Dota

[vital pollen]

That lotus to reflect Omni

[versed matrix]

im watching the aster game

too many games at the same time

[vital pollen]

Yeah

Mars is such a fucking stupid hero

Spear hitting 2 targets

[tender fox]

eg big throw inc

nvm void decided to solo chrono ursa to kill an egg

[versed matrix]

big EG energy

[distant yoke]

Is EG crashing out of the grp stages?

Haven’t been watching much

[versed matrix]

I think yellow is lower bracket

[tender fox]

think they are safe

cus both navi and beastcost lost

vs spirit and tundra

but i guess it can be 3-way tie if they win teir game 2

or it can be 3 way tie in bottom if tundra 2-0

also why did xtreme gaming withdraw from major when it could secure ti

[errant tusk]

i guess had to coz didnt allow them to have standins?

no way they'd just withdraw

or some 2head move

[tender fox]

i mean fnatic got 3 standins so

great players, seeing how china dominate this major so far they could prolly secure a high placement and ti

[errant tusk]

ye looks like decent team

[tender fox]

oh beastcoast and navi looks like they are winning

3way tie inc with eg

[errant tusk]

bulba nvm order the tickets

[severe sail]

So in theory if EG wins this (splits the series) they are actually in tie breakers for UB because Aster looks to be beating BOOM

So then EG gets to be runover by LGD in the first round of the upper bracket

[tender fox]

ye

looks grim though

spirit has turned around the game vs navi though so they might be safe from going out

think navi was like 26-10 in kills and just got rosh

now 28-19 just got wiped, spirit gets ros and up 10k gold

[severe sail]

EG has no damage

https://tenor.com/view/give-up-quit-throw-the-towel-surrender-gif-11684717

[buoyant sage]

saberlight coming straight from Hell ig

[tender fox]

wanted eg to go out but navi were even worse

[severe sail]

Looks like it won't matter, Aster throwing like EG

[tender fox]

well no shot eg turns this around

[versed matrix]

NA

[tender fox]

liquid also in shambles after great day 1

[severe sail]

Yopaj has impressed the hell out of me in every game I've watched him in

[versed matrix]

abad

[severe sail]

I think as I read the tiebreakers EG will be the 5 seed out of that group

[distant yoke]

they have rng and thunder awaken tho

to play

should at least win 1 of those games

[versed matrix]

liquid game just starting, good timing

[severe sail]

Thunder have looked better than their record

Thunder also might luck out, they get LGD last day when they might be clowning around

[versed matrix]

pos 1 NS

spicy

[versed matrix]

OG vs outsiders, pog

[tender fox]

lgd gonna help rng

and do some xiaobet

[versed matrix]

this has been a good game

outsiders probably winning this though

[vital pollen]

Why do people struggle to understand the value of the aa

Lgd always plays vision heroes when they can

Bat+aa vision was really big in some of the fights

Y attending 26/29 kills

Seems real fucking useful to me

Magic minus armor with bat+puck

Faith bian with the great lasso on dp, wasting her entire bkb

[versed matrix]

maybe I can watch some of the games I missed tomorrow during work

zai ravage on bkbs after his pos1 and 2 are dead

smurfing

[vital pollen]

Lgd getting owned atm

[versed matrix]

spectre is a creep

does ana speak chinese, I assume so

[tender fox]

Making sure china get ub*

[vital pollen]

If lgd wins this somehow

Then idk

[errant tusk]

they are winning it

[vital pollen]

Lmao

[versed matrix]

spectre > np

oh no no

[vital pollen]

Faith bian hard carrying this game

Jesus

[errant tusk]

they're like og in ti8

just lose lanes

lose rax

ez got it

[versed matrix]

gg ez

[vital pollen]

Sick game

RNG played really well but they just didn't have an answer for that razor

Insane itemization

[errant tusk]

i mean razor has 1 viabl ebuild

which is bkb refresher

sometimes you get ac or shivas in between

some people still go falcon

but the gist is bkb/refresher

[vital pollen]

Yeah

But we the blink right after as well

Was always one step ahead

Tbf ana threw that game

Teleporting into the razor and just melting

But the RNG draft was also just super single target damage and basically zero team fight beyond the puck ult

Wr useless against double bkb razor+pango

No scythe on RNG, lotus vs link came too late, honestly feel like np should've gotten a hex or even abyssal. Just poor itemization after an incredible early game, and they didn't manage to close out the game on the timer they were on.

Most teams would've gged out but lgd knew they had a slim chance

All according to the directors plan

[vital pollen]

rewatching that turnaround fight from LGD yday and i think at this point faith bian is just the best player in dota, period. surprise teamfight breaks out after they break each others smokes, and what does the man do? he pops bkb+eye and then runs for the highground ward to kill it, instead of chasing any of the heroes down

and suddenly rng is just blind in that fight

[tender fox]

rng-liquid it is

[errant tusk]

yea faith bian/xinq/nothing to say are by far best players at their roles

as i said i just wonder how they are gonna choke ti again

[vital pollen]

Nts feels like he loses every mid

But he still has insane impact

[errant tusk]

they all lose all lanes

[vital pollen]

Dies three times on storm

Still out farms midas voker

Was 2k net worth behind 7 minutes ago, now he's ahead

11-4 score line for thunder but lgd 4k networth ahead

Wonder at what point teams start realizing that lgd likes playing these vision heroes. This game they got storm/Phoenix/razor all having skills that grant vision

Storm with arcane+Regen rune

[errant tusk]

rng literally lost

to t5 items rng

no kap

[vital pollen]

Ye

Unfortunate

[errant tusk]

no game should last 60 minutes tbh

so kinda on you that you didnt close it out before

[vital pollen]

Ye

[errant tusk]

especially they were ahead

and did some rly big misplays

like misclicking meta as tb

[vital pollen]

Legit had one game earlier this week

Where they win it after 60:30

[errant tusk]

as soon as you hit 60 minute mark any team comp can win

games get crazy

[vital pollen]

Felt like they didn't wanna deal with t5 shit

Fucking mirror shield and other garbage

[errant tusk]

ye mirror shield/ex machhina

can win you a game

getting mirror shield in right game

book of shadows can win you game too

if you play vs faceless vod

void*

[vital pollen]

Ye one team had blood seeker

[errant tusk]

coz you can save people

seer stone too

[vital pollen]

Mirror on your carry vs blood seeker

Gg

[errant tusk]

ex machina/mirror

are crazy

[vital pollen]

Hero suddenly useless

[errant tusk]

t5 items rly give a vibe

'just finish the game already'

[vital pollen]

more like

"whatever happened in last 60 minutes, we start fresh"

behidn in networth? lemme just dig up 1k networth every 40sec

fallen sky to just siege base

arcanast armor for teamfight garbage

idk

or you get trash like book of the dead/giants ring. which are nice but nearly as impactful

[distant yoke]

might be a hot take

but if you havent won over 60 mins

you kinda deserve the reset

[vital pollen]

ye

[vital pollen]

xingqute

doing crazy shit

[errant tusk]

ye he's the only player that makes es work

ceb makes it a bit but idk

not conviced by his es

xinq is multiple times better

[vital pollen]

like

i dont know if fissure gives vision or

but he ran straight for the treeline

after the dazzle kill

as if he knew

that he hit a second hero

[errant tusk]

maybe it does

idk tbh

[vital pollen]

maybe with shard?

idk

[errant tusk]

maybe because of shard

ye

i thought the same

[vital pollen]

or you get some feedback from shard basically

[errant tusk]

he got lucky by hitting that

obv

[vital pollen]

ye

[errant tusk]

but even without that kill

they're smurfing on them

[vital pollen]

but lgd doing what they always do

they win the information game

void with shard, zeus, ench creeps

[errant tusk]

boom had some nice kills

[vital pollen]

they just know more about the state of the game at any point

[errant tusk]

killed zeus/dp

actually good kills

[vital pollen]

yeah

[errant tusk]

just not playing map as good as lgd tho

[vital pollen]

but it honestly feels like its calculated

[errant tusk]

tbh dire is busted

dir jungle is so op

[vital pollen]

ye

[errant tusk]

i think its most unfair we've ever been

when it comes to radian vs dire

[vital pollen]

old rosh between mid and bottom lane

[errant tusk]

i think its even worse than the rosh fiasco

think its actually worse in stats

[vital pollen]

rosh is better for radiant, tbf

[errant tusk]

sure people were much worse back then

[vital pollen]

but yeah

dire jungle is just

[errant tusk]

ye now its better for radiant

but old rosh was

[vital pollen]

so much better

[errant tusk]

you tp to t1 mid as dire

and you're at rosh

which was ofc busted

[vital pollen]

ye

[errant tusk]

but even back then

dire didnt have close to 60% winrate

and now its rly close to 60%

[vital pollen]

i like the way ame uses chrono

[errant tusk]

its huge

[vital pollen]

in these teamfights

have seen it a few times now, but he often waits until his teammate is at like 20-30% health

basically baiting the enemy into thinking that stepping a bit closer they get a kill

lmao

that bash

or does he have aghs

nah

cheeky fucker

mars stunned the monkey

hahahahahaha

you love to see it

monkey sitting on tree, mid-cast of ult, and then the arena breaks the tree, he sits in 4sec stun, and then ame follows it with chrono

[errant tusk]

ye

mars + monkey king is hard to play

coz mars arena cuts every tree in radius of 5000

[vital pollen]

ye

[versed matrix]

cant beat LGD

maybe they can win TI this year

[vital pollen]

only game they lost they had teh shittiest draft imaginable

and soniqs played it really well too

[versed matrix]

when is that btw it used to be in august idk wtf valve is doing with tournaments nowadays

[tender fox]

october

[vital pollen]

its nice watching LGD supremacy cause its just really good dota. but its also boring cause no team seems to be able to play at that same level atm

[errant tusk]

yes and no

their style is consistent coz they teamfight better than any other team

so if they get behind its cool seeing it

how they crawl back

but if they just win lanes then yea its just boring

coz once they get 4k ahead in 12 minute game its just over

they wont lose it

[versed matrix]

that spectre game comeback was one good game to watch

[errant tusk]

yea but rng lost many games they shouldnt have lost

that one vs liquid too

they kinda threw

[vital pollen]

the great thing about the spec game was how they actually understood the specs role in that game, and sent him to the riskiest lane to farm

giving farm prio to their razor and pango

[errant tusk]

thats why secret is gonna do good now

because you play 1 from offlane nowadays

[distant yoke]

i had the same problem with wings when they just facerolled a TI, sure its great dota and well executed. But as a viewing experience its not very fun

[vital pollen]

and they just took the bait, kept rotating 3-4 heroes to kill an underfarmed spec

[errant tusk]

you play some absolute cancer shit on offlane nowdays

[vital pollen]

and then the pango+razor just rolled over them

yeah

its like

[errant tusk]

razor/viper

[vital pollen]

razor viper dp

[errant tusk]

are like 2 most standard picks

[vital pollen]

mars

[errant tusk]

disgusting

[vital pollen]

ye

[errant tusk]

you cant pick anything from carry hero pool

that can fight it in laning stage

unless you fight fire with fire

[vital pollen]

ye

[errant tusk]

and pick viper into razor

[vital pollen]

and even then its just

free rotations from your 4 into mid

and you have a carry farming

but feels like a lot of teams are still stuck on the playmaking pos3s

instead of the bruiser/brawler types

[errant tusk]

i yesterday played into marci + razor

nothing beats that

[vital pollen]

ye

its crazy dumb

with like ES/shaker/tiny/marci pos4s

all the relocation shit

[errant tusk]

marci is getting nerfed

100%

rebound cant just give you 50% movement speed boost on lvl 1

[vital pollen]

LGD doing a lil 322

[errant tusk]

30% flat ms for your teammate level 1

[vital pollen]

yep

[errant tusk]

45**

wtf is that

[vital pollen]

basically boots of travel

[errant tusk]

im just amazed

[vital pollen]

marci is just a better earthspirit

[errant tusk]

also enigma is so stupid too

having mechanic that denies every range creep for free

and keeps lane equilibrium under your tower

when entire laning stage is about it

i actually cringe

[vital pollen]

i mean

whats the ench doing tho like

shes so useless in these fights

might as well stand in a spot to break the smoke

instead they give lgd the perfect initiation?

[errant tusk]

[buoyant sage]

boom esport be like, yay winner bracket

then first opponent is PSG LGD

[errant tusk]

whereas its unlucky you at least get the into the better dpc point pool without having to win 1st game in LB

right?

im not sure actually

actually tihnk you need to win a game in LB anyway

to be top8, coz top8 gives better points

[buoyant sage]

yeh it's a tough one

now OG vs Entity

lesgo

[versed matrix]

og draft too weird

[buoyant sage]

bit too hard when you only focus bb for 3 fights in a row

[tender fox]

jenkins roasting sebe

lol the bs escape just running towards enemy base 1000 ms

[buoyant sage]

[errant tusk]

saberlight gets some crazy dooms off

actually

[buoyant sage]

yeh very good

really like that guy

[tender fox]

his farm is really down the drain though

pos1 doom midas lowest of all cores

[errant tusk]

lost lane rly hard

[buoyant sage]

well og has a nasty comp to play against with spirit+blood rite+coil

[errant tusk]

wasnt he into viper

[buoyant sage]

without mentioning viper break

[errant tusk]

if they had aba vs viper it would be ok

idk why they didnt adjust or try for it

[buoyant sage]

even with that I dont think it would have been possible

abbadon is getting hard cucked here with silence+break

[errant tusk]

now yea

but he was like 2,8k net 12 minutes in on doom

because he couldnt lane vs viper whatsoever

and he could've laned if he had aba with him on lane

because he dispels poison stacks

[buoyant sage]

could have yeh

[tender fox]

sneyking and 33 joined gorc and pld

[errant tusk]

[versed matrix]

PSG next for OG

tough

[errant tusk]

ramzes tb

[errant tusk]

lmao dm

what a gigachad

[vital pollen]

holy shit

what a fucking

play

[errant tusk]

ye

i wonder if pl can do it vs darkseer

[vital pollen]

if they win the game

because of this

thatd be insane

[errant tusk]

gpk always finds real pl

actually crazy

but they're gonna lose still i think

pl too big

[vital pollen]

ye

idk

i feel like

pos1 prophet is just bad

[errant tusk]

they killed pl

somehow

lmao

[vital pollen]

hero needs to win by minute 25

[errant tusk]

gpk is so fking good

he played kinda bad last game i think

went bad item build

not building halberd or ac was kinda troll imo

into ursa

[vital pollen]

hmye

[errant tusk]

but this bat is so good

[vital pollen]

marci abandoned

no one getting close for repose

[errant tusk]

coz he whiffed lasso

used on linkens

not sure if someone cluitch pressed it on him

or just every core might have linkens at this point

pl is such a bad hero

even in game like that with game he had you dontr just win

dark seer is usually good but this game its meh because dazzle counters illusions hardcore

[vital pollen]

dude

did he just miss

[errant tusk]

wtf is this game

[vital pollen]

the sprout

on the aegis

[errant tusk]

ye

[vital pollen]

the fucking fuck

actual nerves

getting to them

[errant tusk]

tbh he probably is fine anyway

they have like 2-3 forces

that leash gets fucked by force right?

coz its bugged and it pierces bkb

because fuck knows why

(bugged?)

idk

[vital pollen]

dunno

[errant tusk]

spider legs counters it too

dont you love it

[vital pollen]

its a really weird one

[errant tusk]

when you depend on getting a neutral item to play the game

[vital pollen]

i dont undertstand why spider legs are still in the game

[errant tusk]

i swear you should know what neutral items you get

[vital pollen]

has been one of the most busted neutrals since forever

[errant tusk]

when you draft

[vital pollen]

need to know what opponent gets

and the fact that a hero like silencer just becomes useless

by minute 37

is fucking sad

[errant tusk]

no thats good

[vital pollen]

well fuck silencer

but still

[errant tusk]

its very ok tbh

becasue hero is strong early on

[vital pollen]

its not like hte hero has a good kit to close out games before that

but yeah idk

[errant tusk]

its still usually enough

[vital pollen]

spirit just gonna find mirror shield

and win game

[errant tusk]

to disrupt combo

its actually almost 60 again

[vital pollen]

cause bat is useless

all of a sudden

[errant tusk]

ye mirror shield would be absurd

[vital pollen]

mirror shield for pl

machina for razor

[errant tusk]

force boots are actually good too

probably breaks leash too

[vital pollen]

ye

outsiders will get some useless shit in this game

imo

deso would be kinda bad

cause kinda useless vs pl

[errant tusk]

its just damage

deso is kinda good on pango

isnt it?

big damage

[vital pollen]

yeah and pl has 70000 armor

[errant tusk]

q is dumb

[vital pollen]

dont think actual dmg works on swash

only procs

like diffu/mkb/javelin

or bash

[errant tusk]

lmao

[vital pollen]

kinda crazy

[errant tusk]

ye

[vital pollen]

what makes me sad

is that ive watched the other upper games so far and im like

"okya none of these teams are even in the same league as lgd"

like in one game earlier, just one of many moves

some dude TPs

shadow demon disrupts

and puck coils

within 1sec of each other

wasting coil

that'd never happen to LGD

at this point

they just know exactly what spells to use and what to hold

its like theres some 6th player doing the math in advance

[errant tusk]

when i watched secret vs lgd in ti it felt like that too

that they're too good

but then they lost finals

[vital pollen]

yeah

cause no magnus ban

every game

but yeah its crazy, its like they played teh fight in the future, figured out exactly what spells to use, how to split their team to maximize kills etc. and then they go back in time to play it in the current timeline

[vital pollen]

jesus

gpk is just shitting on torontotokyos puck

[errant tusk]

spirit is way better team

better decision making

[vital pollen]

ye

i mean even just the begin of this game

like

why isnt the dazzle skilling poison touch

and wasting some regen

instead he runs over teh map for 30seconds

not skilling anything?

then dies

tps

instantly skills poison touch

[vital pollen]

Watching last series from yday... The amount of times dj fissure blocked his own team into their deaths was actually insane

Lost them like 3 team fights

[tender fox]

how do matumba still have this beard

is someone paying millions for him to have it or whats the deal

[versed matrix]

hes fat

but no one can see with the beard

[tender fox]

g3 boom-liquid for ti spot

[versed matrix]

lolquid

[tender fox]

rip liquid have to go through qualys

[vital pollen]

they got cheesed hard

lmao

weird game

almost 60min

1 kill every 2mins

[tender fox]

kinda hope eg lose for no DPC

nvm they are safe anyway cus rng/outsiders will take out each other

or no fnatic can also pass them

or do they get less points dueto 3 standins?

[vital pollen]

no idea how it works with fnatic/tsm honestly

[tender fox]

think they actually get full points due to out of their controll visa probs

so if eg lose and rng+fnatic win eg need to qual

oh nono

eg storm insta

[errant tusk]

no they dont lose points

and some peopel were already mad

that they get to take 3 standins

[vital pollen]

yeah especially as it kept the lanes intact that people were used to

so its a lot easier than say rng who have to play with a new pos1

[errant tusk]

they even have luna

[tender fox]

i mean would also be kinda unfair to fuck their whole season over cus bad visa stuff

[errant tusk]

eg doesnt wanna win it

if you pick luna you are actively not trying to win

that hero is so bad

[vital pollen]

they had bulba drafting for like 5years at this point, at this point its a pretty well established fact that EG isnt trying to win

[tender fox]

feels like they have very little against storm though tbh even though it was 2nd pick

entity can just 5 man i guess

[vital pollen]

nah entity draft is pretty mediocre

they just picked some "broken" heroes in bristle/wyvern but nothing that works well around them

no lockdown whatsoever

might not matter cause bristle is a dumb hero

[tender fox]

last pick veno was weird

[vital pollen]

theyve done that before iirc

its just a suicide bomb

jump in, ult, vessel someone

and then team follows up

but EG can disengage easily

cause nightstalker vision reduction is pretty damn king

they might have a chance if they finish 1-2 forcestaffs

but entity supports need great positioning in this game

[tender fox]

no shot eg lose this game

luna and storm will never die

[versed matrix]

lost ark raids no time to watch dota

ill watch during work tomorrow 😦

[errant tusk]

abed didnt get shut down vs bat

and bat shits on everything on mid

like he shouldnt be able to smell creep in lane

after like level 3

[vital pollen]

yeah esp storm

who has to walk into creepwave a lot

but thats just player difference a lot of times

its like how maybe or nts dont have any business winning a lot of their midlanes

yet they still do

[errant tusk]

ye abed is one of the better players

i think egs problem is just game philosophy and how they wanna play the game

coz they still have good players

[vital pollen]

its mostly drafts, lets be real

bulba is drafting people the heroes they like and want

[errant tusk]

ehh its both

ye

exactly

[vital pollen]

and thats why the team likes bulba

[errant tusk]

so they wanna play game certain way

[vital pollen]

but its also the problem

[errant tusk]

which si bad

or not optimal

at least

[vital pollen]

theyre slow to adapt

because of that

you see a hero like chen

at absurd winrates

and you know you dont really have to worry about banning it vs EG

[tender fox]

ppl think entity will win but feel like they wont have any dmg after like min 30

ok eg got nothign to kill through wyvern heal

[versed matrix]

lgd would have turned that around

[vital pollen]

rtz alchemist in an elimination game

vanguard alchemist anyone?

[errant tusk]

this is very over

[vital pollen]

ye

idk how you think

alch is a good pick

into razor/beastmaster

cause you know that alch aint farming anywhere

not with clock+warlock supports that have no waveclear

[versed matrix]

Exit Guaranteed

going out to a team of new guys with a pos3 standin playing pos1

[vital pollen]

ye

getting rolled by the standin

nice confidence though

[tender fox]

Pray for rng and fnatic win

[vital pollen]

Aui on the cast

Always insane to listen someone as smart as him

And his understanding of the game

The maybe puck plays

😮

[vital pollen]

Ana not looking like a ti winner

Shitty itemization and dies with bkb ready everytime

[distant yoke]

seems tilted

[vital pollen]

He's just bad. His hero pool is stuck in 2018 at rtz levels, his positioning and itemization most games is absolutely horrible

Fucked up the first three kills that they really needed

0 impact prophet

Just like every other prophet game

At least the teams that kept picking a 10% win rate hero are now eliminated

[tender fox]

ok so if fnatic win vs beastcoast but outsiders knock em out its byebye eg

still hope

[tender fox]

did they remove other host than nattea? saw sajedene like once

[vital pollen]

saja was there for the last match yday

nattea does 2 series usually

[tender fox]

so when i sleep nice

she was cringe anyway

what is this interviewer saying, asking beastcoast about making rtz a happy man by winning

[errant tusk]

how is this cringe

after they made this tweet

[tender fox]

then i guess it make kinda sense but it was still cringe

cosplaying saving rtz also

[tender fox]

eg getting free ticket

[tender fox]

eg only team qualing from only regional points

ok enough eg hate now its lgd-og very pog game

[versed matrix]

how can anyone stop lgd

also lgd og and poe at the same time

[vital pollen]

pango swashbuckle

gonna do good dam

with amplify+acid spray in teamfights

how is og killing jugg

og zero stuns

[buoyant sage]

literally no reliable stun apart from storm vortex

1-0 psg

maybe troll root if doesnt get kitted until death

[tender fox]

lgd ran over

[buoyant sage]

juicy stolen ancient stacks

[tender fox]

lgd want lower bracket for more games

also do china just got flat out 1 less major than eu/na/sa/sea?

cus they were in lockdown or something

[buoyant sage]

huh I dont remember that

Idk

[tender fox]

no china teams in last major at least

Stockholm

[buoyant sage]

no Chinese team indeed

[vital pollen]

yes

chinese teams simply couldnt earn as many DPC points

as the other regions

[tender fox]

meanwhile eg get in without any major points

[vital pollen]

was good draft from OG though, just outlast LGD

[buoyant sage]

1-0 psg

[vital pollen]

they like prolonged/extended teamfights

yeah i called it for psg as well

cause of the 0 lockdown draft

but they just lost all 3 lanes again and their rotations just werent fruitful due to chen/io existing

didnt take much to win the fight under the tower top and mid

but the mek and io heals/chen ult meant they didnt have enough damage

they win that fight mid if theres no chen

wouldve liked ck more than jugg

but was banned iirc

[buoyant sage]

yeh they had so much healing

[versed matrix]

I bet 3k on psg

[tender fox]

3k what

[versed matrix]

channel points

[vital pollen]

at the end of the day

LGD just cant win against ceb

[versed matrix]

im a pessimist, I lost channel points but the team I cheer for won

[tender fox]

kinda weird how successful bs is just runs around autoattacking

[vital pollen]

just a very solid hero in general

cause rupture is a dumb spell

[versed matrix]

just tp 4head

[vital pollen]

really disruptive in any teamfight

[tender fox]

ok he is actually 46% this tourney but has just won every game ive watched

[vital pollen]

i mean its the same as razor

or prophet

some teams understand how to play those heroes

[versed matrix]

pos1 prophet is legit int

[vital pollen]

some teams dont, they just see it go nuts but dont understand it

nah

pos1 prophet works

but then you gotta draft for finishing the game

in 25mins

[versed matrix]

not for EG or ana

ana has had a bad tournament

[vital pollen]

cause ana is trash

[versed matrix]

but he is a standin

[vital pollen]

ana has had a bad carrier beyond getting carried to TI

dude barely plays

even back then

[tender fox]

storm 92.31% in 13 games and eg cant win major

[vital pollen]

but like

his teleports from prophet

and ults

were so garbage

then he sells his mkb

to buy it again

stuff like that

[versed matrix]

his game sense isnt there

probably due to lack of games like you said

he played bad in all the games ive seen

[vital pollen]

and rtz prophet is just farming too much

when the hero should make everybody afraid

no matter where they are

but somehow rtz plyas it like a 6slotted carry

even though the hero has no innate carry skill beyond being ranged and having high BAT

[versed matrix]

mid pudge

is this 2015?

[vital pollen]

had that a few times this tournament already

think it won every game

[errant tusk]

mid pudge is good now

pudge in general is solid hero

tbh

[vital pollen]

ye

[buoyant sage]

well this time I dont see how og can win this tbh

like np cant do shit against this game right

[versed matrix]

pudge and spectre run him over

slardar is a creep

[vital pollen]

ill be honest, i do like the part of this meta where theres a lot of action on the lanes

marci nerf when

casters gushing over the kotl and morph

when its all marci

[vital pollen]

how

these lgd teamfights

[versed matrix]

morph weak hero

buf pls

[vital pollen]

its just what i talked about a day or two ago

the way they bait people in a bit

[tender fox]

i know its alch but still impressive comeback for ame

[vital pollen]

by playing on the edge

yeah its just the LGD thing that they do a lot

they sacrifice a core

multiple times

but force 3-5 people to rotate for the kill while ame farms

and its not actually a worthwhile rotation when 4heroes from lgd are farming

[tender fox]

bzm rekt by dazzle

[versed matrix]

morph not having a good game

[vital pollen]

hes just committing to kills

and his team cant run into a razor/pango/alch

hahahahaha

he agi morphed

while chain CCed

[tender fox]

haha moprh

throwing so hard

[vital pollen]

man thats unfortunate to watch

pressure really getting to him

razor damage done btw

[errant tusk]

yuragi lost this game solo

[vital pollen]

ye

lgd splits the fights so fucking well

[errant tusk]

no it doesnt matter

he just choked

lmaqo

[vital pollen]

oh ofc

[versed matrix]

its donezo

[errant tusk]

lgd loses

[vital pollen]

he waveformed twice

into enemy team

[errant tusk]

if he doesnt choke

if its ana they win 🙂

[vital pollen]

ana

have you seen him play for rng?

if this was ana, the morph would sell his skadi and rebuy it

[errant tusk]

ok then with rtz

ez win

[versed matrix]

razor such a good hero

[errant tusk]

rtz wouldnt choke

[vital pollen]

yuragi trying to put all the agi into his name

xinq tiny is setting up so many of these fights tho

with toss into pango roll

no way to react

[errant tusk]

coz its op

tiny is just op

dumb hero

nerf his ult

stop giving him free 20 armour

literally only downside hero has is low armour

OH LET ME FIX IT

WITH ULT

XDDDDDDDDDD

2k hp hero level 10 with 15 armour

crazy

[vital pollen]

ye

[errant tusk]

can tank 6 spells

and still get 2nd combo off

[vital pollen]

razor doing more dam than 30k networth hero

with just bkb+refresher

[errant tusk]

its refresher/refresher shard

[vital pollen]

ye

dazzle aghs

pog

idk why people

undervalue this so much

cause its really good

giving your carry another bkb/satanic

[errant tusk]

you arent getting aghanim on pos 5

ever

this is like 1st game ever that i see pos 5 getting aghs

[vital pollen]

ye

but i think dazzle is kind of an exception

like i look at the ana TB game yday

so many times an extra satanic/bkb

is more value than some carries aghanims

[tender fox]

yuragi haha

jumps into ball

[vital pollen]

this razor damage

i wanna see how much damage that razor did

in that last fight

[versed matrix]

lgd so good

[vital pollen]

dunno

they looked shaky

their laning is usually pretty weak

[versed matrix]

they pull it out in the end

[vital pollen]

and yuragi threw this game really hard

[versed matrix]

still LB to go

[vital pollen]

ye

y and xingcute positioning is just soo good in these fights

http://puu.sh/JfJCV/5c60214674.jpg

46k herodmg with 3 items

meanwhile the alch at 32k

[versed matrix]

op

cant let them play razor

[vital pollen]

they just get too much done with the pango+razor combo

seen it like 3 or 4 times now

ame always had a shit game

but it doesnt matter, faiht bian just becomes the carry, and razor doesnt need much to do that

[versed matrix]

viper is useless

kotl does nothing

[vital pollen]

kotl did a lot early

same as marci

but they both fall off

[versed matrix]

yeah

[vital pollen]

and then its on the morph to do things

but its hard to play into that with 5sec bkb

[versed matrix]

morph cant fight razor

[vital pollen]

so much lockdown and sustain and theyre just all very tanky

like, who are you gonna try and kill, realistically

[versed matrix]

dazzle

but you cant get to him

[vital pollen]

he cant kill dazzle

if the dazzle has good positioning

which he did

[versed matrix]

and you cant kill anyone

because dazzle

[vital pollen]

so he gets to choose between a beefy alch

a tiny

a pango thats rolling so thats a no-go

the razor is the only target you can really "hit"

biggest difference imo in most of these games, especially watching some lower bracket ones, is just the vision and support positioning

OG had the lead early on and retained it through great warding, but they fell behind and kinda started slacking a bit

and LGD only picks fights they calculated they can win

[errant tusk]

i mean og literally should never lose

this is legendary throw

already

[vital pollen]

ye

tbf

they wouldve won that game

even with that morph performance

against any other team in the tournament

[errant tusk]

he wouldnt make mistakes vs any other team

he just chokled

or got giga tilted after 1st mistake

and couldnt play anymore

[vital pollen]

yeah for sure

which is funny cause he laughed

when he saw alch pick

still feel like

lgds laning is so weak

but i guess its mostly the draft. they dont typically pick the super strong lanes, they just have stronger teamfight and synergy

[vital pollen]

fucking razor

1v4

gets 2kills

at minute 10

[distant yoke]

Spirit doing gods work

[vital pollen]

would be funny if aster now wins with pudge again

http://puu.sh/JfKvS/6741271660.png

definitely one of the best niche picks

this tourney

i quite like the naga pick vs razor

and the pudge to counter puck as well

why did he break the coil on naga

only to song after

why not song inside the coil? 😄

Pudge going aghs and no bkb?

[versed matrix]

big plays by jug

[tender fox]

wk as a wolf

just chopped 80% on ld in 1 hit

[distant yoke]

vereh herd in the mid

[buoyant sage]

https://twitter.com/hoxieloxie/status/1558433001167536131

hoxie (@hoxieloxie)

gaben saying “welcome to the international” to an empty arena cause nobody managed to get tickets

Twitter · Aug 13, 2022, 12:39 PM

[vital pollen]

lgd game today

[versed matrix]

razor gaming

[versed matrix]

link bkb, ult and facetank the world

[tender fox]

always ammar crashing every series every game

running some word.exe in background

[tender fox]

true sight september 24

[vital pollen]

Wtb lgd true sight

[tender fox]

wow nts just got a new gf

[vital pollen]

longstanding EG tradition of getting eliminated early so they can be on the panel as analysts for the good games

CM first stage

the fuck

[versed matrix]

at least OG won

after this shocking game of football, there is some good dota to watch

[tender fox]

why are u shocked manu suck?

[distant yoke]

https://twitter.com/TrollFootball/status/1558497900078182405

Troll Football (@TrollFootball)

This video is timeless

https://t.co/uE0VcYqRRv

Likes

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Twitter · Aug 13, 2022, 4:57 PM

[versed matrix]

one would think that with a new coach and after pre season they would be a bit better than last season

[tender fox]

this marci mars lane

[vital pollen]

marci is just

super busted

nts is just

everywhere right now

ame 6th place networth, nts gets dagger, 3min later hes highest networth by 1k

[tender fox]

pa got pretty free reign after bkb

[vital pollen]

ye

even before. the arena isnt holding the PA

[versed matrix]

crazy game

[vital pollen]

nice punish from spirit

slight overplay from ame

instant punish

[tender fox]

Jeez ames farm

[vital pollen]

ye

the fuck

that phoenix buyback

was giga key

[versed matrix]

lgd heroes too fat

not enough damage

[vital pollen]

well played from spirit

but ame is too big

also once again

holding teh satanic

until the end of the bkb

is at 30% hp but knows hes not taking damage during bkb anyway, so he just holds satanic for the status resist and get a full hp reset when bkb runs out, instead of when its still 5sec left

[tender fox]

the timing of tspirit to start that fight was great though

but to far behind

[vital pollen]

yeah, spirit is playing great

but dont really think they have a solution

[versed matrix]

lgd 2 healing heroes and 3 tanks

[vital pollen]

chen just doesnt do anything in these games

[versed matrix]

really hard

[vital pollen]

phoenix pick was great

[versed matrix]

idk why I thought lgd had chen

cm useless tho

[vital pollen]

nah

giving good vision

and they always use him as smoke breaker

the mana regen was also hugely important for how they played the midgame

the timber and tiny were constantly at 10-20% mana but could take fights

[versed matrix]

razor bullied

[vital pollen]

xinq dies like

4times

still almost finished blink

15min blink

[tender fox]

feels like rest of lgd team dont complement chrono

[vital pollen]

nah its good

if he hiets 2man chrono

can always pre-channel solar guardian

so after chrono ends you get solar stun as well

was mostly the bad fight they took in front of dire triangle

f.void just doesnt come online until he gets 1 more item

its just the LGD plays they always do in midgame

they get picked off one by one

but they also have 3+ heroes farming

while one of their cores dies that the enemy has to commit 4+ heroes to

so they still have item progression

storm didnt have a big item coming up so they let him farm the riskiest lane

[versed matrix]

Frankerz

[vital pollen]

so even if he dies, they get farm on other heroes to complete an item

makes the enemy team think they just got a big core kill, now they can press their advantage, and suddenly the dawn has bkb and void has mjolner

[tender fox]

ppy would be proud

[vital pollen]

they lose 1 hero

[tender fox]

reverse effect

[vital pollen]

ame was just

so fucking fast on the bkb

[versed matrix]

ez for lgd

[vital pollen]

yeah

ame will just play shard next

oh he already got it

yeah hes just gonna be an annoying cunt again

theyll have faith bian frontlining

and then ame leaps in

casts dilation

leaps out

or stays if he gets a bash proc

[tender fox]

think storm was going aghs

so he just jumps in pull

go out

chrono