#mirons - Log Review

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plain idolBOT
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Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

vale saddle
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wait that's the wrong one

narrow linden
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neltharus 4? also which rogue are you?

vale saddle
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sorry

narrow linden
vale saddle
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I was trying out stuff to try to see deper wth is going on wrong xD

narrow linden
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okay so some things i see immediately

fiery sky
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These aren't the play

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narrow linden
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i think you should study the #outlaw-faq especailly the intro

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outlaw is doing everything in its power to keep ADR active

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it should have >90% uptime

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without ADR you do nothing

vale saddle
narrow linden
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but there is a lot of work needed to keep ADR active

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since it does not tick down during stealth windows

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and everything about the rotation controls the average cooldown on vanish

vale saddle
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We had some messy pulls and I lost my ADR at start because the tank died and we all died right after that

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I also died a couple of times in the dungeon afterwards

fiery sky
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have you got a log where the dungeon was clean?

vale saddle
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I'm not sure how much of an effect a death does on the damagemeters

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I don't have a dungeon where I haven't died a single time

narrow linden
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deaths suck but won't result in 39% ADR

vale saddle
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Alright, so keep more ADR uptime

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what about the other buffs?

narrow linden
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well

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sorry this is hard to explain

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like looking at the first pull

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okay you immediately died which makes more sense of what im seeing

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i dont know what to begin OMEGALUL im befuddled at this log

vale saddle
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xD is it that bad?

narrow linden
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nah it's just hard to make sense of cast timelines instead of a vod sometimes, cant see any cooldown timers

vale saddle
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If that's an option I can send a vod of a key after i'm done with it

narrow linden
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so

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one big part of outlaw

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is using the tier set + loaded dice to guarantee 3 buffs from roll the bones

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there are not many points where you are reaching 3 buffs

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which makes me think something about the RTB rules is not being applied

vale saddle
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Is there a standard RTB weakaura that could help with this?

narrow linden
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roll the bones falling off causes the tier set to not activate on the next roll

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outside of dying, you should not be letting roll the bones completely expire

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but there is no WA we fully endorse that is telling you how to play the rules correctly

vale saddle
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Alright, i'll get that weakaura, thank you

narrow linden
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i think you are pressing keep it rolling at 3 buffs

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when it should be 4 buffs

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we guarantee 3, then count the odds needs to proc once, we then we KIR immediately

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the rtb/kir rules:

  • if you have 1-2 buffs and loaded dice active, then you must roll asap to get 3 buffs. with proper gameplay you are maintaining at least 3 buffs for almost all of combat
  • after you get 3 normal buffs, once you get a 4th buff from Count the Odds you must immediately use KIR to boost them all
  • after you use KIR, once all your buffs are under 39s remaining and you have loaded dice back, you should press roll the bones again to potentially get a 5th or 6th buff
vale saddle
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ah

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I have pressed roll the bones with 3, yeah

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I forgot about the proc counting for the 4th buff

narrow linden
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basically this build is all about racking up 4+ rtb buffs at a given moment

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it's hard to see exactly why you aren't achieving this, but you aren't

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other than RTB expiring, of course

vale saddle
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I'll keep it in mind to never let it run out

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I'm guessing it has prio of not running out even in Vanish or SD windows, no?

narrow linden
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in a perfect world, your opening roll the bones > adrenaline puts you at 1-2 buffs, and then when RTB is off cooldown, you immediately roll to 3 buffs

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of course dying instantly pretty much fucks that

narrow linden
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before going into stealth

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so if all your buffs are < 7 seconds remaining

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and vanish/dance are off cd

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you roll and then vanish

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but yes, even if you enter stealth with low duration buffs, you still have to roll to keep them active

vale saddle
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What about the BTE/dispatch casts and PS/ST casts?

narrow linden
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what do you mean?

vale saddle
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I feel like i'm pressing way less buttons in general, is it due to the low uptime on ADR?

narrow linden
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yes

vale saddle
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the CPM on abilities in general

narrow linden
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ADR lowers your global cooldown to 0.8 seconds

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which is

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the fastest gcd in the game

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so it lets you get 8 globals in a stealth window

vale saddle
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Hmmmm

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I see

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Is there also anything wrong with ST damage?

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I'm pressing BF a lot but sometimes it feels awkward to press in boss cleave or 2-3 targets only

narrow linden
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you use BF as a combo point builder in 5+ target pulls

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other than that you just have to maintain it

vale saddle
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Is it not worth it if I don't have opportunity and there's 2-3 targets? Sinister feels horrible to press to build up points in terms of energy usage

narrow linden
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it is not worth really

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sinister strike is a good global actually

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because it can proc opportunity

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but also

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again without ADR active, and without lots of buffs rolling

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you're gonna feel completely useless

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cause ADR and your RTB buffs control your energy and combo point efficiency and proc rates etc.

vale saddle
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That's what I was thinking too, the ADR uptime is probably destroying my energy usage on sinister strike

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Is it normal though that I do so less damage on bosses?

narrow linden
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outlaw's ST damage is good enough

vale saddle
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In some scenarios, like Bromach's totem it feels unkillable for Outlaw, idk if it's just a me thing

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or that the groups I was in happened to lack ST damage in general

narrow linden
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outlaw is pretty good at sudden priority dmg

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i mean we dont have cooldowns like sub

vale saddle
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That's fair enough

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Is just sometimes it feels underwhelming

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Is there anything else that feels like being pointed out?

narrow linden
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well last boss

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you had adrenaline rush for 35% of the pull

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cant stress this enough that of course it feels underwhelming when that happens

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like breath frost dk that cant maintain breath

vale saddle
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That's the entire point of dk xD

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okay I get the point now

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Is it possible to archive this so I can come back to this conversation in the future if I ever forget something?

narrow linden
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one thing i see

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is finishers used at 4cp, 3cp, 2cp

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the first minute of the last boss has 5 finishers used at 2 combo points

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could be on accident? we are supposed to use finishers at 6+ combo points outside of stealth, or 5+ combo points inside a stealth window

vale saddle
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I think I was trying to fish for echoing reprimand

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and ended up panicking in the end

narrow linden
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i'm not sure what you mean fish, but don't overthink echoing reprimand

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if you happen to land on a blue combo point, you use a finisher on it

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if you don't land on a blue cp then oh well

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you just continue as normal

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sometimes they expire cause you cant hit them

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how it goes

vale saddle
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Is there a worthiness to it? So like if I only proc 1 of the 3 echoings is not worth pressing the button??

narrow linden
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it's not like a super important minigame

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well you will almost always hit the blue cps within 45 seconds

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every now and then they expire but it's rare

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but just saying, you don't put much brainpower into it

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you just keep zooming, if you land on blue cp, good

vale saddle
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So if it's meant to be let it be xD

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If not fuck it we tried

narrow linden
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yep

vale saddle
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Is it possible for me to have this convo archived?

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So I can come back to this whenever?

narrow linden
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this thread will always be in the thread list

vale saddle
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ahhhh

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Alright that's perfect

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Thank you a lot for the help, im gonna work on the dummy on ADR uptime and get used to RTB on 7sec or less

narrow linden
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if you could log a dummy for a while then it would help to just see the raw rotation instead of mixed with keystone fuckery

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and i know you have every cd ready at the start

vale saddle
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give me 10 and ill send it here

narrow linden
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remember the prepull opener is bf (on nothing) > stealth > roll the bones > adr > snd

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and then you open with ghostly strike > echoing reprimand > bte > ...

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in aoe you can skip the bf prepull and just open with bf > bte > GS/ER > bte > ...

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also before a keystone is placed you can get even fancier

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using KIR and then it gets reset

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i'm not sure I covered this, but KIR has a mechanic where your boosted buffs don't get rerolled by the next RTB cast

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so you boost 4 buffs, KIR them, get loaded dice again, and roll

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you may get a 5th or 6th buff

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then you are really zooming

vale saddle
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here's the log for the training dummy

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I'm mainly trying to get the foundations built up before I go into minmaxing territory

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Cause I just noticed a lot from hitting the training dummy itself

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wait, there's something wrong with the log

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wait the log is messed up

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let me do it again

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here

narrow linden
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some things about the opener

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echoing reprimand has higher priority than sinister strike

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and also a handful of globals have more than a 0.8s gap between them

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first stealth window was 7 globals instead of 8 cause of this

vale saddle
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hm

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okay, i'll keep a mental note of the echoing usage prio

vale saddle