Dota

[vital pollen]

nah the storm wants to jump the backline

he wants to take out the marci

and the void after he commited one set of spells

but doubt youll see the storm engaging

theyve played this before with the poke

from void

[tender fox]

he was to quick didnt let storm disengage

faith_bian

[vital pollen]

that storm jump into dawn

was so fucking pog

collapse god

[versed matrix]

[vital pollen]

knowing he can get that killstreak

holy fuck

its just so beautiful

how they feint a disengage

make enemy collapse (pun intended) on one hero

only to go back in

[versed matrix]

TA is sad

[vital pollen]

razor needs a blink

to get on top of the dawn

[tender fox]

imagine lgd not losing lanes every time

[vital pollen]

works in their favor, weirdly enough

think their strength isnt just their teamplay but also just the mental effect they have on the enemy team, and how they feel comfortable and it leads to overcomitting

[versed matrix]

void spirit net in the dumpster

[tender fox]

lol refresher storm

[vital pollen]

double bkb

[versed matrix]

makes me want to play dotka

[vital pollen]

too powerful

with the bkb cd change

kinda need refresher these days

in lategame

just gonna starve them until rosh

with supports being farming in the riskiest spots

to break smokes

y always standing up front

[versed matrix]

theres still one series today

US major

[vital pollen]

how do you engage there

with the storm+void

jumping around

great dota

8 series of spirit vs LGD, they only won one. ti grand finals

[versed matrix]

gotem where it counted

[tender fox]

love it when they try to force hype from crowd

[vital pollen]

kinda nice seeing pudge as the big counter to the "broken" puck that lots of people were complaining about

[versed matrix]

not a fan of the og draft here

[vital pollen]

weird the enigma let himself gank there since he saw everybody coming

think loa also had 0% winrate so far

dunno why he keeps trying to land a hook on a nonstunned/slowed target instead of running at them with his maxed rot

maybe they should stop trying to kill a pos5 enchantress after failing it 5times

[vital pollen]

xxs brew is legit

[vital pollen]

what a nutty game

[vital pollen]

just checked that play from xinq on the tp cancel on MK at the end of game1. he actually scanned the treeline perfectly predicting where the mk would be and just dive+egged cause the scan hit smth

pings the lane and scans cause he knows mk will go there

[versed matrix]

im catching up on aster vs og, good game 2

[versed matrix]

CN vs CN finals maybe?

[vital pollen]

quick 1-0 it seems

unless they pull an LGD

[versed matrix]

I dont think ive seen jug win a game yet

[vital pollen]

getting curse stolen this many times is kinda embarrassing

wyvern threw that game so hard

not using cold embrace multiple times in early fights, letting his cores die

then gives away winters curse like 5times

[versed matrix]

gg

[versed matrix]

how long does it take to remake the game

idk why I find gareth extremely annoying

[vital pollen]

cause he has constant pauses in his sentences

and he has the most grating random inflections when he talks

so half his statements sound like a question

no normal human being talks like that, but he somehow thinks it makes it sound more epic

[versed matrix]

at least he wont be casting finals

[tender fox]

look so weird kill all but 0 damage

but just dives

[versed matrix]

rough game for storm

[tender fox]

p4 tiny doing a lot of work

[versed matrix]

void + dawn has been great for aster

against og as well

[tender fox]

bet ur thinking of lgd vs spirit

(aster lost the game of void+dawn vs og)

[versed matrix]

ye, that was it

void + panda was g3

[errant tusk]

i love tiny from pos 4 that can solo my 1700 hp storm spirit 25 minutes in

amazing hero

XD

[versed matrix]

they pick tiny themselves instead

[tender fox]

monet

the chain feed on bottom lane

[versed matrix]

hahaah

the spear

he was spearing the toss 100%

[tender fox]

Troll to useless

[versed matrix]

this cowboy shit is getting on my nerves

half of the runtime muted

especially with slacks on the screen

[tender fox]

bo5

[versed matrix]

PL gaming

[tender fox]

will prolly fall asleep after 3 games

[versed matrix]

pos1 pudge I havent seen yet

also mid tusk

what is going on in this game

[vital pollen]

the fuck

are these drafts

[versed matrix]

bo5 drafts

[errant tusk]

yatoro lmao

the trolling

[vital pollen]

imagine

being eliminated

in previous bo3 or losing TI qualifier

and then this is game1 grand finals

[tender fox]

the only one that can kill pudge will be like aghs enigma

double pulse

[errant tusk]

vessel fucks him

so its w/e

they need pl to get big

[tender fox]

pudge to big

[vital pollen]

psure pubs will be unplayable

next few weeks

after this pudge supremacy at the major

[errant tusk]

pudge 1 wasnt even that weird

happened from time to time

[vital pollen]

well yeah

but whens the last time youve seen it in proplay

[versed matrix]

LGD picks look better

[vital pollen]

kotl will outfarm the qop hard

then its just

BoTs

with the extra damage from the horsies

[versed matrix]

viper does nothing, razor just owns monke

naga kills them all

gets graved or song

[vital pollen]

they lost all their reserve time on their 3rd pick already

so kinda had to panic pick

think kunkka mid wouldve been better

[versed matrix]

yeah

[tender fox]

gorc strim > official

[versed matrix]

I havent seen a qop game in ages

[vital pollen]

well, its a faith bian razor

they dont really care if ame has a good game

only one of them has to

[versed matrix]

I dont think monkey does anything this game

[vital pollen]

theyll basically need both viper and bane to focus on keeping the razor in check

[versed matrix]

im cheering on spirit but lgd are just so good

and these weird picks are not helping that

[vital pollen]

i dont see who kills razor when he gets bkb

[tender fox]

losing lanes as usual

[versed matrix]

im going bedge after this game

[vital pollen]

theyre just sacrificing ame again

[errant tusk]

[vital pollen]

let the razor get bkb

[errant tusk]

1st time i see kotl has so little farm

[vital pollen]

ye

they lost t1 top too early

cause of that xinq snowball

[tender fox]

bane sentried his jungle also

[vital pollen]

he dewarded that fast

but they had a 3v4 engagement top, killed marci quick, kotl tped as well in preparation for another fight, and xinq rolled in

then they backed off, spirit got t1 top, and they still havent gotten mid t1 for lgd

[tender fox]

tokyo greedy

[vital pollen]

that was so fucking well played

with the snowball

if he gets the grave off there

[errant tusk]

lmao miposhka

goat

[vital pollen]

great plays

by both teams

[versed matrix]

this is about time when lgd start winning and its over

[tender fox]

qops networth 📉

[errant tusk]

qops nw is ok

kotl nw is low

that hero can have 6k nw in 10 minutes if not stopped

[tender fox]

was more from first to last of all cores

[versed matrix]

razor almost done with bkb refresher

yeah this one is just about turned

[vital pollen]

suddenly that naga is 4k NW ahead

[errant tusk]

razor with 10k nw does so much more than naga with 16k

[vital pollen]

yeah

[errant tusk]

that hero is trash anyway

you awlays need to be ahead as naga

[vital pollen]

razor is fucking disgusting

idk

[errant tusk]

to even do something

[vital pollen]

there was a fight in one of the upper bracket games

where the pos3 razor did 17k damage in one teamfight

with just 2 items

bkb+refresher

like

how is that okay

6k now

razor just plays blink now

and jumps into backline

with lv20 speed talent

and bane just dies from ult while he channels fiendsgrip

[errant tusk]

he shouldnt buy blink

naga illusions should kill bane

he cant protect himself

he should buy platemail/ac/shiva and just facetank mk

[vital pollen]

if he jumps backline his team can just follow

dont think razor can fight into monkey arena

[errant tusk]

if razor has naga nw

its over

[vital pollen]

ye

[errant tusk]

but naa pick rtz hero

true carry play

[vital pollen]

fighting under radiant vision

uncharacteristic for lgd

[versed matrix]

gotem

[errant tusk]

hope its gonna be 1-1

at least will be interesting

[vital pollen]

monkey just staying alive long enough for sidekick to keep him alive into jingu proc

kotl nullifier next maybe

y is so good

think ame should stop farming as much so the razor/kotl can get some more item progression

hahaha

OD just casting game now

on gorgc stream

the fact only 2 people die there

is kinda crazy

[versed matrix]

the viper almost soloed naga

[vital pollen]

the y dazzle

jesus

fuck

[versed matrix]

song just nullifies monkey ult

and they walk away

[distant yoke]

dazzul

[versed matrix]

grave ptsd

[errant tusk]

2,5k

for naga

rofl

[vital pollen]

ye lmao

almost double the networth

of the rest of the

t2 bot still stands for dire

[errant tusk]

next rosh is where its at

[vital pollen]

if monkey gets a refresher

they have a chance imo

[versed matrix]

ye, I like that

[vital pollen]

think lgd wants to finish this before minute 60

mirror shield or ex machina would benefit spirit much more than it would be them

that monkey arena

is bad

[versed matrix]

monkey is not going for refresh

[vital pollen]

yeah

qop used hers too

[versed matrix]

the only place they can fight is in his ult

[vital pollen]

all trying to kill the dazzul

and didnt even get him

[errant tusk]

nts doesnt deserve to win this game

actual legend 3 kotl player

[vital pollen]

yeah he kinda got destroyed by the qop

[errant tusk]

he lost laning on hero that doesnt lane

[vital pollen]

that marci just destroyed the razor

[wide geode]

Chinese Doto be strong af this Major.

[errant tusk]

he defied all odds

[vital pollen]

10k networth hero

[tender fox]

i duno faith bian kinda threw at rosh

he alrdy used refresher+ult first scirmage

ran up solo and just died

[vital pollen]

lgd getting worst items

rn

[tender fox]

mk

[errant tusk]

faith bian has insanely hard game

[vital pollen]

ye

[errant tusk]

always gets blink dispose from marci

actually impossible to play

he needs linken tbh

[vital pollen]

thats why mirror shield would be huge

but theyre still missing

[errant tusk]

i think no team got machina/mirror shield

so kinda w/e

[vital pollen]

lgd still missing 1 or 2 neutrals i think

[errant tusk]

or are teams on 4 items?

idk

mirror shield/machina biggest items by far

always

[versed matrix]

I hope spirit wins but this has been a good game

[errant tusk]

he got mirror shield

gaben wants them to win

[vital pollen]

so fucking dumb

book of shadows and mirror shield both huge for lgd

[rocky moon]

and that's only 2nd game

[vital pollen]

wonder if lgd just says "we dont mind if this goes long"

cause they have a pirate head

[tender fox]

waiting for smoke bd while naga sleep zone

[vital pollen]

lgd just waiting for bot to shove in

[rocky moon]

wait what, full talents?

what allows that?

[versed matrix]

30

[rocky moon]

I see, ty

[vital pollen]

ye

lv 26/27/29/30 give the talents you didnt pick yet

[rocky moon]

looks like stalemate of sorts

[vital pollen]

ye

but ame buyback used now

bot shoving in again

spirit has to commit now

[rocky moon]

bottom getting close

[tender fox]

the throne

[errant tusk]

i mean miposhka

deserved so much to win this

and nts didnt

[vital pollen]

ye

[errant tusk]

my world

didnt collapse

[vital pollen]

ame just kinda throwing

they stalemate at the rosh

[errant tusk]

ehh its just naga

bad hero

[vital pollen]

he has 18k gold

at that point

you go for throne?

glyph was used

[tender fox]

should have done some smoke with bot lane for throne and naga zoning with ult

[versed matrix]

gg

[vital pollen]

nah, no smoke

just

after he dies and buys back

[tender fox]

well he tpd while he died

[versed matrix]

how can I go bedge after this

[vital pollen]

i mean hes sitting on 20k gold

if he has no refresher in base or on courier

then hes not playing a lategame carry

[rocky moon]

same

have to wake up in 5:40

[versed matrix]

I have the alarm set for 7:25

[vital pollen]

xinq not having aghs

:<

but great game

3 more of these please

[versed matrix]

tbh without that dazzle

they would have been toast

[tender fox]

They are used to winning in 30, i dunno naga is just

Does nothing but suck up all farm and split

[errant tusk]

perfect rtz hero

hit creep

lose game

[vital pollen]

arcanist armor is just garbage

same as blademail

[versed matrix]

1k gpm

[vital pollen]

idk

[versed matrix]

lose game

[vital pollen]

just didnt have damage

but yeah

great play from the pos 5s

NTS looked lost on kotl

btw dunno if you saw

https://clips.twitch.tv/CaringBreakablePuddingMikeHogu-wKY2jAMF3Sv75szb

[errant tusk]

ye saw that

i was out yday

so missed games

tho

og can be only upset at yuragi

coz they'd be upper bracket finals

if not literal choke

[vital pollen]

ye

[torn girder]

weird naga pick lol

[vital pollen]

guess now that

xiao8 cant throw it by not banning mag 3times in a row

he'll just draft naga 3times

and lose with it?

[torn girder]

feels like spirit safe lane will feed if they dont get a carry that can jump over fissure

lol was half expecting sven into naga

wait why zeus 4 lmao

ah ig to help offlane

[torn girder]

what a fucking blink my god

[vital pollen]

i mean that was just misplay tho

timber can just drop chakram

so you cant blink out from song

[torn girder]

ye true

but they were both under exo lmao

cant blame honestly

[vital pollen]

i dont understand what they see in the naga

[torn girder]

probably overvalue song

[vital pollen]

they won the entire tournament with pos1s that could fight early or join fights early

then theyre 1-0 ahead with a really cool pudge 1

and now they play a style of dota they havent played all tournament

[distant yoke]

It's the pep guardiola syndrome

[torn girder]

idk they have definitely played games from behind and clawed it back

maybe they respect spirit too much

[vital pollen]

well thats the entire tourney, really

but why naga

the hero doesnt do shit

[distant yoke]

he goes far into every big tournament and then he starts doing weird shit in the semis and finals and eventually loses

[torn girder]

good farmer even while behind

good for wave cutting

[vital pollen]

yeah but only he farms

no other hero

they won the entire tourney by having faith bian get good farm on pos3

now theyve played 2 games already with an underfarmed faith bian

[torn girder]

i think they wanted to just run at them while naga farmed

but didnt work out

they have pretty good run at you comp for first bit of game

dp shaker bane timber

[vital pollen]

yeah maybe. but thats really dangerous when you dont play your lanes well in the first place

and then wanna play 4v5 somehow

[torn girder]

ye

this timber is very very sad

[vital pollen]

or rather, they play the lanes well, but their lanes are just weak cause they typically draft around good teamfight synergy

give that timber 2-3k more networth and he actually lives on those initiations and fights

[torn girder]

ye

they are going for radiance lol

rat mode turned on

[vital pollen]

nah

naga isnt a rat hero anymore

it just shoves waves, but 10 other heroes do that too

[torn girder]

oh yikes

he fiends gripped there too

ye thats too far gone

[distant yoke]

wtf

[vital pollen]

yeah

maybe stop drafting

[torn girder]

surprised to see them gg it but

[vital pollen]

a fucking useless carry

[distant yoke]

[vital pollen]

i dont understand xiao8 sometimes

[distant yoke]

watch them pick naga again

[torn girder]

dp and timber became way too poor

[vital pollen]

ye

[errant tusk]

time for naga 3rd time

[vital pollen]

ye

[errant tusk]

[torn girder]

[vital pollen]

into 1-3

[torn girder]

nah

they will come in rn

[distant yoke]

didnt he draft io like 3 times in the grand finals

[torn girder]

with some faceless void

[vital pollen]

its just typical LGD

play all tourney with full team synergies and setups

get into grandfinals

play weird shit they never played before

couldve legit played a void or PL there

[torn girder]

this game FV is coming almost certainly

[vital pollen]

instead of naga

[torn girder]

i am surprised that lgd gg'd it after like 1 big fight loss

rare

i wonder if mira knows that thundergods probably won them the game

[vital pollen]

ehh

if they had a plan and know it failed

why commit to a bad game

just gg go next

instead of wasting another 30min in a long drawn out game

when you already missed your timing

[torn girder]

the anti-tilt gg

[buoyant sage]

yatorogod

[torn girder]

he didnt solo that game as much as he did that one game he played morph

need a nice tb game from yatoro

lmfao ame's mask

ok rubick

2-2 go next

rubick shit hero go again

[vital pollen]

at least this game i dont really get the rubick

[buoyant sage]

its a good pos 5 imho but here I dont see the point ye

[torn girder]

rubick is a hard to execute hero even when there are really op spells to steal

how are you gonna play it when your best spell to take is like

ck stun

[buoyant sage]

ye here it wont do shit most likely

[vital pollen]

well ck stun with rubick castrange and debuff duration increase

can be quite nasty and gamechanging

[torn girder]

yea its good

that was picked post rubick pick though

think rubick was picked to block phoenix pick

you can steal egg while egg is up right

[vital pollen]

nah

have to wait until egg ends

and with shard you cast sunray during egg anyway

[torn girder]

ah nvm then

i really dont get it then

[vital pollen]

i dont understand the rubick pick at all

mightve been to protect against an enigma

but like

ehh

[torn girder]

ok just

g next i think lmao

[vital pollen]

actually insane

that no one dies

the fuck

[torn girder]

wow

[buoyant sage]

pog

stolen static field insane!!

[vital pollen]

ye

and ame attacked like 10times without a crit

[torn girder]

that looked really bad

[vital pollen]

so the rubick didnt die

[torn girder]

and then qop ulted lol

[vital pollen]

then the qop didnt die

[torn girder]

and somehow lived

forever

in middle of 4 guys

how the fuck does that happen

[vital pollen]

ame didnt have phantasm

and he didnt crit

[buoyant sage]

after his blink I saw toronto dead like 500%

sure dead

but no

[vital pollen]

4hits on qop alone and no crits

[torn girder]

he had big wand

big wand and raindrops

[vital pollen]

when its 33% chance 😄

[buoyant sage]

classic

[torn girder]

wow

[buoyant sage]

no way lmao

[vital pollen]

yeah

chen too strong

[buoyant sage]

heal too strong

[torn girder]

are they really gonna win this with how bad they got rinsed during draft

[vital pollen]

not just the heal

ice armor

on entire team

[torn girder]

collapse

[buoyant sage]

looool

[vital pollen]

razor getting decent farm out of these fights tho

[buoyant sage]

ye and kk bkb now too

[vital pollen]

honestly doesnt even feel like lgd is losing a lot

in these fights

they still progress items

its mostly their vision that sucks

once kunkka and ck get bkbs

not really sure what spirit does in these fights

spirit basically gotta get the bristle aghs online asap somehow

[torn girder]

yea

def need the aghs

it feels like the fights they've won they barely won

[vital pollen]

ck will just demolish the backline

once he gets 1 more item

[torn girder]

ye rubick chen gonna get slapped

[vital pollen]

and lv18

refresher razor

[torn girder]

frontline chen

[vital pollen]

hmye

blink pickup on ck is great

seeing that way too little

carries with an early blink pickup

[torn girder]

collapse getting no food

[vital pollen]

doesnt have to

his only job is to call the razor

when he popped his bkb and double ult

feels like this qop needs to go more right click

guessing the bristle will go ac

so qop shiva into hex

or shiva into refresher potentially, her bkb is already going low duration

they get perfect jump on io and still lives forever

once that silver edge is done on kunkka, that bristle will just die to ck in like half a second

[torn girder]

oh myfucking god that call

jfc

[vital pollen]

razor just fucked up

not using bkb

[errant tusk]

its not rly razors fault

they didnt deward hill

[vital pollen]

yeah

they lost 2 games now

to that uphill ward

and 4sec chaos bolt reflect

killed ame

[torn girder]

yea spirit just playing fight with full vision

es dieback

[errant tusk]

ptsd.lgd

[torn girder]

refresher for bkb

lmfao

thats a feelbad moment

[vital pollen]

ame just throwing too many games again in finals

sadge

dunno why he felt he could fight into 5 heroes there mid

[torn girder]

yea that was an odd move lmao

that 3 man call that fight tho

[vital pollen]

not even sure if that changed much

that fight was already lost

[torn girder]

uhhh

idk

[vital pollen]

i mean, if lgd would be in good form

[torn girder]

it was +/- evenish

[vital pollen]

theyd crawl back

[torn girder]

and then 3 man call happened

fight looked really iffy until then idk

[vital pollen]

razor was already dead

ck ultra low hp

was only kunkka w/o bkb and no spells

[torn girder]

gg

[vital pollen]

ame goes in without bkb

[torn girder]

nvm

worthy buyback

chen getting caught was no good

[vital pollen]

think xinq is being too aggressive

he needs to pick up the slack

in terms of dewarding and warding

[buoyant sage]

also Im not sure about relo xinq

[vital pollen]

lgd losing the vision game

[torn girder]

relo was weird but worked out ig

but now ck has no bb

and we see how easily he dies

[vital pollen]

ck just need to not jump the tankiest hero

[torn girder]

lmfao

[vital pollen]

idk what he was thinking

"oh theres an axe"

[torn girder]

perhaps thinks giving axe free reign in fight is not good

[vital pollen]

sure but xinq can do that

just vessel him

[torn girder]

refresher call

scary

xinq

[vital pollen]

well

spirit smoke breaks

insta cliff ward+deward

[torn girder]

gg

[vital pollen]

yep

deserved loss

[torn girder]

ti winner buff

[vital pollen]

2 bad drafts

with the double naga

[torn girder]

lmfao

torontotokyo

[vital pollen]

not a fan

[torn girder]

i dont think hes bm'ing lgd

[vital pollen]

kinda hope

they lose now

[buoyant sage]

lmao TT

[torn girder]

think hes just mad about people questioning his play

[vital pollen]

i mean

thats cause hes by far the worst plaer on spirit

[torn girder]

at least i hope so

[buoyant sage]

gg

[torn girder]

disrespecting lgd is clown behavior

[errant tusk]

a little bit of all chat is fine

[vital pollen]

i mean

[errant tusk]

everyone was dick riding lgd giving them no chance

[vital pollen]

feels odd

[errant tusk]

let the man enjoy it lmao

they called their ti fluke

[vital pollen]

to do it in the game tho

[errant tusk]

all year long

and its ofc not

[vital pollen]

not like LGD called them trash or anything

[torn girder]

fluke ti is also clown comment lmao

[vital pollen]

spirit one of the best dota teams all season

[torn girder]

i still dont think it was aimed towards lgd

[vital pollen]

but yeah

deserved win

LGD hard choking once again in finals

[buoyant sage]

they absolutely destroyed everyone at ti ppl are just utterly dumb as usual

[vital pollen]

guess they wanted to get it out of the way this year

[torn girder]

rofl

[vital pollen]

so they can win TI

[errant tusk]

also dont think it was adressed towards lgd

[vital pollen]

nah ofc not

[buoyant sage]

ye its fine imho

[errant tusk]

ye ofc

[buoyant sage]

blew some steam

[vital pollen]

psure theres huge respect between those two teams

[torn girder]

they played really well that game though they got outdrafted and still won

yea

[errant tusk]

he played dota

for 10h straight

[torn girder]

yatoro only respects chinese pos 1's lol

he has much reverence for ame

[vital pollen]

yeah its weird cause like... id like to say that LGD looked unbeatable, although they definitely showed some cracks vs OG. but with LGD it always feels like the super dominant team that destroys the entire groupstage and playoffs, just isnt the same team that shows up to the grand finals

[torn girder]

they look unbeatable until they get beat

[vital pollen]

but when you do this same shit like

5 tournaments

its not just a "well they just had a few off games"

its just a pattern

that they need to break

[torn girder]

show up to grand finals for a spot of trolling

[vital pollen]

picking heroes they havent played all tourney

[torn girder]

ROFL

"Why did they pick naga"

"i dunno"

[errant tusk]

no game 5

[vital pollen]

good drafts from spirit though, making NTS play on heroes he cant do as well on

[torn girder]

surprised at that win i had no faith in rubick

[vital pollen]

rubick didnt do shit this game

[torn girder]

pretty good outplays in the fights

yea i mean

[vital pollen]

besides like

1 fight

in early

[torn girder]

i still have no faith in rubick

[vital pollen]

ame just trolled all game

[errant tusk]

i love kyle

you just cant make this stuff up

[vital pollen]

blinks on axe only for him to bkb

goes in after they get almost full wiped

then chaos bolts into lotus

[errant tusk]

when its late enough its just unplayable

[vital pollen]

to stun himself for 4sec

[errant tusk]

to play ck vs wisp

i mean vs axe*

[vital pollen]

ye

but ya know

he gets the blink

[errant tusk]

they just threw too much by fighting under vision

[vital pollen]

jumps backline 2-3times

[errant tusk]

on bot lane

[vital pollen]

they win each of those fights

[errant tusk]

thats pivital moment

[vital pollen]

yeah

[errant tusk]

tbh

[vital pollen]

which is hilarious cause

thats how they lost game2

😄

same exact ward

[errant tusk]

maybe if faith bian gets bkb off

but its like

[vital pollen]

cost the mthe teamfight and ward there too

[errant tusk]

impossible

they shouldnt be there on vision

[vital pollen]

all tourney LGD has done these smokes

with one support popping highground ward/sentry

when smoke pops

[distant yoke]

might be good for TI

[vital pollen]

but now they didnt, cause y was tethered to teh carry

so he couldnt do it

and xinq was just rolling in and didnt do it either

[vital pollen]

yeah

gonna have ~4 solid teams going into TI, 5 if OG gets their shit together

but OG without misha looked better than with 😄

[errant tusk]

ye og with ceb is a better team

at least on lan

[vital pollen]

ye

idk

TI is gonna be hype

but also a bit of a letdown

cause DPC was just fucked

with the amount of visa issues this major

chinese teams not being able to participate in previous one

[errant tusk]

eg/tundra qualified directly

both wasted slots

[vital pollen]

ye

[errant tusk]

and they wont change anything evne tho they're useless teams

[vital pollen]

i mean its just

[errant tusk]

because its low iq play to change

coz you lose points

and lose spot

[vital pollen]

participation trophy

be NA team

get auto invite to TI

cool

kinda hilarious how NA cant get a decent team going atm

and SA has two

but yeah, now you have a DPC that ends with only having had 2 majors, and one of them china simply couldnt attend. good shit

[tender fox]

woke up see lgd ez final choke again

[versed matrix]

choker8

[tender fox]

havenet they had like roughly 10 matchups with spirit and only lose ti and major final

[buoyant sage]

?

their performance over the year is insane

and they played a very good dota, serie was a blast

and you dare dropping "choker"

[tender fox]

i mean they are obviously probably the best team in the world and are dominating

but they keep coming up short in finals that matter

kinda definition of choking

been the same with all the iteration of lgd lineups

and this was also their first real tourney outside of china dpc other than oil masters 1 week before

[buoyant sage]

Lebron James went in the NBA finals 8 times in a row, "only" won 3 among those 8, doesnt mean hes a choker

competitive scene in any kind of sports/game is insanely, anybody would have lost against Spirit

considering how they played last night

so I find it very unfair to call them chokers

[tender fox]

i dont think its the same he was pretty much a underdog in most of those vs spurs and warriors in their respective eras, LGD it feels pretty mental since they just steamroll everything until its final time and it feels like they crumble/choke

https://tenor.com/view/but-thats-just-my-opinion-just-what-i-think-my-thoughts-thats-my-two-cents-thats-how-i-see-it-gif-14185830

but a lot of that seem to be on xiao8 drafting poorly even though he is the one with mega experience

[vital pollen]

This was definitely a choke. After the upper finals where they were super dominant, they just made countless uncharacteristic mistakes. Bad vision game, weird and previously unplayed drafts etc. Felt like they felt a need to change things up and try new shit, instead of just doing what worked already. Went fine in game 1 but then they already started playing heroes they haven't played all tournament

It's not like spirit "figured them out" so they were forced to one-up their previous drafts and gameplay. They just decided to do that.

[tender fox]

felt super weird to go naga g3 when it literally lost them game 2

ame had been the best carry by far the whole tourney and then go give him afk farm hero that dont do much with the farm but keeping pressure on lanes

[vital pollen]

Yeah, while also taking away nts/faith farm who have been carrying individual games as well when ame wasn't doing well

[versed matrix]

vods to the finals are literally linked under the word choke in the dictionary

[vital pollen]

Giving y a wisp that locks him to his cores movement so he can't ward/deward as much, in the same game where xingq earth spirit is their only initiation so neither of them can provide vision in team fights

That's a game where they would play a vision hero on nts or faith

Like a nightstalker or Zeus

[errant tusk]

idk who is responsible for drats if xiao8 drafts what he wants and players have no saying

but whoever recommended naga 2nd time

should get fired

or called out in public

[vital pollen]

Idk, just outplayed/outdrafted themselves, while spirit did exactly what they did in upper finals. Didn't seem like they changed things up, they just played great dota

[tender fox]

im just guessing there are a lot of xiaobet memes out

[vital pollen]

Miposhka playing out of his mind

[errant tusk]

ye game 2

miposhka deserved to win it

he played so good in a game he had no business doing good in

[versed matrix]

was it against aster with the rubick steals against wyvern?

[tender fox]

he had pretty easy time positioning himself though tbh, only thing that could catch him out of pos would be like a tusk blink kick

[versed matrix]

tusk blade mail in g2 was hard inting

[vital pollen]

Yeah

But that was on the wyvern

Siamese cat played terrible that game

Curse into 3sec afk

[errant tusk]

playing bane into illusion hero is impossible

it's horrendous

[vital pollen]

Ye

[errant tusk]

you cant do anything

[vital pollen]

But ame just can't solo carry. That's why they played duo or tri core every single game this tournament. But not in the finals, that's where they put all their eggs in one basket with Io+CK combo and 2x naga

Really really weird

Idk if they're just not confident in their previous drafts and Playstyle anymore once they go into the grand finals

But don't wanna take anything away from spirit

They came prepared and were able to win against an lgd that didn't play like they did before. That's still super hard and any other team would've lost game 2 as well

Lgd just time traveled back into 2018 where naga was a good carry and dp was played mid

[tender fox]

Apparently liquidpedia counted wrong and fnatic > outsiders

[tender fox]

Also ana and topson to t1

[buoyant sage]

https://vxtwitter.com/ESLDota2/status/1559742827352846336

[distant yoke]

so many tournaments recently

[tender fox]

i just want alliance to go with 0 wins and get memed on

[buoyant sage]

[distant yoke]

why do you care about that russian team

[tender fox]

i dont really, but they obviously used backdoor connection to get in to a rather high profile tourney when they are bad so would fun to see them just bombing out

[distant yoke]

its a "big name"

Kelly is from south-east asia, prob has some connections

[tender fox]

yes its obv kelly connections and the "many fans" things is not valid with their current lineup but its a non dpc tourney so they can do w/e they want

[wide geode]

The T1 memes weren’t dreams.

What a timeline to live in.

[distant yoke]

topson spent a lot of time in SEA right

a few months ago

[tender fox]

doesnt he kinda live there with his gf and kid

[distant yoke]

didnt know

he had a kid

manson

[tender fox]

he do indeed with his malaysian wife/gf but not sure if he actually lives there or just visit with the family

[wide geode]

They lived there for a while but o think they moved recently? But I dunno.

[vital pollen]

http://puu.sh/JhFqS/f796349a30.jpg

the fuck

https://www.dota2.com/patches/7.32

doom aghanims

vacuum into 5man doom?

http://puu.sh/JhFEk/40c0e99bff.jpg

thank you

[stiff pebble]

To 3.15?

[vital pollen]

no

reduced by 3

to 0.25

[stiff pebble]

Óff

[vital pollen]

so thats 180hp regen per minute less

[stiff pebble]

Lol

Time to buy six mangoes

[vital pollen]

http://puu.sh/JhFJt/d9cd8a5a33.jpg

this is pretty nasty actually

i like how its like 6am in malaysia

pros gonna wake up

ready to play day2 of the tourney

new patch

LMAO

[stiff pebble]

[stiff pebble]

This vlads buff is so fucking good

[vital pollen]

ench is just gonna destroy beastmaster/lycan/chen

with shard

[tender fox]

talon losing to alliance

[distant yoke]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/ww8kle/yikes/

wtf is this

[tender fox]

literally only centaur cart clips on reddit lel

[stiff pebble]

Choochoo

[torn girder]

They definitely went with a meme approach on some of the new stuff they made lmfao

[vital pollen]

tiebreaker and its a 1v1 sf mid matchup? the fuck?

nice

sumail buys bottle cause he thinks there are water runes

now he'll lose the 1v1 and his team gets eliminated for it

grubby did a dota stream with dendi last night btw

[tender fox]

isnt it ub/lb

[vital pollen]

looks like he decided to do A-Z challenge

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1571395081?t=6h34m51s

new to dota, casually stacking ancients with boar 6minutes into the game

[tender fox]

at least alliance bombed out nice

also fnatic without tsm > tsm

[tender fox]

actually so weird they run 2x ub semis at the same time

[distant yoke]

meme tournament

[stiff pebble]

Yeah but I like memes.

[torn girder]

Damn aster got slammed 3-0

[tender fox]

against alliance im guessing

[torn girder]

Alliance

[distant yoke]

chinese teams in the grand final

[vital pollen]

yeah

dominate all tournament

be complete shit in finals

the chinese way

[errant tusk]

meme tournament

cant treat it seriously when big patch hit like 10h before it started

[vital pollen]

https://clips.twitch.tv/AuspiciousObliqueTrollHeyGirl-W6tzsBYYanQQGd6R

[errant tusk]

@vital pollen

[vital pollen]

[errant tusk]

[vital pollen]

what a shit patch tho

like the 7.32b

its bascialyl just

slight dmg/cd/scaling changes

based on heroes winrates or smth?

idk

undying is fucking cancer atm

[errant tusk]

i mean idk

i dont play the game

i just got tagged by 10 of my friends with morphling buff

and nerfs to some dogshit offlaners

coz i just stopped playing coz meta is just not enjoyable

pick str offlaner or some other lane ruiner

or worst case scenario enigma

oh i guess i just lose the lane and get shit on

very enjoyable

oh you picked a melee position 1 into some guy that last picked viper offlane

hehe

gl m8

just tell me already you'd sell your family and kidneys and dignity for 20 points you maggot

https://youtu.be/v_oTfnRIjg4?t=27

[stiff pebble]

Makes sense

[stiff pebble]

GET YOUR WALLETS OUT YOU BROKE MOTHERFUCKERS

[vital pollen]

no

they cna get my money

when they make good events again

and patches that actually matter

not some garbage "xxx now costs 10 less mana" dogshit

[stiff pebble]

[buoyant sage]

same actually

think Ive done enough on that part and they still dont give a single fuck about the game

or its scene

[stiff pebble]

I just want to payouts to be more fucking spread out man.

[distant yoke]

I doubt they would cut down on TI prize money

like a big fucking ad for Valve, not even dota

[stiff pebble]

Not down, just out, away from the grand prize.

[distant yoke]

ye true

[stiff pebble]

I did not realize that broodmother was so deep in the dumps,

[tender fox]

no longer invisible (invincible) in net

[buoyant sage]

exactly

when invisibility is invincibility dont exist anymore

[errant tusk]

invisibility doesnt matter

she was extremely cancer not that long ago

7.30 maybe

walking through cliffs is op enough

[tender fox]

i mean i just think invisiblity made it kinda unstopable in lower mmr

which probably boosted winrate

[errant tusk]

that is a smurf hero alwaysd

people boost with it

its like tinker

when its strong there will be plethora of people spamming it

[stiff pebble]

Yeah boosting, smurfing and a very strong counterpicking competitive

I'm just waiting for bounty hunter to put that plus one armor to work

[errant tusk]

bounty hunter is rly good now i think

[stiff pebble]

Ye

I think he's been good for a long while just kind of underplayed maybe

[errant tusk]

well so was marci

wasnt rly picked often in pubs

but then gets introduced to CM

insta 1st pick

and needed full rework on every skill

[tender fox]

tthey are doing it for this

literally every patch

[stiff pebble]

Ofc

[vital pollen]

http://puu.sh/JjerL/9d9c62adeb.jpg

its happening

https://www.dota2.com/battlepass2022

https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/apps/dota2/videos/dota_react/international2022/fv_loadout.webm

well thats horrifying

razor arcana

cm fursona

[errant tusk]

495 level for arcana

holy

they milking

[distant yoke]

they adjusted the pricing for regions

so now they gotta raise the bar

[errant tusk]

ok at least that

[tender fox]

so proxy to turkey for half price

[vital pollen]

Guessing this ti will not have a higher prize pool than the last one

[stiff pebble]

It's interesting seeing people bent over backwards pissed off that there isn't more incentive to spend thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars on digital goods that they don't actually care about.

The very notion that there's a physical incentive to spend thousands of dollars on a digital product just for the knick knack to put on a fucking shelf is gross.

[tender fox]

isnt it an uproar cus they chose the worst studio to host TI and that they have some scammy betting sponsor even though they already take 75% of crowd fund

[stiff pebble]

I wonder if it's in the contract whether they can or cannot say extra sponsors and it changed this year.

It's also not unlike this sponsor is extremely popular in the region either way.

I do wonder if we're going to see it on the other regions.

Truly they could have gotten better sponsors though..........