King Baldwin more like Horny for the Review amiright? | Ravenholdt | Page 1

dawn hamlet Oct 30, 2024, 9:30 PM

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Ye this’ll be a bit away anyway

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Not near a comp for another 6 or so hours to review

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Oh nvm

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@stable cave @pastel dagger

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zy6AJQHY9c7MtabW#fight=5&type=summary

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If varas reviews you gotta pay his ass I s2g

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 9:33 PM

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ill do it in 25 minutes gonna watch an anime episode i swear to god

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one of my boyfriends is impatient...

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:34 PM

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I wish my 12 COT saved

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Becusse that dungeon I messed up my rotation a few times and was tilted

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However my COT was a lot cleaner with 0 deaths so wish I could grab it

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 9:36 PM

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its ok you messed up here too

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idk how important this random kindey is

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at the very start

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then you started envenoming before getting spatter

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youre literally not using cds

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:37 PM

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Yea I installed a new addon so I know when I don’t have caustic up

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When was this?

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At the start?

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 9:38 PM

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at the very start

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:38 PM

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What

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I always apply bleeds then do cooldowns

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Then chain envenomz

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Wierd

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Or maybe I went durpy

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 9:39 PM

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This is unrelated to your logs or anything but if you really want to learn and improve then imo the best way to do that is record your gameplay and rewatch it, and it's a lot easier to see whether things like that kidney are necessary, and it is a lot easier to spot your mistakes (like not having mark / caustic on a target your hitting etc) when you're slowly watching the gameplay back rather than just trying to think of it in the moment

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:40 PM

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Yes very true thank you

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The new ui I got does show me when caustic isn’t up

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Wish I could of shown that COT 12

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I felt I played that so well

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 9:40 PM

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you didn't have that in this key?

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:41 PM

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I think so but I think I was just tilted that key

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Played shit

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And wasn’t looking

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 9:41 PM

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because yeah that's quite important, you go 20s without a mut from 1:20-1:40 and you use CDs during that, so none of that is spattering

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:41 PM

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Yea that’s very bad

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 9:42 PM

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also you don't need to open with ambush when you have Darkest Night buff active

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:42 PM

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Thanks for pointing out

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I thought you always start with ambush?

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No matter what

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Becuase im not using visions venoms

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 9:43 PM

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if you have darkest night buff then your next max combo point envenom will apply mark, and you can't take mark stacks off the target while you have darkest night buff up (this is a bug)

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:44 PM

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So when you have darkest night buff, you can just garrote and rupture?

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Then send CDs

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Does darkest night buff get given when you kill the target?

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 9:45 PM

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when your target with mark on it dies you get darkest night buff, or when you remove 3 stacks of the mark

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:45 PM

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Ahh right so like for the next pack I can just bleed straight away

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And then send my cds

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I’m such a fucking noob

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 9:46 PM

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when you're running 1 charge of shiv you should shiv the second half of kingsbane rather than the first half I think

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:46 PM

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That’s also what I get confused at, how long does kingsbane last, 8 seconds right?

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 9:46 PM

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in general you seem to be holding CDs a bit too much, there's 2.5 minutes without casting a Kingsbane between 1:30 and 3:55

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14 seconds

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:47 PM

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Yea I do tend to hold sometimes

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Do you guys run 2 shivz?

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 9:47 PM

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nope

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noone does!

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:47 PM

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I mean the guides have always said to shiv tea then kingsbane

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So I’ve always done that

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 9:47 PM

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yes for raid build

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 9:48 PM

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for raid you use shivs to cover the whole kingsbane timer, but you can't do that with only 1 charge

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and kingsbane ramps in damage so the second half is better to have the shiv debuff on

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:48 PM

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Ohhhh I see

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So I should wait like 8 seconds

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Then send shiv

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Why does shivz do that then

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He does his m+ rotation and sends at start

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 9:49 PM

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idk who shivz is man

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:49 PM

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Some YouTuber

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 9:49 PM

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some random youtuber

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who knows what hes doing

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:49 PM

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Yes hahaha

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He’s fucking giving me awful tips

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 9:50 PM

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yes basically all youtubers do

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they try to appeal to a very broad audience

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:51 PM

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So ambush > garrote > garrote > rupture > d mark > tea > kingsbane > mutilate > envenom > shiv?

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That’s roughly right, so just send like 1-2 envenom then send shiv

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 9:52 PM

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for ST? you would want envenom buff up before going into CDs

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 9:52 PM

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why the double garrote?

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 9:52 PM

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and for aoe you would want CT up

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:52 PM

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Sorry didn’t mean to double garrote

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Yes this ST

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This is purely single target

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Ah okay

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I see

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This is so helpful

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So before sending cds

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 9:53 PM

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you use shiv at 8 sec left on kb

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:53 PM

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Make sure to do 1 envenom?

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 9:53 PM

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yes you want envenom buff

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:53 PM

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Ahhhhh

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Oh my god this guys guide sucks then

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He’s not doing any of this

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He’s doing bleeds then CDS then spams envenomz

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And he shivz at the start

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At the start of kingsbane

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 9:54 PM

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these are your kingsbane casts, you need to try to press it on cooldown a bit more, just find a mob that won't die instantly and press it on it if it's in pack

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:55 PM

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Also can you cast death mark on any energy

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Or is it better to have like 150 energy before doing full cds

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Like after you finished your rotation and have your big cds back up

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 9:56 PM

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you will have more energy than you can possibly use during deathmark

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:56 PM

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Okay nice

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 9:58 PM

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HE

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IS

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DROPPING IRON WIRE

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NAH

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:58 PM

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Wdym hahah

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 9:58 PM

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siren

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 9:58 PM

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SUCK MY COCK RANDOM YOUTUBERS

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STOP WATCHING

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:58 PM

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Subterfuge build?

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 9:58 PM

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RANODOM

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FCUKING YOUTUBERS

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:58 PM

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Casual addict is running this

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 9:59 PM

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YOURE NOT CASUAL ADDICT

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:59 PM

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Rouge he’s using that build 🤣🤣🤣

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Hahhaa

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 9:59 PM

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dropping iron wire outside of an extremely organised group is very very very bad

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 9:59 PM

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BRO

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NAH

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stop with

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this

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shit

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:59 PM

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really? I thought I was doing more dops

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 9:59 PM

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yes

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its more dps

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 9:59 PM

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With the new build

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 9:59 PM

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who cares

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iron wire is the best point

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in the tree

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 9:59 PM

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you make every key so much easier when the mobs can't cast

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that's more damage than an actual damage talent

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 9:59 PM

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idk man

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 10:00 PM

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Yes I did think that too

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 10:00 PM

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dont go tell me casual addict does this

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or youtuber said this

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 10:00 PM

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But I really am enjoying new build

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But yes

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 10:00 PM

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yes

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 10:00 PM

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It’s dangerous

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 10:00 PM

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you play subterfuge

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but with iron wire

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do you even know what it does

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 10:00 PM

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Oh

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Iron wire, yes it silences

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When you garrote

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 10:00 PM

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and do you know that iron wire WITH subterfuge

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WORK TOGETHER

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even better

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 10:00 PM

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Oh

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Can you send

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The proper tree

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❤️

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 10:01 PM

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im getting so angry

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at this whole iron wire situation

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 10:01 PM

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IM SORRY

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 10:01 PM

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not cause of you

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 10:01 PM

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I’m just a NOOB

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 10:01 PM

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cause this fucking dog ass

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 10:01 PM

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hahaha

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 10:01 PM

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youtuber

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is telling people

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to drop iron wire

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 10:01 PM

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Yea and his rotation

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Isn’t anything

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That you guys have said

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 10:02 PM

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I think it's fine to look at high IO players and their talents but you need to actually think about why they are taking the things they are, and why they would possibly not be taking talents other people are

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if you're in a group that's capable of coordinating every kick / stop in the dungeon so that you don't die then dropping iron wire is technically a dps increase, but for pugging and uncoodinated groups it is just spiking the difficulty of your key for dps that only exists in the sim

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 10:05 PM

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Mm yes that’s very true, is it a big dps loss? if you could send the updated tree would be great

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Or what you guys run

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 10:06 PM

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ofc its a loss

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its a talent point

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but in my perspective its not a loss

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cause i never unspec it

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so i never had the dps

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 10:07 PM

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there are a lot of different builds people are playing that are very close in terms on dps, honestly you can just find one that you like the most, there isn't really a "correct" answer for which build is better at the moment I don't think

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 10:09 PM

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Honestly I’m just loving the new build I’m running but yea I do think it’s risky not running iron wire

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But with this new advice I should be seing more dps anyway

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 10:09 PM

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stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 10:09 PM

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Like I never knew about casting envenom before sending CDs

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 10:09 PM

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your dps gonna skyrocket if you fix easy things

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caustic

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uptime

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kb usage

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 10:10 PM

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Yes I need to make sure I stay in the target marked and caustic off him

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Sometimes I tend to switch targets and forget to apply caustic when im like interrupting

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 10:11 PM

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do you have colored plater

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 10:11 PM

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stable cave Sometimes I tend to switch targets and forget to apply caustic when im like inte...

you should get used to kicking through a focus macro or something so you don't have to swap target

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 10:11 PM

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for deathmarked/caustic target

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 10:12 PM

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Yes I have an addon it flashes if caustic isn’t on it

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 10:12 PM

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not what i mean

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 10:12 PM

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Then shows how many seconds left etc

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 10:12 PM

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he means on the actual nameplate

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 10:12 PM

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Coloured player to show casters and stuff

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 10:12 PM

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does it change colour if that target has spatter etc

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 10:12 PM

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Like purple for casters?

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Oh

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I don’t think so

pastel dagger Oct 30, 2024, 10:12 PM

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the color of the enemy's healthplate should change when it has mark/caustic

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it makes it way easier

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to swap back

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 10:13 PM

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Let me check on the dummy

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not sure why I have those annyoing times reyed

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greyed out

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as you can see when its not up its grey, and when I have it on a target it shows

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on top with the timer

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 10:19 PM

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can you screenshot with just your bleeds on the target and no caustic

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 10:20 PM

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with caustic and bleeds

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 10:24 PM

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oh okay it does actually change, why is it red in one picture and green in the other partyfish

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 10:25 PM

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not sure maybe just bugged

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sometimed

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do you guys have a kingsbane timer>

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like showing you how long you have left on it

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 10:33 PM

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yeah but it's not a bar or anything it's just a buff on my buff bar

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 10:33 PM

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I wanna get that

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how do I grab it

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 10:34 PM

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erm you could make something similar to your clear the witness tracker in the middle of your screen

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just change the spellid to Kingsbane and set it to be a debuff on your target rather than a buff on yourself

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 10:35 PM

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ah okay thank will try

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 10:36 PM

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stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 10:36 PM

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ohoh wait

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im dumb

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I do have it

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it shwos on my bad when I press ity

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and master assasin

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im so blind

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it even has a line

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when to use shiv

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im so blind haha

vestal oxide Oct 30, 2024, 10:38 PM

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NODDERS

stable cave Oct 30, 2024, 11:04 PM

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thanks again for the tips and help guys

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if I was a girl id show you my boobs but im not sorry

#King Baldwin more like Horny for the Review amiright?