agha buy

i legit think its really good

his entire job is to fuck up the sf

aghs allows him to do that a lot better

[versed matrix]

if SF dies the whole team is gone

[vital pollen]

ppy gonna blame having to play 7games

after they lose

after asking for reschedule

[tender fox]

lol

[vital pollen]

well played

[tender fox]

alliance gave entity the hardest games

[vital pollen]

yeah idk

xtreme to me is basically guaranteed

only weak spot is their drafitng

but gameplay wise

theyre just a level ahead

[tender fox]

what is even the format for last chance

[vital pollen]

what gorp just said

"theyve been together for a long time, like one year"

how is that a long time

[tender fox]

he was talking about crystallis was with them 1 year and then they started ownign when he left

so he must feel bad

[vital pollen]

yeah i know

but like

how is 1year

a long time to play together

i guess in EU dota it is

where everybody swaps teams every 3 weeks

[tender fox]

its a whole season pretty long

always a shuffel after ti or so

[vital pollen]

idk, other players and duos have played together in the same team for like

3-5years

sticking together for 1 season isnt long

its just that the scene is so fucking volatile

and no one grows as a team anymore

and thats why EU has been dogshit for years

[versed matrix]

EG just invited to TI because of region is funny

china wins TI this year

trust

[vital pollen]

it definitely seems like its up to spirit to foil a chinese victory this year

cuz i dont see another team that plays at that level

[tender fox]

Bulba got it

[vital pollen]

OG has a chance if misha doesnt get a visa and ceb is standin again

[tender fox]

Og aint bad

[vital pollen]

but if its the regular OG squad, then theres no shot they win imo

[versed matrix]

OG have been decent but all the games ive watched recently have been with a stand in

[vital pollen]

theyre too new and lack an experienced ingame shotcaller

[versed matrix]

ceb goat

[vital pollen]

ceb hardcarried them every game, either through gameplay or his calls

[versed matrix]

mentality for sure too

[vital pollen]

http://puu.sh/JlSRd/b684b6501f.jpg

fuck me this game

was tough

http://puu.sh/JlSRP/48bbdf7f68.jpg

even naga bought blink

to catch me

for blink bloodthorn on me

dazzle shard vs naga illusions though

[vital pollen]

https://v.redd.it/1mvc60xuewo91/DASH_1080.mp4

that is some sick gameplay

[buoyant sage]

lmao okay

[vital pollen]

Had to watch it 3 times to see how he knew

[lyric nimbus]

@stray grove Bank down 100m in the last month

[vital pollen]

Okay

Seeking refuge here?

I'll allow it

[stray grove]

what is this channel

[buoyant sage]

it's a safe place for people with good taste in video games

so you can stay

[stray grove]

[lyric nimbus]

Oh I didn’t even realize I ended up in the Dota channel

What the hell how did that end up here?

[stiff pebble]

Run!!

[buoyant sage]

[vital pollen]

cause this is a safe space

its a refuge for sane people

[lyric nimbus]

[versed matrix]

no hataro space

[lyric nimbus]

[vital pollen]

dota hataro is manageable

[lyric nimbus]

Well god damn sign me up

[vital pollen]

but yeah, despite playing dota, he hasnt found his way in here yet either. no zoomers too

[lyric nimbus]

But I’m a zoomer

[stiff pebble]

Lol

[buoyant sage]

It's our temple

We watch Dota, we are outcasts

But we are zen

[vital pollen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i_Wd4LP3Xk

hahahaha

GH: i suggested lina!

http://puu.sh/Jmsnn/1f04b7291f.jpg

[stiff pebble]

[buoyant sage]

[vital pollen]

http://puu.sh/JmsvP/5f916cd0d2.jpg

hahaha

[stiff pebble]

[vital pollen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1GAzlqr3ds

[torn girder]

Oh shit

True sight 2021 is coming in 2 days

[vital pollen]

yeah theyre doing these final insights

every day

yday they did ti7

hahahaha

"lets mute them" against og

http://puu.sh/JmBVJ/2d44ecba9a.jpg

[torn girder]

[stiff pebble]

[vital pollen]

http://puu.sh/JmBYS/7db23f4dc4.jpg

[tender fox]

In one of those s4 didnt say anything but hi once

[vital pollen]

http://puu.sh/JmC3V/87adc85051.jpg

[vital pollen]

http://puu.sh/JmCdq/c890e17954.jpg

[stiff pebble]

[tender fox]

What would they write on kyxy moment

[vital pollen]

but yeah its mostly the old truesight

just with some scenes/audio changed

and a bunch of additioanl facts and info

[versed matrix]

I dont remember anything from ti7

was a nice watch

[versed matrix]

25 minutes until true sight

[torn girder]

true sight always gives me chills

[distant yoke]

yatoro is a gamer

[torn girder]

Yea im half way through

[torn girder]

"I was so farmed, fuck" - Ame

[distant yoke]

am i the only one that thinks its weird that we're getting LCQ so close to the main event?

so are we going from LCQ instantly into TI group stages then?

[tender fox]

well they have to fly everyone there for it so make sense to have it just before

[distant yoke]

did it have to be a LAN event?

[tender fox]

u think they gonna play online from every region in the world

[distant yoke]

yes

thats the only chance Liquid has of qualifying

[tender fox]

euw quals delayed due to lag within region

ppy not gonna complain on sea servers

[distant yoke]

i read that Goonsquad played with shit MS

and basically lost cus of it

and the admins refused to change servers

meanwhile Secret got their game delayed a lot for the same reason

[tender fox]

big org advantage

[distant yoke]

ye still kinda bullshit

so much money in the pot

[errant tusk]

both teams didnt have enough leverage to go and say fuck off we wont play

coz they'd just tell them to fuck off and yea here is your chance at biggest tournament of the year

[errant tusk]

yea it was a thing before on some tis that you had wild cards/last chance quals few days before

ti2 or ti3 maybe

[distant yoke]

ti3 the best one ever

ALULIANCE

[errant tusk]

[tender fox]

but before it was like 3 teams in wc

now its like another tourney

have they eevn released format yet

oh they did, group b is way harder but its just for ub/lb and only 2 per group get lb

[errant tusk]

https://liquipedia.net/dota2/The_International/2022/Last_Chance_Qualifier

actually insane that it has grp

thought its just gonna be insta playoffs single elim

but this is even 'event' in itself

[tender fox]

i mean make sense to get some kind of seeding

[errant tusk]

they're reseeding then

kinda

because you could've done seeding based on your performance in your qualifier

[tender fox]

well this is to balance it out cus some quals is way better

[errant tusk]

its better

better teams have higher odds of winning

the way they're doing it

[tender fox]

interesting that htey are back to virtus pro

or just a liquipedia miss

seem like they just appointed a new CEO from armenia so maybe rebuilding brand

[errant tusk]

no idea

[distant yoke]

they are back to being Virtus pro ye

also that LCQ is kinda stacked

[errant tusk]

ye its hard

[buoyant sage]

btw this goes hard

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5SEt6MfPfuVKuYqIwHavVy?si=5056ee91e6334c39

[severe sail]

I was very impressed by how big the LCQ was, I was expecting something more like the TI5-TI9 wild card stage but expanded

I wonder if this will do some kind of jump-starting the TI meta development

[errant tusk]

hmm i think that already happened a bit in quals in general

because quals were fairly imbalanced like id say eu and chinese one are by far most competitive one

like i dont expect sea team to qualify through LCQ

so its a weird one idk

i like its this big of a format/lots of games etc

means best team will win

[vital pollen]

the fuck

they basically invited

every single caster

even the most dogshit t3 ones

but bkop didnt get in?

https://twitter.com/Bkop92/status/1571568438434304000

Bkop (@Bkop92)

Maybe it's time for a new path this doesn't seem to be working out

Twitter · Sep 18, 2022, 6:34 PM

this is fucking tragic

[tender fox]

moxxi

so many australians and shit ive never heard of

china talent list got so many og pros

[vital pollen]

like

how

bkop is easily one of the top3 casters in terms of game knowledge

probably only cap as a play-by-play caster who is better

[buoyant sage]

slacks

[vital pollen]

no JJ no bkop

[errant tusk]

thank god moxxi is there

[buoyant sage]

as long as theres Ephey, Slacks and Jenkins Im happy

[vital pollen]

just sucks

for bkop

dude has crohns and has been working his ass off for years despite his condition to be around for as many casts as possible

easily the most knowledgeable caster china caster

but better invite moxxi

[buoyant sage]

yeh he did a good job during arlington major

moxxi is fine imho

[vital pollen]

in terms of game knowledge bkop is definitely one of the best casters in general

so its quite sad

guess he doesnt really have an established duo

cn qual was with lizard

before that with black

[buoyant sage]

yeh maybe, I love watching a game shoutcasted by Sunsfan/Synderen

[vital pollen]

yeah its like

[buoyant sage]

while I didnt like Synderen as a player tho

[vital pollen]

sunsfan/synd, od/fogged and then bkop/black

what i like about bkop is that hes very critical

[buoyant sage]

I like Lyrical/Lacoste too

[vital pollen]

cause he knows the game and plays it well, so hes actually questioning and criticizing some moves or itembuilds etc.

lyrical improved a lot, ye

just dont like lacoste

[buoyant sage]

yeh I get it

[vital pollen]

but yeah

lots of other duos that are meh

just sad that him and JJ seemingly dont get invited

cuz of politics

[buoyant sage]

yeh

theres also an issue about russian/ukrainian casters

kyle wrote an article about it, but didnt bother reading cause it's Kyle

[vital pollen]

understandable 😄

wouldnt be a TI if there wasnt some russian broadcast talent drama

[buoyant sage]

yeh totally haha

[tender fox]

i mean if they kick out a player for drawing it they should kick out the casters who does it especially when it already been a case for it

actually brain dead

[buoyant sage]

yes agree

[tender fox]

where was gorp invite though

[tender fox]

this is some weird ass scheduling

must suck for ppl going there

have to take 2 week vacay and pay extra for accomodation and stuff

supposedly a player request but yeah its an event for the fans also

[stiff pebble]

Go take a vacation and then come back for the finals, you're somewhere you've never been before or maybe have. Big country either way.

[tender fox]

i dunno still weird

feel like hype will die down also but dunno

[stiff pebble]

Feels like it might be long enough that it's a hype reset 😐

[tender fox]

im guessing its lb final one day and grand final the next i dunno

not a fan

or maybe ub and lb and then gf last day

and they are gonna have the broadcast for most part in norway?

this all sounds so weird

[buoyant sage]

they did the league worlds style

I hate it

[tender fox]

rofl did coomers buy ephey sticks for 450$ and now they changed it

[distant yoke]

what was her stick? 👀

[buoyant sage]

Ephey

[tender fox]

stickers

but they added 50% revenue to talent voice lines option so she bout to get rich

[vital pollen]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/xwbwfg/man_vs_dota/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[severe sail]

Genius work

[tacit epoch]

pausing game because the guy is playing at work

[torn girder]

[tender fox]

gf asked to clean room*

[tender fox]

wtf last chance qualy started

[vital pollen]

Ye

[tender fox]

t1 topson ench mid

[tender fox]

vp losing to NA

[vital pollen]

Xg/VP now

2 of the favorites

[buoyant sage]

wtf

I didnt know

[tender fox]

veno having a good time

[errant tusk]

why do people pick troll

that ult is so dumb

always gets kited and killed

[vital pollen]

ye

they play it really well tho

and VP has no lockdown

they just send 1 hero in then dispose or rebound people around so the troll runs super deep

game wouldve been over alerady if XG didnt giga throw when they went highground

[errant tusk]

naa dont think so

they have such good poke on vp

[vital pollen]

yeah but they couldve just demolsihed base there

before lesh had shard

[errant tusk]

that chinese team cant play with no bkbs

[vital pollen]

but they dive behind t3 against shaker/veno

[errant tusk]

they need to win fight

in 6s window

coz you cant play with no bkb into vp

[vital pollen]

proper mexican standoff

dazzle mvp this game tho

[tender fox]

ramzes

[errant tusk]

ye nulli is too good

vs that lesh

[vital pollen]

ye

[errant tusk]

coz it dispels nihilism aghs

from you

so you dont etheral people around

its busted

and they got 2x nullis

[vital pollen]

was good read of teh fight tho

[errant tusk]

well ramzes got bashedd by rosh

what can he do lol

[vital pollen]

knowing lesh couldnt maintain stuns

cuz he started going low on mana

and tombstone down

no poison nova

[tender fox]

seems like a missplay to poke rosh from the beginning to even make that possible no?

[errant tusk]

ye but this one is done

[vital pollen]

even without that bash, paparazzi casted requiem outside of pit

and just feared him

[errant tusk]

why is it a mistake they have perma veno wards

[vital pollen]

XG just baited their abilities well

[errant tusk]

ye

[vital pollen]

lesh doesnt have the items to maintain perma stun spam

[errant tusk]

they baited psn nova well

[vital pollen]

poison nova+tombstone out

[errant tusk]

they could also JUST let them get rosh and JUST wait in base JUST hope they make some huge mistake

vp went for winning play

[vital pollen]

ye

[errant tusk]

can respect them for that

[vital pollen]

then youre just waiting for buyback plays basically

OG strat

[errant tusk]

ye fuck that

big respect to vp

for actually playing to win

[vital pollen]

ye

[errant tusk]

and not sitting base

[vital pollen]

just

[errant tusk]

20 minutes

and let them get 50k lead

[vital pollen]

lesh not farmed enough imo

if he has a mana item

[errant tusk]

well lesh was destroyed early game

[vital pollen]

he can maintain stun spams

[errant tusk]

he had 2,5k net in 10 minutes

he got destroyed

very hard

still came back

[vital pollen]

ye

[errant tusk]

relatively well

[vital pollen]

dy dazzle was fucking sick tho

always at the right position

[errant tusk]

ye dazzle grave

was insane

but ngl he has free dazzle game

0 backline jump

[vital pollen]

ye

[errant tusk]

he had nothing to worry about

[vital pollen]

no euls either

as a counter to the grave

no jump for him

the fact hes behind the sf there in that top fight under t2

was huge

and then the grave also just so good against troll

always forces him deep

was just 1 bash

from the bear there

just layered their control well on the troll

im really liking lou

[tender fox]

paparazi back to mid and lanm coach

[vital pollen]

as a newcomer carry player, basically no LAN experience, but has a massive hero pool and plays really fearless

[errant tusk]

i wouldnt count this as lan tbh

coz its studio lan

[vital pollen]

yeah

[errant tusk]

no viewers

not a stadium

[vital pollen]

so he has basically

no lan experience at all

he might choke on stage

XG hasnt played outside of china in over a year

[errant tusk]

speaking of choking

[tender fox]

assuming they get there

[errant tusk]

i wonder how tundra will do

[vital pollen]

idk

think TLC qual will just be

XG+secret

[errant tusk]

having seen last major

tundra looks like wasted slot

[vital pollen]

XG had all the hard games today already

[tender fox]

today doesnt rly matter though

[errant tusk]

grp play doesnt rly matter that much in general

[tender fox]

or seedings

[vital pollen]

kinda does

you need upper bracket

for 2 shots

[errant tusk]

people can adapt

yea upper bracket

but cmon

wildcard gaming

[tender fox]

ye but its 4 upper 2 down

[errant tusk]

arent even a legit team

they got 1 game only so far

[vital pollen]

yeah but their group is so much harder

[errant tusk]

against vp

[vital pollen]

than the other one

they played 1-1 liquid as well

[errant tusk]

oh did they

[vital pollen]

ye

[errant tusk]

i mean i cant see liquid getting through

even if they clean swept grp

i just know

they arent clutch

they always fail big games

[vital pollen]

http://puu.sh/JowYz/4be9bda025.png

[errant tusk]

no trust

[tender fox]

i mean wildcard played xg and vp and got 1 game

its not bad

[vital pollen]

if you look at these groups

b is just

so much harder

[errant tusk]

wasnt infamous

supposed to be good?

[vital pollen]

ye

[errant tusk]

or was it diff team

not sure

[vital pollen]

its basically

[errant tusk]

infamous is 2nd spot in sea qual ye?

[vital pollen]

SA/CN/CIS favs+liquid+t1

[tender fox]

nah south america

[vital pollen]

nah infamous is the good SA team

[errant tusk]

oh ok

[vital pollen]

then t1 is flopson+ana

polaris looked decent

[tender fox]

ye t1 did not look very solid

[vital pollen]

but the only way theyll win anything is if lelouch stops feeding his lead

[errant tusk]

ye t1 looked bad

[tender fox]

liquid was pretty good though

[errant tusk]

ye but thats liquid issue

[vital pollen]

lelouch imo one of the best mids

[errant tusk]

they look solid early on

but once it starts to matter

they lose big games

they lose important game 3 of a series

they are never clutch

idk

thats liquid issue throughout entire season with this roster

maybe they finally fix it for ti

[tender fox]

i can see xg+liquid making it

[vital pollen]

but i definitely like how XG and navi already picked some out of meta shit

to force some draft changes

[errant tusk]

if nisha doesnt make it

its criminal

easily top 5 player across entire world

and cant make it

coz gatekept by team

[vital pollen]

nisha is just

western maybe

but he needs his team to win

maybe just has a few games where he solo carries entire match

but yeah idk

secret+XG imo

cuz VP cant do well at TI

they just cant

[errant tusk]

ye vp curse

[tender fox]

i dont see secret doing well either

[vital pollen]

shouldve stayed

with outsiders teamname imo

better odds

[errant tusk]

idk secret was fine in qualifier

they were brand new team

if they used that time rly well to prepare

they can do damage

[vital pollen]

secret drawing match against VG isnt boding well

[errant tusk]

people have unrealistic expectations from brand new team like secret, they expect them to win everything and you dont just win instantly

[vital pollen]

yeah for sure

i wouldnt be surprised if they dont make it out of TLC

[errant tusk]

3 player swaps like 1 month before last chance qualifier

not last chance

[vital pollen]

cuz of some choke vs VP or liquid

in lower bracket

[errant tusk]

the regional qualifier

[vital pollen]

crystallis and zayac just not good enough yet imo

but they can be

[errant tusk]

ye but it wasnt only that

their drafts in game vs entity were rly bad

they got heavily outdrafted

in all of the games

they got shitstomped tbh

[vital pollen]

yeah

[errant tusk]

3-0 games werent rly close

[vital pollen]

i mean same with VP just now

[errant tusk]

entity had full control

[vital pollen]

every pick from XG

VP had no idea

or didnt prepare at all

like

despite XG being so predictable

[errant tusk]

i think they just werent aware how bad lesh/sf matchup is

[vital pollen]

cause they will give paparazzi SF if they can

[errant tusk]

because troll/lesh was good core duo

[vital pollen]

ye

[errant tusk]

this plan couldve worked

but they didnt understand lesh sf matchup

i guess

[vital pollen]

ye maybe

[errant tusk]

coz he got RLY deleted

[vital pollen]

and then

lane swap as well

[errant tusk]

if he has regular avg game

[vital pollen]

from pyw/dy

was really smart

[errant tusk]

they probably win

[vital pollen]

having the marci top vs veno/shaker

[errant tusk]

because lesh being too small hurt them

[vital pollen]

and dazzle against undying/troll

was so good

[errant tusk]

that 2nd rosh fight if lesh has tiny bit more

he has more resources and they get 2nd rosh

[vital pollen]

ye

[errant tusk]

and game swings

rly hard

[vital pollen]

lets hope

we get another brood

[errant tusk]

wait someone picked brood

[vital pollen]

ye

XG

twice already

[errant tusk]

lmao

[vital pollen]

was banned last game

pos3 brood

[errant tusk]

jesus

i expected noone would pick brood

fuck that hero

i expected noone would pick brood/meepo/arc warden

not navi noone

[vital pollen]

yeah it seems to be working for them

[errant tusk]

[vital pollen]

navi doing lots of silencer/visage

[errant tusk]

or is he not playing in navi even

[vital pollen]

so both these teams basically

adjusted drafts a bit already

came prepared with some new shit

[errant tusk]

undying still 1st pick

[vital pollen]

yeah

fuck that hero

honestly

[errant tusk]

that hero is autowin lane

[vital pollen]

the undying was useless that game

beyond laning stage

[errant tusk]

ye

but even if you're most braindamaged player ever

you win laning stage

1v2

[vital pollen]

yeah

but they didnt

[errant tusk]

do you know what lane i played into yday

[vital pollen]

cuz they laneswapped

[errant tusk]

undying + enigma

not only

[vital pollen]

haha

[errant tusk]

i had 0 xp

[vital pollen]

yeah idk man its like

[errant tusk]

but 0 will to live

aswell

[vital pollen]

undying in pubs

just goes

6mango

and you know

[errant tusk]

i won that game tho

[vital pollen]

its gonna be dumb game

when a hero can get away with 6 mangos

you know its fucking dumb

just like old ogre

or nyx

[errant tusk]

that BM ban

is it respect ban?

[vital pollen]

ye

DM can only play

[errant tusk]

ye

[vital pollen]

melee offlaners

so they ban BM

usually ban mars

and then DM goes bulldog mode

[errant tusk]

morphling is stupid good now

that aghs is toxic

[vital pollen]

vp respectbanning the brood again

lou is really good morph

just in general

[errant tusk]

i feel like most of the top carries are good morph

[vital pollen]

2nd best cn carry atm

[errant tusk]

because people like playing it coz its a fun hero to play