Symbobot log review

[astral depot]

Will be in a bit - driving

[sage gulch]

Ill take a peek

[strange echo]

Thanks you! Im missing dmg and not sure where

[sage gulch]

Ill is much smarter

But ill take a peak

[frigid glen]

Ill

[sage gulch]

Oh, your caustic spatter seems very low

[frigid glen]

Lmao

[sage gulch]

At least on first glance

[frigid glen]

@astral depot

[sage gulch]

i could be wrong thought

YOU PINGED THE WRONG PERSON YOU FOOL

[frigid glen]

At least I didn't call him Ill

[strange echo]

ye, im seeing thats not the usual thing

usually got it first on dmg

[frigid glen]

Gonna start doing that now though

[sage gulch]

That's what i call him you animal

Well

Normally my logs show Castic being 1

Caustic i mean

[strange echo]

Yes, it have to be

usually its mine too

prob a little bit tilted made me play like a dumb

its a copy of grimba 13 depleted

with caustic as first

so not sure what i did on that mist

[frigid glen]

Just didn't Mutilate a Ruptured target, that's all

[sage gulch]

Yea
I know that sounds like a "Just do this" response

[frigid glen]

Uptime on Spatter was a bit on the lower side, but not super terrible

[sage gulch]

but that's what happens

sometimes you just miss Mutilates and forget about it

[frigid glen]

Just a few packs that you missed out on

But those stack up

[strange echo]

But thats not enoguht to lose that dmg no?

You said you were doing like 2M as 620

im 12ilvl ahead

[frigid glen]

Yeah but I'm not a fair comparison honestly

[strange echo]

I know

But it means that there are things im doing pretty wrong

[frigid glen]

I've played this spec at a very high level and as a massive tryhard for 5+ years

Yeah maybe

Mythic+ logs are just very, very hard to pin down mistakes on

Unless it's something obvious

We don't know how big the packs are, how the pulls looked like, what happened during the pulls, how the tank moved and so on

[strange echo]

that mist was a pretty bad example of packs move on the lab

[frigid glen]

We don't know how other people used their cooldowns on which packs and how big those packs were and so on, unless we specifically go look for it

[strange echo]

But i was thinking more about self-improve

Got it

[frigid glen]

Would rather need a recording or something else

[lucid pier]

I feel like if you follow the basics you should be pretty set

[strange echo]

My point is about it doesnt really amtter about tank, im never doing an overall top

Last time i saw i was pre-setting Kb cds wrong

Looks like there is nothjing really wrong then

Im also seeing some videos to try to use cds in similar spots

but packs are not the same on 15s that 12s

[frigid glen]

That's not exactly true

I just said that it's hard to pinpoint in a log

Like you could be sending cds on a single mob all this time

And only hit 1 target

And we wouldn't know

[strange echo]

Ah

You mean about cds use

[frigid glen]

No

I gave many examples earlier already

There's a bunch of things that we simply cannot know just from logs

You need a recording

[strange echo]

Okey, will try to do that then

[frigid glen]

Logs are great for reviewing mistakes done in a raid because it's mainly single target encounters with occasional adds

And everyone in the raid is hitting the boss

It's a long, drawn out fight

There is no pulling or setting up packs or anything

[strange echo]

got it

[lucid pier]

what's ur rotation on any given pack?

[strange echo]

Steal -> ambush -> Garrote -> Rupture x2 -> Garrote x1/2 -> CrimsonTempest -> Fan -> Mutilate

If there is 3 mobs jsut 1 ruputre

and no more garrotes

And after that mutilate i do cds if i got or rotation

fan .> envenom

[lucid pier]

ok so, that would be kinda ok in the first pull

then you have to carry ur mark all the way trhu the dungeon

so no more ambush

[strange echo]

And well packs on grimba with a lot of cast i try to expand more garrotes

[lucid pier]

after first pull, and depending on combopoints you carry from one pull to another

[frigid glen]

There are a few very obvious mistakes

[strange echo]

Oh didnt know that, thought had to re-ambush

[frigid glen]

What is the issue with these pictures?

Let's do an analysis

[lucid pier]

uhhhh

[strange echo]

Ye, wrong sue of vanish

[lucid pier]

easy to spot yeah

[strange echo]

before Death

[lucid pier]

nah

[frigid glen]

No

[strange echo]

Im so passive with vanish?

[frigid glen]

Well

The issue is that you don't press your cooldowns on cooldown

You keep missing out on cooldown uses because you sit on the for so long all the time

[lucid pier]

yeah you just do KB+DM every time

[frigid glen]

Like Mists is a dungeon where you have to sit on cooldowns potentially once

And that's only before the first boss

[lucid pier]

U are using KB on a 2 mn CD

[frigid glen]

You want to make sure to have cds for the amp phase

Other than that, you should be using Deathmark, Vanish and Kingsbane on cooldown

All the time

No thinking, just sending

If you open on a pack and you have KB ready

You press KB

Also, you use Vanish incorrectly

You should be vanishing for the Kingsbane window

[strange echo]

ye, im a little bit "afraid" about usign vanish and getting without re-stealth in a chain pull

[frigid glen]

Like in the beginning, you open up on a pack at 22s, you use Kingsbane at 32s so Subterfuge/MA ends at 34s

You should be using Vanish immediately after that so you have Vanish for the entire Kingbsane window

[strange echo]

Ah

[frigid glen]

MA lasts 12s with Subterfuge

KB is 14s

[strange echo]

Okey, im missing that hard then

Thought vanish was to pre-set kb

[frigid glen]

With DM/KB windows, you always want 12s of MA during the KB

[frigid glen]

Huh?

But you don't even do that

[strange echo]

Well i came from stealh no?

[frigid glen]

Exactly

[strange echo]

Maybe its super noob questions here, sorry abouyt that

[frigid glen]

But yeah you don't use Vanish later on much at all

Like the KB event list should say

[strange echo]

So the point is to use vanish on dmg window

not pre-dmg window

[frigid glen]

0:22 KB
1:22 KB
2:22 KB
3:22 KB
4:22 KB
5:22 KB

But you are already missing out on casts after the first minute

Like 1min and 3rd min you're missing out on 2 casts of KB already

[lucid pier]

The point is to have MA buff (20 more crit) during DM

[strange echo]

cause we pulled first the 4º guys before 2 big adds before boss

so if i used kb wasnt able to use deathmark

on time

[frigid glen]

So, you used 12 Kingsbane

[strange echo]

That was my thoughts i mean

[frigid glen]

Instead of 17

[strange echo]

Not saying im doing it good

[frigid glen]

And how long does that pull take?

[strange echo]

more than thought

caujse they didnt chained

so we had like 15 secs with 2 adds

[frigid glen]

It took your group 1.5minutes

So you could have cast Kingsbane twice in that pull

But you cast it 0 times

The rule here is simple

Less thinking, more sending

[strange echo]

Perfect

[frigid glen]

Don't go "Ah we have boss next pull, maybe I'll save"

NO

You send

[lucid pier]

Try to send more often. My friends have the same problem, they salways save CD's for "more important times"

[frigid glen]

Especially Kingsbane

It's a 1 min cooldown

[lucid pier]

yeah yeah

[strange echo]

Ye, and thinking on the boss there is lack of cds cause i had to res the guy

[frigid glen]

And most packs in Mythic+ last a long time especially in like +12's or whatever

[strange echo]

so lose all first windonw dmg

[frigid glen]

And in Mists, there's like a 10s RP in the beginning of the boss fight

[strange echo]

Okey, so i need to be more aggresive with cds

[frigid glen]

So you cannot even attack the boss

[strange echo]

And start using vanish

Okey, gotcha

[lucid pier]

Also you don't send CD's until amp phase

usually

[frigid glen]

The's are the main issues:

1. Use cooldowns ON COOLDOWN.
2. Use Vanish for MA with Kingsbane ON COOLDOWN
3. Use Deathmark ON COOLDOWN
4. Use Kingsbane ON COOLDOWN

The next dungeon that you do

I want you to send me a log of it here

And I want to see Kingsbane on literally cooldown 24/7

[strange echo]

I will try to record it too

[frigid glen]

I want to see the event page and in a 25 minute dungeon

I want to see at least 23 Kingsbane's

Your damage will skyrocket heavily if you start sending more aggressively

[lucid pier]

for sure

[crude plume]

This log review hella good

I was spying

[strange echo]

Nice, will try for sure

really thanks guys

Im stucked right now with dmg so really thanks

[turbid violet]

Biggest dps loss in keys:

1. dying
2. Holding cds

[frigid glen]

It's true.

Gl champ

[strange echo]

I guess if i record my self its about upload it to youtube or smg right?

[frigid glen]

ye

A lot of people stream their keys and that leaves a VOD in their Twitch channel

But I think you need to be affiliated or something for that

Youtube/Drive is fine

[lucid pier]

Try to have an "ability timeline" addon or WA so it's easier to spot which skills you are using

[rigid siren]

Just had this discussion with someone in a log review in the Warrior discord. He was a Fury Warrior who literally doubled his DPS in keys by just pressing his buttons as soon as they came up, like I told him to. This is legit the best advice ❤️

[sage gulch]

Kb not ever min hurts

[strange echo]

Have a good and a bad new, the good one, with the vanish into KB my dmg is considerable higher

About bad thing, i have record a black screen for like 1-2hours

So, my dmg is better but im still stupid enought to work on it

thanks for the advices guys

[frigid glen]

Vanish into KB?

[astral depot]

[strange echo]

The order is Kb-> vanish

to extend the crit buff i mean, for the burst window