#🐼 Pandaria Remix Discussion

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spark spruce
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🙂

dreamy skiff
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OOF

hard bramble
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@spark spruce high5, just nonsense response by blizz

spark spruce
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before

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btw

spark spruce
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i scammed

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I got the 40K before

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🙂

dreamy skiff
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damn

spark spruce
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I yoinked the 40K bronze for the good boi quest

dreamy skiff
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better roll u back to 250 all then

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get fucked

spark spruce
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before i relogged

hard bramble
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lmao

spark spruce
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1 free upgrade lvl

ruby sinew
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same

spark spruce
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i lost like 100K stam

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but so many stats

dreamy skiff
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I lost like 2% crit

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kek

spark spruce
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Didnt meant 100k stma

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100K life

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and 2K mainstat

ruby sinew
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i lost like 8-10% from all my secondaries lol

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only did like 2 hrs of frog farming, most of my threads were elsewhere

spark spruce
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Ye me too ryolith

hard bramble
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Ye

spark spruce
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i lost 70K threads

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for maybe 10K

hard bramble
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200 threads from frogs was enough to fuck you over it seems

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So dumb

ruby sinew
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heart of fear farmers up rn

dreamy skiff
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ok

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so

ruby sinew
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if they didnt touch frogs at least

dreamy skiff
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1 crate gives me ~103 bronze

spark spruce
dreamy skiff
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i farmed 1000 coins

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so, 10,300 bronze

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i totally profited from this

ruby sinew
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i probably got 2k coins from frogs overall

dreamy skiff
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  • bronze from kills but * i meannnnnnn* every kill of every mob drops em
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thats just gonna kill the mode man

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what farms are allowed then

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was my warbringer farm op

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and i just remembered i wasn't even level 70 when i was farming

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lol

distant lark
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i feeel so nerfed

fleet shuttle
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my guildy

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killed 10 mins of frogs

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to see what farm was about

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then went back bugs

dreamy skiff
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owned

fleet shuttle
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hes nerfed from 200k to 25k

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xD

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i killed frogs 4h

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unnerfed

dreamy skiff
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wait he had 200k stam

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LMFAO

fleet shuttle
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yes

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he played like

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90h in this mode

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enjoyed grinding

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now he quits

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gg blizz

ruby sinew
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have u relogged yet soviet

fleet shuttle
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why

ruby sinew
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mine didnt update until i relogged

fleet shuttle
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i have the quests

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im not flagged

ruby sinew
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i got them too

dreamy skiff
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like i said

distant lark
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if you dont rrelog

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u get quest

dreamy skiff
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i have 3days /played

fleet shuttle
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ok

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im completing em

dreamy skiff
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so its not like i haven't been playing the game

fleet shuttle
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first

dreamy skiff
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2d of that being 70

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so stupid

ruby sinew
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yeah complete them first and then despair

dreamy skiff
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next time i hear about something op i guess i'm clearing my schedule then

hard bramble
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Ye same

dreamy skiff
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stupid

ruby sinew
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sorry boss cant go in to work gotta frogger

fleet shuttle
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welp

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at least i finish quest first

dreamy skiff
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rip

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well

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at least they made levelling alts cracked

fleet shuttle
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i only lost 7k stats so

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not bad

ruby sinew
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yeah levelling alt prob gets u 60-80k bronze

fleet shuttle
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i actually cant believe they rollbacked tho

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nuts

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punish ur most dedicated players xD

ruby sinew
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yeah rollback came like a week late

fleet shuttle
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good thing i already completed mythic seige today

dreamy skiff
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good thing my monk is all lego gem'd up

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ill just

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yoink those

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send em to alts since i can buy full accessories now

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and just be OP for 60 levels

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nerf that

ruby sinew
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cant mail but ig if you have a guy u trust to trade

dreamy skiff
floral glade
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This is insane

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Imagine having a game mode with the tagline “overpowered? Maybe” and then blanket nerfing anyone who actually farmed it

strong roost
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I got untouched and still got the gems my guildmate sent me when he farmed the frogs

floral glade
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Have you relogged

lunar garnet
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which spec is better in raids

eternal pagoda
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Your name

drowsy crest
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they "reset" my cloak

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by giving me 2.5k main stat

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lol

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I had like 2.2k main stat on my cloak

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they reset my cloak and put it to 2.5k xd

dreamy skiff
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btw there's some people who didnt get touched

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who have nearly 200k on their cloaks

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smile

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they also did the bannable thing

smoky pollen
spark spruce
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Also Do you know whats funny

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They care nor about tinerunning

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Than actual s4

silk yacht
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different teams

distant briar
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XD

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funny how ppl got punished by frogs

iron lion
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🐸 🐸 🐸 haunting your dreams

spiral pond
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that has to be the dumbest decision they have ever made

distant briar
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its fine for me, got 40k coins

spiral pond
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that is nothing 😄

distant briar
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well, its a lot for doing nothing

spiral pond
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I guess

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but the nerf was just dumb, instead of reducing it by set amount, they just hard set it to 2.5k

lime sinew
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Not quite the thread you’re looking for

green quiver
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dawg I typed this in the other thread and it got sent here

coarse mist
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My farming area is Lion's Landing. It's horde only and is pretty good since 3 rare can spawn there.

fleet shuttle
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Ye this is actually dumb on multiple levels of decisionmaking from blizz

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Actually making me feel like quitting retail too because I have no faith in their decisionmaking

spark spruce
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Ye its shitty to erase all my farming this week

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For not extreme farming

dreamy skiff
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there's a guy who capped out the stam at 200k

hard bramble
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It's incredibly hamfisted and lazy of them. Zero understanding of the situation, and the only people punished are those who only did a bit of frogging. Even those who did very minor frogging.

dreamy skiff
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he got hit by the nerf

hard bramble
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200~ threads from frogging cost me over 5k+ from other activities. Nonsense.

eternal pagoda
hard bramble
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Yeah, me too. I did 200 threads worth (so 2k charms)

eternal pagoda
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Same!!!

hard bramble
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And lost so much that I gained through wholly legitimate activities so like. What's the message Blizz.

eternal pagoda
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I didn't even reach 100k timeless coins

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And yet byebye 40k for free

hard bramble
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Yep

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It makes me think they didn't actually look at any data or information and just went for the path of least resistence.

eternal pagoda
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Meanwhile my friend who has double my cloak just because he plays a bit more than me and cares about power had 0 issues

hard bramble
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Also nobody who did goat farming, HoF farming, etc? No punishment, nothing.

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The singling out of frogs and such a low volume is bizzareely stupid

hard bramble
eternal pagoda
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It's fine I guess, create a lvl10 AoE heavy alt, put all the rings/trinkets/neck, haste gems or mastery and go nuts. Was clearing HC bosses yesterday in seconds with my friend tanking xad

hard bramble
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Yeah, haha

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I believe we still get the 40k on future characters

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So speed leveling to 70 isn't the worst investment

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Blizz was so close to an easy win with this and then they just slipped over and shit themselves.

eternal pagoda
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True, good to finish all the mounts if that's what you want

hard bramble
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Yeah

eternal pagoda
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Meanwhile I just want 19 more garrosh normal kills

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And I'm done

hard bramble
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Nice

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I've got 3 more 6.6k mounts to buy. THen it's just the transmog vendor for dungeon and world set + remix specific sets.

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Then I dnno. Probably the 18k and 30k mounts slowly

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But I'm basically done with remix exclusive bronze purchases.

spark spruce
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The chose the worst way

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possible

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Well

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No actually, that would be erasing Gear upgrades too

fleet shuttle
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He tested frogs for 10 mins

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Went back to his farm

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(bugs)

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They nerfed -175k stam

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For just playing the game a lot

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It's actually insanity

hard bramble
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Yeah, worst laziest way possible

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Zero thought, zero effort

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And the funniest part is people who frogged and were online got the 40k free Bronze anyway

fleet shuttle
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Ye that was me

eternal pagoda
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Meanwhile I cry

hard bramble
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I was in bed, and logged back in to see if I'd been hit so I missed it lmao

spark spruce
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i got the 40K too

eternal pagoda
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I got shit for 2kish lesser coins from frogs

hard bramble
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I think missing out on the 40k is the bit that is annoying me most. Simply 'cos I wasn't online when it went live.

fleet shuttle
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Not the fact they wiped out a week of progress?

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If they were going to rollback should have targeted frog gains only and do it immediately

spark spruce
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There fix of frogs

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couldve been 2 days earlier

hard bramble
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Sure, that sucks. But I sitll have my gear so it's eh. 40k would've had me done with mount grind

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And yeah

spark spruce
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but they chose not to

hard bramble
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They fixed frogs. Then they did nothing for a few days

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then did this lmao

eternal pagoda
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Mythic garrosh killers enjoyed them not nerfing them

hard bramble
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Yep

spark spruce
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The Message i get from this

hard bramble
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Also, like: this was a thing in MoP proper. No player is at fault for the incompetence of Blizzard ignoring history

spark spruce
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Wait 2 weeks for blizzard to fix problems and aquiring stuff

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Because they release half finished stuff all the time

hard bramble
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Nah, the message is go hard early because the punishment is always negliable

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And only those who do it a tiny bit get punished

spark spruce
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Ye MoP was known for many farm possibilities

hard bramble
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The only, in my opinion, actually punisahble farm should be the gate reset expliot

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Because you had to circumvent the hard 10 instances an hour limit, which is actively abusing game mechanics to do

dreamy skiff
hard bramble
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I wonder what the next hyperspawn grind is gonna be

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And how long it'll take them to fix it. Instead of addressing the root cause of why would gravitate to hyperfarms or these things in the first place.

spark spruce
hard bramble
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'Cos players will always find a way

dreamy skiff
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where would u even go now

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i was doin sra vesh but it really doesnt seem that fast

hard bramble
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I dunno. Ordon Sanctuary in a good shard is still good

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They nerfed Sra vesh

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Current cloak since the reset. Only done world bosses + daily quests and normal / heroic scenarios and dungeons once. Rest has just been tidying up quests

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dreamy skiff
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I'm at about cloak rank 50k now

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I wouldn't feel like I have to find a farm if bronze acquisition wasn't so slow/raids weren't scaled up so high

hard bramble
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Yeah

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Like, just fix bronze!

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They already took agreat step with the daily buffs

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Now just make every raid boss drop 1250 in all difficulties

dreamy skiff
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Mythic garrosh has 10b hp and I want that title, so

hard bramble
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10b HP in phase 1?

dreamy skiff
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I think total

hard bramble
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Still waaay too much

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I want the title but I'm gonna settle for Heroic

dreamy skiff
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Echo was doin like 5-6mil dps per person and 12 manned it

fleet shuttle
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I did mythic siege yesterday with 6 476 people carrying the raid

hard bramble
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Hmm, maybe it is more doable than I thought

dreamy skiff
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You'd need people who feel like carrying though really

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Post cloak nerf though, idk

hard bramble
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Yeah

dreamy skiff
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Mines just a bit better than this before I stopped for the night

dreamy skiff
# fleet shuttle Exactly

Tbh, the easiest and most obvious change/fix for me is to convert the "bonus EXP gain" to "bonus bronze gain" after you hit 70

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That way you're still incentivized to play, as well as queue the lfr wings for even more bonus

hard bramble
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Yee, it's like right there as a change

dreamy skiff
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Then I can do whatever I want cuz I'll be able to see my multiplier go up

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Instead of feeling like I need to find a 30k/hr bronze farm or spend the month grinding

hard bramble
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One of my guildies has gotten 556 in every slot and didn't have her cloak reset

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She's just soloing normal for us now

spark spruce
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btw

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Warding

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and usign lifestorm

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is a cheat code

eternal pagoda
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TELL ME MORE

spark spruce
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You use ward on one person

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someone with high lvl or two use lifestorm

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you stand in there

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easy peasy

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*the person with ward stands in there

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Done with bronze

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now i can use bronze

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for transmog and mounts

ruby sinew
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hey can you fix your pants

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the gems are out of order

spark spruce
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oh lol

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true

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fixed mister ryolith

ruby sinew
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thanks

smoky pollen
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Guys do we have accurate loot tables for what can drop in Pandaria remix? The difference between 10 man heroic and 25 man heroic is substantial.
I am unable to find any answers after extensive googling : (

spark spruce
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There is not loot table

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And there is no 25 man

coarse mist
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There's no 25m. Normals = greens and blues. Heroics = blues and purples. I've never been in mythic SoO.

fleet shuttle
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Mythic is identical drops to heroic

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You can get purples from normal as well

spark spruce
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btw

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Are these worthless?

eternal pagoda
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How hard is HC from normal?

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gonna try to clear some

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MV/HoF/etc

hard bramble
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Mogushan is really easy on Heroic, outside the first boss being a hard burn imo, but if you've got the damage it's easy

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Anything with mechanics is fiddly but most of it's chill with a good group

spark spruce
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MSV and HOF easy

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Terrace harder

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TOT and SOO significantly harde

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MSV HOF = 1 Carry

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Terrace = 2

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TOT SOO = 3-5 Carry

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(for a smooth fast run)

eternal pagoda
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noted

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well gonna find out soon enoug

dreamy skiff
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so where r we supposed to farm now

spark spruce
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So far now

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getting back on track

dreamy skiff
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what are ya farming

spark spruce
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Hc dungeons

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With lvl 10 Party sync

dreamy skiff
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just q in with a lvl 10 i imagine

spark spruce
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Well if you get scaled down

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Your doesnt

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So

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You killing really fast

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Assa rogues especially

dreamy skiff
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how many threads per hr is that

eternal pagoda
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if one party sincs with a lvl10, they still receive exp right?

spark spruce
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In 90 minutes

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If im not mistake

spark spruce
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Because lvl 10 only get fast dungeons

spark spruce
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Killed everything

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My feral Things

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In camprison did nothing

dreamy skiff
spark spruce
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Cant join as premade

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With trial afaik

dreamy skiff
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you can

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bonus if theyre on a trial they can farm too

spark spruce
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And i prolly got like 25k Bronze

dreamy skiff
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i was doing sra vess last night and it was only like 3k an hour on my monk

spark spruce
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They nerfed that Yeah

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I know another farm maybe

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But you need to Stall on a quest

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And idk if its exploit

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In Isle of thundering you have to get 3 Ritual stones

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And you need to summon a mob for thst

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You prolly can summ thst one

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Abandoning thst quest

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Get the quest again and tartan zu gives you New Ritual stones

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Its about 100 Bronze and 6 epic threads per summoned mob

dreamy skiff
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you can also just camp the spawn and kill other ppls

spark spruce
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Yes

dreamy skiff
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blizz just needs to stop being dumb and nerfing everything

spark spruce
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They need to stop Release half finsihed stuff

smoky pollen
dreamy skiff
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of the quest or the stones

smoky pollen
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quest

quiet verge
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wtf this thread exists lul didn't even know

jagged flare
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yea we talk about funny things

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like they nerfed this and that and those

quiet verge
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i maxed all gear today so don't have to care about nerfs pepe_chad

floral glade
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What’s the fastest current bronze farm

opal quartz
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what stats should we choose for armor we intend to upgrade?

silk yacht
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for what, rogue?

opal quartz
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ya

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i was thinking mastery but wasnot sure? maybe vers?

ocean saffron
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u get bronze discount on other pieces so wont matter too much short term

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*long term

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also its gunna be different per spec etc

silk yacht
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just not tertiaries

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since those cap at like 49% from gear

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mastery for sub and sin imo
and vers for outlaw

opal quartz
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thats helpful thanks

silk yacht
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crit is fine for all specs

ocean saffron
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any tips for what to do at 70

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to not feel like shit

silk yacht
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but u def gem chest/pants mast for sin/sub and vers for outlaw

ocean saffron
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its crit vers haste to scale the tinkers too

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mast doesnt scale the tinkers

silk yacht
ocean saffron
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im at full 346 and got oneshot by a random bolt spell in a hc dungeon lmao

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i guess its just raids from here?

silk yacht
ocean saffron
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nah not all

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worth to spend bronze on?

silk yacht
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not really

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200 per green gem is bleh

silk yacht
ocean saffron
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ya trye

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guess secondaries mean fuck all after a while

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since its all on cloak

silk yacht
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like im at 300/200% mast on sub/sin

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and over 50 of the others

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at a certain point u just gem vers on off pieces

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since it can keep scaling while crit and haste have a cap

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but im also 64k threads and 472 ilvl gear

opal quartz
silk yacht
opal quartz
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ok cool thats what i've been stacking for sin

silk yacht
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huge kingsbanes

opal quartz
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was curious if at some point you just said "fk i wish i just took vers anyways"

silk yacht
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nah

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its whatever really u take what i can get

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since its random and epics can fuck u

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double avoidance proc bleh

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crit and haste are fine on gear until u get way up there with those with just cape and gems

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i dont gem haste and im at 50 with windweaver

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no haste pn gear either

opal quartz
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sure past 30% on both of those and i started just padding mastery

silk yacht
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crit prob get like 50-60

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i dont off piece mastery

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since i cant scale ilvl on those pieces

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thats wjere i balance the rest of my stats if i need to

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but chest/pants u for sure want to stack mast

opal quartz
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oh really

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i was thinking i should just go for mastery on every piece and upgrade them all

silk yacht
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neck/trink/ring cant be upgraded

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they stuck at 342 max

opal quartz
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right

silk yacht
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or whatever tmthe ilvl is

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not super worth it imo to stick mastery there, better to balance ur other stats or go vers for some extra tinker acaling

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if u want bigger mastery % its fine to stack

opal quartz
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i don't relaly know how much % is too much for any given stat

silk yacht
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crit is ez to cap

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opportunity attack or w.e is 50%, and lightning rod is also similar

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so u just get a healthy base level

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haste u dont need too much of at all

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i sit at like 30 without windweaver buff from just cape

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brilliance tinkers help with our regen so its not useful for that all too much

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u can run the lightining haste meta gem too if u wanted burst haste

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vers is fine to stack when u have nothing else really, its good to help scale tinker damage

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mastery u can just go to whatever. the biggest % gains are on chest/pant gems so u just chuck mastery there and forget about it

opal quartz
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ok thats great to know

floral glade
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I’m sure this has been said but upgrades are exponential

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Going from 416>430 netted me +3400 stam on my chest, but 430>444 netted me +4600

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I can see why 550’s are basically faction leaders

silk yacht
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yep

elder heath
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Been upgrading gear on my mage, figured I could just dump all my mage's bronze on power and use the other alts bronze as cosmetics only

smoky pollen
silk yacht
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its just slightly awkward without tier, but mostly because it doesnt gain much from all teh extra stats, its just a tinker proccing machine

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when things die to just pure burst, sin/sub do it better

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also ive mostly been playing outlaw all of DF so nice to take a break

fleet shuttle
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Just not too much haste for sin

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You can balance ur gems if ur gear is crit heavy to give more mast

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I've got a bunch of crit/vers gear so I'm legit running 12 mastery gems

dreamy skiff
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You get so much of everything on ur cloak it's better to just use gems to balance your stats

smoky pollen
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Without set should one play KiR in remix?

quiet verge
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ive been playing HO

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doesnt matter really, you can literally be autoattacking and do like 95% of your max damage

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(when your gear gets to higher levels)

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daily bronze jumpscare PogO

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TIL some heroic throne bosses drop two orange caches

eternal pagoda
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thats a lot of upgrades

hard bramble
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gimme

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gimme it all

floral glade
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Found a bronze farm that nets 15-20k per hour. Anyone found anything faster?

ruby sinew
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create new character, grab the dailies, blast scenario/dungeon

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its like 5k per 10 minutes?

floral glade
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Oh I mean on one dude

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I’m going for that 546

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Because I’m a sweatyboi

ruby sinew
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tf are you farming

floral glade
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Ilvl?

ruby sinew
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to get 20k an hour lol

floral glade
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Oh, mantid

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They fixed the threads but they still drop bronze

ruby sinew
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ah

floral glade
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Is 20k per hour about as good as I’m gonna find or are there any better farms?

ruby sinew
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probably not on a single character

floral glade
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Cool

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19 more hours then

ruby sinew
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man

floral glade
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Not all in one sitting. Plus it’s soothing

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I put on a video essay on the second monitor and vibe

ruby sinew
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ah no second monitor for me so grinds are grinds

floral glade
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They’re 80 bucks

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Do it

ruby sinew
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no space for one

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barely had space to fit one monitor lol

floral glade
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There are fold up ones

quiet verge
spark spruce
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Can also heroic spam

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With a lvl 10 character

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You get the 4 fast dungeons

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Many threads, Bronze and gems

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Im now back to 70k in cloak

hard bramble
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Yeah, mine is already thicc again without doing much

spark spruce
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But ill play less now

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Im maxxed out on gear now anyways

distant lark
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i did all the raids exp SoO on my alt on normal and im at 400% xp buff

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484*

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at 63

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u cna also make a trial character on a unsubbed account and its locked at like 25

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and u prob do more the majority of 70s

spark spruce
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Depending on the 70

fleet shuttle
spark spruce
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Trial acc

distant lark
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every person thats not doing mythic siege is like still around 400 ilvl

fleet shuttle
spark spruce
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I think

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I didnt Do it, but a mate

hard bramble
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A buddy is doing that yeah

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Two WoW installs. One trial account, one main.

fleet shuttle
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this seems more abusive

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than frogs

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tbh

hard bramble
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Absolutely

fleet shuttle
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blizzard is dumb

ruby sinew
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news at 11

spark spruce
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Is it?

fleet shuttle
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absolutely

spark spruce
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Just hsve two pcs

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And its fine

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🙂

fleet shuttle
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blizzard is not a fan of multibox in general and using it to gain advantage on ur main is not great

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compared to

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"kill some mobs"

hard bramble
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It's not on the same level as the Gate form because you aren't actualy explotiing anything (as long as you don't go over isntance limit) imo

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But it's def more.. unintended than yeah

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killing mobs

spark spruce
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Well a guild mate used the PC and acc from his bf

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And creates lvl 10 Chars

hard bramble
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The thing about a trial account is it's hard locked at 20.

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So you don't have to keep remaking

spark spruce
#

Wrll

#

At 20 you get stormstout

#

Which isnt thst fast

hard bramble
#

Good point

#

It's silly because Blizz basically wrote the book on player behaviour in this area.

#

And they're just.. ignoring it (because I assume all the insistutional knowledge just isn't there right now?)

#

Most of this stuff was pretty well documented and understood around 2015 - 2016, anyway.

ruby sinew
#

blizz aint playing the mode, they wait until wowhead posts lol

hard bramble
#

No, earlier. 2013 - 2014.

eternal pagoda
hard bramble
ruby sinew
#

every single farm was working until wowhead posted about it

#

they have yet to hit a farm pre-post or a farm wowhead hasnt posted

fleet shuttle
hard bramble
#

Yeee

#

I love that one.

#

It's intensely accurate.

fleet shuttle
#

cause wowhead never posted it iirc

hard bramble
#

Yeah

ruby sinew
#

no

hard bramble
#

Oh, didn't they turn them off too? I saw people still doing them

ruby sinew
#

they hit the alliance spots in dalaran too

hard bramble
#

Aaah

ruby sinew
#

just hit horde first bc wowhead posted horde first lol

fleet shuttle
#

anyway i cba

#

i prefer clear all hc raids + dailies in 2 hrs

#

50k bronze, 10k threads

#

done

hard bramble
#

Yeah

#

I've been doing normal tours daily with guildies (one of whom can carry us all) so like 2 hours for all of it

fleet shuttle
#

hc tours are worth if u can make em quick

ruby sinew
#

cant do both though

hard bramble
#

I want to get to that point. We can probably do Mogushan with her carrying but I need to get abit higher

fleet shuttle
#

i do hc tour then normal seige

ruby sinew
#

at the least its worth doing MSV and HoF heroic

fleet shuttle
#

1 476 is enough to carryy hc raids

ruby sinew
#

skip terrace heroic and tot/soo

fleet shuttle
#

(except ToT)

hard bramble
#

That's good to know.

#

We'll try tomorrow.

fleet shuttle
#

garrosh might be spicy in SoO as well

#

depends how big the cloak

#

we had 200k cloaker so we did SOO/ToT with only 1 476

#

but ToT took a lot of wipes

ruby sinew
#

dark animus?

fleet shuttle
#

ye

#

that was hard iwth only 1 dps

ruby sinew
#

that fight is night and day with froggers/nonfroggers

fleet shuttle
#

durumu also

ruby sinew
#

froggers u dont even need to split the raid up

#

and yeah durumu if u can outdps needing to kill adds

fleet shuttle
#

ToT i wouldnt do without 2-3 476 people

#

SoO 1-2 is fine

#

rest 1 is easy

hard bramble
#

I'm gonna be 430 today

fleet shuttle
#

50k bronze is quite respectable per day now with dailies

#

thats max gear from 0 in 10 days

hard bramble
#

Yeah

ruby sinew
#

my gear is on the 430 tier lol

fleet shuttle
#

i get 2-3 ilvl on all my gear

#

every day

#

prob hit 476 tomorrow

hard bramble
#

I took a big break and bought everything from the exclusive vendors

#

so now it's just gear and then all the generic stuff

fleet shuttle
#

i cba cosmetics

#

because blizz is dumb

#

doesnt allow region transfer

#

so all this virual mount shit is worthelss to me

hard bramble
#

God I hope they fix that someday

fleet shuttle
#

i lost it all when i went NA - >EU

#

so now i no longer care

#

its just about having fun for me

#

and being op is fun

hard bramble
#

Ye

fleet shuttle
#

everyone is like i must buy moutns

#

i wont buy a single cosmetic from this mode

hard bramble
#

I must make All THe Things number go UP

fleet shuttle
#

i buy gear, become op, sell boosts for 1 week ebfore i get bored, quit

spark spruce
#

I bought jikun today

#

Only Mount i wanted

ruby sinew
#

jikun the only mount i had going in lol

#

at least lvl 20 gets you a recolor of it too

spark spruce
#

I had sha mount and Garrosh mount already

#

and elegon

ruby sinew
#

i bought sha/nalak mounts

fleet shuttle
#

mythic moutns are cool idk

#

i dont feel i need any other

ruby sinew
#

gotta buy nalak mounts to never go back to isle of thunder

hard bramble
#

Only had 1 of the Warbringer mounts but don't care a lot about the 1% ones. But i'll get them once I'm 556

smoky pollen
#

Does tireless spirit benefit us rogues?

spark spruce
#

Its energy

#

So idk if that really helps us

fleet shuttle
#

It doesn't

#

Use oblivion sphere if solo or life storm in raid

#

Or thundering orb for big aoe pad but it's fun

spark spruce
#

i use locus

eternal pagoda
#

Okay managed to do moguvaults/HoF and 3/4 Terrace.

#

Sha does need 2+ boosters to go down LOL

#

still, all my gear is 402 and my cloak at 42k

#

its so low ._.

fleet shuttle
#

1 booster with decent play

#

2 with bad play ig

#

you just have to pass ball around to not let adds hit people

eternal pagoda
#

we had 1 guy die contantly on P1

#

we went down, 2 healers get feared dot

#

then clownfiesta started

fleet shuttle
#

ye u pass light to them

#

it removes fear

eternal pagoda
#

lock with the orb didnt feel like playing handball

fleet shuttle
#

the 476 guy should be the healer

#

with vindication

#

dont need heals

eternal pagoda
#

476 was an enhancement sham

hard bramble
#

Vindication seems to do so much with high ilevel

eternal pagoda
#

top healer aswell

ruby sinew
#

someone on mage discord make cloak.io addon to give people a timerunner rating based on threads/ilvl dead

spark spruce
#

KEK

#

Tryhards do tryhard things

fleet shuttle
#

ilvl already does this

#

iodc if they have 200k cloak or 20k

#

if they are 476 they pump

#

pointless lol

eternal pagoda
#

I need to find booster friends

#

way easier than no life this game mode

spark spruce
#

Thats how wards need to look like

eternal pagoda
#

holy shit

#

BTW

#

if a friend foes ToT up to durumu but cant kill it, can he then join another group and take it down or is he saved ? (the old ID save)

hard bramble
#

I think it basically works like current Mythic lockouts

eternal pagoda
#

yeah seems like it

hard bramble
#

I'm sure there is a good technical reason behind it, but hooboy is it a dumb decision. They should all be flexible and work like the current heroic lockout system.

#

At least SoO is flexible on N/H

eternal pagoda
#

yep!

lime sinew
spark spruce
#

And they used it on me

eternal pagoda
#

time to level up again

spark spruce
#

Terrace hc

#

Is really Hard, when people dont Listen

jagged flare
#

the liiiiight

spark spruce
#

Ye

#

The fucking mage standing there keeping all the Light for himself

#

And dying

#

Because this usain bolt sha slaps him

fleet shuttle
#

I don't think they ever changed it

hard bramble
#

Yeah, they didn't. It's why I think there is probably a good technical reason behind it.

#

Esp as it was still 10/25 split until SoO in the WoD pre-patch.

smoky pollen
#

Are there hard caps for stats. aside from DR?

dreamy skiff
floral glade
#

I'm up to 458/472, what's the best bronze farm strat at this level?

eternal pagoda
#

speed leveled a druid

fleet shuttle
#

Avoidance 49%

#

Leech has no cap iirc

spark spruce
#

Leech alson49%

silk yacht
#

for tertiaries specifically, theyre all capped at 49% from gear only (so other sources of tertiary gains like talents / tinkers can get u above them

spark spruce
#

I mean Crit isnt really capped at 100%

#

its just everything beyond that is useless kekdog

silk yacht
#

if u can scale crit damage with crit % then can probably take advantage of that i guess

spark spruce
#

Ye like Destro

#

getting more Chaosbolt dmg with more crit

#

iirc

primal pine
#

Any fellow rogue healers?

eternal pagoda
#

Me

#

But I still need ilvl to be decent

fleet shuttle
spark spruce
#

Cap for me is, you cant get more than this

#

like 49% Tertiary

hard bramble
#

Trying to get one person in for the final TOES boss

#

and it's just a non-stop procession of people who can't read thinking it's the world boss

spark spruce
hard bramble
#

And yet

spark spruce
#

Have you tried

#

Just not losing someone at last boss

hard bramble
#

Well I kicked them, so

#

Because they were useless and had an annoying addon

jagged flare
#

IM FEARED THROW LIGHT

hard bramble
#

Finally got it down but the hilarity of the 10+ minutes of people wanting the raid boss joining was amazing

jagged flare
#

you mean world boss

hard bramble
#

I do! I'm frazzled.

fleet shuttle
#

just say

#

"final terrace boss"

hard bramble
#

Yeah I should've BUT!

#

comedy.

#

I should've called it FINAL TOES which someone in the group suggested

#

TOES FINAL is also funny

brave robin
#

you know, its hilarious seeing people that grinded their souls out for high ilvl acting like some bigshot pro players now in a meme mode

#

then you check their profile and see 0 raid kills on any difficulty on the real servers, and they play like that aswell

fleet shuttle
#

mastery seems to be soft capped around 216%

#

(for assa)

#

above this level it's value drops significantly for me

#

im full gemming mastery/vers due to haste/crit group buffs from raid

#

can easily go over crit cap accidentally

image.png
#

when too many buffs proc

#

need to get more vers instead of crit gear

#

i think the play is full mastery/vers gear if u can since those stats arent buffed by gems in any way

hard bramble
#

hell yeah

eternal pagoda
#

THEM

#

The big deal

hard bramble
#

Got every Heroic raid except ToT done now. SoO is really chill on heroic.

eternal pagoda
#

If you have the right friends to carry play with you

smoky pollen
#

So how is Mythic raids in remix now

hard bramble
#

Nah, she def carried

eternal pagoda
#

There's only one

eternal pagoda
hard bramble
#

hahaha

strong roost
#

I gotta try the heroic raids now that I finally got a blue chest piece with vers, I'm at 400ilvl now, not sure how much are people asking in lfg

brave robin
#

idk, i did heroic vault with 370

spark spruce
#

Does anyone (EU) need tot normal still?

#

gonna boost 2 guildies

smoky pollen
spark spruce
#

ye at iron qoun

spark spruce
smoky pollen
#

nvm thanks though ❤️

eternal pagoda
#

since finding groups with 370 ilvl and 40k cloak isnt fun

spark spruce
#

ill do it after sooo

#

ye

spark spruce
eternal pagoda
#

Pandaroyal xD

#

You're gonna do stuff now?

#

oh after soo

#

didnt read

#

Pandaroyal-grimbatol

spark spruce
#

ye

#

garrosh dead

eternal pagoda
#

loggin!

silk yacht
#

i swapped all my chest/pant gems to vers

unkempt ermine
#

whats the fastest way to gear up a fresh 70, all raids on normal?

spark spruce
#

Farming bronze

#

Prolly normal raids, if you got a carry

#

the daily quests

#

Other than that the farms

#

Like Kunlai, HC dungeons

smoky pollen
#

So is Mythic Siege of Orgrimmar hard?

#

How many froggers to take down

fleet shuttle
#

All ur stats higher than mine with lower ilvl

fleet shuttle
#

You need to bronze farm for upgrades

silk yacht
fleet shuttle
#

Yeah yours is higher cause I got hit with their dumbass placebo nerf

silk yacht
#

L

fleet shuttle
#

I get 10k threads + 60k bronze from doing this for about 2-3 hr work

silk yacht
#

i also just have a bunch of mastery on gear

fleet shuttle
#

My gear is very mastery/crit heavy

#

I might have to switch some pieces once I hit 476 to avoid mastery cap

silk yacht
#

i had to switch off gems

fleet shuttle
#

There is some turbo hard DR after

silk yacht
#

yea

#

its the -100% dr threashold

fleet shuttle
#

100% penalty is kinda lying

#

You still get a little past that

silk yacht
#

yea

fleet shuttle
#

It's more like 95% dr

silk yacht
#

its a dr multiplier not addative

small timber
#

Ιs there any way to know which class apparel's i have since every thing is showing even tho i have bought some

spark spruce
#

almost everyone is 450+

fleet shuttle
#

It's not that hard

#

Just big hp

#

476 is very overheated for it

smoky pollen
spiral pond
#

tested it yesterday

#

so the dr is not that bad

#

still the best stat wise

spark spruce
#

You can take galakaras down aloen?

#

Biggest ward ive ever seen

primal pine
#

ive seen bigger

hard bramble
#

It's wild how much more difficult ToT Heroic is than any of the other raids.

primal pine
#

its not that wild

#

not even that much more difficult tbh

spark spruce
#

Its definitely a lot harder than terrace / Hof/ Msv

hard bramble
#

Even with a really strong carry, I feel like you've still gotta do certain boss mechanics. Fine with organized, less fine with pugs.

spark spruce
#

you need 2 carries

#

maybe 3

hard bramble
#

Whereas all the others you can sorta zerg through. I think I'd rate them, easiest to hardest: Mogu'shan vaults -> HoF -> SoO -> Terrace -> -> ToT

spark spruce
#

especially if you dotzn ward

hard bramble
#

Yeah, absolutely.

#

SoO is comical since you can take 30 people into it

spark spruce
#

We doing 5 Lifestorms and 15 Ward strat

#

in mythic rn

hard bramble
#

Is it working well?

smoky pollen
spark spruce
#

avg?

#

ilvl

#

?

#

Prolly

spark spruce
#

so yeah

hard bramble
#

lmao

#

fuck yeah

#

I'm stealing that idea for when I organize my own run to get the title

spark spruce
#

pretty common

#

i think

smoky pollen
spark spruce
#

Ye with 440 probabyl

primal pine
#

nah

#

I just dont see it that way idk maybe its a skill diff

spark spruce
#

ngl you are the biggest shittalker in RH

#

i cant take you serious

primal pine
#

thanks man

smoky pollen
#

Anyone wants to run heroics

#

needs boost?

#

locked to raids so dungeons for now

primal pine
#

how often do raids reset?

hard bramble
#

Daily.

primal pine
#

hawt

spark spruce
#

This is what i mean

primal pine
#

when you see "Biggest Outlaw Fan" typing, you know some fire is about to be posted

#

I get it

spark spruce
primal pine
#

also

#

my autos are hella critting

past kindle
#

ciritcal autos logs

primal pine
#

excuse me

#

main gauche

#

obv dif

eternal pagoda
#

Popo how many coffees did you have today?

primal pine
#

a lot

#

I also have a fever

#

why?

past kindle
#

I tried something new in remix and play a balance druid

eternal pagoda
#

You taking anything for that headache?

primal pine
#

negative

eternal pagoda
past kindle
#

what i learned is, to have more respect for balance druids

primal pine
past kindle
#

i need a lot of coffeein to not fall asleep from the simplicity of the spec and the more turrent like gameplay of ranged dps

eternal pagoda
elder heath
#

playing mop remix makes me miss having soulshape

past kindle
#

i mean, i am not saying i min/max every aspect of balance

#

so there might be some nouances i miss

eternal pagoda
#

Like some cancelaura macros

past kindle
#

haha possible

spark spruce
#

Paragon really messy rn

eternal pagoda
#

i've heard about those

fleet shuttle
#

Since mastery gives double other stat for some reason this makes mastery bis until you hit the soft cap

#

But once you pass 215% it becomes much higher DR

#

I was doing stat weight sims and the value dropped to like 1/3

#

I think it's a 83.3% dr or something rather than 50% once you get past 215% since the value is 1/3 of the previous

fleet shuttle
#

But garrosh is like equally hard to him so

spiral pond
#

at 216 it was still 50%

hard bramble
#

I found Terrace more difficult 'cos you can't stuff it with 30 people. And the add on the first boss can be fiddly if people don't do it. The rest is fine, though

spiral pond
#

don't think it changes to the cap

primal pine
#

They should've removed the DR in stats so we can finally see at what point a stat becomes good for Outlaw

fleet shuttle
#

It's like 216-217% where you go to the new DR threshold

spiral pond
#

its not 95% at least

#

I was at 216 yesterday when I tested

#

and now I am at cap with nothing

fleet shuttle
#

Ye it's not 95% but Its definitely much higher than 50% where it was the for the last 10k mastery u put in

#

I think 83.3 as I said

#

I put an additional 10k mastery and only got like 8% past the DR (like 224%)

#

Much better to put into vers at this point

#

The stat weight dropped from 15 to 5 in my sims

spiral pond
#

wait that is weird

#

for me it is 2k stat

#

to cap

#

from 216

past kindle
#

removing stat dr would probably be fun in remix

eternal pagoda
#

1000% mastery assa

#

BRRRRRRRRRRRRR

spiral pond
#

today

fleet shuttle
#

ye

#

whenever you hop to this threshold

#

its much worse

spiral pond
#

100%

#

is fake

fleet shuttle
#

ig its 216%

#

100% is fake

#

i know

#

but its lower than it was before

#

by a lot

spiral pond
#

I had 0.06 per 12 stat

#

so 2k would be about 10% mastery

#

so it would seem its 50% dr

#

til cap

fleet shuttle
#

cap being what exactly

spiral pond
#

228%

#

I am not getting any more after that

#

unless its GIGA dr

fleet shuttle
#

ic

#

so threshold at 216% and then 228% hardcap

spiral pond
#

no no

#

it was 50% way before

fleet shuttle
#

ye but it gets worse for sure when you pop over

#

heres at 215%

image.png
#

vs after i passed it

spiral pond
#

realistically haste and vers are waaaaay higher

#

since tinkers

fleet shuttle
#

vers is quite good ye

#

but haste u get so much from a 5 man group windreaver

spiral pond
#

most are hasted as well

fleet shuttle
#

i didnt put anything into it

#

same for lightning rod

spiral pond
#

so I wonder if you go straigh away for vers/haste

fleet shuttle
#

im thinking vers mast until cap and then full vers i guess

spiral pond
#

at higher ilvl that is

#

so that tinkers start doing more than you

fleet shuttle
#

my current setup

image.png
#

couldnt find a higher sim

#

im simming approximately like this to help balance my stats

#

removing the tier bonus and subbing stats from gear for manually inputted ones

#

(tinker procs not taken into account ofc so haste/vers/crit better than it's indicated)

#

but its accurate for ur base rogue abilties at turbo high stats

spiral pond
#

ye I just don't know how well tinkers scale with haste and vers

#

because if I get PI you just do giga damage

spark spruce
hard bramble
#

Hell yeah

spark spruce
#

Took 1:30 hours

#

We also killed garrosh with 19

fleet shuttle
#

i havent decided on my tinkers

image.png
spark spruce
#

Hailstorm

#

Is really gkkd

fleet shuttle
#

what can i drop for hailstorm tho

#

only wildfire/explossive barrage

spark spruce
#

Victory fire

#

If you arent doing dungeons

#

Or Open World

fleet shuttle
#

for raid sure ig but its quite good everywhere else

spark spruce
#

Victory fire is whatever

fleet shuttle
#

its op af in anywhere except raid

spark spruce
#

Yearijg Light

#

Searing

#

If you dont use lifestorm

#

You have it currebtly equipped

smoky pollen
#

Is there a max move speed hardcap? Not talking about speed stat but like total move speed

fleet shuttle
#

or just lifestorm

quiet verge
#

more vers more lifestorm healing Surebud bis stat

image.png
spark spruce
#

Because you dont heal with ward

spark spruce
#

Trinkets and Accessoires are so use less

#

With high ilvl

#

Idk

quiet verge
#

yeah they kind of scammed with those

#

good for fresh 70 though

eternal pagoda
#

Spent like 1/2 hours farmin in kun lai

#

managed to go from 402 ilvl items to 416 with 4 items already at 430 (I should mention that this was after doing all the "daily stuff")

#

also cloak went from 48k to 53k

silk yacht
#

ok even with bonkers stats cant make KS work

dreamy skiff
#

i am losing my mind

#

this shit is sooooo slow and awful

distant briar
#

got kicked from a scenario cuz the guy pulled everything and was killed in the road