#gingergamer - Log Review

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fiery hazelBOT
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Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

hollow bridge
lament brook
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Get a lily or a pvp trinket

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signet aint it

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there's a minor min max with pressing shuri storm instead of coup here

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!coup

robust peak
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Your dance immediately following your cds you supercharged rupture and missed supercharging sectec, both big nonos

lament brook
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yeah youre dancing way too much

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which has thrown off your next flag to be at 1:50

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instead of 1:30

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sectech + CB goes on the 2nd dance

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robust peak
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Switch those ss and bs

lament brook
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also another sectech not supercharged

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dont even cast sectech here

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no comment on this

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hollow bridge
robust peak
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With sub pretty much the only thing that matters is doing a perfect cd sequence every 90s. Do less during your in between so you don't risk those cd windows, and as you get more comfortable with the spec you can start learning when to do more during the in between to maximize damage

lament brook
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yeah

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less is more

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generally 2 dances between first and secondflag

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and 1-2 dances between 2nd and 3rd

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then repeat

hollow bridge
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@lament brook So..

Opener > 2 dances during
Outside > 2 dances
CDs > 2 dances

I also noticed while I've been spamming Eco today I have a habbit of sending my 3rd dance (right after cds) to quickly and have no SecTech and feels big sad

lament brook
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yup

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even though dance is the main source of our damage

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well

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one of the main sources

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the two cooldowns that you acutally need to track as sub is Flag and sectech

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flag so you have 1.5 dances and 1.3 symbols going into it

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so roughly 25 seconds before, stop pressing things

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and sectechs so that you arent sending dances and symbols without it

hollow bridge
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It seems so odd to play a spec where doing your damage, is not doing your damage, IE holding for so long before Flag

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my ADHD hands just start pressing stuff lol

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However, I've edited my Weakauras based off what you have both said to try fix some of the issues

hollow bridge
lament brook
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uhhhh

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it should be a more "use brain" thing

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so like

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if its 25 seconds

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and your dance is at 1 charge and 10 seconds remaining till the next one
symbols is at 2 charges and 10 seconds remaining till the next one

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then you shouldn't hold right?

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because then youre going to cap

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but then say youre at 1 charge and 50 second remaining but symbols is at 2 charges 10 seconds

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maybe you send a naked symbols + sectech

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that being said

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if you really want to turn off brain

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just copy cd timers from lorgs

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even though it seems like sub has a lot of rng and cooldown maintenance

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you roughly spend 2 dances inbetween flags

hollow bridge
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Appreciate your time brother

lament brook
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so if you look at this right

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there's the 2 dances sent in flag

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then there are 2 dances sent after flag at round 30 seconds and then another at 45 or 1min

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then its just hold until 1.5

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repeat again you see the 2 dances sent at flag at 1:30

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then another 1-2 dances until 3minutes

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if thinking is too hard (which it is sometimes)

hollow bridge
lament brook
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don't worry about capping on symbols charges and sending a naked symbols sectech

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youre going to lose more having a bad flag window

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than you are going to gain from getting the additional damage + some cdr from that symbols sectech

hollow bridge
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Is it worth...

lament brook
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like 80% of your damage is in flag

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so dont fuck it up

hollow bridge
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This is gunna sound a bit left field

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but hear me out

lament brook
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mhmmmmm

hollow bridge
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is it worth using the liquid reminders and importing higher log fights from Lorrgs and then using the cds when the reminders come up on screen

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I know thats kinda like

lament brook
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yeah

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do it

hollow bridge
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fully turn brain off

lament brook
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thats what i do

hollow bridge
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but in prog

lament brook
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i just copy someone smarter than me

hollow bridge
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😄

lament brook
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still can r1 with copying as well

hollow bridge
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Hmm seems I need to re-sub and get liquid reminders back haha

lament brook
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just proc better and crit harder

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you dont even need liquid reminders

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its just mrt note

hollow bridge
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I used to use it for Princess and Brood prog when I was healing

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and it was amazing

lament brook
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and this

hollow bridge
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wasnt sure if u could no brain the cds

lament brook
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as long as you are pressing buttons

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cdr generally aligns between people

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there's some minor variance when you have to full send really tight cds on araz

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but you kinda start getting a feel for what that variance is

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and if its going to fuck you or not

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with sub you kinda just

learn the muscle memory of how to do your flag burst

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once youve learnt that youre pretty set

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because your dance is always the same

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dance -> backstab -> symbols +sectech -> ss and evis spam

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and then again you'll find cooldowns come up at the same time

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so just afk between cooldowns

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accept the downtime

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sub is a downtime spec

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where you can take your hands off the keyboard

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give them a stretch

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rotate your wrists

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and get ready for the next burst

hollow bridge
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Im a bad human

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./castsequence reset=25 Shadowstrike, Flagellation, Rupture, Tempered Potion, Symbols of Death, Shadow Dance, Backstab, Shadow Blades, 13, Secret Technique

lament brook
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@stiff crow

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ONE MACRO A DAY

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yes please dont use a cast sequence macro

hollow bridge
lament brook
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thats fine

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it kinda doesnt matter

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as long as sectech is your first or 2nd finisher

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to consume the supercharged point

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oh wait no

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you should be backstabbing

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not shadowstriking

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as first generator

hollow bridge
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to buff the following ss ?

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from dance macbre?

lament brook
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yeah

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well to buff your entire dance

hollow bridge
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hmm

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I have bs bound to "d" as when you go into dance is opens stealth bar

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im gonna have to re-learn some muscle memory

hollow bridge
lament brook
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just set comfier binds

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you can do it

robust peak
hollow bridge
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hmm. yeah i guess
I use the same binds on every character so I always know where the "big cds" "defensives" "movement" etc is

So I have R, Shift R, T, Shift T has my big CDs

But then my finishes are Shift 1/2/3/4

Maybe Sectech needs to not be shift 4 🤦‍♂️

lament brook
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yeah dont put sectech on shift 4

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i say that as an idiot who bound flag to Shift V and sectech as V

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there may have been some accidental sectechs into flag

hollow bridge
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hahaha

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I mean I use shift modifer on mouse, but i suppose it doesnt never happen where I press shift 1 for evis, but i dont press shift and i get a second SS

lament brook
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are you a qwe gamer?

hollow bridge
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indeed

lament brook
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A is kinda a free bind thats wasted on evasion

hollow bridge
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i tried using ad

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but league habbits

lament brook
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yeah thats fair

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consider also zxc

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` is also a free bind that doesnt need to be a mount

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i think youre the only person other than me who uses function keys for binds

stiff crow
hollow bridge
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oh hello

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i tried to beat the system

stiff crow
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don't mind me, I was just checking out the oh so NOT forbidden ping

hollow bridge
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im sure it was worth

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dont think youve ever seen someone do this before

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maybe its world first, who knows

lament brook
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nah

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its a joke

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from this guy

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his one is bigger than yours

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please do not copy it

hollow bridge
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hahahaha

stiff crow
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Please, do not copy it

lament brook
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the only cast sequence macro you should use is

hollow bridge
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ive found my god

stiff crow
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the song though, definitely make one of those songs for yourself

lament brook
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#showtooltip Symbols of Death
/castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null
/cqs

hollow bridge
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literally you when you see that video

hollow bridge
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I was using one for SS/BS but I removed that one. Think its from shadowlands as it still had gloomblade in it too

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I have a macro for SB and trinket...even tho my trinket is shit

lament brook
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thats fine

hollow bridge
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Is there anyone you'd recommend as a good example in the logs to follow. Or at least to take the lorrgs information from

lament brook
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lorrgs is a good starting point

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just pick one one that makes sense

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and check what they cast when

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anything is better than what youve done

hollow bridge
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oki

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gonna try and set it up in mrt with the wa u linked

lament brook
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just maybe dont always go for the top log

hollow bridge
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see how it goes

lament brook
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look for something that will match kill timers

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so araz for example

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if you are progging and youre not skipping intermission 2

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you should pick a log that has a 7min kill

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rather than the 5.5 minute kill logs

hollow bridge
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ye

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makes sense

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do you just set it as a personal note?

lament brook
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yeah set as personal note

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so it doesnt override whatever your RL sends

hollow bridge
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Cool and it'll just auto select that note depending on what boss ive set it as

lament brook
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👍

hollow bridge
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Appreciate the help mate

lament brook
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no wokkas

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gl with it

hollow bridge
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@lament brook not going great , still waiting on this trinket 😄

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robust peak
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if you want to free yourself from eco, champion pvp trinket is easily gotten in like 2hrs and is only marginally worse than heroic lily

lament brook
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Yeah i ran with the pvp trinket for a while