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pulsar zodiac Sep 13, 2021, 7:50 AM

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the opener is incorrect

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this is the sequence that would be correct

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this comes from the fact that you want to always use symbols-flag.
like mentioned in #subtlety-faq

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besides that, if you don't want to thats perfectly fine but you could look into using the deathly cheese to further increase your output at effectively no cost

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it means using vanish-snd pre pull with a specific legendary equipt and then starting with a running snd (and a small damag amp) into the fight

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if you want to get a macro/instructions on it just type !ds in #subtlety

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you lost a entire gcd during dance due to delays

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oh, one additional point for the deathly cheese.
your opener sequence would be:
"strike-dance-strike-symbols-flag-rupture" with it shadowblades can be used rather dynamically during that i would use it after symbols

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towards the 7 gcd, its likely due to you not being familiar with the opener, just try to practice it a bit on a dummy

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(btw. i am looking at guardian as this fight is mostly single target and should allow you to focus on your rotation more)

solar bronze Sep 13, 2021, 7:58 AM

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ok, i should delay symbols after dual shadowstrike but before ruture, right?

pulsar zodiac Sep 13, 2021, 7:58 AM

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you did not dance after your first dance but delayed your 2nd dance charge

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you always align symbols-flag, this means delaying symbols slightly in the opener

solar bronze Sep 13, 2021, 7:59 AM

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ok

pulsar zodiac Sep 13, 2021, 7:59 AM

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towards why you don't want to delay your 2nd dance like this

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you have flag running and want to build stacks

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backstab is inefficient at this, so you want to use shadow dance/shadow strike

solar bronze Sep 13, 2021, 8:00 AM

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right.

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just a clarification, i want to delay symbols at high cp just before casting flag. does this mean i also want to delay SD so it's always duering symbols?

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right now i have a macro that casts SD, trinkets, symbols and strike to avoid losing a GC

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*gcd

pulsar zodiac Sep 13, 2021, 8:02 AM

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you have a very long time between ability casts sometimes, its possible that this was during a movement part but it should be avoided

solar bronze Sep 13, 2021, 8:02 AM

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but apparently it's harming me more than giving me advantage

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ah that can really be me fuking it up.

pulsar zodiac Sep 13, 2021, 8:02 AM

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the flag rules are simple but let me repeat what is in #subtlety-faq

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you always line up symbols with flag because it gets the auto crit but does not consume it

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you can delay symbols by 10 secs if flag comes off cooldown during this time period

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and this also fits very well in your next mistake

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you did use flag alone there

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the 3rd rule is to always use flag when you want to use a finisher

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because you want to get as many stacks as possible

solar bronze Sep 13, 2021, 8:04 AM

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yup.

pulsar zodiac Sep 13, 2021, 8:04 AM

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so if it heps you

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this is probably the only time i suggest somone to make a pattern of use

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but symbols-flag-finisher-dance

solar bronze Sep 13, 2021, 8:05 AM

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yeah, this guardian pars has been really bad. but on nerzhul or painsmeith i did much better. dunno why.

pulsar zodiac Sep 13, 2021, 8:05 AM

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is always the sequence if you play venthyr

solar bronze Sep 13, 2021, 8:05 AM

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kk i'll keep that in mind.

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i'll have to get rid of my dance macro, causa i cast symbols but also strke thus buring the crit buff immediately.

pulsar zodiac Sep 13, 2021, 8:05 AM

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the flag issue continues

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those are the next 2 casts of it

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without symbols, without a follow up dance

solar bronze Sep 13, 2021, 8:07 AM

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so i'll have to delay both symbols and flag for when i have a dance ready basically.

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well, symbols was already that, but also flag.

pulsar zodiac Sep 13, 2021, 8:07 AM

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you should always have a dance charge ready for symbols

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you don't use dance if you would invalidate that

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rupture and snd uptime seemed good

solar bronze Sep 13, 2021, 8:08 AM

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ok. so i just need to wait and line up my stuff better.

pulsar zodiac Sep 13, 2021, 8:08 AM

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the easiest thing to start with is to learn how to use flag

solar bronze Sep 13, 2021, 8:08 AM

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yep

pulsar zodiac Sep 13, 2021, 8:08 AM

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its one thing that costs you a lot of output

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because you used it entirely incorrect what makes obedience and flag a lot weaker

solar bronze Sep 13, 2021, 8:09 AM

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i need to train on the dummy, to at least get used to the new rotation

pulsar zodiac Sep 13, 2021, 8:09 AM

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its a very common mistakes so don't worry

solar bronze Sep 13, 2021, 8:09 AM

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muscle memory really fucks me up soemtimes-

pulsar zodiac Sep 13, 2021, 8:10 AM

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shadow dance uptime was also not great, so you did shadow dance not enough 😛

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but that was probably because you had quite some dance uses when you lost casts or during movement

solar bronze Sep 13, 2021, 8:10 AM

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which means i'm generating less combo/casting less finihsers than i should.

pulsar zodiac Sep 13, 2021, 8:10 AM

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the spec has a very strong feedback loop

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so its quite punishing if you do things inefficiently

solar bronze Sep 13, 2021, 8:11 AM

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i know

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but i wanted to up my game. assa and outlaw are fine and performing but sub is the true test, and i want to get better 🙂

pulsar zodiac Sep 13, 2021, 8:11 AM

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i would also suggest you to build a rank 1 deathly legendary and use the cheese

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its free dps under one condition that your raid does not pre pull a lot

solar bronze Sep 13, 2021, 8:12 AM

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yeah, gonna do that this evening. i have spare dust left. even if i stopped doing choregast after the 262 obediance

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i am the RL so not a problem there XD

pulsar zodiac Sep 13, 2021, 8:12 AM

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it can be on the cheapest slot and only needs to be rank 1 for the cheese

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i would suggest you to make a gear set for deathly too when using it so you can:

change to deathly gear set via button
use vanish-snd 2-3 sec pre pull

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(you can replace snd with the macro for it, what would allow you to do the above)

solar bronze Sep 13, 2021, 8:14 AM

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ok

pulsar zodiac Sep 13, 2021, 8:15 AM

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so summery of things you can work on:
#1 try to learn/adjust your opener and try to get all gcds in dance
#2 symbols-flag-finisher-dance -- remember that and delay symbols/wait for symbols appropriately
#3 the deathly cheese is easy free dps at no cost

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you can esp. in the opener also use finisher slightly earlier to get higher flag stacks more reliably

solar bronze Sep 13, 2021, 8:16 AM

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ok, like at 4 cp

pulsar zodiac Sep 13, 2021, 8:17 AM

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so you can finish on 4+ cp instead of the 5+. Its probably best to only do this 4+ rule during shadowblades

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some additional things too

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stiletto is not nessecerly your best 3rd conduit, you can sim if PV is better for you

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If you use PV all you need to do is use backstab between shadow dances to consume the stacks

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also you are missing a enchant on your boots 😉

solar bronze Sep 13, 2021, 8:19 AM

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haha right

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as for conduits, last sims told me that, but they could be changing

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theyr'e all pretty near

pulsar zodiac Sep 13, 2021, 8:20 AM

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if you want to min max even more, you could type !oil in #subtlety and see if using diffrent oil/stone/food combinations is better

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they are quite close and it also depends on your rank in those

solar bronze Sep 13, 2021, 8:21 AM

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all 226 basically-

pulsar zodiac Sep 13, 2021, 8:21 AM

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also i think you forgot to re-flask

solar bronze Sep 13, 2021, 8:22 AM

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may be. it was the end of the raid and being alchemist i have the 2 hours buff.

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can you give a quick glance on nerzhul? i performed a lot btter there. just to see if i'm consistently doing the same errors everywhere

pulsar zodiac Sep 13, 2021, 8:23 AM

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i didn't see it in your buffs list so either i missed it or you forgot

solar bronze Sep 13, 2021, 8:23 AM

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i think i also died for a little on guardian, 92% activity is strange.

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dont really remeber.

pulsar zodiac Sep 13, 2021, 8:31 AM

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nerzul has similar mistakes

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e.g. the opener

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the 2nd flag use is better because you used dance after so you would have gotten higher stacks compared to what you did on guardian

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you still had some dances with lost globals

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but overall your log is better because the fight lengh was a lot shorter

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and also because your flag usage was better, you did not waste it to the same degree

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so your stack cound would be decent/better

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