#jacobium - Log Review
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quasi gyro
so the most important thing about outlaw is maintaining adrenaline rush
because of the Underhanded Upper Hand talent, adrenaline rush does not tick down during stealth / subterfuge / shadow dance
this means using vanish and shadow dance on demand are crucial to keeping adrenaline rush active
untold remnant
Aaah, and it wont tick down while in regular stealth either?
quasi gyro
without tier set, the average cooldown on vanish and adrenaline rush is lower, so it is awkward
correct
untold remnant
Ah ok, I see.
quasi gyro
in a perfect world, with tier set and following the proper rotation priorities, you can keep adrenaline rush active for >90% of the entire key
untold remnant
I am guessing it won't take much for me to dramatically increase my DPS
quasi gyro
ye
untold remnant
I am also regularly using BtE outside stealth/subterfuge so that it goes on CD
I am probably letting RtB expire as well. I need some better WAs
quasi gyro
you should only use BtE outside of stealth if vanish cooldown is over 45s, and shadow dance cooldown is over 12s or so, AND you are not about to recast stealth into a new mob pack
untold remnant
Correct. This is to time it to be off CD when Vanish/shadow dance are available?
quasi gyro
yeah
untold remnant
Not sure how those numbers are calculated though. CD on vanish (not shadow dance?) is reduced when CPs are spent
quasi gyro
yeah so
between the eyes cooldown is 45s
and it gets reduced by finishers the same as vanish
so if vanish tooltip cooldown is under 45s
untold remnant
Ah, ok. Then it is clear
untold remnant
I was thinking of going through replays to see if I let RtB and such expire before casting again.
But hey, thanks! Really appreciate you taking the time to help me 🙂
You should have a coffee donate button
quasi gyro
yeah it fell off sometimes
quasi gyro
sometimes it is unavoidable with heavy downtime
if your tank is slow
or you die
dying is quite punishing as outlaw
unless you can recast adrenaline rush shortly
untold remnant
Awesome, thanks again 🙂 Excited to see if I can increase my DPS
quasi gyro
try to calm down with the pistol shotting
you should pretty much only use pistol shot when it procs, and ambush is not available
hardly ever press a naked pistol shot
quasi gyro
untold remnant
nice
quasi gyro
but i zoomed in to the first few minutes instead of loading the entire key
by click-dragging over this ugly timeline thing
untold remnant
This is very useful. I can also compare with other higher ranked players 🙂
quasi gyro
ye
this key looks like there is a lot of running around and packs only live for like 8 seconds
which is pretty awkward
to keep things going
should feel better when mobs dont die instantly
untold remnant
Yeah, lots of quick packs
I usually play prot paladin. So as DPS I am having issues with my target running away in a sea of mobs, and suddenly being too far away without me noticing (focusing too much on my WAs)
quasi gyro
ye you get used it it eventually
one more thing
so after you get tier set
we have a talent called loaded dice which is very powerful
basically, if you press roll the bones with loaded dice active and the tier set also activates, you get 3 buffs guaranteed
this is another "crucial part of outlaw" is getting to 3 buffs asap, and chaining 3 buffs as long as possible
by getting loaded dice again at some point before almost every roll the bones cast
it might not make sense until you get the tier set and see what it's doing
untold remnant
Ok, I will check my talents.
I got my talent tree from wowhead. I see that there is one on this discord as well. Maybe I should use that.
quasi gyro
yeah you have it
untold remnant
Yes, I saw it in the logs, but not sure if the tree I have is optimal
untold remnant
Ok, good
quasi gyro
so we have 2 builds
you are playing the hidden opportunity or "HO" build, because of this talent
aka, the ambush build
there is another build that does not use ambush at all, and it is popular in keys, but it is quite different and punishing unless you have a good mastery of outlaw
so i would avoid it for now unless you really get to the point you want to push yourself
the ambush build is perfectly fine for everything
anyway, just so you know
