#hetrovono - Log Review
sage burrow
woeful storm
Yep
woeful storm
Never do that? Even if you get the proc?
full yacht
You only use Pistol shot in Stealth windows when you have the Buff "Broadside" up
dusky summit
this build uses pistol shot to proc ambush when ambush is not available
full yacht
also you used Pistol without proc quite often
woeful storm
Okay, well I don't think I've heard that before, good to know.
dusky summit
ambush is available in stealth
ocean bluff
woeful storm
ambush is available in stealth
Makes total sense
woeful storm
I sometimes, pistonl shot at range to build combo, But I get yoru point.
full yacht
Because Adrenaline rush gives you full CPs
woeful storm
You wasted CPs there
This is a big issue I have regularly
I panic, even though I know I shouldn't do it, I just can't stop the hands
full yacht
Also
ocean bluff
I sometimes, pistonl shot at range to build combo, But I get yoru point.
idk i feel like outlaw should have really high uptime on rashok especially on non mythic
dusky summit
hard to follow with 3 people typing but on rashok you delayed the first shadow dance heavily
woeful storm
Yeah, I was testing the ST and Mutli target build on this raid
dusky summit
it is supposed to be used right after the first vanish window is over
adrenaline rush does not tick down during stealth windows, and so delaying shadow dance caused adrenaline rush to expire, and then that dance window did not have ADR active
a double whammy of a punishing error
woeful storm
because, I've had ST bosses where MT had me doing more , but could've just been better procs/rotations, I shouldn't reinvent the wheel here
ocean bluff
yeah just stick to ST
woeful storm
No it shouldn't I know my rerolls are bad.
dusky summit
yeah, though that just happens with proper gameplay, between the eyes uptime is not something you think about on its own
dusky summit
for one thing, you need the tier set
it changes how you use roll the bones significantly
woeful storm
Well yeah, but addressing a known issue, isn't going to fix anything
There's clearly mroe wrong that just the 4pc missing
dusky summit
i didnt say otherwise
my point is that RTB rules will change
outlaw uses the tier set + loaded dice to guarantee 3 buffs from roll the bones, and you "reroll" to turn 1-2 buffs into 3 buffs
keep any 3 buffs, and dont let them expire
the tier set does not activate if they expire
full yacht
Also one thing, while your trinkets arent good, especially the Puzzle Box one, you didnt press them once. Thats also a huge DPS loss.
woeful storm
yep.
Yeah, If I get lucky, I might have 4pc this afternoon, we'll see what the vault does
Almost, think I should take the pistol shot off my stealth bar, think lizard brain is too dumb.
dusky summit
i think you are not using ghostly strike in stealth
the off-gcd CP generation of that talent is almost as strong as the debuff itself
woeful storm
Yeah, I have a weird problem, alot, I try to use it before I vanish so it's just on, but it's off the gcd, I shouldn't bother should I?
dusky summit
you just slam it on cd
woeful storm
all right.
dusky summit
can macro it into ambush/ss/bte/dispatch even
dusky summit
I don't think ghostly strike is related to BtE going on CD
woeful storm
not if the macro is only on the BTE button
ocean bluff
yeah i might just be misremembering it sorry for the confusion
woeful storm
can't accidentally bblow BTE for ghost strike, if you're only hitting BTE when you should
all good
my unfrotunate reality is I have more wow mcro XP than outlaw rogue XP
I've only been in 2 raids and around 15 mythic dungeons with it, so I really have no idea what I'm doing
ocean bluff
i mean outlaw is just fast, it just takes time to get used to
dusky summit
so no more slamming pistol shots inside stealth, watch ghostly strike timer, watch roll the bones/slice and dice timers, watch stealth cooldown timers as they are needed to prevent adrenaline rush from ticking down
woeful storm
Yeah, no more pistol in stealth will probably save me a shit ton of GCDs, and hopefully, the other things will follow since I won't be burning valuable time.
I hope
full yacht
And if you have on Use trinkets, use them
woeful storm
Yeah, I just hate that one has a 3 second cast
but I suppose I could wait till after first stealth rotation
dusky summit
i also see a lot of finishers used at 4cp or 3cp
should use finishers at 6+CP outside of stealth windows and 5+ CPs inside stealth windows
woeful storm
oh, yeah, I have an issue where I'm afriad to over right CP, so I sometimes go early, it's a negative energy game I'm playing with myself in rogue
dusky summit
it is not worth to do like a final 4cp BTE at the end of stealth
woeful storm
Better to just get the bigger CP hit on vanish from dispatch
dusky summit
this ambush build willingly overcaps a lot of combo points
it slams ambush or pistol shots at 5cp a lot
just to proc each other
woeful storm
so I should be less afraid than I am? but still attempt improvement
dusky summit
just have to know if you don't meet the rule to use a finisher then you press the highest priority builder, and this build does not change builder priority based on CP
also you really dont have to feint on normal rashok
it sounds bad but like
you use feint in fear of death
woeful storm
okay, I'll keep that in mind, better to over write the one, than to blow 4 on a useless finisher
dusky summit
not sure if it was covered but there are a lot of regular, non-proc pistol shots
woeful storm
also you really dont have to feint on normal rashok
It's a fair assessment, but I think my healers were messing with me, hopefully I don't have that issue all the time
woeful storm
not sure if it was covered but there are a lot of regular, non-proc pistol shots
They mentioned, it, and I really can't tell why, other than, I was out of range so did it jsut to keep active CP building maybe?
dusky summit
on normal rashok you cant really be out of range unless you get targed by the brand thing, which then you grapple out for 1.8 seconds and then shadowstep back to boss
woeful storm
on normal rashok you cant really be out of range unless you get targed by the br...
ah yeah, I rarely use shadowstep for that, but good point
didn't even think
dusky summit
if you are truly stuck out of range then you can pistol shot at full energy
but it's kinda rare if managing uptime correctly
these raids you are either in melee range or stuck in downtime with nothing to attack
actual downtime is really lame on outlaw
like on sarkareth
then ADR expires and there's nothing u can do
woeful storm
yeah... I do not like Sarkareth at all
I almost feel like, we need a 3 minute vanish, that doesn't get it's CD reduced jsut for incomabt stealthing
dusky summit
also btw
woeful storm
because good god... sometimes, the time syou never get to stealth is just... eww.
dusky summit
right now you are prepulling with ADR into RTB
to get 2 buffs
when you get tier set it needs to be the other way around
RTB into ADR
otherwise you are stuck with 2 buffs and cant turn them into 3
woeful storm
Yeah, and can I ask just a general question?
dusky summit
ya
woeful storm
everytime I do that, I lose the combo points, and drop to 2
this intentional? Because it feels like big dooo dooo
dusky summit
it is intentional that you lose CPs on pull
but
you should spend those CPs on slice and dice before the pull anyway
woeful storm
oh okay, then I'll jsut do it a few seconds earlier and sneak in the SND
that's been driving me nuts
woeful storm
it is intentional that you lose CPs on pull
ANother fine Blizzard decision.....
woeful storm
mmkay.
dusky summit
u can even do it like 20s before the pull
cause all those buffs are frozen
except for RTB
woeful storm
ah yeah, cause of the buff keeps yeah