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#narvas. - Log Review
flint hull
or is it some sort of
differential
of movement
speed
etc
between you and the targets
inland bronze
Too much people in here 😠
Not really Zac cuz it doesnt depend on mob move speed. It s just a weird interraction that is probably due to pathfinding of the missiles or idk
pastel egret
Not really Zac cuz it doesnt depend on mob move speed. It s just a weird interra...
Did we test
normal walking ye
right
the first few test?
and did we test slowed mobs?
fickle root
Not really Zac cuz it doesnt depend on mob move speed. It s just a weird interra...
well guy had someone say they triggered it in s1 through vortex/typhoon
and back then u couldnt move
uneven kelp
ethical
uneven kelp
ok
u bozos r getting this fixed 100%
and the fix is gunna be grief roots us again
i hope ur all happy
inland bronze
REALLY ZAC?
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
btw i did a nokhud trying to abuse that as much as you can
it s a great dungeon
inland bronze
and the fix is gunna be grief roots us again
The fix gonna be "GT does 70% less dmg"
dw dw
fickle root
https://wago.io/f3QffCcBn
ionic beacon
so goated
flint hull
Mb, made it quickly yesterday before sleep
Didn't have much time
There might be bugs still idk
flint hull
flint hull
Ye but with a dh tank you can manage tho
pastel egret
So they dont walk as a union
pastel egret
Ye
after second boss
When tank is gathering and lining
is prolly a chance
but you would sacrifice stealth
Its prolly easier as other specs/classes
Because we need to wait for the non-stealth windows
flint hull
I'm a gambler
If I see 20 mobs stacked in chain sigil
Imma send fr
Doesn't matter when it happens
pastel egret
So fuck Subterfuge?
barren compass
you can get out of stealth
with gt
still trigger sub
btw
but yeah that shit is way harder to proc and use than in testing
find it real fun
funny thats the bug trinket
is the only trinket (to my knowledge) that doesnt ruin subterfuge when getting out of stealth
pastel egret
Hell ye bro
Even without BTE? 
flint hull
Int not to have bte up
flint hull
So you do BF BTE
I never said that
pastel egret
Is just assumption
flint hull
I just mean that I will try to grief right when the possibility present itself
pastel egret
Tome nerfed zac did you see that, maybe now its on par with boon 
But still not rooting you
flint hull
So whenever first pack aa chain sigils aree used, it's go time
barren compass
use before sigil proc or right after?
pastel egret
right after
Im so happy we found that out as a team, so everyone can have fun with their AOE Torch 
rigid totem
neltharus packs getting stacked before the chain boss dude=>torch tech
actually massive dam
stupid part are the frontals
thats a b@tch
rigid totem
ive tried 4 diff ways to walk by the packs
pastel egret
A bit annoying getting it to work there
rigid totem
tried stepping behind mobs infront of the casters then pressing torch
sprinted actually earlier to catch up
tried to backstrafe the frontals
ended on a tragedy
😅
tried to blind everything and torch
extra hits didnt go out
tried to sprint ove the biggest density of mobs and just press torch
it proced some but its not ideal
i think in order to work you kinda need to wait for tank to stack em up a bit
rigid totem
fickle root
i did it on av first boss 
pastel egret
How many hits?
fickle root
28 🤔
pastel egret
Thats fairly "low" but still like 6 million?
barren compass
logs?
pastel egret
Should have target a flower
But its hard to actually get it to work in a real scenario
especially with randoms
fickle root
no logs
rigid totem
im gonna play tonight some 10s and try to log them
just for the torch tech
but sin is slow
cant be as good as outlaw on this
quasi smelt
so sprint, no more jumping?
pastel egret
Ye Sprint or Grapple
quasi smelt
thx mate
inland bronze
That s one dungeon
definitly not needing nerfs
it s a onuse trinket that silence you for 10s coming from last mythic boss of a tier yea? oh wait not at all random low shit passiv dungeon trinket
yersteday someone from my guild told me about this thread btw. From secret tech to everyone knows 😠
fickle root
this
flint hull
Mb 
fickle root
extended maintenance to fix this
flint hull
No
Bro imagine it it's fixed on reset
Ranged world
We are just allowed to exist in it
inland bronze
i mean they buffed boomie because they re only middle of the pack
wow is a ranged game what are we doing on melee class. We cant play without accro
flint hull
So it does 5 hit
inland bronze
1 hit per target makes sens
flint hull
Each 134k
inland bronze
3 times
pastel egret
Ill go to academy
inland bronze
so no icd on the exposion part
flint hull
Oh I didn't see the link
flint hull
fickle root
looks normal
flint hull
Looks normal to me
pastel egret
and pull first area in academy
i died
flint hull
Bro just evasion
inland bronze
LOL
flint hull
pastel egret
im gathering them with mount
fickle root
242k crits in log, 280k crits in bis sim
inland bronze
probably scales with versa or something
inland bronze
torch bug without tricks to get aggro
easy
looking at the numbers it would explode easily just by passiv dmg taken
i think
pastel egret
This was on lasher
On mythic
tbf
the trinket is 489
in mythic 0
Is there a target dummy area with more than 5 ?
fickle root
what are you testing
pastel egret
ilvl
fickle root
i think we are good no
pastel egret
i wanted to test more than 5 target
fickle root
you did on this pull
pastel egret
I think the rays stop
will record it
ignore yapping in background
mate talked
Well i think its just 2 yard
will try it without target
tbh it seems target / Hit capped
fickle root
pastel egret
Or does it hit something on the dummies
fickle root
here it hit 7 targets at once
pastel egret
Ye i mean like Hits per beam
Because it always has lik 25 hits
YOu mean what i mean
fickle root
ye i dont think it caps at 5 tho
pastel egret
Like 5 hits per beam, which results in 25 hits
pastel egret
ye
i want to try it
i have my dh transfered
so i should be able to check if i can get more than 25 hits
nah
no more than 25 hits
for you solo
fickle root
flint hull
I managed this first pull academy
but ye
very hard in actual dungeons
tanks aint moving mob
so it doesnt work
uneven kelp
ye best i got was 6m in nelth last night
on first pull
mobs dont stack tight enough while moving
flint hull
my max is 27
was doing almost 100 on academy first pull when i was alone
doing the setup
stable fog
i wish i would've had that counter WA going for my 42milly cast
flint hull
stable fog
i wonder what it would've been
flint hull
you guys cant cheat using it alone
on academy
this is m+ only
fake will get deleted
stable fog
i was in a m+ group when it happened
stable fog
but we depleted 
fickle root
yes
pastel egret
did the tank trinket thing end up good
4-6 Million
uneven kelp
ohj
pastel egret
prolly with buffs etc. about 5-7?
uneven kelp
thats not that exciting
thats like a barely bugged grieftorch
not worth space in my brain
pastel egret
Ye but it makes you tanky
uneven kelp
i am on outlaw brother
i started almost getting 1 shot by things in keys at like the 11-12 range
so i started pressing feint again
and now my hp bar doesnt move again
gud spec
stable fog
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how "alternative to boon" are we talking here?
surely boon still pulls ahead ya?
fickle root
how "alternative to boon" are we talking here?
if boon does 4% at 8 target, plate does 3.2%
alternative if you cant be bothered to deal with boon
it's just 2nd place in dslice
ignoring torch fuckery
pastel egret
Log?
unkempt maple
Don’t have unlucky
pastel egret
Details?
unkempt maple
I took a photo with phone for a friend only that
Scuffed screenshot
During fight
pastel egret
So its yapping
pastel egret
I see
unkempt maple
Tool tip of trinket says 1.3mil if im not mistaken
Kinda worked if im not too cooked
It was a 10 tho
pastel egret
and only one use?
unkempt maple
Ye
No resets
And boon was kinda scuffed
Had to shadowstep to live
It did alot of damge visual looking at boss hp bar
Too much kinda
stable fog
no ambush, checks out to me
flint hull
Neltharus boss on charge
its just about chaining to multiple mobs tho
doesnt do anthing in st right
pastel egret
can you show hits
barren compass
its just about chaining to multiple mobs tho
it caan hit one mob quite a lot but yeah need a secondary target to work aat least in my testing
pastel egret
im certain it doesnt do anything in st
Thats why i want to see the hits
flint hull
wa or fake
rigid totem
https://clips.twitch.tv/SmallTubularLyrebirdYouWHY-OyPLLGRIUxjqi9py?aadasdfasdf
there is a high chance by next week u will have grieftorch gutted
rigid totem
ill feel sad coz uve put too much effort on tracking and demonstrating the bug by ur own rly
u should be reckongnized for that
that shit gonna get nuked with all the WAs and ppl yappin on discord
doesnt look good,hope im wrong
barren compass
if this get fixed and sp stay the same i'm not playin till tww
rigid totem
that would be fair tbh
barren compass
and maybe go fck blizzard and not play tww
rigid totem
blizzard infamous of killing anything thats fun
ppl having fun exploiting bugs
its like asking for it 😉
barren compass
if they fixed more annoying on outlaw i wouldnt mind
but in the current state would be scandalous
stable fog
Ill write Blizzard a letter if they fix this before nerfing tome
the funny part is
they will "fix" tome and it will still do more overall than bugged torch 
pastel egret
its not like you get it consistent
in real keys
you only get it consistent in test area
and even there it varies
a lot
spice heath
is it at the same time as the channel or just channel right after
ionic beacon
mobs have to be moving and player has to be moving fast I think is the conclusion
spice heath
Yeah was curious if you do the channel before or after your own movement
pastel egret
We dot after pressing Sprint/Grapple
ionic beacon
Yeah was curious if you do the channel before or after your own movement
I think its like same time, idk theres some videos above
you want to press it while in motion I believe
spice heath
I think its like same time, idk theres some videos above
pov you've been doing this in patch just for style points not realizing it was causing something
fickle root
barren compass
woooo
fickle root
ye
pastel egret
And im doubting thst they will fix it at all
fickle root
wtf
inland bronze
Not 43m tho :(
flint hull
fickle root
we failed
geez you ever get the worst luck imaginable
75% ADR uptime on a very standard boss
flint hull
skill issue
inland bronze
i hope on fyrak tanks will make golems moving during add phase 
pastel egret
75% ADR uptime on a very standard boss
Thst Was my rashok last week
pastel egret
i hope on fyrak tanks will make golems moving during add phase <:PogO:1160145144...
Should be fairly easy on larodar
inland bronze
Should be fairly easy on larodar <:monkahmm:585734084571955211>
idk, my tanks are lazy they just move 2 steps at a time
pastel egret
inland bronze
i wish torch was usable on priest, i would just grab out my tank and jump levitate using torch ezclap setup
drifting cedar
i assume its doable on vdh aswell
with backflip
and thats why yoda is playing torch now
inland bronze
as tank you decide when u kite
is he abusing it or?
how can he know about it
🇳 🇩 🅰️
pastel egret
DNA 
inland bronze
Cant abuse it if you re stuck in valdrakken lfg
pastel egret
True
inland bronze
fk tanks not moving. Fuck palprot consecration mecanic. Fk it 😠
fickle root
just have the tank also use torch
inland bronze
apparenly DH knows about the use
ionic beacon
I think guardian is the best to abuse it
Oh do they just charge?
inland bronze
yea
specially vdh are using torch themselves and just backflip torch (which apparently trigger the bug for them x))
robust garden
Any slowfall tryers?
rigid totem
couldnt make it work,didnt find any situation tbh
fickle root
spill issue
barren compass
spaguetti issue
rigid totem
spaguetti issue
alfredo
pastel egret
spill issue
I mean its actually a spill issue
unkempt maple
Oh do they just charge?
My friend vortex into kite into grief
And vortex dragging mobs back bugs the shit out of it
inland bronze
it s so touuuuuuuugh to make it works in dungeon wihtout voicechat tbh
i just sprint and pray now
pastel egret
Thats why i think, this doesnt get fixed
ionic beacon
is this troll or...
ionic beacon
hmm
I just dont have great hotkeys for doing grapple into trinket
grapple is X and trinket is alt + e
ill test it out see if it ever fails
maybe it just works lol
pastel egret
Well as DH tank i can force it
relatively easy
But yeah
maybe in the future
fickle root
ionic beacon
lol
rigid totem
is this troll or...
not rly,its fine,its just cursor macros is good for traps and aoe spells and stuff like that
idk,never tried cursor macros for anything relative to rogue
uneven kelp
its def a hard thing to abuse in keys
i managed to get a 6m torch in a academy
and a 4.5m one in nelth
but stuff just doesnt stack tight enough
still expecting 10m torches when even if u do 5m torch u basically doubled torches value
unkempt maple
Boys if you have blacksmithing start abusing forge masters shield with grieftorch in neltharus
Insane results
ionic beacon
u just need sprint
oh really?
almost every video of it uses grapple
I havent seen anyone do it with just sprint
unkempt maple
u can do it with sprint only mewo
rigid totem
I havent seen anyone do it with just sprint
im stepping/sprinting for the most part
it doesnt always do many hits but once u get used to it
u get some juice at least
ionic beacon
Yeah ill just sprint grapple and prayge
havent even used it in a key yet Im still catching up the rogue
so behind this season
rigid totem
im also playing sin,so i dont have grapple 😛
inland bronze
is this troll or...
i mean, just press sprint
i ve done a 28m torch on uldaman first pull today, and a "only" 21m on algathar first pull
i ve to get the habit of pressing torch first instead of boon i think if i know i can profit
ionic beacon
so you just spring and press it while moving?
thtas pretty trivial
Im def in the habit of pressing bando before torch cuz I can press it during my first crackshot
ionic beacon
idk if thats a dps loss or not maybe I should hold for when my first crackshotwindowis over
inland bronze
i think pressing torch with the bug in crackshot window is not even that bad
tbh
if u can get a 20m+ torch
flint hull
bro wdy m
its always worth
if you have a window of opportunity to do it
and you know you will do it
do it
fuck subterfuge bro
grief is 9 hits right
if you do it in aoe like that
you get between 20 and 90 hits
at worse you double the damage
at best its like 9 free uses
inland bronze
Also it s good to torch dps check
BH totem, AV shards, Ulda totem
it s torch everyday, our only burst
unkempt maple
Little over then months ago it was bomb dispenser bomb dispenser what happend boys
Me and zeross yapping about torch surely
Best trinket ever made for m+ content especially in pug envoirment the bug abuse is just icing on a cake
Imagine having grieftorch on iridikron
U would never swap to sub
inland bronze
Tbf, looking at intell trinkets, the torch bug should be in game and not a bug anymore
inland bronze
U would never swap to sub
i mean just get a sp and mindcontrol so you have infinite time in p2 wtf, it s sp meta since S1 DF
unkempt maple
tranquil sleet
Delete this thread brother
old plover
? Im just here for narvas’s log review
inland bronze
nice gameplay
pastel egret
btw i have a theory why Grieftorch might bug it
Maybe it was supposed to do Area dmg with the splashes, but if you stand still the fire projectiles jsut the enemy you are casting it on. But with the movement, the projectlies are spreaded and "hit the ground" and splash
unkempt maple
Might be tira but id say its nothing of the above not even sprint or grappling just purely blizzard code derping
Because i had situations where i bugged it out not even trying to and i also had those when you try to force it and nothing happens
wheat creek
I'm able to get a large amount of grieftorch hits by jumping, does grappling cancel the channel or is that a waste to have grapple for the channel?
flint hull
you grapple before
otherwise it will cancel ye
i find it easier to grapple, i think in the end the result is the same idk
between jumping sprinting etc
inland bronze
it is the same from all testing we ve done with tira
old plover
love to see it
pastel egret
@ionic beacon Still there
pastel egret
@inland bronze
ionic beacon
and its back
pastel egret
Any breachers??
sly herald
oh i was already here but didn't read i got them to break the NDA
inland bronze
i dont tell anyone cuz i dont wanna repeat myself 36 times a day, but solo told me no more NDA blizzard talk or idk, but freedom
pastel egret
i dont tell anyone cuz i dont wanna repeat myself 36 times a day, but solo told ...
I dont understand what you are sayin
sly herald
thanks for breaking the NDA now i have to explain how this works to my tank 
inland bronze
Since they re DH it s fine they themselves backflip torch
drifting cedar
Since they re DH it s fine they themselves backflip torch <:kekdog:9072070377572...
isnt backflip a gcd
how they doin that
drifting cedar
did that get changed with rework or smth
drifting cedar
im checking myself jesus
flint hull
I dont play dh
drifting cedar
u trippin
drifting cedar
so how them tanks do it then
drifting cedar
oh
flint hull
its not on the gcd itself
inland bronze
ur a gcd
fickle root
Wtf
fickle root
molten knot
NDA means "never disclosed anything" in the outlaw channel apparently