#dirtymight - Log Review

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modern echoBOT
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Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

autumn chasm
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Would love some pointers if possible.
I know I am pretty dogshit as outlaw but besides many rotational errors I am missing something bigger here
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AjdX7vwLFmGtMC12?fight=last&type=damage-done
its just a random low key for testing the spec
I am doing 1,6m dps less than as assa and I feel like even rotational errors should not be this big a gap
using the RtB weakaura to manage rolling and atleast somewhat trying to follow the rotation ^^
if there are some major fuckups i am missing would love to know them ^^

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Damage Done - Last Pull - Report: Liberation of Undermine
empty dagger
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  1. I strongly consider playing the Hidden Opportunity Trickster build (HO) instead of KIR. Walking into KIR without experience with Outlaw is just going to be bad time. The HO build should perform better anyway

  2. your roll the bones weakaura seems wrong and/or lying to you. I can't see the cooldown of roll the bones from logs, but i think I see you sitting on 2 buffs when you are supposed to roll them away asap.

Because of the tier set + sleight of hand talent, you have a 65% chance to get 2 buffs and an 18% chance to get 5 buffs from rolling. So you always roll over any 2 buffs because chances are you will just get 2 buffs again, or more.

This KIR build has some a set of rules related to pressing RTB after KIR which I don't think your weakaura is capturing correctly. They are in the #outlaw-faq (advnaced part) if you want to stay playing KIR.

The HO build has a very simple Roll the bones logic, which is generally roll on cooldown unless you get 5 buffs.

  1. you are way overcapping/misusing the Pistol Shot procs (opportunity). there are hundreds of times you are pressing sinister strike when you should have used the pistol shot proc

for the KIR build, the pistol shot proc is used as a higher priority than sinister strike if you are at 3 CPs or lower. But, if broadsides Broadside from RTB is active, you only use them at 1 CP unless you hit max stacks (6).

the other HO build simply consumes pistol shot procs any time Ambush is not available, because for that build pistol shot is used to proc ambush casts (audacity talent)

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you say your results are more than just rotation errors, this is probably true but it's not really possible to detect non-rotation stuff from logs

Ultimately you had ~60% adrenaline rush uptime when it should be >90%, outlaw feels completely useless without AR active and its the culmination of everything about the rotation to keep it active

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also I should probably say Mastery is like 1/4th - 1/2th the value of Vers

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So playing outlaw with sin gear is gonna hurt a bit

autumn chasm
# empty dagger 1. I strongly consider playing the Hidden Opportunity Trickster build (HO) inste...

thanks already! 🙂
to answer your points

  1. is it really? i always had the impression if you use a weakaura for roll logic KiR is way simpler than learning the ping pong stuff with Ho and ambush/pistol shot)

  2. i downloaded one today that atleast said its updated (in weakaura called muropakettis roll the bones) i may have skipped 1-3 globals before rolling when the WA told me to but besides that i followed the WA

  3. that one i know. its a pretty spammy spec with lots of new things to keep track of so pistol shot stacks are easily missed for me atm ^^

okay so this is something i can work with then if the AR uptime is this dogshit i need to fix the things that make it higher uptime ^^

yeah i know. i had like 4 gear pieces with haste to fulfill the haste req said in the guide, my other gear is full crit/very + mastery since i am a sin main. so gear is for sure not that great for outlaw

empty dagger
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  1. HO should be way easier, the builder usage is so simple, it's literally just a priority of ambush > pistol shot procs > ss. It's also less punishing if you press the wrong gcd

  2. I don't specifically test if any weakaura is following KIR correctly, every time I see someone claiming to use one it looks wrong so. I would not be putting my faith in it

autumn chasm
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Hmm I should give the HO build another shot then and see if thats easier

But if the Roll logic is that easy for HO builds I dont need a weakaura for it anyways ^^

empty dagger
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for HO you just need to watch the cooldown to not delay rolling, even during subterfuge you are often going to roll

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cuz gaining Supercharger asap is still a lot of value to not delay

autumn chasm
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Thats good to know
are the vanish windows for BtE still as important as for the KiR builds?

Its sadly one of my biggest issues needing to play around vanish n stuff as an outlaw 😄

empty dagger
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Yes most of your damage is from frequent vanish windows, and its how adrenaline rush stays active

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for Trickster you try to hold vanish if killing spree is up within ~20s though not if you will lose AR/cap on charges

autumn chasm
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when are you supposed to exactly use killing spree here? just off cd or at specific times in the rotation?

empty dagger
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its on cooldown, higher priority than using vanish, but not during stealth windows

autumn chasm
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thats good to know
so besides gearing which is hard to fix atm its mainly about learning to play the gameplayloop of HO in general and really focussing on the BtE vanish stuff for the damage and AR uptime

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just 1 thing i know that SS will turn into ambush with the proc
however during subjerfuge you can simply press the regular ambush
I dont have stealth bars
is there a macro out there that simply put them into one button? (so that it presses ambush while in subterfuge and SS if subterfuge is not up)

empty dagger
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/cast [bonusbar:1, known: Hidden Opportunity] Ambush; Sinister Strike