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#🐼 Pandaria Remix Discussion
hard bramble
Yeah. I don't have a problem with it. It's just funny
past kindle
with the exact same problems and absurdities
hard bramble
Like this group is 100% fine. Dude is actually leading it
But it's always very funny to me and I admire the hustle
I think I like this technique more than warding
eternal pagoda
Which one
jagged flare
lots of dmg
hard bramble
Everyone runs Lifestorm + Searing light
Stack in a corner. Everyone is in lifestorm healing zones.
Searing light goes bonkers
eternal pagoda
But that's 476ilvl right? I'm pretty sure I can't do that in my 414
hard bramble
Yeah, huge group
but it's still obscene
we killed dakr shaman so hard their corpses got stuck in the roof
eternal pagoda
LOL
hard bramble
eternal pagoda
ez
hard bramble
Yeah, it was. Very time consuming but not hard at all. I think you could probably carry 5 - 6 people if everyone is 556. Maybe more.
quiet verge
my first normal siege run i did in the first days took way longer than the mythic run i did later
hard bramble
haha, yeah
hard bramble
At 388 equipped (415.2 in each gear slot), bosses are the same as before the hotfix.
At 406 equipped or above (444 in each gear slot), bosses have 20% more health and deal 20% more damage.``` 
spark spruce
huh
spark spruce
Well they did that last night
already
But which
why
ITS A FUCKING FUN MODE
AND YOU BALANCING IT MORE THAN YOUR TRYHARD MODE
hard bramble
lmao, yeah
hard bramble
It's so silly. Ultimately a lot of it doesn't matter but they're going in such a weird direction
spark spruce
So is it a hard cut
so you upgrade to the one before 444
and save up much more bronze to skip some lvls
hard bramble
Haha
spark spruce
growing... slowly...
Are you happy to see me or is this your cloak?
hard bramble
haha
hard bramble
Hell yeah
hard bramble
and opened a group called boost run
I'm 100% doing this for my daily normal runs when I get to the point I can hard carry
jagged flare
yes
spark spruce
Yes
jagged flare
super L situation
might make a video about it
even more to people that havent began the event yet
spark spruce
eternal pagoda
What are they actually thinking..
spark spruce
They are not thinking
eternal pagoda
about to start SoO HC with almost 30 pugs
wish me luck
Holy shit so many rogues
silk yacht
idk, heroic tot was still the same as it was the day before this buff for my group (only like 3 people geared and everyone else at or below 402)
hard bramble
Either the change is meaningless because ti doesn't impact anything. Or it does impact stuff and makes it harder. Either result is silly, imo.
silk yacht
it makes lower geared people survive a bit longer in these raids
which is good
the higher geared people dont really feel it as much, but if ur at that threshold sure, could be hard
the only hard boss in tot is dark animus anyways
"hard" ie everyone but a few die
silk yacht
the above 402 buff kinda weird, but shrug
nbd
the buf for lower geared people in raid is nice
they wont be out damaging geared players, but they also wont just drop dead to every boss
hard bramble
That's good
silk yacht
ye, our lower geared folks could live a lot longer than before this buff
hard bramble
That's a really good positive to it, then.
silk yacht
im maxed so i cant really test out the 20% damage/health buff to bosses
since 20% is still nothing
the bigger nerf is slay
10% is no longer death for bosses
which is whatever
spark spruce
im maxed so i cant really test out the 20% damage/health buff to bosses
Well did horridon ha e 2 billion
Or 2.2 billion
silk yacht
sure
still whatever of a fight
fight didnt feel like it took longer than before
mind u we dont do any of the cheese strats
we never did ward cheese
and we arent doing searing light lifebloom stuff
spark spruce
the bigger nerf is slay
You just ignore slay now
silk yacht
yes
hard bramble
I miss slay 😦
silk yacht
i know what im doing tira
spark spruce
I meant like General
hard bramble
Justice for slay
spark spruce
Not you
spark spruce
Especially like, for all other peeps dont use slay use fervor
hard bramble
Yeah, haha
silk yacht
dead tinker bc bdks have infinite shield
spark spruce
For it to actually matter
silk yacht
nah even with 2 shields, its still ass
dreamy skiff
Everyone runs Lifestorm + Searing light
That just sounds really fun since everyone has to coordinate for it to work
hard bramble
Hell yeah
dreamy skiff
The comments on the wowheas post are wild tho
You definitely gain more power per upgrade than the bosses
Bosses having 20% more hp is just like 5 seconds more realistically
quiet verge
btw you don't need corners for stacking lifestorms, any wall is enough
hard bramble
Yeah, it's exponenital rather than linear.
dreamy skiff
Corners just make it idiot proof
hard bramble
I think 500 -> the next tier is like a 7k gain on MoA? Whereas 422 to the next was 500 damage.
silk yacht
the ilvl numbers are linear the actual damage scaling is exponential
hard bramble
That's a better way to put it, yeah
silk yacht
its not a super obvious thing, but yea
hard bramble
Yeah, it's a more clear way to put what is going on, easier to grasp
hard bramble
lmao. I love the shitposting vibe a lot of pug groups in remix have
It's really positive
There's very little 'friction' in group content most of the time, so people are a lot chiller and more free to have fun. It's a good result.
silk yacht
theres A LOT of positivity for remix in game
not on reddit or wowhead tho
where people love to hate and not actually play
the only major toxicity points have been: the frog incident, and very minor ward or kick groups
in game
hard bramble
Yeah, absolutely. It's really refreshing to see. Lower stakes means people feel more free to yap and chat
silk yacht
also groups fill pretty fast
hard bramble
Whenever I see people complaining about not getting into a group, I just tell them to make their own. It's just so effortless to get going that way
hard bramble
Yeah
silk yacht
keeps content relevant during leveling
and makes end game content more endgame (heroic raids being 70 only)
im hoping they get rid of chromie time for dungeons in live
hard bramble
It's a very cool experiment. I still hope we might someday get a duty finder like 14, where they make a lot more content a thing but we'll see.
hard bramble
Yeah, big same.
silk yacht
raids as an alternative leveling method from dungeons would be cool too
lfr while leveling 
would be kinda fire
hard bramble
Ye, it'd be fascinating
hard bramble
yeah, it's so strong on bear
hard bramble
Ye, galakras and the RP
spark spruce
and im still missing Mogu/HoF/Terrace
You have to do it alone tdoay
dreamy skiff
narcissus goated for remix tho
muted cave
okay WOW survival hunter is shafted this season
been playing some survival because i found it a bit fun
now i found out that the s4 set is so trash in AOE, that s3 gear is BETTER than the s4 gear
despite lower ilvl
spark spruce
because of
muted cave
they CHOSE the set
spark spruce
Ok
Im sorry that blizzard lies
about their "we will tune"
like giving the choice
but dont give a fuck about set being badly tuned
is just bad
Its blizzards fault
like the DK situation
muted cave
each spec gets fucked after a season of me playing it
muted cave
Because in remix you dont have a set
How about fuck no
happy playing regular retail thanks
elder heath
Lmao Blizzard is so fucking stupid
hard bramble
Every single time.
"We nerfed this thing, now you can play the game properly"
"Wait why are you guys upside down now?"
eternal pagoda
xDDD
elder heath
Well it makes sense, why bother having them if it makes you weaker?
hard bramble
Yep!
https://imgur.com/wmPEGEY Never before has this image been so relevant as with Remix.
eternal pagoda
@past kindle check out the new metas xD
hard bramble
Huh, that'd be interesting.
past kindle
if you want to read up
official blog post
Reddit post on their subreddit
but from what i know, no addon support
eternal pagoda
(wow coming to gforce now)
I'm kinda stupid, but what does it mean for WoW to come to gforce?
past kindle
gforce now is a cloud gaming service
its basically like watching a stream
but you control the stream
so you can e.g. from your mobile phone
start wow and game from there
or the browser
or your xbox
or pc
so basically a server you can connect to that runs the game, and you can play it anywhere with internet access
eternal pagoda
Thats sounds legit awesome
But for me personally its whatever, can only use my pc for that
i don't know if i could play on my phone or PS4
past kindle
it is great for people with not geeat pc
because the service is cheap and even has a free tier
dreamy skiff
lol bruh people destroying their jewelry to "make the raid easier"
m8 you do 5 million dps and have 8 mil hp these raids are not a problem whatsoever
spark spruce
Ye
That one is out of spite odo
Just to Show Blizzard
That this is a shitty way
You Upgrade your gear
But Mobs scale with you
So you less gain upgrading it
Smart design
Why should i Upgrade at all
dreamy skiff
that sounds very very sarcastic
hard bramble
upgrade because: numbie go up.
dreamy skiff
when you get way stronger than the mobs ever did lol
floral glade
https://www.wowhead.com/news/369-cheese-deleting-jewelry-for-better-raid-scaling...
Deleting your gear to cheese the ilvl system.
Overpowered?
Maybe.
Fun?
Absolutely!
dreamy skiff
if it truly scaled with me completely regular mobs would have like 10 mil hp, rares would have 100mil
etc
spark spruce
when you get way stronger than the mobs ever did lol
Well you are stronger
with deleting it
you delete effectively 500 million hp
on sha of anger
dreamy skiff
so 1 person's searing light
spark spruce
Idk
hard bramble
Hey if Blizz respond by buffing it all to 556 then that's a net win lmao
dreamy skiff
they should just commit to the bit
u guys wanna play games
ok ur watermarked to ur ilvl
also
mobsd have 4x hp now
fuck u
hard bramble
hahaha
spark spruce
Hey if Blizz respond by buffing it all to 556 then that's a net win lmao
They will just bind it to your upgrade lvl
hard bramble
They will just bind it to your upgrade lvl
Yeah but mine is way funnier because imagine this: Level 10 with 5 556 items with legendary gems in them.
dreamy skiff
theyre not forcing us to play any way
hard bramble
SIX TRILLION VERSATILITY
spark spruce
Its still a shitty system
to make mobs harder in RAID
with higher ilvl
that defeats the purpose of upgrading your ilvl
for me
dreamy skiff
ppl are just mad bronze costs arent 5 bronze and cometics arent 10
spark spruce
?
Do you get what my issue is
im already done with everything in there
But thats again punishing people
hard bramble
Stuff being stronger because you upgraded (even if it's relative and minor strength but sitll makes it take longer) feels bad, esp in a mode where you gotta be blasting
and is meant to be about blasting
spark spruce
who didnt hayper play it before
dreamy skiff
how so isnt it exactly the same at the levels between and weaker if you're towards the lower end
if anything you're rewarded for not touching your gear
but yeah i mean i definitely get where ur coming from its quite dumb to be made to feel weaker for upgrading
they definitely needed to watermark your highest ilvl so you can't just delete jewels
dreamy skiff
i honestly don't even mind if the bosses last a bit longer because it's fun to be able to blast and ward was unfortunately only good for the "KEK" when he dies instantly
dreamy skiff
fk it keep it the same and give us m+ soo
for those who wanna flex and slam a hard boss
floral glade
SIX TRILLION VERSATILITY
Real gamers put it into swift opals
Can’t hit what you can’t see
hard bramble
lmao
floral glade
159% tertiary stat cap who?
dreamy skiff
I only lost about 10% vers taking out all my gems
past kindle
lol bruh people destroying their jewelry to "make the raid easier"
remix has to be the most hardcore race to try to find ways to break the game
eternal pagoda
TRUE
spark spruce
Its just a bad thign, to scale radibosses, with your ilvl
when you pay bronze for upgrades
like imagine
you upgrade your stuff on retail
and the mobs just get buffed with you
What incentive do i have to upgrade
past kindle
gearing on retail is very close to how it is on remix
just that you can get away with slightly worse gear and not get oneshot by most raid mechanics
eternal pagoda
Ill actually try mythic later today with 387 ilvl
floral glade
https://www.wowhead.com/news/20-health-buff-removed-from-heroic-raids-mop-remix-...
Bullying works
jagged flare
yea the oldie goldie scalie
silk yacht
its a "players found an exploit to circumvent the scaling we wanted to do, so lets just remove the scaling people are avoiding to reduce the player perceived necessity of doing taht exploit, which would take a lot longer to fix probably"
spark spruce
spark spruce
its a "players found an exploit to circumvent the scaling we wanted to do, so le...
Ye exactly
There was probsbly not an easy solution
And they just called it
dreamy skiff
which people are doing anyway because it makes it easier
silk yacht
they KNOW players will find an exploit. thats not the problem.
spark spruce
And accepzed defeat
silk yacht
the problem is theres just not a lot of resources for this mode
to test and ship shit
hard bramble
They nerfed Animus at least
dreamy skiff
did it need one?
silk yacht
yes
spark spruce
?
dreamy skiff
once you have gear you can just tank it
hard bramble
Yeah it did, it's smoothed it out a lot.
Acceleration Link now increases damage and attack speed by 100% (was 250%)
dreamy skiff
I literally just stood there and tanked thru the adds on hc
silk yacht
yea, but its not about fixing it for people with gear
its nerfing it for people without gear
all geared folks, non of this shit matters
dreamy skiff
so... buy the gear? im not really sure why it needs nerfs
hard bramble
Yeah. It's smoothing it out for everyone, not just the people like us who have tons.
silk yacht
because the difficulty curve for animus is huge compared to every other boss in the game
silk yacht
the biggest issue without cheesing it is the threat issue
dreamy skiff
i can agree w/ that one the threat is a big problem
silk yacht
sure people can just 1 man cheese it
hard bramble
And Animus isn't difficult, it's just arbitary.
dreamy skiff
cuz for some reason everything ignores the tanks
silk yacht
but u cant play the fight without cheesing it somewhat, which is good to try and fix
healing is still scuffed on threat
hard bramble
Yeah. It was also broken in general iirc? With the way tinkers hit the inactives and it being 13 instead fo 12 adds on 10-man etc, etc.
dreamy skiff
i mean, my ox statue generates more threat than me
for some reason
it literally pulls adds off me
silk yacht
teh fight just doesnt work with scaling, so making it less about everyone just dying is nice
hard bramble
It means more groups can clear ToT normal which means more people get their neck, which means more people get to do more stuff, etc, etc.
silk yacht
ye
hard bramble
The raids, esp on normal, should be a cakewalk comedyfest and Animus stood out as a big problem there.
jagged flare
meanwhile the people with 6 alts finished the event last week
silk yacht
ok
silk yacht
the event is lasting a while, changes to try and smooth difficulty without compromising on legitimate gains are gonna happen
dreamy skiff
i think they needed to compromise more on bronze gains/ upgrade costs more than nerfing the raids, only because the majority of the complaints from people seems to be that upgrading gear doesnt seem worthi t
(despite it definitely beign worthwhile)
silk yacht
there have been thinsg theyve had to focus on which slowed their response on other things
small team, not enough time to tackle every single issue at once
hard bramble
i think they needed to compromise more on bronze gains/ upgrade costs more than ...
I agree. It ultimately reaches the same point but in a better way.
silk yacht
theres other ways to handle upgrades than nuking costs
dreamy skiff
not really
hard bramble
Buffing bronze gain does it.
hard bramble
That to, yeah.
dreamy skiff
Buffing bronze gain does it.
also not really
silk yacht
direct bronze buffs helps
dreamy skiff
the biggest issue is bronze is for both upgrades and cosmetics
silk yacht
but providing direct upgrades via raiding is better
hard bramble
the biggest issue is bronze is for both upgrades and cosmetics
I concur. It should've been two currencies.
hard bramble
38530 for a full set of upgrades is enough to buy every class weapon set.
dreamy skiff
or a mount
jagged flare
one of the pricey ones too
dreamy skiff
ye
jagged flare
the cheapo ones are also only like 2k
silk yacht
shrug u can buy two expensive mounts from an alt at 70
or buy one a day doing every heroic raid
hard bramble
I think that buffing bronze gain. Adding alternative paths to upgrading gear (I.e, the final boss of normal drops a token, two on heroic, and so on) or nerfing upgrade costs, or having two currencies
jagged flare
and well those are the ones i would get the others i have them all
dreamy skiff
no i know that
hard bramble
They are all solutions to the same problem.
jagged flare
bar the huolon one
dreamy skiff
but for the people complaining
they have 2 minutes a day to play
theyre just gonna do 1 daily and get their mount
jagged flare
and 10 wives and 110 children
silk yacht
i prefer the giving free upgrade methods via raiding to be the better compromise
rather than nuking costs
hard bramble
Yeah, I think that would be good.
dreamy skiff
eh
hard bramble
My personal ideal way would be two currencies or straight buffing bronze by 50 - 100%
silk yacht
sure, but we're way past two currencies
hard bramble
As both would 'feel' better.
Absolutely
Realistically they've got one choice which is buffing bronze gain.
silk yacht
two choices. dropping epics at higher base level
hard bramble
I think it's too late for that personally but I'd like to be wrong. I think it's a good way to fix it too.
silk yacht
idk raids drop loot constantly. just upping the drop ilvl isnt too hard
dreamy skiff
you can also just change the dispoint to 99% off
elder heath
at least 3k bronze per big bronze token thing
dreamy skiff
discount*
so its like a handful of bronze to upgrade the epic all the way up to ur current
hard bramble
Ye
elder heath
So they reverted the buff but that doesn't mean people still aren't going to delete their jewelry right
hard bramble
Yeah lol
elder heath
silk yacht
yes, the jewelery thing is still a bug in the game
dreamy skiff
they still will because it makes it easier still
silk yacht
but that would be a longer fix
hard bramble
If it was me, and I was in charge of fixing this: I'd make all the world bosses drop 1.5k bronze. I'd double all cache bronze (I.e., 1250 is now 2500). I'd step the bronze drop of each raid boss up (and add 500 per LFR boss). I think that'd fit a really good level for people.
Even the most casual player could now get everything they wanted and upgrade gear without much friction.
dreamy skiff
im not sure how accurate it is but it does seem like the mythic scaling is fucked
they were saying iron jugg had 50b before scaling, and ours had like 5b total doing the cheese
ppl in the group i just did it with, that is
silk yacht
id bump the base ilvl of rare/epic drops from heroic raids
alongside some amount of bronze gains
hard bramble
id bump the base ilvl of rare/epic drops from heroic raids
alongside some amount...
Ye this'd be good.
dreamy skiff
whys it only 60 still
elder heath
Its weird because even if I got all the rewards I wanted, I'd still keep playing to level new characters because its fun AND efficient, two things rarely overlapping
hard bramble
Let me FUSE
silk yacht
its a fun mode for leveling alts, if u ignore everyone complaining about rewards
hard bramble
Its weird because even if I got all the rewards I wanted, I'd still keep playing...
Strong agree. The bones of this mode absolutely rule and I hope they learn lessons and do another in the future.
They don't really need to make any major changes. The fundamentals (as they are right now) are solid.
silk yacht
ye
elder heath
They just really fucked up the reward side and the very top end side
hard bramble
Nah, I'm 100% betting on Legion.
All in on Legion
The aritfact weapons are crying out for a re-visit via the cloak system
elder heath
The gap between their advertising and in game balance is out of wack
dreamy skiff
some of these gems are kinda awful tho
i afk'd for the entire galakras phase 1 to pop it on him
only did 20mil
wtf is that
my wildfire did more than that in the 15 second burn
silk yacht
the choice between cosmetics and upgrades is fine imo
the costs and reward systems def need adjustment
hard bramble
If it cost 12k per iLevel tier it'd feel better too.
1k per slot and 2k for a weapon or w/e.
Instead of it being 38530
dreamy skiff
the choice between cosmetics and upgrades is fine imo
the costs and reward syst...
i agree with you but most people don't, because "why would i upgrade gear when it will be gone in 3 months but hte cosmetics stay forever"
elder heath
Upgrade currency should have been tied to group content
And separate
I.e. valor points are the solution to everything (again)
dreamy skiff
because you have to choose to get strong, or get cosmetics (at least how the casual sees it) they're just not gonna worry about getting strong
silk yacht
yes, some people will make that choice
dreamy skiff
most.
silk yacht
and i think thats a fine choice to make
amount of people doesnt matter here imo, people will make their choice
hard bramble
I agree that most people will. But ye; it's a flaw that it is a choice to some extent.
dreamy skiff
in the grand scheme of it being a 3 month event, its definitely fine
but people wanted to be done with it uhhh
last wednesday
so
silk yacht
sure
its a design conflict counter to player expectations
which i think doesnt necessarily mean u HAVE to compromise
hard bramble
Ye
silk yacht
people WANT things NOW, which doesnt mean they get it
hard bramble
I do think they should consider it from the perspective of the casual player, as they are the majority and the people who have the least time.
And people like me, who desperately need to log off and never will, are a bad choice.
eternal pagoda
hard bramble
How long will it take for the average guy who has 1 - 2 hours every few days to play to get the stuff they want. It doesn't have to be everything. But a reasonable goal.
dreamy skiff
at a certain point it's hard to take casual player seriously
silk yacht
u cant always cater to a "casual" 1-2 hour player
since they arent ur core audience most of the time
dreamy skiff
yeah, like
you're playing an mmo
they have raids
those usually aren't like
10-15 minute ordeals
i mean shit even if you literally 1 tap every b oss in soo just travel time alone makes it like 30 minutes
silk yacht
time to reward for mmos is expected to take longer, and 1-2 hours a day depending on what u do is a good amount of bronze for stuff over the length of this event
silk yacht
its designed for as many people who enjoy wow as possible
eternal pagoda
Guys i'm becoming a pumper, lets fucking go
silk yacht
nice
the mode is not designed for 1-2 hour a day players to get every single thing in a week
maybe over 3 months
hard bramble
I didn't say in a week, though.
silk yacht
i know
hard bramble
I agree with over 3 months, ye.
But I don't think that's psosible as it is right now, without a little more tweaking.
silk yacht
and by every single thing i mean remix specific rewards
the toys are kinda unhinged in their costs
lol
hard bramble
Ye, agreed.
silk yacht
and the toys at least can still be obtained as drops
hard bramble
I think focusing on the Remix exclusive stuff in these kinda discussions ia good idea.
dreamy skiff
ya, you get those with ease
silk yacht
if u plan only getting remix specific rewards, leveling alts of every class is the best method
free class ensemble
dreamy skiff
you could maybe consider the boss drop mounts to be "exclusive" as well, if you wanted to
silk yacht
and 80k a character
silk yacht
world bos mounts? those dont drop
dreamy skiff
ya exactly
silk yacht
ye
dreamy skiff
so might as well count those as exclusives too fk it
hard bramble
The frog bonus 40k was such a good addition, yeah.
silk yacht
and if u just do normal raids its like 40k right there
hard bramble
And actually makes my point moot. If the casual player just leveled they'd be fine.
silk yacht
or more
yes
lol
each alt u level
is 2 expensive mounts
so id say rewards are actually fine
lol
hard bramble
Yeah. Like, without that I'd ahve a more saliant point but nah, with that in mind it's super doable
dreamy skiff
frog bonus was fine, if they werent stupid about it
i farmed below 70 so i barely got shit but didnt get the quest
hard bramble
It not being in by default is something else but that's eh
dreamy skiff
silk yacht
frogs existing as they did was a big mistake (the issue being the drop table, not that they were farmed)
hard bramble
Yeah
silk yacht
idk the thought processes on all the other farms getting nerfed, but shrug. whatever
farming vs not farming is whatever at this point
hard bramble
Haha yeah
eternal pagoda
im fast as fuck
dreamy skiff
welcome to the maxxed out speed club
eternal pagoda
also for some wild reason
i just found out
that rings do not give the same amount of stats as trinkets
:C
everything is so DR'ed im starting to use leech gems
silk yacht
lol
all my gems except my pants are vers rn
pants keep me at the hard cap of mastery
eternal pagoda
ill probably have the same problem once my items are maxed aswell
dreamy skiff
just do haste/vers since those effect the GOOD tinkers
silk yacht
haste is kinda whatever, since everyone runs lifestorm and windweaver anyways
dreamy skiff
what was the point of changing the cloak to 10mil stats anyway
all of them hit hard caps WAY before that
fleet shuttle
everything is so DR'ed im starting to use leech gems
U still have plenty of vers haste and crit to go to cap
coarse mist
I think I can solo heroic MSV and HoF now. Lifestorm vindication and searing light is a nice combo for carrying dps and healing.
eternal pagoda
U still have plenty of vers haste and crit to go to cap
It will probably come from ilvl, not gems
Barely getting 1% on rings/trinkets
floral glade
once you have gear you can just tank it
The point of the fixes was to make ToT easier for mid level players
Who were being deleted by animus mobs
eternal pagoda
3 full around the table upgrades for 556
hard bramble
High5, same
eternal pagoda
GESTALT WE GONNA BE OP BEFORE THE WEEKEND ENDS
eternal pagoda
I want to do everything today and tomorrow
hard bramble
I carried a load of friends through raids today. Need to figure out how to do ToT with them
hard bramble
yeee
I'm lucky that one of my guild officers is as online as me, and she's been 556 for a week now. And a Ret.
eternal pagoda
Holy damn
hard bramble
poor lil guys
hard bramble
lmao
strong roost
scrapped a 472 gear piece that i don't use anymore and just realized the bronze gained doesn't even scale with the ilvl
spark spruce
no it does not
strong roost
kinda sad considering the bronze spent into upgrading it
what's the play right now with meta gems? i haven't followed up the news but i heard ward got bonked?
eternal pagoda
Lifestorm / searing light / vindocation
eternal pagoda
What
What did you dooo
@hard bramble @spark spruce i might be doing SoO HC soon, wanna join
eternal pagoda
:c
hard bramble
I've been 521 for two weeks!
eternal pagoda
i stopped caring about retail for a while now xD
hard bramble
Valid. But I gotta do ittttt
hard bramble
Stuff not being fully upgraded annoys me.
spark spruce
<@95119747300995072> <@157187423950864386> i might be doing SoO HC soon, wanna...
already done with all heroics tbh
eternal pagoda
already done with all heroics tbh
D:
floral glade
Is slay still worth it?
floral glade
What
Slay overflows onto qon when you kill one of his dogs
Been happening for a week or so
eternal pagoda
oooh
spark spruce
As tank Slay is worht imo
floral glade
He was consistently dying at like 60%hp
spark spruce
becasue i have 15-20 million life
quiet verge
i just had the fastest throne run so far
and for some reason we went as 8 man instead of waiting for full 10
26 minutes from first boss pull to raden dying
eternal pagoda
How much mastery is too much mastery?»
silk yacht
yea remove a gem if u can lol
silk yacht
rn the only mastery gems i have are on pants
removing one pushes me slightly below cap
rest are vers until that gets to cap
silk yacht
im not even socketing crit bc opportunity or lightning rod, and rogue crit shit
sitting at like 60% without gems
eternal pagoda
opportunity in ST bosses doesnt work :c
silk yacht
and capped with procs
yea i use lightning rod for bosses
i could gem a few crit for guaranteed crit always
i actually should swap my vers gems for crit to see if it makes a diff
eternal pagoda
Ended up with this
floral glade
Wow mastery sucks ASS on rogue
eternal pagoda
after moving stuff around
floral glade
On my warrior it increases all damage done while enraged by that %
eternal pagoda
wdym it sucks? D:
floral glade
Poisons and bleeds are shrimpy
Though tbf ass and sub may use them more
I only play the superior outlaw
silk yacht
mastery is godlike on sin
silk yacht
since a huge chunk of ur damage is just kingsbane
when fights are instant, no stat matters
floral glade
Fair enough
silk yacht
whats the top thing
silk yacht
ah
eternal pagoda
silk yacht
ur kingsbane doing nothing lol
silk yacht
ah u use storm overload
silk yacht
imo not
eternal pagoda
eternal pagoda
everyone keeps saying it fucking sucks
eternal pagoda
this is what i USUALLY use in raids
silk yacht
i dont use any of the healing ones
eternal pagoda
I'm usually top healer honestly
silk yacht
yea i dont use lifestorm
eternal pagoda
coldfront + vindication are
silk yacht
i hate lifestorm bc its a gcd
i dont use searing light or vindication
coldfront sometimes, usually fervor now
spark spruce
Lifestorm plus Searing light is prolly the meta comb now
silk yacht
sure
fun mode dont need no giga meta
i run with guild and we just play normally without cheesey strats when we can avoid it
like no ward lifestorm cheese
or group stack lifestorm nonsense
if i do pugs sure, ill do whatever
silk yacht
shrug, we just vibin, aint sweating that hard to clear h raids
silk yacht
ye
ocean saffron
lads which slots take prio in upgrades
spark spruce
Weapon
quiet verge
i left my offhand as the last upgrade because it let me upgrade everything else
because tinker gems are balling
i think i had everything at 556 but offhand was still 400- something
eternal pagoda
Doing ToThc RN, does anyone want to join and pump with me?
fleet shuttle
i left my offhand as the last upgrade because it let me upgrade everything else
Not worth
Weapons are most of ur primary stat
quiet verge
worked for me 
ok i had to check
agility does nothing to your tinker gem damage
so upgrading offhand does almost nothing
primal pine
eternal pagoda
but i'm not doing anything out of the ordinary
spark spruce
im at 125K
eternal pagoda
Wbosses, daily dungeons/scenarios, thunder trove and all raids in HC
Nearing that 4M mark
ocean saffron
Wbosses, daily dungeons/scenarios, thunder trove and all raids in HC
how long does this take u typically
per day
eternal pagoda
I'll be honest, it becomes faster and faster when you keep upgrading gear
MSV/HoF/Terrace is like... 1 hour to finish all 3
ToT takes a lil bit more, 30/40 minutes, depending on pumpers
SoO is a nightmare
Even with pumpers, its still like 14 bosses
and a lot of walking
ocean saffron
i joined a guild run today of all hc and even with oneshotting every ToT and SoO boss still felt like ages
ocean saffron
guess it feels like it goes faster if ur actually contributing
eternal pagoda
If you're short on time just clean the 3 first ones
eternal pagoda
Its normal
people that started upgrading gear early gained huge advantage
meanwhile i bought half of the mounts and some transmogs before i started upgrading
ocean saffron
highest hp in the raid was like 7mil?
eternal pagoda
Player?
ocean saffron
ya
ocean saffron
did some froggers make it through untouched?
eternal pagoda
no
ocean saffron
holy
strong roost
still need to do hc raids
eternal pagoda
still need to do hc raids
with that ilvl i had them all done mate
and you don't really need to upgrade your offhand
since your dmg will come purely from tinkers
and tinker dmg comes from ilvl
and wasting bronze on the offhand gives you just some agility
kind laurel
is assassination the best performer in remix im guessing?
silk yacht
of rogue specs, yea imo
sub gets closer with more stats
sin has better burst with kingsbane, and better downtime with poison bomb procs
but sub has more burst windows for the weirder fights like megara
since ucan just hold dance sec tech for each head
end of day doesnt matter as much if u are maxed, but outlaw just kinda fucked bc of how short fights are, and how bad they scale with stats. mostly just a tinker machine
floral glade
did they ever fix deleting rings and trinks
or does it still make heroic bosses weaker
kind laurel
Outlaw like main gauche and bte are tied and wayyy below tinker damage
It feels kinda bad
I am hoping kingsbane actually shows up on the meters for ass
Should you still go haste vers for more tinker damage as ass or is it worth trying for mastery
silk yacht
kb does
i have max mastery as sin and high crit/haste/ver (maxed with other procs) and kb is usually highest on average
i only have 3 mastery gems
rest are vers (im also max ilvl)
kind laurel
huh well ty for the advice imma give it a try
floral glade
Just joined a 9 man group hardstuck on Sha of Fear and solod it for them
That dopamine rush alone was worth the 500k bronze
hard bramble
<@157187423950864386> <@95119747300995072>
Hell yes
Remix is gonna make getting my tendies super quick, hell yeah
eternal pagoda
was thinking about that xD
hard bramble
I need the pride chair for my idle spot in Valdrakken
coarse mist
Why is your haste so low? Some of the ability slots scale with it. I was in a group that did multiple lifestorms which pushed me past 200% haste. Hailstorm skyrockets.
coarse mist
Anyone going lifestorm, vindication, searing light?
eternal pagoda
everyone
silk yacht
im not
eternal pagoda
everyone but zomb
silk yacht
yuh
coarse mist
I was in a heroic SoO raid with 20+ people and did over 10m burst. #1 in dps and healing until an even more geared mage showed up.
eternal pagoda
Yep, thats how it is going with that combo
especially in pugs
im usually the top healer
... as an assa rogue
eternal pagoda
i always run coldfront
silk yacht
its one of my flex tinkers
eternal pagoda
I find it so USEFUL
i wonder why not many people run it
it literaly turns you into a Disc priest
silk yacht
i dont run it to give my healer something to do sometimes
silk yacht
i have a friend who likes to do the giga bealing
i run coldfront if we need it to help the lower ilvl folks survive harder fights for them
eternal pagoda
i legit dont see healer. I've run and joined runs with 1-0-9 all week
coarse mist
DPS: Look at me. I'm the healer now.
silk yacht
but we also dont do meta runs
hard bramble
DPS: Look at me. I'm the healer now.
Tank: Look at me, I'm the DPS and the Healer now
eternal pagoda
(i should remind myself i still have a 370 offhand weapon)
silk yacht
as a rogue i can survive dark animis full power as long as a tank exists also running around
at max ilvl
eternal pagoda
I'll be the first one to reach max ilvl from my friends group
and that puts a tear in my eye
silk yacht
i probably wouldve been the first if i stuck to my first character
eternal pagoda
They keep depending on me
carried my raidleader thru all heroics and hes not even 400 (he wasnt by the time we cleared the last raid)
silk yacht
ny guild hasnt cleared heroic soo yet i dont think, ive been out 2 days
ive already done it myself
eternal pagoda
i've cleared it like 3 or 4 times now
coarse mist
You guys know about the talent switch trick for norushen
eternal pagoda
no
coarse mist
When the corruption bar shows up switch talents and it gets set to 0 so you'll do full dmg.
I'll switch to sub during the RP. When the bar shows up I switch back to assassination.
coarse mist
Np
eternal pagoda
Gonna start a world tour HC, anyone wants to tag?
floral glade
200k bronze
it's funny how you're incentivised not to spend it
since the rewards can also drop
silk yacht
u spend if yd rather not farm
hard bramble
Hell yeah
I've been doing retail stuff today, so I think I'm gonna be a few more days
quiet verge
man leveling alts is SO fast in this
started my first one today, i don't get why people were complaining so hard
done three normal raids and my cloak is up to 333% bonus xp
eternal pagoda
spark spruce
Gz!!
eternal pagoda
just so you understand
50% of the raid died p1
due to a star
we did it 10 man
spark spruce
Oof
fleet shuttle
Make sure ur loot spec is assa or sub
Weapons drop like candy
Also on low level it's k to just use swords
Ur mostly garrote/rupture/running or autoatking
You can fok on single target if you need it
Assa with two swords was stronger than outlaw when I was leveling
fleet shuttle
Just use 2 swords till you find some dags
coarse mist
Does absorbs count towards searing light?
hard bramble
Hell yeah!
eternal pagoda
Tbf mythic = heroic
The only difference I noticed the whole raid was the garrosh last phase
hard bramble
Two more achievements to go and they are diiiire, urgh.
Shaohao rep and isle of thunder rares.
eternal pagoda
hard bramble
I must complete them all
Also I have 100k+ timeless currency and wanna buy the mount.
@viral topaz I can ping you in it, though
viral topaz
pog
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guys whats the better rogue spec if youre already at like 450 ilvl
im playing assa but everything dies too fast for bleeds to do stuff
hard bramble
Probably all of them work just as well with how quickly dies and how much damage is in tinkers. So whichever you enjoy the most, maybe?
viral topaz
probably sub would be better since its more frontloaded damage
also crit haste has the best scaling for tinker gems right?
and what tinker gems are you guys running?
eternal pagoda
mostly these ones
viral topaz
ok i just switch slay for fervor and meteor for windweaver
in raids
so kinda the same
do you gem mastery at all or only crit haste for tinkers?
crit haste vers
eternal pagoda
i have full mastery gear but im already hard capped so im starting to get other stuff
viral topaz
mastery good? even though most damage comes from tinkers?
also master assassin does not work in mop remixc right>?
eternal pagoda
mop remix = DF but in mop
viral topaz
not entirely true with the introduction of tinker gems
they are most of your damage
so mastery should lose some value in favour of haste
eternal pagoda
then do your thing
eternal pagoda
I'm doing around 5M dps
with the stats above
i'd say im doing just fine
Also most of our dmg also comes from KB
elder heath
Shit all these random green weapons I've been picking up are unique skins/colors? This is going to drive collectors crazy lol
hard bramble
I can confirm it's driving me crazy
The lack of arsenals is terrible
This is now the worst thing Blizzard could've done. You need multiple characters and RNG to get them all. Absolutely dire.
elder heath
I just thought they were using weapons you would get from levelling or from the dungeons/raids, I had no idea a lot of these were mop remix exclusive...lol
hard bramble
It's an interesting decision and I appriciate the use of unused assets in this way. Most of them are ugly, so it doesn't matter at all, and getitng them all isn't actually that hard.
It's just funny how there's arsenals for the transmog drops but none for the weapons.
eternal pagoda
@analog nymph
elder heath
Getting them all...if you only care about one weapon type still sounds daunting lol
hard bramble
Part of me is hoping they might add a way to buy them before the event is over.
elder heath
kinda crazy been playing my mage a lot and surprised at the amount of appearances I'm still collecting
also learned today that the lockouts are not split by difficulty...whoops
spark spruce
Well there was no "transmog collected" in MOP
You would need it in your Bnak
to mog it
hard bramble
A cursed time
viral topaz
can anyone confirm the master assassin talent is working in mop? or is it normal not to show in the stat %s
analog nymph
it is working
calm laurel
does anyone know if nightstalker talent affects tinker damage?
jagged flare
it does not
