Eldarin? More like Eldraine (this is a terrible reference)

[thick egret]

Hi

More condensed

Will get here in a bit as well

[jade mango]

cool, ty

[faint terrace]

to not pollute the main channel i guess i'll answer here

1. 0:45 thingy

• that was not the phase blade, you're standing behind the boss at that time and casting mut, mut, waiting 4-5s and then envenom, if that's something that hekli is telling you to do, throw it into the bin

2. tea

• yeah you don't have to manually press it anymore cause it triggers when you go below 30 energy, but we still send it with shiv for both energy gain while in cds and a little bit of mastery from it, there's a macro for it if you type !shiv in the assassination channel

3. pooling

• it is not needed, you obviously can but that's a matter of gameplay, the idea behind pooling is to not drop envenom buff but on most of the fights you won't drop it even if you're not pooling, you can full send at all times and be fine, that's what i do (it is different with with m+ build i suppose cause you're energy starved on st then, so works better in there, with raid build i don't bother)

i've only looked at sikran btw cause i think that's a good indicator of how you're performing on st even though you've been targeted with blades

[jade mango]

2. gotcha, fair enough. yeah hekili tells me to not cast anything sometimes, and always when the next ability up is Envenom, which I've just interpreted as pooling. but to the bin it shall go. my assumption was that Hekili was using the raidbots APL, but I have no idea if that's true for sin, or even if it is, if it translates well in-game. i find the addon helpful when learning new specs, but i guess it may be more of a detriment here.
3. perfect, i'll find the macro
4. great, i really hate standing around auto-attacking.

[faint terrace]

i've only heard about hekili, never used it myself, and the things i've heard were never good
my best suggestion if you're trying to get better with rotation on any spec is to sim target dummy and try to replicate it in game, sit on that dummy for an hour or two with a stopwatch set to 5 min, see if you can replicate what the sim shows you

even if the numbers are off, cause obv it's a sim, you can compare if you have a proper amount of casts and the dmg % from certain abilities and the whole dmg profile breakdown is correct

[thick egret]

Still haven’t reviewed log btw but anecdotally hekili was never great because it didn’t have good implementation. That was improved this tier

It’s by no means perfect but if it helps with your rotation, it’s fine

[faint terrace]

i see, maybe i'm prejudiced from what i've heard and i suppose starting to pool a bit just before 1min kb does makes sense

[thick egret]

I was as well, and I’m a former green name (hey ladies) but the gentleman who did it this tier corrected me and I reviewed it.
It’s not perfect but for those learning it’s a valid tool.

[jade mango]

yeah my experience with it has always been that it's decent at keeping you on schedule, but it cant know/react/predict everything and you have to know why it's telling you what it's telling you, so that you know if it's wrong, too early, too late, fight/phase timers, etc.

And yeah, messing with sims yesterday was telling me ~1.1M on 5-min patchwerk iirc. On the dummy over 4 minutes (using CD timers as rough "stopwatches") i held ~950k. So, I guess that's pretty close given that the sim had an extra CD window. I should use the actual in-game stopwatch like you said and do a full 5 minutes myself and see if I can get closer. If I can, it may just be a matter of me simply needing more practice and familiarity so that I can replicate what's done on the dummy, to an actual fight.

[thick egret]

When you do a 5m patchwerk mare you doing all buffs still?

Because like

You have 0 buffs on dummies

Yo quick q on the sikran log

17-22 seconds

You’re doing nothing

Why’s that

[jade mango]

I think that's the phase blade run out I got? looks like it lines up on log

and true, I need to double check buffs on sims and make sure i'm apples-to-apples

[thick egret]

Even then 5s is a long time. Shadowstep that

You missed your vanish and the end of your kb dm on sikran

[jade mango]

there's a few other gaps too just before the 1m mark where i'm probably waiting bc hekili is telling me to. that, or im out of energy. which does happen from time to time, but likely because im doing something wrong i assume.

[slate maple]

For the record, it does use the raidbots APL, and it works pretty well in-game. Source: I am one of the devs and personally did all the work to re-do assassination this tier

The only issue people ever bring to us about assassination specifically is the shiv and kingsbane thing. But that's literally because the sims and the guide do something different, and we follow the sims.

So just as a point of reference, This is my rogue alt I use for testing. I did more DPS than you while following the addon blindly and a lower item level, longer kill time.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gRbx9AzrtQM7a4G8?fight=6&type=damage-done

[jade mango]

gotcha, appreciate the input. am i correct that when it is sitting on Envenom and counting down that it's telling me to pool?

[slate maple]

Most likely

oh to be fair in that I was using fatebound, so not the same tree

For raid stuff, especially single target, the addon handles the APL very well. dynamic scenarios like m+ are a different story. But just looking at this fight, I had about 58 casts per minute to your 46, not sure why. Again, me following the addon as well, of course.

Maybe an uptime issue? 1.86 melee swings per second vs 1.38, haste not that different. If you're not on the boss, you aren't casting

[jade mango]

nice, i'll still compare where I can. I have another log here where I did similar damage to you there on Mythic Sikran last week
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bKHZNkdR2DnmtQYP?fight=35&type=damage-done
(and my Circlet gems in that log are the healing ones, my guild is trying that cheese strat and it's technically working).
it looks like consistency and practice/not letting mistakes snowball might be my biggest issues.

[slate maple]

you also missed waaaay more melee swings. Hit the dude in the back not the face

[jade mango]

maybe so, iirc i got phase blades twice, but I'm also used to playing Ret which is more forgiving on being out of strict melee range, so I may have an issue there

ahh, didnt realize i was out of position too

[slate maple]

We both had phaseblades once on the log I was comparing

But yeah, if the addon is comfy for you I wouldn't worry about it

Sounds like a practice / fight comfort/knowledge thing

[jade mango]

cool, thx again. we'll do mythic tonight so I'll see about fixing these issues

[thick egret]

Also syrif was the lad I spoke to previously so big vouch, hekili has a bad rep but once implemented is a great tool to get players to learn. So I really wouldn’t sweat it

[slate maple]

the 1 actual downfall is we still need a better way to track asynchronous stacks of envenom, but that's pretty minor in the grand scheme of things lol

[jade mango]

I do notice the sim is telling me to shiv at a different time. can you tell me what this difference is?

[slate maple]

It's just the timing of shiv vs kingsbane