narvas. - Log Review

[tepid light]

Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

[pastel egret]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bJyG4LFxPpm36zQw#fight=53&type=damage-done&source=1

The Grieftorch bug testing

[rigid totem]

wdym by bug testing

[pastel egret]

We figured out, by having mobs stacked, moving and you as caster being in air

Triggers additional hits

[barren compass]

means we get it consistantly

[inland bronze]

We tried to replicate the bug as much as possible and we kinda get it consistently

[rigid totem]

oh nice!thats so cool

on it!

[inland bronze]

As tira said, it looks like it s mostly due to target + caster moving

[fickle root]

@native oyster

[barren compass]

@flint hull

[fickle root]

jumping?

[barren compass]

yep

airtime

[fickle root]

are u sure

[inland bronze]

Yes

[pastel egret]

Ye air time

[barren compass]

yes

[inland bronze]

Air time is a part of it for sure

[barren compass]

solo we did it !!!! understand and replicate :p

[rigid totem]

where do i actually find a replay

or its not recorded

[pastel egret]

Replay

[fickle root]

now we hide this thread from prying eyes

[rigid totem]

wait no

i need to udnerstand

[inland bronze]

We all need answers

[pastel egret]

Maybe my shadowplay has soemthing saved

[inland bronze]

i wish Tira

[flint hull]

[pastel egret]

I pressed to late

[barren compass]

thats without bte buff

x)

[rigid totem]

is this where we search for extra hits https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:J2tfmvgPxb6LGnzk#fight=1&view=events

[flint hull]

Bro delete this thread

[rigid totem]

why

are we scared of nerfs

[flint hull]

We taking this to the grave

They nerfed all our trinkets

[barren compass]

xD

[flint hull]

We need this to compete

I can finally beat my tank

[rigid totem]

💀

[flint hull]

First pull AA

[inland bronze]

🧑‍🍳

[barren compass]

its not a rogue thing btw

[inland bronze]

Zac now we ll have to teach tanks to not move during boon but to move toward us during torch

[barren compass]

so most melee can do stuff now

[rigid totem]

hahahahahahahah

mfkers be movin

[inland bronze]

idk Aki we didnt try on other classes, but from what we tried it s not only rogue related

but maybe spaghetti code made rogue air time different

[barren compass]

teach tehm to chain + kite towar us for torch

[fickle root]

only rogues can jump. it is known

[barren compass]

its a pathfinding bug for sure

[inland bronze]

^

[barren compass]

so otherclasse should be able to replicate

[rigid totem]

im trying to spot extra hits

showcase

plz

[barren compass]

not get bte buff

but still

[inland bronze]

it s in events section nah?

[rigid totem]

thats what i thought i took 1st one and trying to count how many hits are there

but i cant figure out the extra ones

[barren compass]

your suppose to hit 9 time

• chains on a big pack wich is like less 20 most of the time

[rigid totem]

9+x is any bugged attributed hit

[fickle root]

well, it's 9 hits with a small chance to chain to like 12-15

[rigid totem]

okok

[barren compass]

but range of chains is really small

so anything above 30 is probably bugging

it should work on bosses with add phase too

[pastel egret]

The target died

becasue it was heroic

[rigid totem]

that looked like alot more than 9

[barren compass]

didnt seem to work on only 1 target

[inland bronze]

yea no bugged we were ussually doing 12 to 18 hits at most

[rigid totem]

i think thats like 30

49 hits registered

yes delete the post

😂

[inland bronze]

we got couple of 60+ hits on details

[barren compass]

😂

[pastel egret]

biggest hit

i got

[rigid totem]

[barren compass]

still without bte

lololol

[rigid totem]

[rigid totem]

completely balanced,nothings wrong

dear mods,we can close this thread

😅

[barren compass]

succes achiev : discovering then replicating a beneficial bug :p

thanks to all of you who helped

[rigid totem]

realz gonna gut torch like fish fillet

[inland bronze]

i still think there is a missing part to do even more

[barren compass]

yeah i do too

but will play with tank

and see from there

[rigid totem]

like minmaxing the extra hit proc rate

[inland bronze]

yea

[barren compass]

terrain + sprint

for more airtime

[inland bronze]

yea sprint + jump for max air time for sure for sure

[barren compass]

but there is probably more to do

[rigid totem]

airborne griefers

[inland bronze]

IMAGINE

IT WORKS WITH RESCUE

[rigid totem]

[barren compass]

need to be aligned still

[inland bronze]

Rescue becoming an offensiv external

[barren compass]

so will see how thats usable or if it works

[rigid totem]

priest grip

[pastel egret]

Now

[barren compass]

yep

[rigid totem]

[inland bronze]

Thought about priest grip but that would cancel the cast nah?

[pastel egret]

we need to trigger it in Neltharus when mobs are gathered and stunned

[inland bronze]

Rescue wont

[pastel egret]

and getting 100% more dmg

[fickle root]

not if it relies on mobs moving

[barren compass]

stunned mob dont move

[pastel egret]

oh yeah true

[inland bronze]

[pastel egret]

well

need to time sigil

[inland bronze]

[rigid totem]

[inland bronze]

Cant ask to much to vdh players let s be honest

[barren compass]

iits time to learn tank how to tank now

[inland bronze]

Oops that was toxic 🤭

[pastel egret]

[rigid totem]

dont tell @potent copper though,he might read all this

[pastel egret]

CC chaining as VDH is actually a skill you need to learn

Like placing your fear at 0.5seconds of silence

so mobs get interrupted right after casting

[rigid totem]

btw is this a new found bug or it exists since s1

[pastel egret]

Im not sure

i remembered

[fickle root]

it has apparently existed before

[pastel egret]

i had a similar bug on sennarth

in the very first season

[inland bronze]

in S1 we couldnt really move while torching tho

[rigid totem]

interesting

[pastel egret]

sennarth ice puddles

[fickle root]

u could still cast it while jumping

[rigid totem]

if thats the case then it surely is related to changing in casting while moving

provided we would be able to cast it only while jumping

[fickle root]

does it stop working as soon as you are no longer airborne?

[barren compass]

it does seems so yes

[rigid totem]

it stops once a mob dies or the cast bar expires,its not like its a long cast

[inland bronze]

it does seem to stop instantly yea, that s how we sometimes get the bug midcast

[rigid totem]

ah i c now

cool cool

so,no matter the cast time,it surely fires more hits while we are airborne

and stops once we touch ground

cool cool

[inland bronze]

That s why on the clip tira sent, we try to jump from higher to maximise airtime

which worked, apparently

[rigid totem]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:J2tfmvgPxb6LGnzk#fight=1&view=timeline&type=damage-done here is shown as 75+ similar events

[pastel egret]

So make sure to jump and run while pressing grieftorch

[rigid totem]

For science 🤝

[flint hull]

So

Do you just

Do it while grappling

For maximum mometum

Or what

Drive by torching

Omg img

[barren compass]

doesnt grappling interrupt the channel?

[fickle root]

it would stop working when grapple is over apparently

[flint hull]

Grapple first

[flint hull]

Grapple last longer than a jump tho no?

[barren compass]

not sprint + jump

idk

[fickle root]

idk

[barren compass]

its close

but sprint + jump

you can go on box or small hill

[pastel egret]

Gonna try it

just for you

[barren compass]

and gain airtime

and mobs have to move toward you

[potent copper]

Ok wtf looking up Stones and cliffs rn to do drive by sprint gapple griefs

[barren compass]

so it require good setup

[potent copper]

Priest grip?

Torch off CD priest grip me

[barren compass]

rescue and grip didnt test

grip then rescue

and you become a plane bombarding

[rigid totem]

will have to name the combo

''9/11''

[barren compass]

x)

[rigid totem]

sounds so poggers

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@flint hull

This was the first try

[rigid totem]

59

[barren compass]

wait

you didnt jump

grapple just activates it

[pastel egret]

ye

[flint hull]

So what

Did this work or

I have no idea what I'm looking at

[barren compass]

it did

[pastel egret]

did you look at the video

[potent copper]

59 hits it worked

[barren compass]

59 hit

[rigid totem]

59 torch hits

ofc it did

[barren compass]

better than jumping

[pastel egret]

it 12 million

[flint hull]

[pastel egret]

dmg

[barren compass]

easier to align

[flint hull]

Drive by torch??

[barren compass]

that huge

[flint hull]

BANGER BRO

[potent copper]

me as im torching rn

[barren compass]

and i didnt take the awakened torch

still got normal 😢

[rigid totem]

u are welcome for that random tag btw

[pastel egret]

another clip inc

[barren compass]

so sad rn

[fickle root]

so it didnt stop when grapple ended

[rigid totem]

[barren compass]

yeah

[potent copper]

Ok so

Grapple -> press torch -> win?

[rigid totem]

yup

[barren compass]

in front of mob moving toward you

but yes

[potent copper]

F

[inland bronze]

GUYS WE RE OWNING MAKE OUTLAW GREAT AGAIN NOW

(but not too much or nerfhammer)

[fickle root]

as soon as this appears in a r1 streamed key it's joever

lol

[barren compass]

yeah 😢

[pastel egret]

Jumping into grapple and insta use of torch

The most important part is

To take a target what is in the middle of the pack

[rigid totem]

thats alot of dmg

12mil

[pastel egret]

without any buffs

[rigid totem]

yeah

[pastel egret]

Like not even BTE

[barren compass]

x)

thats gonna be so broken

[fickle root]

can try like

try a grapple that is as minimal as possible

[pastel egret]

so very short

[fickle root]

ye

[inland bronze]

@pastel egret

[fickle root]

macro grapple into torch

[inland bronze]

so grap into torch better than jumping?

[barren compass]

x)

[rigid totem]

does torch benefit from haste

[fickle root]

no

[barren compass]

jump into grap into torch

[rigid totem]

[pastel egret]

Ye

that worked

[inland bronze]

i tried many more times on dummy the last 5mn, still not working so mob movement is really important. I confirm that

[fickle root]

[inland bronze]

jump hook torch

🧑‍🍳

[pastel egret]

Cant replicate on dummies

so mobs need to move ye

[rigid totem]

gonna abuse this to no end

in a very

responsible way ofc

😅

imagine getting resets with outlaw cdr

ill be begging ppl to suicide

[inland bronze]

dont have record but just done the jump hook torch

i mean it s 20s cd still but on some packs it might actually be good to suicide people for that

That s so easy to replicate... alone... Now need tank movements

[pastel egret]

Well next week should be easy

You are always in combat

and use torch while tank gathers

[inland bronze]

2 tries 2 success

[pastel egret]

Ye its very consistent with grapple

[inland bronze]

it s weird that it keeps airtime momentum after the hook tho

@pastel egret did we find out of the targetted mob really have to walk toward us or can he walk in any direction?

[pastel egret]

Not really no

lets test that rq

[flint hull]

Bro I can't wait to do keys tonight

I'm so hyped

Ty tira

I was depressed

Now I'm happy again

[inland bronze]

[rigid totem]

21mil dmg

[inland bronze]

@rigid totem that s as much as a passiv int trinket, it s fair :)

[drifting cedar]

yo

I dont want to take credit but uh

nah nice finding it out though

Anyone report it yet?

[pastel egret]

Censis grieftorch

So steps to make it work

||1. Mobs need to move||
||2. Target a mob in the middle||
||3. Grapple and instantly cast GT||
||4. Profit||

[flint hull]

I will report you bro

[flint hull]

Delete this

Too much details

[inland bronze]

Yea i ll write steps myself

1. target a mob
2. Cast GT
3. Pray for lucky hits

[flint hull]

This is our only chance of staying relevant in m+ against the spriests overlords

No one leaving this thread without signing the NDA

[inland bronze]

Zac we cant compete again SP they do 988k overall, we can maybe take out aug/mage spot tho

[flint hull]

Who tf didn't sign

I see you

[rigid totem]

bro my mage trinkets do like 12-14mil max

[inland bronze]

why is no below

[rigid totem]

and its 528 btw

(bel one)

[flint hull]

You mean above

It's to make sure you read everything

[inland bronze]

i ve seen lot of people complaining today about tome doing low dmg, maybe shadownerfed?

[drifting cedar]

zac

im reporting it but they’ll never fix it

[inland bronze]

yeayea zac dw i ve read everything i didnt change my vote yepyep

[drifting cedar]

So we have plausible deniability

just like kir bug frfr

[rigid totem]

u know what

bury the thread

imo

zac was right

[inland bronze]

i d agree

[drifting cedar]

im prob not playing rogue so yall do your thing

but I would recommend reporting it

since its just the right thing to do

[flint hull]

Bro

[drifting cedar]

highly doubt it gets fixed

[flint hull]

What

I will ban you tim

No one reporting it

!

[pastel egret]

So

We need a Mage

to die on CD

So we can do uncapped dmg

[drifting cedar]

Nah i wont

Ill leave you guys with this ethical quandary

hope you do the right thing

[pastel egret]

@flint hull Tiem changed since he joined fotm

[drifting cedar]

real

[pastel egret]

We can slowly see you changing tiem

The Spriest

Is taking your sanity

[drifting cedar]

its my only option rn brother

every melee is ass

prob playing ww if sub isnt changed and law keeps the uptime style next xpac

[pastel egret]

@inland bronze Gonna try it now with shadowstep

[inland bronze]

cook to know if that works but i think i d keep step for boon as the 2nd trinket i ll press

[drifting cedar]

Why is it only grapple though

jumping doesnt work

?

[inland bronze]

jumping does but you lose the bug kinda when u touch the ground

while for some reason hook keep you in bug stance

[drifting cedar]

Alrightie then

[flint hull]

BRO IM SO HYPED

GETTING OFF FROM WORK IN 15 MIN

DONT FIX TOO FAST

[drifting cedar]

zac genuinely

Even if reported

This shit seems so beyond fucked

Aint getting fixed that fast

[pastel egret]

Its also very good for RLP first boss

[flint hull]

Hehehe

[inland bronze]

ZAc i m happy we gave you some faith on rogue but dont stress it too much

i still want zacowo as a tank

[drifting cedar]

Ok

Nuke the thread?

Or?

[inland bronze]

That s just padding tho

[drifting cedar]

Better than the ret pala

divine storm doesnt do prio dmg

[pastel egret]

@inland bronze

Shadowstep doesnt work

[inland bronze]

???????????????????????

[rigid totem]

[pastel egret]

But just sprinting

does the job too

[inland bronze]

??????????????????????

sprint + torch is enough??????????????????

[pastel egret]

ye

[inland bronze]

no jump no hook?????????????????

[fickle root]

the thread is not nuked but the original msg is gone

[inland bronze]

This is so wrong

[rigid totem]

did u try bte-ing

[flint hull]

No one knows how to access a thread

[rigid totem]

the crit/norm ratio kinda sus

[flint hull]

It's hidden enough

Hehehe

[drifting cedar]

[fickle root]

@edgy veldt

[edgy veldt]

Sup

[fickle root]

state your reason for being in here

🔪

[edgy veldt]

just a sec

[drifting cedar]

bro people from cwow reddit started dm’ing me

[edgy veldt]

there you go

[fickle root]

[edgy veldt]

Just following the tests

[drifting cedar]

No snitching

Only snitch to blizzard

Not to the other goons

[rigid totem]

ill follow a test on you if ''spread'' a test around ❤️

[drifting cedar]

cba having another er bug fiasco

[edgy veldt]

No words out ofc

it wouldnt be in my interest to speak out either way x)

[pastel egret]

@inland bronze Sprinting is enough

[inland bronze]

to me just sprinting doesnt work

hmmm

[rigid totem]

[pastel egret]

make sure to target the right enemy

[drifting cedar]

“How do I do gt bug”
“why does my gt bug not work”
”is outlaw bad if you dont use gt bug”

[rigid totem]

u are a candidate for cementation

lul

[inland bronze]

OK

Just sprinting works

🤙

[drifting cedar]

nahrrr

[rigid totem]

u never knew anything dude

[drifting cedar]

How much do the mobs need to move

[pastel egret]

I mean tbf

GT bug

isnt as obvious

as someone spamming 50 SNDs in a row

[drifting cedar]

like is it something you have to communicate with tank

[pastel egret]

Kinda

Mobs need to move

[drifting cedar]

and using on pull or while he sigils isnt good enough?

[rigid totem]

this fits perfectly for BH 1st pull tbh

warscouts moving around

[pastel egret]

As long as the Target is moving and centered

and you have momentum from Sprint and grapple

@inland bronze But thats why my Moun t jumping and GT did so much damage

Because Mount speed jump momentun

[edgy veldt]

could we do some dragonride shenanigans in nokhud maybe ?

[potent copper]

dismount mid-air and torch

[pastel egret]

doubt

[potent copper]

Wait if this isn't a bug its just the secret tech

[pastel egret]

Packs arent stacked enough

i think

[barren compass]

optimal setup is after chains sigil and tank make mob move for a bit

the stacking part is important and range is low

[inland bronze]

dont forget something important

The random cleave part is small, need mobs to be almost pixel perfect stacked

[rigid totem]

gather patrols to the totem packs=>sprint and torch

could be pretty spicy though

[potent copper]

hmm

tried to do this in an AA12 now couldnt get it off once

[flint hull]

Noob

[potent copper]

maybe need to grapple further

I tried to be in front, facing mobs, targetting something moving in mid

[pastel egret]

Do you have a clip

[potent copper]

nah

[inland bronze]

i tried with a palprot and he answered me "i cant move from consecr dude"

so didnt have one

[flint hull]

is that bugged or normal use

[barren compass]

bugged

[flint hull]

how many hits is normal use

i dont even know

[barren compass]

9

[flint hull]

wtf

[barren compass]

and up to 20 in first pull algethar

[flint hull]

ok that was so easy to do actually

banger

[pastel egret]

Ye

[flint hull]

ok its actually so easy to trigger

its so over

[pastel egret]

Ye it is

Very consistent and easy

[flint hull]

hm

i didnt one that didnt work

gg

spriest is back

[fickle root]

@uneven kelp btw

torch bug has been cracked

[uneven kelp]

ohno

[barren compass]

we cooking

[flint hull]

wdym ohno

oh yes

[fickle root]

u have to cast it while airborne/during grapple and with targets moving towards you (?)

[flint hull]

i think its just you have to have momentum

[uneven kelp]

[flint hull]

sprint work tira said

[uneven kelp]

so like while springing and jumping forward grieftorch

[barren compass]

yes spriny without jumping or moving works

its weird

[flint hull]

and targets need to be stacked

cause very small

aoe thing

[barren compass]

moving target

towards you still ? can't test

[pastel egret]

target needs to move

and you need momentum

Its hard to get it work in actual keys

especially with DK

[barren compass]

you need a tank who knows to kite for you

but yeah dk isnt ideal

[pastel egret]

#1237037697168703497 message

[fickle root]

wdym momentum

[inland bronze]

@flint hull 9 hits is normal ST hit, everything up to 16-18 hits is random cleave chance normal, above 20 it s already bugged

[pastel egret]

momentum like sprint and grapple

[drifting cedar]

I genuinely feel like torch already does more damage on aoe

[fickle root]

so not just moving but moving quickly...?

[drifting cedar]

if you use grapple

even if mobs aint moving

[inland bronze]

Also yes it s easy to trigger alone, but in actual key u need the tank to move adds during your GT which is the big issue

[pastel egret]

Ye, iirc the bug wasnt consistent when you move normal

Censi walked normal and didnt get the bug

[barren compass]

so jump + grapple is the way to go

[inland bronze]

not necessary toward you, regarding our test with tira

[pastel egret]

Sprint works too

[fickle root]

no way in hell this is getting fixed even if we announce it to the sky

[drifting cedar]

yerp

[pastel egret]

Its very fuckery

[rigid totem]

plz dont pass it around

[drifting cedar]

idk man

its a bit too fuckery for me

[fickle root]

they are not investigating this lmao

[drifting cedar]

riding a fine line on exploiting with it

[barren compass]

pliz wait 1 week so i can test it with mythic gt

[drifting cedar]

not to start the whole er bug = exploit thing again

but this is a lil sus

[fickle root]

oh for sure this bordering on exploit territory

[uneven kelp]

as long as the exploit isnt gamebreaking then blizzard doesnt rlly care

exploit is just a loaded term

makes people feel bad

it certainly is an exploit ye

[barren compass]

i mean if i get ban for this

thats just another achiev

[flint hull]

?

[rigid totem]

thats 100% that has me thinking

[flint hull]

i hjust accidentally move during grief

they let me move

[rigid totem]

cant imagine getting banned for such a thing

[flint hull]

why wouldnt I

[barren compass]

blizzard angry they can't stop me

[flint hull]

im not exploiting

[uneven kelp]

i just accidently jump 360 grapple everytime i hit grieftorch

its just a habit i have guys

[barren compass]

would make me laugh

[flint hull]

yes issue?

looks cool

[uneven kelp]

how was i supposed to know my torch wasnt supposed to do 20m damage per use

???????

[drifting cedar]

it is also natural to ask the tank to kite packs when my grieftorch is up

every key

[barren compass]

ofc

[rigid totem]

[inland bronze]

inb4 they ll nerf it before a single metaspec or tome nerfs

look at that

[pastel egret]

It works with normal sprint too

[drifting cedar]

sad they removed outlaw interacting with tome

it kinda worked

[pastel egret]

Like its not unsual to start sprinting and casting grief

[barren compass]

yeah

[pastel egret]

Its still less obvious

than ER bug

[barren compass]

wait for us to parse in raid with this

[drifting cedar]

on what

[pastel egret]

You couldnt trigger ER Bug by accident

[barren compass]

any boss with adds?

[potent copper]

sark p2 obv

duh

permakite

[drifting cedar]

bosses aint moving

[pastel egret]

Well

Diurna

Add group

[drifting cedar]

i guess that works ye

[pastel egret]

and Raszageth

[potent copper]

also like permastacked as well

[pastel egret]

intermission adds

[barren compass]

it will be obvious at that point

but gl to analyze log x)

[pastel egret]

Again, ER Bug you couldnt accidentely press 50 snds

Moving with sprint or grapple and pressing grief torch

[drifting cedar]

grieftorch role when?

[pastel egret]

is more likely to happen naturally

[drifting cedar]

[uneven kelp]

yes

which is why i doubt itll be an issue

unless ur finding a way to make the bug 1 shot bosses

or kill the whole dungeon

nobody is gunna get banned for this

anymore then they could for er bug

u can actually activate this by accident

[pastel egret]

its 8-16 million dmg

Split between mobs

so

you wont on shot anythign

[uneven kelp]

so roughly 4-8X the base value of the trinket use

which is alot

tbf

[pastel egret]

ye

[uneven kelp]

maybe a little less in aoe, 3-6X the normal damage of it

[barren compass]

fixing it is either really easy

or stance impossible

[inland bronze]

They ll just delete torch and call it a day

or worse, nerfed it s dmg by 80%

[barren compass]

probably

[pastel egret]

Nerfing it now

Would be a dick move

After people spend buillon

[inland bronze]

yep

they re stuck on fixing it which wont happen

[uneven kelp]

does that mean I shouldnt attempt to use this bug when in dungeons with some of my guildies who may or may not work for blizzard

or should i do it even harder as a challenge

[fickle root]

look at mr. famous here with blizzard guildies

[uneven kelp]

i mean theres blizzard guildies all over

doesnt mean its the main guys

but they all yap

i hear yapping all the time

[barren compass]

x) can you wait a few days ?

then take it as a challenge

[flint hull]

first pack ulda

worked a bit i think

[uneven kelp]

is that 1 cast

[flint hull]

ye

[uneven kelp]

yea it definitly worked a bit

thats only like 3X the damage a normal use is supposed to do

😠

[flint hull]

[errant swan]

Does distance to the mobs matter or is it only your momentum? If one were to have grapple on CD when attempting this

[flint hull]

wdym

grapple on cd

thats not possible

[uneven kelp]

^

[fickle root]

dont think distance matters

[uneven kelp]

grapple cd is 5s

[flint hull]

if you are asking about sub

im sorry

[uneven kelp]

id probably just hold torch

[flint hull]

sub cant

[uneven kelp]

if its that consistent

tbh

this bug kinda nasty

[flint hull]

its been proven

sub cant do the bug

[errant swan]

nah i could, but it was worse

I only got like 10M rather than the 23M i saw here

[flint hull]

you can sprint

[fickle root]

think it depends on mob distance from each other

a bit

[uneven kelp]

all of us acting like this is ok or makes any sense in the world anyway

that momentum causes a trinket to do 3X its base damage

who made this item

this game even

[fickle root]

scarizard made this item

[uneven kelp]

nvm that explains it

[fickle root]

LMAO

[drifting cedar]

wtf

[barren compass]

no most class can i believe

[drifting cedar]

sub cf invasion

[barren compass]

you just don't have bte buff

[drifting cedar]

[barren compass]

vers + crit stacking

[pastel egret]

THE CAN

[flint hull]

no

they cant

[drifting cedar]

they can sprint

innit

[barren compass]

you can do it with jumping

wdym

how can other class can't do it

[errant swan]

Ye but i only seemed to get it to like 10M when i tried it like in the vids above here

[errant swan]

Dw i signed the NDA above

[barren compass]

yeah cause you don't have as good of a scaling

outlaw buff goes stonk

[uneven kelp]

haha yea get outscaled

[errant swan]

10% more vers and crit aint gonna give 150% more damage

[uneven kelp]

tfw my secondaries dont give me damage but they do let me abuse bugged trinkets to a further degree

🥹

[barren compass]

well how many crit ?

cause as outlaw you get 90%

on 60 ticks

[uneven kelp]

no shot law isnt like 20% more vers and 40% more crit then sub

with bte and our stat weights

[errant swan]

Posts above had like 45% crit

[barren compass]

so thats already a lot

• a bit more vers for sure

[flint hull]

its more about the number of hits tho

[barren compass]

number of hits * crit * vers

[errant swan]

Yes thats why im asking

Why i seem to get fewer hits

[flint hull]

brbr

gonna try

just sprinting

[barren compass]

less mob

[fickle root]

it depends on mob stacking i think

[barren compass]

maybe not stacked well enough

aoe chain is really small

[fickle root]

but it's possible grapple is the only way to bug it out completely for the full channel

[errant swan]

If youre just gonna be passively agressive and not helpful please dont respond ty

[barren compass]

i wasnt

it just that during testing we didnt have tank

and realized stacking pixel perfect had a huge effect

[flint hull]

ez

just sprint jumping

[errant swan]

Jumping during or before

Like start the cast mid air or jump during

[barren compass]

jump + grap

or just sprint seems to work

[pastel egret]

during

[fickle root]

is there a clip with just sprint?

[pastel egret]

ye

i think i poosted

[fickle root]

not the falling stairs

[flint hull]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2138967320?t=00h27m57s

[fickle root]

what about sprint with no jumping

[flint hull]

ok

[drifting cedar]

zac exposing ts

[flint hull]

easiest shit bro

[uneven kelp]

so is it literally just be moving fast with mobs stacked right during the use

[barren compass]

yes

with mobs stacked and moving

[drifting cedar]

also mobs moving though

[flint hull]

[fickle root]

lmao

[flint hull]

why is twitch bad

always

https://clips.twitch.tv/EnergeticHyperSpaghettiDendiFace-QPc8pnmPi7egPEOu?aqe

here @fickle root

this was really hard to clip

twitch sucks

[pastel egret]

oh yeah, i didnt record it

[fickle root]

[flint hull]

[fickle root]

reported to blizzard hotfixed in 23 hours

[barren compass]

😢

[pastel egret]

In Neltharus

its almost impossible

[flint hull]

???

[pastel egret]

so many casts

[flint hull]

YOU SIGNED THE NDA

[regal pond]

So this bug has more ways to proc it than just sprint/grapple fwiw

It should, in theory, work with disengage as well for example

[pastel egret]

Ye

Dash

DH jump

[barren compass]

war jump probably

[pastel egret]

Fel rush

[regal pond]

Well felrush and jump are on GCD

So probably not

[flint hull]

no way you are spreading it around

its gonna get nerfed so fast

[barren compass]

they can do it jumping anyway

[flint hull]

outlaw dead again

[regal pond]

[flint hull]

I knew guy was an opp

[barren compass]

not as good but airtime works

[fickle root]

[flint hull]

@fickle root ban him

[regal pond]

I mean people know about it

[uneven kelp]

oh god

[regal pond]

I'm getting multiple pings in the wowhead creator channels asking about it

[uneven kelp]

you know

[regal pond]

Word is already out

[barren compass]

they don't know how

[flint hull]

NO SHOT

[uneven kelp]

they are just gunna make it so grief roots u again

right guys

[flint hull]

IF WOWHEAD ARTICLE

[uneven kelp]

they dont need to fix the bug

[flint hull]

I LOSE MY MIND

[uneven kelp]

thats all they need to do to fix it

[flint hull]

[uneven kelp]

its so easy

[fickle root]

we got secret opps in here speading the tech

[flint hull]

ok listen guy

[regal pond]

There wont be an article but like, people know

LOL

[fickle root]

this thread was public for like 18 minutes

[flint hull]

ranged are so op

and they have their trinket

the tome thing

we need this

[barren compass]

agreed

[regal pond]

I mean ppl in my guild have known about it for a few days

Just not that it was repeatable

[pastel egret]

[regal pond]

I just said "yeah its random afaik"

[pastel egret]

They lurking

[flint hull]

ye everyone knew but

no one knew how to do it

[barren compass]

but being repeatable is the whole point

[uneven kelp]

i mean this is cursed because

they probably cant fix the bug itself

so they will just make torch root u again

and the bug is solved

[barren compass]

no

jump + grapple should work

or just jump

[uneven kelp]

if u cant cast it while moving how would that work

[barren compass]

just jumping is less effective

[fickle root]

i thought we established jumping alone is not enough

[barren compass]

it is

maybe i was moving but i'm pretty sure i wasnt some jump and it did work

[pastel egret]

Falling

Is triggering it

[barren compass]

yeah

[pastel egret]

JUmping is incosistent

You need Sprint or grapple

[barren compass]

jumping alone is less effective for sure

[fickle root]

typhoon/vortex would make the mobs "fall" instead of you

so that would make sense

if either you are moving fast/falling or the mobs are

[flint hull]

does this allow pvp

rated sorry

woops wrong channel

[uneven kelp]

??

[flint hull]

just answer

[uneven kelp]

wdym does this allow pvp

ur always allowed to pvp

[flint hull]

a

[fickle root]

does it work in rated pvp

[flint hull]

ye that one

[uneven kelp]

no

skirmishes only

[flint hull]

ok

ty gang

[inland bronze]

@flint hull

btw

you re not allowed to stream it

[drifting cedar]

he alr did

[flint hull]

bro no one gonna know anyway

[inland bronze]

non no

[fickle root]

i blame @edgy veldt

[flint hull]

they are just gonna see some guy adhing

everywhere

[inland bronze]

i ll say it in french

[flint hull]

idk

[inland bronze]

if u keep doing it

[uneven kelp]

if we see this on raid logs

[flint hull]

brother

[inland bronze]

you re not allowed to stream it, NDA stuff

[uneven kelp]

we are gunna start having issues

[inland bronze]

😠

[flint hull]

you cant do it in raid

its aoe only

[uneven kelp]

good thing zero fights in raid have aoe

[flint hull]

[uneven kelp]

[flint hull]

its m+ only guys

[inland bronze]

[flint hull]

I wont abuse it in raid

[uneven kelp]

its ok

[flint hull]

[uneven kelp]

when we get the clip of zac navy seal team 6 air dropping in with his umbrella and torching midair to do 40m damage in one cast

thats when itll get fixed

just like er bug

[flint hull]

bro

the drive by

torch

[edgy veldt]

hey wtf

[flint hull]

is kinda insane

funny

[flint hull]

ye fuck you xarin

[fickle root]

ye word got out already

[edgy veldt]

Ye fuck you

[fickle root]

all ur fault

[inland bronze]

yea all ur fault

also greeting

[flint hull]

I knew this guy was an opp

ok fr tho

who spread it

there is a very limited number of people in this thread

it must be one of you

[inland bronze]

at first it was tiem tira me doing stuff and opening this thread and then

all of that

[drifting cedar]

wym

i didnt have shit to do with this

[barren compass]

me

tim got the idea of moving target

was one of the thing i didnt test

[uneven kelp]

it wasnt me i only emailed it directly to my dad (blizzard)

i didnt spread it to any discords where it might get fixed

💅

[barren compass]

censi tyra and me did the testing and opened the thread

then solo sap zac joined fast

after that i don't know

[drifting cedar]

it was likely that it was zacs stream

cant lie

all good tho

[flint hull]

what

i streamted 5 min

wdy m

[uneven kelp]

Zac is very famous now a day true

Frfr

[flint hull]

I average 10 streamer

you guys are delusional

[uneven kelp]

Famous (for EXPLOITING)

[pastel egret]

it is really hard to actually use it

ngl

[flint hull]

i got a use first pack uld

wasnt that impressive tho

but ye big spread

[inland bronze]

yea the issue and the hard part is that the aoe is really really tight

gotta have mobs full stacked up pixel

that s why sigil of chains is a good thing with it

[rigid totem]

1st pack uld i did 14mil as sin xdxd

was a +9 though so its whatever

528 torch^^

[uneven kelp]

@stable fog

[rigid totem]

i pressed torch mid way b4 the corner bottleneck

[stable fog]

ahh so jump+grapple and use when you are falling?

[rigid totem]

u can sprint press torch

mobs need to be on the move

gonna try AA 1st pull now

[stable fog]

couldn't you jump while sprinting and use torch midair?

[rigid totem]

ye u can

[stable fog]

that may be how it happened to me before on the AA pull

i was dodging the green circles

[rigid totem]

yup makes sense

but im playing sin keep that in mind

im slow

😦

[flint hull]

slow ass

[rigid totem]

ill laugh at you so hard if u start playing sin on keys

it will be a monumental sight

[flint hull]

@ionic beacon wait i touight you were in

[ionic beacon]

guess not lol

what a weird one

[flint hull]

ye

[ionic beacon]

I bet you can trigger this with a well timed life grip from an allied priest on any spec haha

so is it just a motion while triggering grief that causes it?

[flint hull]

well it seems to just be a sped thing

or like

a movement thing

either you or the adds moving i think

something like that

[ionic beacon]

weirddd

[pastel egret]

both