#skarlyon - Log Review

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static flickerBOT
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Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

lusty mantle
ancient pike
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I can try to answer your question about opener, I've been looking through your log, but there doesn't seem to be anything horribly wrong with how you're playing, I'm a bit confused myself.

lusty mantle
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I see that i am sometimes missing an 8th cast into dance, prob cause i use dance when im not ready to press backstab (due to mid gcd) or generally being slow

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What mostly intrigues me is why my sec teq (especially the 2nd one in cooldowns) seems to wet noodle (19mil total damage in the log) compared to good logs

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one i looked at had 30mil damage (without araz trinket cause i dont have that either and it kinda matters for first pull)

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i know that i did not get it with macabre stacks cause i did not get the reset for sec teq in time (i assume cause i didnt proc coup or am to slow or both)

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and im missing warrior buff

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but that should (in my mind) not bring it from 19mil to like 30mil

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And i seem to have that problem in general that my sec teq does lower damage than it should

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i like to think that i alawys have symbols or dance for it ( + supercharge) and i cant find a reason why it does not do that much

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Also more on a general basis, there is no way to guarantee a coup in first dance window for the first set of cooldowns in a fight right? 35% chance from set has to proc for one of the 3 unseen blades i get

ancient pike
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Yea, I think on your first window you just got bad luck with coup. That also happens, I don't think there's anything we can do about it except try to cheese unseen blades before pull, but that's not super reliable

lusty mantle
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Ok I can live with that, rng is rng

ancient pike
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But I think that's why your Sec tech hit for weaker because you're missing 30% buff on your 2nd sec tech from the 10 stacks of flawless form

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It's a minor piece of optimization, but with TFD, you don't need to wait for 2nd dance to send your sec tech.

lusty mantle
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Thank you, that makes so much sense. I forgot about the flawless form stacks entirely and was wrecking my brain for like 2 hours trying to figure that out

ancient pike
lusty mantle
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Im not "waiting" for 2nd dance on purpose im just to slow / cant get secret teq cooldown to reset before than

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I learned from kush, that i should hold coup stacks for like 20 seconds before cooldowns if i want more reliable and less highroll damage

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been doing that but im not sure im happy with it

ancient pike
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Yes, you should def do that, but you got 19 fewer coups, so maybe you're holding too much?

lusty mantle
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That might cost me a cast here and there

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also im exceptionally bad at sending naked sec teq

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thats probably also 2-4 coup casts over a fight

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cause it gives unseen blades

ancient pike
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Yea, you lost out on about 4 sec tech. If anything, my advice to you would be to just hold sec tech when there's like 25 sec left on flag, otherwise, you can kind of send it whenever

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you'll get a feel for when you can send sec tech getting more pulls in

lusty mantle
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I also fucked cooldown timing (send it late) in that log cause i thought it wont fit before intermission. that was wrong. mostly choose that log cause of the low sec teq damage example

dreamy root
lusty mantle
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Okay good to know. I should in general stop pressing dance / sec teq macro before my gcd is finished

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what you linked is a macro with cd and teq but i spammed it between gcd´s

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so cb was earlier than teq

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also i did not know that about gcd, good info.

dreamy root
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this is only a quirk with cdg because it's 3 separate attacks with a delay in between, normally spamming the macro is ok

lusty mantle
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Thank both of you alot. Got quite a lot to do better but atleast i know why things are like they are. was getting pretty frustrated figuring that out

ancient pike
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@dreamy root any idea where the 19 unseen blade stacks went?

lusty mantle
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I can tell you that quite a few went to ^shadowstrike cause i cant remember to shurikens torm during gcd´s inbetween cdg most of the time

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prob not 19 tho

dreamy root
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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/m9yLg3DMJk2PZ4AV/ZrcVz46FjtxKGM89?fight=4&type=damage-done&translate=true&source=4%2C25&ability=282449&view=events this is a comparison of sectec damage with a log of similar kill time. I do think that you sending your CDs way later (mostly due to having a 2min gap between flags) affected your total damage, but your sectec in general does seem low. We know one was a bad CB, and on the last one you had no symbols up for sectec but it hit for literally half the other rogue's damage

dreamy root
ancient pike
dreamy root
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there is a translate button on the top right

ancient pike
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well it seems like that chinese rogue was highballing out of control, so don't feel too bad

dreamy root
lusty mantle
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Was bout to say thats porobably because of me not shuriken storming

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but neither does the other rogue

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Does the hits account for 35% proc rate from set. Not saying thats the only difference but would be nice to know

dreamy root
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the two at 1:51 you cannot avoid

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it was double proc

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then you waste 6 which is 1,5 cdg cast alone

lusty mantle
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The first 4 at the beginning im pretty sure i go into dance windows with 4 stacks of blade, no combo points. i press dance -> backstab -> sec teq -> strike -> coup

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am i supposed to dance -> cdg -> symbols -> 2nd cdg and than teq?

dreamy root
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you generally send sectec asap to take advantage of the cdr from finishers

lusty mantle
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thats what i thought but in that case i always waste atleast 1 unseen blades proc after sec teq (seems to have procced hier, so 2 stacks)

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and in this specific case backstab also procced unseen blade + 35% from set i assume

dreamy root
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wasting due to double proc is whatever. But from these 8 procs, only 4 are double procs

lusty mantle
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Oh i was looking at an earlier window, my bad. In that case i have no idea what i was doing tbh

ancient pike
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Yea, i think the bigger takeaway is to not hold coup for so long. As long as the target has fazed on it, just send your cdg and that should help

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the extra you're losing from abovementioned scenario is true but minor compared to the many stacks you lost throughout the fight from holding

dreamy root
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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/m9yLg3DMJk2PZ4AV?fight=4&type=casts&translate=true&source=4%2C25&view=events&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%24-1%240.0.0.Any%24"Meroga".0.0.Any|97205349.0.0.Rogue%24true%240.0.0.Any%24true%24441786^0%24Separate%24%23909049%24casts%24-1%240.0.0.Any%24"meroga".0.0.Any|97205349.0.0.Rogue%24true%240.0.0.Any%24true%24280719^0%24Separate%24%23a04D8A%24damage%24-1%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24true%24441144&start=1097759%2C2801070&end=1128203%2C2831514 this shows it better

lusty mantle
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I was apparently holding my cdg for next dance window for like 30 seconds. Dont ask me why I thought that was a good idea

dreamy root
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I don't know why you BP there

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that's a non-flag dance, you don't save cdg for that generally, and definitely not for 22s like you did. You only save cdg for flag dances

lusty mantle
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Yeah dont try to figure it out. I have no idea why i was holding that long for cdg in the next dance. Simply dumb

ancient pike
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no worries, but it seems like we have solved the mystery!

lusty mantle
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Also i have learned that i can proc unseen blades kinda b2b without sec teq

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thought it was always 20 seconds internal gcd

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but it just guarantees it every 20 seconds

dreamy root
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sectec gives you 2 extra UB procs, it's a trickster talent

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and those have prio over the "normal" cooldown one. But your UB cooldown can reset at any point due to Thousand Cuts anyway

lusty mantle
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Yeah, but in the example you sent last i procced it (without teq before) like 5 seconds apart from just backstab

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It seems i thought i understood what i was doing but really did not. Thanks for taking the time and pointing it out

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I will definitely work on those things

ancient pike
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The good news is that your cds look good for the most part, Just remember the fazed interaction with cdg and send it as long as you gain flawless form stacks from doing it

dreamy root
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no problem, work on a few things at a time, don't try to fix everything together

lusty mantle
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Will do. Mostly happy to know what I need to work on

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One last thing if you got the time. Do you just send dance charges after cd´s as soon as possible or wait for 2 stacks escalating blades to guarantee cdg in the dance window (and by that prob having lower stacks of flawless form)

ancient pike
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it kind of depends. I'd think more about trinkets lining up and how many stacks of flawless form you have to decide whether you triple dance or not

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but honestly I don't think you need to nitpick that nearly as much, focus more on the fight and send dances when you know you'll have uptime

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like no upcoming mechanics and stuff

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but on many of the fights this tier, wh en you send dance is determined by when adds spawn

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so there's that

lusty mantle
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Good point but in the long run i should prob track stacks from flawless. right now i do not

dreamy root
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tracking FF isn't that important, you can play without that

ancient pike
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yea, that's def worth doing. Also, I'd try to get in the habit of sending more 18 charge prisms. When you do that, make sure you have triple dance so you can squeeze more out of that window

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also, minor thing, but don't pot on pull when you have prism

lusty mantle
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So you would not send prism with every cd window? i dont have forge so i would just send without trinket sometimes then?

dreamy root
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you can mostly decide on when to send the dance in between flags based on uptime on the boss

ancient pike
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it's more fight dependent, but I'd recommend against just blind sending prism on every cd

lusty mantle
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Okay, ill probably work on that when i have the other stuff kind of figured out.

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I wont take up any more of your time. Thank you again and have a nice rest of the day