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vital pollen
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wtf is that talent lineup

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no cap no od

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no svg

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no ephy

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i think id watch more dota if the shoutcasting wasnt so unbelievably dogshit every time

tender fox
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CAP answered a thread recently. Think him and svg started something new? And i guess its easier for organisers to just get a studio i dunno

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But i dunno getting cringe csgo banks instead PES2_Shrug

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Has sajedene even done desk? Who is nattea

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Also moxi getting destroyed on reddit dead

vital pollen
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even cap and svg not being used to each other

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is gonna be a better cast

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then the other 5 duos they have

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let alone that cap can easily be the host of the event

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but i guess he doesnt have boobs so

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need female host these days

tender fox
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But yeah moxi being herald and casting biggest tourneys and no clue is kinda wild

vital pollen
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no synderen either

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xinq kinda rolling over nigma rn

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quite literally

distant yoke
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sunsfan without synderen despairge

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sunsfan is good fun when he casts with synderen, but he becomes shackled/stunned irl when casting with someone he cant flame openly

vital pollen
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ye

severe sail
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sunsfan has pretty good chemistry with several people, he and lacoste work well together

tender fox
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make sense lacoste is a full time meme

severe sail
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Yeah I don't love lacoste as a caster because of how memey he is, but lots of casters are very memey

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It seems to me that Valve's greater organization in the form of the DPC has created a deeper bench of casters which in turn makes fewer no-brainer invites

vital pollen
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idk, i just cant listen to half of the duos

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rarely calling out misplays, instead everything is hailed as great play by hte other team

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even when 2 supports are just completely out of position and miss all their spells

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"GREAT PLAY BY SUMAIL"

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when the nyx fails 2 stuns on him

vital pollen
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man

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mars with refresher

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is just too powerful

tender fox
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never seen a ta lose

vital pollen
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think you could just replace the TA with any carry in this game

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its the bounty vision and mars who make the game

errant tusk
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naa ta is op

vital pollen
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her farming speed is insane imo

errant tusk
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farms fast

vital pollen
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thats like

errant tusk
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ye

vital pollen
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the main difference

errant tusk
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also has jump

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  • this game once you get 25 noone breaks refraction
vital pollen
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ye

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she just accelerates too fast

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with just 1 item

errant tusk
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also noone rly wants to go halberd on rng

vital pollen
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has too much range anyway

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if you get into halberd castrange against TA

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odds are you die for it

tender fox
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she just gets so much early dmg and farms so fast

vital pollen
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but still

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this game was really just won by bh+mars combo

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TA has completely free reign because of that

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rng cant get a fight on their terms

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against bounty

tender fox
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perhaps just in general, secure roshan, gains map controll and got global with stupid tp

errant tusk
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you only go aghs if you're very ahead

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which they were

vital pollen
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i think her ability to basically secure rosh ~10minutes faster than any other hero of the same position makes the hero very powerful

errant tusk
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there is ursa too

vital pollen
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yeah but ursa needs sustained uptime on rosh

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so he forces himself in a bad spot where you can go on him pretty easily

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TA can just weave in and out

errant tusk
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od vs timber mid

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timber cant play this matchup

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you cant outtank od

tender fox
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at least pushs fave host is handling this masters

distant yoke
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wait

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who

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also game 3 of LGD vs OG coming up

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kind of a banger

buoyant sage
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yes

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watched 2 first games

tender fox
distant yoke
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i mean he is a better host

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than he is interviewer

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which doesnt say much

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but its something

tender fox
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i like how miposhka basically sit with his side towards the desk

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ergonomic

versed matrix
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wtf is avo doing

distant yoke
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what did he do

versed matrix
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throwing his arms around I feel like hes going to punch me through the screen

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bo3 finals, lame

buoyant sage
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what a balanar performance from collapse

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dude is scary af

tender fox
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missing some eg storm games

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would have won this tourney

distant yoke
vital pollen
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no double elim etc.

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its sad that the prize money is so big

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that no team declined to go

versed matrix
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oil money

vital pollen
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instead supporting the terrorism funding oilers in their money laundering schemes

versed matrix
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ive only watched a few games today

vital pollen
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casting quality is absolute bottom of the barrel

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gareth casting both semis

versed matrix
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I think somebody told avo he was too still

vital pollen
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the content of his cast isnt even that bad. i just cant listen to him cause the way he speaks with his random inflections and constant breaks mid-sentence just throw me off completely

versed matrix
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so now he swings his arms around wildly and its so weird

vital pollen
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nah avo has always been like that

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i remember his very first event when he was doing losers interviews

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he had the same mannerisms

versed matrix
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I hav ent paid attention to him too much

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just stood out to me now

vital pollen
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but yeah idk its like

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i honestly miss the old casting duos

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feels liek dota casting quality has stagnated/declined over the last 3-5years, to the point where people are clamoring for odpixel casts, and he used to barely be a top3 caster

versed matrix
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I dont know if I have a preference

vital pollen
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sunsfan/synd unironically the best duo atm

versed matrix
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for me its mostly I notice when it sucks or annoying

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but not the opposite

vital pollen
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yeah its like

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most color casters feel like they need to stand out somehow

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or mimic ODs hyperspeed casting that is just loud and people can barely follow

versed matrix
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sunsfan synderen is a good duo

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but sunsfan is borderline

errant tusk
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because people in esports dont have moral spine

versed matrix
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who is this finals caster with black

vital pollen
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bkop

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probably one of the best casters atm

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good finals tho

versed matrix
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ill never cheer for a chinese team

vital pollen
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sick fight

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why not?

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LGD has been playing so fucking well for like 5years now

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really sad that they never managed to grab an aegis

versed matrix
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idk. as a neutral, russians are always homies

tender fox
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Was graphics wrong and it was first game?

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Maybe spec bug from gorps strim cus was no dot on official Hmmm

vital pollen
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was game1, ye

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finals are only bo3 so

tender fox
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Ye thats why i was confused when they just walked of when i thought it was 1-0 alrdy KEKW

versed matrix
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same p1 from spirit

vital pollen
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its a strong lane

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the pango with his 11min diffu just kinda rolled through the midgame

versed matrix
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they did well on lane but lgd responded well

vital pollen
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and allowed the LD to come back

versed matrix
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I swear people always hype luna as the uber late game carry

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but I always see it lose

vital pollen
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problem is that luna alone doesnt do enough

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luna only works in a team

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compared to smth like sven or alch that can just run down entire teams by themselves

vital pollen
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holy fuck

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these LGD teamfights

versed matrix
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BO3 cringe

distant yoke
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xiao8 can bet more on games now

versed matrix
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well played by lgd

buoyant sage
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gg

distant yoke
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this is so weird to me

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is the translator crying?

vital pollen
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LGD on a different level this tournament for sure

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all the games they lost they just had wonky drafts and seemed to be clowning in a game2

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and then got their shit together for game3

distant yoke
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for the motherland SadgeCry

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victory for china SadgeCry

vital pollen
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the fact they all got denied for a B1 visa makes me wonder why the fuck theyre not using the P1 vise process for esports/athletes

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and if this is actually the cause

errant tusk
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this tournament is fiesta

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every team using standins

vital pollen
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THANKS AMERICA

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wonder if theyll finally stop hosting tourneys in the US

tender fox
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500k sounds like a low prizepool for a major

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especially when they stole so much money with missed ti's and shit KEKW

errant tusk
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valve being scummy

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1st time?

vital pollen
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Psure its not on Valve, but the TO

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In this case PGL

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They are the ones registering the event with the authorities, not Valve

vital pollen
distant yoke
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"Dota is just a weird game, you can do a million things and.. anything can work.. so"

buoyant sage
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lmao

buoyant sage
versed matrix
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iceiceice kicked

tender fox
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2 months to ti

errant tusk
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they dont care about their 5 dpc points they gathered

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smart choice to do big changes actually

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go big or go home

buoyant sage
tender fox
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ye but what team will topson play with

buoyant sage
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I dont even know if he has the level to get back into competition

tender fox
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doesnt he stream everyday playing pub? cant have dropped much

distant yoke
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ye he has been playing a lot

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mostly weird heroes in mid tho

tender fox
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well he went from pubstar directly to ti win before so

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nothing new PEPW

buoyant sage
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he has tested a lot of stuff

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but high mmr isnt representative of actual pro level

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so Im wondering

tender fox
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interesting if he form new team with rejects for open qual or join someone invite to closed or w/e

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lol all but moonmeander standing in at the major

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from tsm

errant tusk
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he should join alliance

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are there even open quals for ti

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idfk

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isnt there lots of wildcard slots

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12 dpc slots

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there is some last chance qualifier

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page doesnt exist

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but it looks like there is 2 more slots?

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last ti there was 18 teams now its 20 combined

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top 8 team from each region which didnt qualify to ti plays for 3 slots (1 direct invite for ti and 2 slots 'last chance qualifier')

tender fox
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should exist open quals to regional quals or thats how it has been before

errant tusk
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trying to understand this is pointless anyway

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they will mid circuit change rules

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like they did with tiebreakers some time ago

tender fox
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needed more viewership monies NODDERS

distant yoke
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idk wtf alliance is doing with their team

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loda is off the rails

errant tusk
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ye alliance is dysfunctional team

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af

versed matrix
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I thought arlington was in australia or NZ

errant tusk
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no arlington is somewhere in usa

vital pollen
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in texas

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to be precise

distant yoke
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when is the tourney starting?

tender fox
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first 4 at 17

distant yoke
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time for liquid to bomb out of another tournament

tender fox
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oh ana standin for rng

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mercenary

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can see him teaming up with topson for a run to ti

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he been palying 2 latest big tourneys

vital pollen
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nice

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guess the NA in NA major stands for no audio

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love watching xingq play ES

tender fox
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tsm > og EZ

vital pollen
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LGD

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excuse me?

versed matrix
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are there multiple games played at the same time?

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I was half watching the liquid QC game

vital pollen
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4, ye

tender fox
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ammar actually drafting or coach Hmmm

versed matrix
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group stage is a clown fiesta anyway

distant yoke
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liquid also playing pudge

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is pudge meta now?

vital pollen
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no

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not at all

buoyant sage
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during 3rd phase of dpc season he has been picked

vital pollen
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picked yes but not meta

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think its mostly a "easy enemy, lets show some weird picks to make peoples prep harder"

buoyant sage
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yeh its the kind of hero that can turn into a piñata real quick

vital pollen
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yeah definitely

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esp when its played as a core

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like both teams did

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hard to stay on top of the game

distant yoke
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kinda cool thing they did in their last fight

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they had matu run around, soaking up dmg

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as LD

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get eaten by pudge when he was low

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and his bear still works

vital pollen
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ye

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pudge shard is just so good

severe sail
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Can someone upgrade the obs's computer, every vac+wall turns into a slideshow

vital pollen
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hahaha

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xss is fucking crazy this game

severe sail
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He and boboka are carrying hard

vital pollen
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ye

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the chinese ES players are kinda nuts atm

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xingq ES is everywhere on the map

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how is that razor perma hasted?

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even without spiderlegs on use

versed matrix
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how did EG qualify for the major?

vital pollen
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oh its the talent

versed matrix
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I havent seen them win a single game in ages

vital pollen
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he actually took the passive

errant tusk
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21 ms is fun too

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tbh

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youj actually have perma haste

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but yea you fifgured it out

vital pollen
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did OG just

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lose their safelane

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to a solo bristle

severe sail
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EG looked good at the end of the NA quals, rolled through QC to win NA

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But they are super dependent on winning lanes

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Curious if other teams will try the Aster approach of going after Nightfall

vital pollen
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idk

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EG still seems to be defeating themselves

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doing the same drafts for 5years

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and its just not working

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fear was talking about how rtz likes bulba and likes his drafts

versed matrix
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QC is a dog tier team

tender fox
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Zai venge HYPERS

vital pollen
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yeah venge is just obnoxious to play into

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but the hero also doesnt do all that much if your game is going badly

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its just a good support when youre winning but a mediocre one when youre already losing

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also not that great on lane

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hahahaha

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matu

buoyant sage
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wow that move that Taiga just did

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marci prodidy

vital pollen
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hmye

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love the bat witchblade interaction

tender fox
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eg showing their progress at least

vital pollen
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gareth casting og vs lgd

errant tusk
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so much better draft from og

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actually had a read its gonna be ww mid i think

vital pollen
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Lul

errant tusk
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bzm playing against ww 1st time ever i think

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on mid

vital pollen
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Ye

errant tusk
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ww should lose like all lanes

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1v1

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46 base dmg

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meanwhile every other hero in the game has 60 nowadays

vital pollen
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Dunno if og have an answer to that early lgd aggression

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They really need those stacks

errant tusk
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they dont care rly

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they are just playing on bristle timer

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and defend towers with kotl/viper

vital pollen
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If they lose the stacks they'll have an issue

errant tusk
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lgd needs to bring 5to farm the stacks

vital pollen
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Can see them moving there now

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Cause bristle tped bot

errant tusk
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faith bian/nothing to say are actually best players by far in lgd i feel like

vital pollen
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Ye

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Xingq

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Imo

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Best pos4

errant tusk
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nts wins lanes he has no business doing ok in

vital pollen
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Ye

errant tusk
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and he didnt even get rotations

vital pollen
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It's like maybe

errant tusk
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they just responded to og bringing people to mid

vital pollen
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Lgd plays really damn well together in early

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I've watched some games from enemy pov

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And like, it always looks like they go on you 2v1 or 2v2

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But then within seconds they're 4 or 5

errant tusk
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i was expecting ww to be rly shut down

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but if ww gets fast aghs

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bristle cant play this game

vital pollen
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That bristle is gonna get hard kited i feel

errant tusk
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bzm needs to find ww

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and kill her

vital pollen
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Sprout, shards, slows

errant tusk
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ye but they wont do damage

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ww does absurd damage

vital pollen
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Ye he died once from rotating, didn't even need to put a point in heal

errant tusk
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thats a rly bad fight to lose

vital pollen
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No jugg

errant tusk
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coz thats potentially rosh even

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well you cant have jugg there

vital pollen
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Ye

errant tusk
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fight near outpost/t1-t2 of dire

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so he cant tp

vital pollen
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Could've had jug in triangle

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But too split

errant tusk
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ww should be playing more greedy i think

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play for his farm

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coz ww aghs is stupid op

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actually their wincon

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more than jugg i think

vital pollen
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Taking too many fights atm

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Without item timings to back it up

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And playing 4v5

errant tusk
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xinq will disable help

vital pollen
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Nts just falling behind in farm too much i think

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He'll get fissured and then the ember just jumps on you

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OG might feel a bit too comfortable atm

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cause the jugg basically didnt participate in the game at all

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gotta take down heroes else the come back with full hp 5sec later

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cause ench/healing ward/cold embrace

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man what a messy fight from LGD

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having to use 3 buybacks for the rosh

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still worth but man

errant tusk
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its worth

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its big mistake from og to not have buys

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coz they couldve ended the game

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if they did

vital pollen
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yeah i think so too

errant tusk
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also if ww had juggs networth this game is over

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i think lgd cant lose it anymore

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too late into the game/og not enough advantage

tender fox
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when ww get perma arctic stonks

vital pollen
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good game tho

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OG just a few misplays

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wasting their aegis

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was the big L imo

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if they stack up properly and run down the t2s, LGD has no way to defend against that

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and then they can just starve them out for 10-15min

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tactical DD again

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holy fuck

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those ice shards

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but imo a bit of panic there as well, not using sleight to gain some invulnerability

tender fox
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prophet trolling

vital pollen
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best prophet ive seen in a while

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good itemization

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and didnt just do the "im bulldog ill splitpush" cause he realized that the OG draft will ruin his game

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spent first 20mins doing his thing, then he dies once to ember+kotl with shard and then he just stops

tender fox
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jugg is just so satisfying when he works

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god blacks mic

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they should at least send the talent some good gear if they cast from home

vital pollen
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OG did well though

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just felt like bzm had no impact this game

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dying solo to a hero he should never die to

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and then he died a few times to very predictable rotations

tender fox
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talon-outsiders game pretty crazy

vital pollen
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feels like

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OG had better draft both games

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yet somehow im guessing this will be a 2-0 for lgd

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LGD wins stuff they shouldnt be winning

versed matrix
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LGD good

tender fox
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they just need to get a mental coach for throwing finals

versed matrix
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just bet on the opposition

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win-win

vital pollen
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pos4 shaker lv6 before min10

tender fox
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he got solo puck kill when rest died

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es Pog

vital pollen
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that was so well played by ame

tender fox
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ye was big yuke of 4 ppl

vital pollen
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decent networth advantage

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idk how theyre doing it

versed matrix
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5 man

tender fox
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the fissure block to bait the doom

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he rly wanted to throw it

vital pollen
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whenever you meet someone from LGD, you know theres like 2+ people in close proximity

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they didnt even play very aggressive this game. mostly just reacted to what OG was doing, and always had an answer

tender fox
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also why do misha+og coach always have visa issues or w/e while all other ruskis can come

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criminals aPES_Robber

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how do he just walk away from 5 heroes

versed matrix
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because of shakira

vital pollen
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they already used solo coil

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if they doom him there as well, they kill the shaker and just get wiped after

versed matrix
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how long does this tournament last

vital pollen
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4days of groupstages

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this is day2

versed matrix
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is it all the way to the next weekend?

vital pollen
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and then main event starting on wednesday i think?

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until sunday

versed matrix
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wish there were earlier games I could watch during work lul

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unlucky timezone

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not a fan of doom pos1

vital pollen
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was huskar

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doom is 3

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think if ame doesnt back out there

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with his aegis

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they can fight that

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2v5

tender fox
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ye if he baited for the echo and xinq didnt try to snipe puck

versed matrix
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but yuragi is pos1

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they just lane swapped

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or do they play ammar on pos1 huskar?

errant tusk
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ammar plays like 1 from oflfane

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anyway

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plays super greedy

tender fox
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cant wait to see eg lose

versed matrix
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same

tender fox
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what is this stream

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slideshow

versed matrix
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30 fps

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console gaming

errant tusk
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pgl production

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1st 20 standins

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now 20 fps

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the only reason they get majors is noone else wants them

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coz you have to cooperate with valve

tender fox
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they have let black cast for 2 days with the worst mic in history also

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doesnt even try to fix it

errant tusk
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they did some awful csgo majors too

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the one in stockholm i think was awful

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the last one was ok

tender fox
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guess we watch gorp for more frames

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sad he dont have cocaster today

versed matrix
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sprit crazy plays

errant tusk
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lmao eg

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eg brings the game back from pits of despair

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to just throw it so hardcore

versed matrix
tender fox
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puck keeps getting caught by doom

versed matrix
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should have picked storm spirit

tender fox
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lol

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counter throw

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haha actually throne

versed matrix
severe sail
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Wait...how did EG win that

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I swapped to watching the beast coast game

tender fox
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won 1 fight no bb from spirit KEKW

errant tusk
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spirit PEPW

severe sail
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lol

errant tusk
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no bbs vs enigma

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clown plays

buoyant sage
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enigma late game

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  • Tom foolery from TS
errant tusk
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just no bbs

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herald plays

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cant call it otherwise

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lmao

tender fox
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just a matter of time before this eg powerhouse showed up to win the tourney kkonaW

errant tusk
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its on the same level of ee sama losing to no tp scroll

tender fox
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so they first pick puck for abed whole tourney this time?

errant tusk
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he plays only blue heroes

versed matrix
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love me some ho ho ha ha

tender fox
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what made sniper so op that patch was it only 3x shrapnel cant remember

errant tusk
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which patch

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you mean now?

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or hoho haha patch

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if hohohaha then yea shrapnels 3 stacks and insane dmg + insane vision

tender fox
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ye hohohaha time

errant tusk
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ye shrapnels

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his laning was absurd

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you would press 1 shrapnel and chain it on one guy

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and you killed everyone 1v1

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was so obnoxious

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and it gave much bigger vision too

tender fox
errant tusk
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i think this is one of the most hated patches to ever exist in dota

tender fox
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collapse is hating his life

errant tusk
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eg is winning

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how can we hate bulba drafts now

tender fox
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true, i however think this will make them think this is a good fraft and it will backfire

errant tusk
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them qualifying from weakest region is whats fucking them

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coz they wont do drastic changes

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they would if they wouldnt qualify for ti for basically free

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look at secret

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at least they had to do something about them shitting the bed vs any decent team

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meanwhile they win single game vs tsm or qc and just qualify for major into basically securing ti slot

vital pollen
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yeah its also why cn teams almost always show up strong to events

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and then falter towards the end

versed matrix
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also NA team

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and theres 4 eu dudes in it

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non NA I guess, forgot about abed

tender fox
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they have basically qualed to ti just by being #1 in the 3 na dpc's

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then some free points from major at that

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surprised that some other teams arent just going there for free qual

versed matrix
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like the PSG of dota

tender fox
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he says as if there is no psg in dota

versed matrix
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play in a rat domestic league and get spanked in UCL

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where is sheepsticked from, liquipedia says UK but I cant place the accent

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sounds like mild irish

distant yoke
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could be northern ireland?

vital pollen
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dude

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these lgd teamfights

versed matrix
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no audio now

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wtf is this production vlaue

vital pollen
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the individual stream works

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fnatic v lgd

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is pretty pog

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they have no business winning these lanes or games

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but they do

versed matrix
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im watching in squad mode

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ame lul

vital pollen
versed matrix
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team spirit play

vital pollen
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always impressed by their target selection in teamfights

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seems like they always know how many and which heroes they need to take down 1 core each

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and they split up the fights that way

errant tusk
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wtf is this production

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sth important happens

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replay

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??????

vital pollen
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Ye it's pretty bad at times

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Lgd struggling quite a bit in that game 2

errant tusk
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they power through

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i think playing into team like that is just hartd

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cant really prepare well

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3 standins

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thats just such a wildcard

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i just wonder how will lgd manage to fuck it up on ti and somehow lose

vital pollen
vital pollen
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liquid vs lgd

errant tusk
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tide ta

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liquid actually looking like they can win

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w/e lgd just gonna bring it back

vital pollen
#

how

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do they keep doing this

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like

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this game looked fucking over

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but yeah

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minus armor strat stronk

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great positioning there as well

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jumps behind the LD with TA

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so he cant fear both

errant tusk
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they're getting farmed on vision game

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so cant take good teamfights

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ame choked

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or wtgf

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he couldve blinked

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100%

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they didnt preplace dawnbreaker ability

vital pollen
#

lgd vision game is always super good

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its something i learned from them

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to just drop a highground ward

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from smoke

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or the moment smoke breaks

errant tusk
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ye

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thats biggest thing you can always do

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deward/ward yourself

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fighting under vision is impossible

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hoodwink is so dumb

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how does that reach the ench

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??

vital pollen
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dunno

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it has a little bit of auto adjust at the end

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where it curves

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lmao

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okay

tender fox
versed matrix
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roasted

errant tusk
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rofl

vital pollen
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fucking rolled

tender fox
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huddled real good for ravage+kiss

errant tusk
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they all ined

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didnt work out

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how its gonna go

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i had solo queue game yday that went same

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enemy team all ined me twice and failed coz i lived on 20 hp

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insta lost game LULE

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@vital pollen

tender fox
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xinq es gg

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always where the action happens insane

vital pollen
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lgd magnus ptsd intensifies

versed matrix
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lot much of a fan of this lgd draft

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I feel like ursa never works

vital pollen
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god

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this shaker play

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sublime

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first the block in the roshpit

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and then the juke and second fissure block

vital pollen
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think xinq is the only es to actually go blink before shard in both his games, everyone else goes shard first on shaker iirc. and hes the only one actually winning games on the hero

tender fox
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eg is playing

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first pick puck

vital pollen
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i mean hes firstpick/ban

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every game

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or almsot every game

versed matrix
#

tundra was good last major

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did they fall off a cliff meanwhile?

tender fox
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kicked fata and made sneyking captain

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but maybe was way bbefore dunno

errant tusk
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tundra is idiots for kicking fata

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as much as i dislike him

versed matrix
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I dont think he was on the team last major

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the one OG won with ceb

errant tusk
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ye and they were still no high from drafts/strats from old rosters

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on high*

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so they did pretty well

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top 3 or top 4 dont remember

versed matrix
#

yeah was it tsm in the final

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and tundra 3rd or something like that

errant tusk
#

that happens all the time in csgo teams

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they remove ingame leader for example

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and do rly well coz usually ingame leader is kinda bad mechanically/doesnt frag

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they take much more skilled player

versed matrix
#

I havent watched cs in a while

errant tusk
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plug him into old igl system

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and they do rly well for 2-3 months

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coz old system is still working

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just with a bit better skilled player

versed matrix
#

I was rooting for faze

errant tusk
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and then they tank ultra hard

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that happens quite a bit in csgo

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used to happen* i guess

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i dont rly follow as much anymore either

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but doesnt matter, same phenomenon

tender fox
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dick move also wasnt it his team he created cus kicked from alliance

vital pollen
errant tusk
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ye

vital pollen
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hes an ass but boy does he understand dota

errant tusk
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tbh i can see why they do it

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i wont rly blame a team even tho they do well

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that they want to upgrade

vital pollen
#

yeah

errant tusk
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coz saksa is ofc a better player

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and its a championship play

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just didnt work out

vital pollen
#

its just the typical "oh we can probably do better" and you dont notice how useful that player was until theyre gone

errant tusk
#

yea

vital pollen
#

sometimes it works

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sometimes it doesnt

errant tusk
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i guess he was doing more than they thought

vital pollen
#

we had a lot of teams like that

errant tusk
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or was given credit for

vital pollen
#

like

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you get rid of someone like maelk or ppd

errant tusk
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i just see it happening in cs a lot more

vital pollen
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or even ceb

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during his quantic gaming days

errant tusk
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ye i always say

vital pollen
#

cause theyre just not the most mechanically gifted players

errant tusk
#

that ceb is best player in entire game to bring into any team

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the things he does outside of the game

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almsot noone does it

vital pollen
#

but new patch comes or new meta and you need their game sense and its just not there

errant tusk
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actually most valuable player to have in roster

vital pollen
#

you need the og dota1 chads for that

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who live and breathe the game

errant tusk
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hence players like puppey always find success

vital pollen
#

ye

errant tusk
#

very charismatic

vital pollen
#

or xiao8

errant tusk
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leaders

vital pollen
#

or ceb

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or maelk (if he still played)

errant tusk
#

ppd yep

vital pollen
#

ye

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its funny

errant tusk
#

misery probably

vital pollen
#

ye

errant tusk
#

moonmeander grows as one now too

tender fox
#

is maelk still some esport mogul

vital pollen
#

no idea

errant tusk
#

idk what happened with maelk

tender fox
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wasnt he running some LOL org

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VP of 100thieves

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they mostly have egirls and winning in call of duty or some other murican console games it looks like

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also not mentioning

vital pollen
#

oh ye kuro obviously

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goated

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resolution as well

distant yoke
#

LoL person

tender fox
#

also if s4 went coach would prolly be insane for some team

versed matrix
#

s4Head

errant tusk
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i have no opinion on s4 right now

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has too weak tournament performances for past literally 3 years

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to take him seriously/his opinions

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when he cocasts with gorgc

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idk

tender fox
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well his skill has just deteriorated and he refuse to go to support like other oldies or go coach

errant tusk
#

kuro plays so dogshit too

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doesnt play any pubs

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-kuro +saksa and kuro goes coach

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and then you get no stun lineups

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all thee time

tender fox
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also why the fuck is there a ruski player named swedenstrong

errant tusk
#

ye

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lmao

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there is cis player that is called torontotokyo too

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torontotokyo*

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so you know

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different breed

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idk if he's ukrainian or russian

#

ukrainian i tihnk

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russian actually

tender fox
#

well thats not the same thing

errant tusk
#

wasnt sure

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isnt it?

versed matrix
#

nigma inst in this major is it

errant tusk
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in korea/china its fairly popular for pro players to have random nicknames in english and its words they liked in english

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so korean players in sc1 have nicknames like flash

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or snow

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because they just heard the words and they liked them

versed matrix
#

isnt that all nicknames almost

tender fox
#

yeah but swedenstrong feels way to random

#

maybe he is reincarnated from when sweden ruled europe

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and puck banned what will bulba do

#

storm?

errant tusk
#

void spirit probably

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2nd best mid probably

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if puck gets nerfed void spirit is beyond best mid laner

#

which it probably will

#

since its 1st pick/1st banned all the time

#

marci/dawn/puck are always picked/banned i feel like

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in pubs too

versed matrix
#

new heroes, me not like

#

im trying to think what was the last hero added when I last played

#

I think monkey king

#

I dont know what dark willow does

errant tusk
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dark willow is 4

tender fox
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who the fuck is primal beast

#

not in cm or just worthless

versed matrix
#

im at least kinda familiar with the other new heroes but dark willow I have no clue what her abilities are

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kinda similar with hoodwink and marci, I just know she jumps around

errant tusk
#

primal beast not in cm

versed matrix
#

is that the starcraft crossover

errant tusk
#

man i even called abed will play void spirit

tender fox
#

and he got soloed by hoodwink

#

almost twice

vital pollen
#

tbf

#

hoodwink is an annoying hero

errant tusk
#

hoodwink is rly strong 1v1 hero

vital pollen
#

ye

#

coconut too stronk

#

just trades too well

#

if you try to fight him

#

and has great animation

errant tusk
#

actually

#

i heard that tundra wanted to do -sneyking +saksa

#

but fata didnt agree

#

so they ended up kicking fata and getting saksa

#

and sneyking 5

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lmao

#

so -sneyking +fata now? clueless

vital pollen
#

weird cuz sneyking is

#

super overrated

#

always felt he was bad

#

since first NA appearance

versed matrix
#

fata used to be mid, right?

vital pollen
#

ye

tender fox
#

ah lol visage got stone form on hero now with shard

vital pollen
#

ye

#

visage aghs is pretty cool too

versed matrix
#

what is voids shard

#

hes just zoomin

vital pollen
#

spirit?

#

adds 6 outer rings and increases dissimilate dam

versed matrix
#

faceless void

vital pollen
#

oh

versed matrix
#

watching fnatic vs liquid

vital pollen
#

allows you to timewalk back

#

and increases castrange as well, which is probably hte more important one

versed matrix
#

it used to be aoe bash on q right?

vital pollen
#

thats the aghs upgrade

versed matrix
#

right

vital pollen
#

when you timewalk somewhere you just bash in aoe

#

or rather

#

meleehit in aoe with a guaranteed bash

versed matrix
#

I just remember the old aghs which was just cd

#

and maybe radius?

vital pollen
#

radius was talent

#

old aghs was just cd to 60sec

versed matrix
#

yea I havent played since talents have been in

vital pollen
#

somehow im not sure if quincy crew is even ahead

#

despite them killing nts like 4times

#

13-5 and 1tower ahead and not even 1k gold advantage

#

this is a weird game

#

feels like lgd just doesnt care that they keep ganking their zeus

#

or that they take rosh

versed matrix
#

LGD somehow never fall behind

vital pollen
#

ame just farming

#

faith bian as well

versed matrix
#

and always keep up somehow

vital pollen
#

theyll just do one teamfight

#

and somehow win it like

#

1-4

#

quincy basically overrating every time

#

every kill

versed matrix
#

pos1 weaver, interesting

vital pollen
#

they bring 3 or 4 people and LGD just says "sure, take it, we got 4 heroes farming in the meantime"

versed matrix
#

bristle such a strong hero

vital pollen
#

just annoying

versed matrix
#

runs you down

vital pollen
#

yeah but typically you have a team disrupting him somehow

tender fox
#

qc gonna win this actually

versed matrix
#

maybe they can burst him with ET and zeus in a big fight

vital pollen
#

lgd playing like a pub team rn

#

like

versed matrix
#

but I dont see too many answers to him

vital pollen
#

theyre not even trying

tender fox
#

this draft is a bit to out there

vital pollen
#

nah LG will turn this around

#

idk how

#

but just watch them win this game

#

in the next 10minutes

#

quincy will take next rosh, push hg

#

and get wiped

versed matrix
#

ET is the way

vital pollen
#

lgd hasnt even attempted to fight/defend so far, they just farm their items

#

and quincy gets pickoffs 24/7

#

on solo heroes

#

this is their first smoke minute 22

#

and they have like

#

3more 😄

#

there we go

#

didnt even solar guardian in did they

#

faithbian was just farming

tender fox
#

he did on trapped rhasta i think

vital pollen
#

this game is weird

versed matrix
#

lgd trying to delay and find trades while looking for the perfect fight

vital pollen
#

didnt even use zeus ult

versed matrix
#

lgd too weak

vital pollen
#

i mean, they just didnt play all game

#

just farming

#

weird as fuck game

tender fox
#

everyone just spamming xiaobet PEPW

vital pollen
#

ye

#

lmao

tender fox
#

i dunno putting xinq on shaman is a waste

vital pollen
#

just feels like a pub game

#

with 1 team flaming each other in teamchat all game

#

cause mid got ganked twice

tender fox
#

i dont see bristle dying with wisp and ww

vital pollen
#

i mean, weave just jumps them in the backline

#

literally wasting

#

the weaver downtime

#

while he has no buyback

#

good ol backdoor protection not doing shit

#

idk, lgd just felt afk all game

#

not evne buying back/defending kekw

severe sail
#

QC being the first team to take a game off LGD, just like we all expected

versed matrix
#

xiaobet

vital pollen
#

did ame even use his bkb a single time?

#

no vessel (although they didnt really plan on fighting anyway) against bristle/io/wyvern

severe sail
#

Oh wow Thunder also took down outsiders, I thought they were going to lose that

vital pollen
#

but yeah that lgd draft was something else 😄

#

their last few drafts were trash as well but this one was a new low

#

ngl, qc played well

#

but lgd just had a dog draft and was afk all game. maybe call them out on that instead of fellating qc 24/7 now

tender fox
#

lol og beat rng in 12 min game 2

severe sail
#

Lacoste: "There is no way Chen lives here"
Narrator: "Chen lived"

errant tusk
#

no fun allowed

vital pollen
versed matrix
#

NP level 16 vs 24 on TA

#

oof

errant tusk
#

outsiders vs lgd

versed matrix
#

was watching og vs TP

#

and manchester city vs west ham at the same time

versed matrix
#

yes

#

LGD poggers

vital pollen
#

What a fight

#

That fissure block

tender fox
distant yoke
#

no just a bad game

#

doesnt help that Anders Bjuhr, the swedish commentator is absolutely terrible at it

versed matrix
#

cant be worse than the united game

errant tusk
#

lgd literally lucky

versed matrix
#

that was awful

errant tusk
#

coz jugg jumps on ursa

#

instead of ns

#

also how is ns allowed as a hero

#

omnislash is just budget troll ult

vital pollen
#

That remnant

#

To cancel bh

#

Excuse me?

tender fox
vital pollen
#

Im gonna need to see that from player pov

errant tusk
#

its easier to predict when you have 7k flying vision from ns

vital pollen
#

Well yeah

tender fox
#

wasnt he just outside of bh and put it down after

errant tusk
#

actually dumbest shit ever

vital pollen
#

It was really fucking fast

distant yoke
tender fox
#

well yeah she just doesnt know shit

vital pollen
#

But yeah ns ult is fucking stupid

errant tusk
#

you cant do anything

#

i think only play is to press phoenix ult and all 4 tp base

vital pollen
#

Nattea is doing an excellent job as host

#

Especially considering it's like her third dota event

#

Already ten times better than sheever

tender fox
#

we were talking about football premier league host in swedish tv studio PEPW

errant tusk
#

im pretty sure even if tasteless and artosis did their 1st dota 2 tournament ever people would hate

vital pollen
#

Oh sorry, thought this was dota channel

#

My mistake

errant tusk
#

even tho they'd be lucky to have them

tender fox
#

its ok

vital pollen
#

Svenskjävlar

errant tusk
#

so its w/e

tender fox
#

sajedene was kinda cringe though

#

tried way to hard

severe sail
#

This OG/Thunder game 2 is wild

#

Pure SA run-at-you dota

errant tusk
distant yoke
#

i love it here

#

i love bulba drafts

vital pollen
#

Lmao