#s7702 - Log Review
rustic plank
rugged imp
I started learning outlaw as my split alt 2-3 weeks ago and would appreciate any pointers as to how to improve, my logs are not great right now
I noticed the biggest difference aside from poor AR uptime compared to top logs was the lack of BF damage but i'm not sure why, also BF casts seem lower on top logs yet BF contributes 4-5x my BF damage for them
I played FB on sprocket and my damage was also quite bad, just looking for any way to improve for next alt run
bitter agate
in raid if you maintain adrenaline rush u dont really have to cast blade flurry again
it is just active the whole time
rugged imp
ah okay that makes sense
swapping targets when BF is active is kind of pointless right?
bitter agate
ya you dont swap much
i dont know mythic bandit tho
prob watch zac vod cause the fight is a bit weird
one thing i see is im not really following how you use roll the bones
but also following RTB usage with this build is hard to do from logs
rugged imp
ah I see, yeah i'll watch through his raid vod and see what he does
for RTB i've just been trying to follow the rules in the guide but i'm probably not getting it right all of the time
bitter agate
do u use the weakaura with the borders
rugged imp
I do yeah i'm using zacs UI
bitter agate
i think you keep using KIR at 3 buffs when it should be four
ah you have some vanish casts without adrenaline rush active
that will def make you unable to sustain AR
rugged imp
ah okay is that very bad? my thinking was after i dropped AR and had like 1:30 cd on it i wanted to use vanish to try and drop its cd with BTE
rugged imp
i think you keep using KIR at 3 buffs when it should be four
ty i'll fix that
gaunt solstice
Idk how reliable it is but you have quite low amount of casts and wowanalyzer points that you have a rather low melee uptime, that will fuck your AR quite a lot if you are not getting uptime
bitter agate
yea if you vanish without AR, you cant get 8 stealth globals, and your next AR wont have that vanish
rugged imp
yea if you vanish without AR, you cant get 8 stealth globals, and your next AR w...
so even if i drop AR and have 1-2m on its CD its a bad idea to vanish outside of AR at any time at all then right?
rugged imp
Idk how reliable it is but you have quite low amount of casts and wowanalyzer po...
ty i'll work on staying in melee i definitely wasn't in range as much as i could have been
bitter agate
ya dont vanish outside of AR
jagged glacier
so even if i drop AR and have 1-2m on its CD its a bad idea to vanish outside of...
its a loop so by spending and building more efficiently you should almost never have this happen. I see quite a few vanishes -> builder sequences as well which is a nono, it should be vanish and bte off the bat immediately
- you can do this only if AR is imminently about to expire
bitter agate
if kobalt is right then that's probably biggest deal. outlaw doesnt deal damage through cds, every global matters for cooldown reduction
So missing globals is worse than most rotation mistakes
rugged imp
its a loop so by spending and building more efficiently you should almost never ...
vanishing into a builder sequence would just mean i'm vanishing with low CP when i should be paying more attention to the CP i'm at in order to have my first global in vanish be BTE right?
and if AR is about to expire i'm using that last global for building?
bitter agate
yep. the only time you vanish at low CP is if adrenaline will expire immediately in the next global
so if you must vanish to preserve AR
rugged imp
alright that makes a lot of sense, i'll work on doing that thanks guys
jagged glacier
outlaw is one of the specs that benefits the most just from hitting dummies. obvs once you add mythic mechanics shit gets blown up but its very clear to feel when something is off.
bitter agate
This kir 1fth build is also quite punishing
i cant really check if you are doing the pistol shot rules right
while the HO build just slams pistol shot procs whenever ambush is not available
rugged imp
I was trying to only use pistol shot when i had 1 cp
bitter agate
You use pistol shot procs when they wont overcap cps, or if you hit 6 stacks
jagged glacier
oh damn didnt even realize people played 1fth in raid
bitter agate
with 1 point in fan the hammer like this build
pistol shot procs give 3cp without broadside active and 5cp with broadside active
bitter agate
oh damn didnt even realize people played 1fth in raid
idk i guess it's popular on bandit
bitter agate
with 1 point in fan the hammer like this build
pistol shot procs give 3cp witho...
so without broadside active, you use pistol shots at 4cp or lower
with broadside active, you use pistol shots at 2cp or lower
rugged imp
i did try playing FB on sprocket which is supposed to be pretty easy but my damage was poor there too
rugged imp
the HO build
alright i'll try that next raid then
bitter agate
it should be very similar to KIR's output
the RTB rule is very simple- press immediately when you have 3 or less buffs (so you do roll a lot)
the builder priority is very simple- ambush (if available) > pistol shot proc (if available) > ss
so in stealth you are mostly pressing ambush bte ambush bte
rugged imp
i'll try that out today tyvm i should be able to make some good improvements with the things you guys have helped me with here
bitter agate
the HO build also doesnt need strictly 19% haste
its more flexible with it
tends to like 14-18% or so depends on sim
rugged imp
would it be best to resim my gear for HO? currently i've got everything optimised for KIR
bitter agate
you could but it will probably be similar