other people playing bugged builds also had 0 affect on me
#Last Epoch
woeful bolt
hollow sparrow
very cool stats
woeful bolt
it drives away players and id like the game to succeed
fierce hemlock
i dont think it really drives away players
the people this affects are already super invested
they'll be back next cycle
woeful bolt
i dont think that's true
hollow sparrow
other than "it feels bad"
feels bad drives away players
woeful bolt
imagine you're a casual who happened to play a build with bugs in it
hollow sparrow
you play new mechanic, it feels bad, you quit
woeful bolt
now your character is bad
hollow sparrow
very logical
minor bay
bugfixing now/nerfing it now makes
- other builds more valuable by comparison
- doesnt maintain an unhealthy expectation of how the game can/should play
- balances out the value of several stats again instead of one being way more valuable than others
woeful bolt
that's demotivating
hollow sparrow
you invest into character, it gets destroyed, you feel bad, you quit
woeful bolt
now imagine it happens two times in a row
are you continuining playing
probs not if your progress gets invalidated
without warning
minor bay
whats the precedent for it happening two times in a row?
woeful bolt
or like a week warning ig
minor bay
you got warned a week in advance
woeful bolt
in so far as casuals will have no idea or interest in knowing if something is bugged
minor bay
ofc its demotivating and feels bad. but that doesnt invalidate the value of fixing now instead of later
woeful bolt
before the devs tell them it is
minor bay
you know what else would make a player quit? playing a busted ass broken build that gives them a false sense of how the game is playing, and then playing the same build next patch and realizing "this isnt fun, im gonna quit"
woeful bolt
whats the precedent for it happening two times in a row?
probably that half passives in the game are bugged
minor bay
players quitting because they dont enjoy your game isnt a bad thing if you want your game to be played a certain way
woeful bolt
there's builds that are as strong as ballista without being bugged
they're not nerfing them mid cycle
hollow sparrow
players quitting because they dont enjoy your game isnt a bad thing if you want ...
that's not the only thing here tho
minor bay
do you wanna cater to people who dont enjoy your game the way you want it to play?
hollow sparrow
unpredictability is bad
woeful bolt
you're acting like the devs dont give a shit what players think lol
minor bay
unpredictability is bad
but people said this bug was known for a month plus. whats unpredictable about it being getting a fix? 
minor bay
when they just put out a survey about it
and then acting based on the results of that survey, and the response is "i dont like it" 
hollow sparrow
but people said this bug was known for a month plus. whats unpredictable about i...
it being actually fixed mid season, the act of the fix itself
woeful bolt
i mean a survey is always going to be biased
minor bay
so they do what the majority of the playerbase wanted
woeful bolt
but also people dont know what is bugged and what is not
fierce hemlock
i mean
woeful bolt
people thought fix bugged builds = falconer ward and warlock ward ridiculousness
not necessarily what they play, people are short sighted
minor bay
those are not bugs though, just busted mechanics
fierce hemlock
what do you want them to go off of if they can't trust the survey thats being filled about by 70k of their players
hollow sparrow
GGG is predictable because unlike absolute massive bug like in Delirium where they overlooked broken build they don't touch you. you have your fun for 3 months, you know later on it might not survive, but whatever time and energy you have invested is not gonna go to waste
minor bay
depends on which one were talking about
woeful bolt
what do you want them to go off of if they can't trust the survey thats being fi...
i think surveys are good for identifying problems or pain points, but players generally give bad solutions
minor bay
ye but this isnt GGG, they did a survey filled by large amounts of players, and players said they want this. now theyre doing it. i dont understand
hollow sparrow
doing any kind of mid season fixes means you inevitably gonna play another game of waiting for fixes to arrive and hold on to items/currency to work around those fixes
minor bay
players didnt give solutions. the devs did, and players picked the one they liked the most.
hollow sparrow
and you don't even know most of the time what they are
woeful bolt
their original stance was no mid cycle bug fixes to nerf builds 
they should have stuck with both their intuition and an industry leader was doing, imo
hollow sparrow
I dunno what survey they did, I am just saying why I am in favour of GGG stance
in both ways
nerfs and buffs
minor bay
I dunno what survey they did, I am just saying why I am in favour of GGG stance
thats a fair stance
hollow sparrow
predictability is important, especially for a low hours crowd
minor bay
i just dont get why people are so pissed about this when its literally the dev acting on 1) what the community wanted after being given multiple options, 2) is aiming to improve game enjoyment for the majority, at the cost of the enjoyment of a minority (and not like 60:40, but like 99:1)
hollow sparrow
I can "correct" mid league fix with 14 hours a day playtime maybe, a lot of players cannot
minor bay
broken builds make people feel bad for not being broken
woeful bolt
ye but this isnt GGG, they did a survey filled by large amounts of players, and ...
i mean the solutions were based on what players asked of them
hollow sparrow
it's still an investment
hollow sparrow
you may argue it's lower in terms of hours but it's still an investment
woeful bolt
and like lorentz said for low hours people it isnt a question of ease
hollow sparrow
even if it's 10 hours, that's a week for someone
minor bay
you may argue it's lower in terms of hours but it's still an investment
a significantly lower investment
youre not gonna need
fierce hemlock
i mean this doesn't even brick the build
fierce hemlock
so you don't even need to swap off of it
minor bay
the build is STILL playable, it still does the same damage
fierce hemlock
it doesn't change damage
woeful bolt
i agree
woeful bolt
i dont particularly care about ballista specifically, it will be fine
it's the principle
hollow sparrow
I am not talking about this specific situation Seli
minor bay
okay but
hollow sparrow
changing build has an innate cost
minor bay
the argument started over the specific situation 😄
the question is gonna be, how often will they do this
woeful bolt
if the build is barely functional, are we still bugfixing to nerf it into unplayableness
hollow sparrow
that's a hard line to please everybody
hollow sparrow
I hope for very little invasive actions
minor bay
i think thats the first lesson everybody needs to learn
hollow sparrow
but I am just one player
minor bay
no matter what change you make, itll negatively affect someone
woeful bolt
what lorentz said about predictability is probably the most important part
minor bay
i dont really see how predictability has changed though
hollow sparrow
obviously
woeful bolt
now there's a "is my build just gonna get nerfed randomly when people find out something is bugged"
hollow sparrow
because I am smart
woeful bolt
because they were not nerfing mid cycle initially
woeful bolt
that is now changed
minor bay
if they give decent warning that something is gonna happen, i think this is a good way to do it without having people run rampant with broken-ass-builds for months
hollow sparrow
rare occasion of me not downplaying my qualities
woeful bolt
i mean warning is better than nothing
woeful bolt
but personally idk why people care if someone else is playing a broken build
minor bay
and a week is decent warning in a game where swapping builds takes 10 minutes when you dont have to swap mastery, and 5 hrs if you have to relevel the same character with a new mastery
minor bay
there's leaderboards
^this
woeful bolt
dont personally gaf about arena it's stay awake simulator
minor bay
and it makes people not playing the broken build feel bad
fierce hemlock
dont personally gaf about arena it's stay awake simulator
yes but people do
minor bay
remember how people who didnt play MF felt bad in poe this league?
minor bay
dont personally gaf about arena it's stay awake simulator
you may not. many people do. their gameplay experience is negatively affected by it.
woeful bolt
i mean sure, they can reroll to that broken build if they care enough to push to the highest levels
that's what you require to be competitive
minor bay
or, you know, they can expect the devs to bugfix it
woeful bolt
again you can make the same argument about overtuned but not bugged builds
minor bay
were moving goalposts a lot in this conversation
woeful bolt
you're just going to play whackamole all season
minor bay
thats kinda how balancing/tuning works, ye
woeful bolt
there's always going to be outliers
minor bay
but were not talking about overtuned here are we
woeful bolt
not in seasonal games lmao
minor bay
were talking about bugged interactions
woeful bolt
yes and im bringing up overtuned because the same argument can be applied
minor bay
theres ZERO precedent for EHG nerfing overtuned builds mid-league so far, so how about we keep it out of the conversation until it actually happened
woeful bolt
meaning it's a bad argument unless you also support that stance
woeful bolt
dont use it as an argument then
minor bay
im not. you are.
woeful bolt
or, you know, they can expect the devs to bugfix it
re: being forced to reroll
which also applies to overtuned builds
that is your argument
minor bay
interesting. thanks for telling me what im thinking/saying.
woeful bolt
you're welcome
minor bay
when i say i expect devs to bugfix something, thats what i mean. that i want bugs to be fixed, good or bad ones.
that doesnt also mean any other number of things YOU imagien it to mean. i mean what i say.
woeful bolt
how are you still not understanding it lmao
minor bay
nerfing this build doesnt force anybody to reroll.
the build is still very strong. it still onetaps many things.
woeful bolt
do you reject the premise that people who push leaderboards will feel inclined to play the strongest build
queen ember
because I am smart
woeful bolt
do you reject the premise that an overtuned build can be as strong or stronger than a bugged build
minor bay
do you reject the premise that an overtuned build can be as strong or stronger t...
it CAN be, but in LE, so far, it hasnt.
so yes, i reject that premise, because this isnt poe.
woeful bolt
yet ballista falconer isnt topping the arena leaderboards afaik
minor bay
and i think itd be beneficial for many people to stop comparing EVERYTHING to poe and instead take games at their own merit and value
poe elitists are the worst kind of people to talk to, actually.
woeful bolt
it isnt elitist to think a decision GGG has made is a correct one
minor bay
but thats besides the point
woeful bolt
LE does 100 things better than poe
doesn't mean this is one of them
if you don't want people comparing games in the same genre with an identical game cycle, idk
good luck i suppose
minor bay
anyway, im tired of this conversation because goalposts keep being moved and words are being put in my mouth, which is pretty annoying and fruitless.
tl;dr of my stance: bugfixes are good. its unfortunate that oftentimes beneficial bugs are noticed/fixed before the ones that negatively affect players, but thats often because the beneficial bugs make more people flock to those builds so they get more attention, and are easier to notice.
they asked players how to act, and are now following what the community wanted. 
either you want a dev listening to the community or you dont, its a bit arbitrary to pick and choose where you want the devs to listen and where you dont. imo devs should do what they want, not what the community wants, cause otherwise you end up with what poe has become.
woeful bolt
repeating back your argument without denying something you said is not moving goalposts
but sure fruitless i agree
minor bay
gleaming jacinth
queen ember
naive crag
im also so close to 1 combo julra without culling
distant folio
distant folio
Kinda goofy
naive crag
Bosses have dr below certain hp threshold
already did it earlier before sleep
marble turret
What tier
naive crag
yea it is funny hits go from 300k+ to like 100 to 50 at the end
what grinds my gears is my guide got rejected twice from lastepochtools man do i suck at formatting etc
next cyle i will just comission someone to write it XD
naive crag
well maybe he does not suck as much as me
if it is well written you can post as many as you want
might do a phys vers and a bleed one when there is more content
naive crag
interesting
woeful bolt
lmao his youtube thumbnails
the absolute state of clickbait 
i would do it too if it's what got clicks
sick stratus
ngl I had to start not watching tenkei vids
naive crag
maybe they just hate bladedancers
there are 0 1.0.3 guides
yea i would not do that lvl of click ayaya but if it works i can appreciate the hustle
proven ridge
i would do it too if it's what got clicks
I mean it got your click
naive crag
slam into 3 lp dagger tell me which mod is left behind=
the health one is sealed so ignore tha tone
hit all the good mods POG
finally i have a 2 prefix dagger although not like it is needed kekw https://youtu.be/GSn8x5K3nWQ
btw does anyone know how to upload shorts?
subtle jolt
Not sure if it's just me but
New Nvidia driver on 3070ti bricks LE performance
Already rolled back and confirmed on my end, but.
subtle jolt
btw does anyone know how to upload shorts?
Doesn't it auto upload as a short if it's short enough?
I swear I had that happen
naive crag
nope it seems
naive crag
wait why did no one tell me this relic exists
https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzAcYRiA shit is broke
woeful bolt
that's what the DA builds use right?
naive crag
yea that shit is crazy i would have 180% extra lightning
before doing the super combo
as it takes 4 secs
man i need shit that survives more so i can limit test
woeful bolt
high corruption shadey boy gets pretty tanky
naive crag
idk how high i need to go he still dissapears in 500
and i cba farming for more
maybe it is a wait for next cycle angle
haha talk about the ghost and he appears
he also gives great surv tips
woeful bolt
honestly very surprised necro is second
guess all those minion enjoyers hopped from d4 real quick
hollow sparrow
When I played blindly I felt like minions are very easy to build around
You clearly see fire/cold conversions and how you can turn you minions into one school
Also its just comfy when damage comes from not you, hard to fuck up
hollow shadow
Theres a lot of minion-based affixes
It was one of my main issues with loot in the game, almost everything has some shitty minion modifier that ruins items
marble turret
When I played blindly I felt like minions are very easy to build around
I usually dont like minions but falconer hit different
I think it was the factor that you were giving it commands and it wasn’t just a summon you spawned and it went and just attacked stuff
woeful bolt
yeah the telegraph being on the boss vs the ground probably fucks everyone first time
primal plank
yeah the telegraph being on the boss vs the ground probably fucks everyone first...
that plus for some builds I think it's the only thing that can kill you
until very high corruption
woeful bolt
yeah 2nd being emperor of corpses checks out since its aoe is the other thing
hollow sparrow
I usually dont like minions but falconer hit different
it certainly does. falcon doesn't even feel like a minion because he is ingrained into every ability
and when you spam them it's almost like you are actively commanding him to do certain actions, gameplay is not walking around while your skeletons shoot everything from afar but telling your birdie what to do
maybe hunterss in poe could be something like that
I think if anything is that should be her
marble turret
Ye
proven ridge
any info on the new cycle coming up?
naive crag
hope they announce a when
proven ridge
id imagine they are letting the poe new season hype fall off a bit
or that in my opinion would be the wisest move
naive crag
just 1 month after the PoE league begins should be good
or at least 1 month before this one ends
queen ember
Those crazy sons of bitches did it
barren pollen
LastBuild
proven ridge
Cant wait to use it in next cycle
hollow sparrow
Nemesis - please don't be archnem from PoE
minor bay
hollow sparrow
False echoes
minor bay
hollow sparrow
hollow sparrow
skill sigils
minor bay
depends on the execution
hollow sparrow
looks like jewels in skill trees
minor bay
ye
minor bay
think these are active in all timelines
except for the ancient era exclusive stuff
no clue tho
gleaming jacinth
and actually make ward not the default for everyone
hollow sparrow
I wanna know when is 1.1
gleaming jacinth
real
minor bay
wdym
minor bay
managed to implement it faster than blizzard has in their mmo
managed to do it faster than GGG and you dont have to pay money for skin transfers!
queen ember
I have to pay money for skin transfers?
minor bay
in poe? ye
minor bay
regular armor skins
like
if you wanna transfer smth like yriels to your chest
it costs money
queen ember
Idk what that even means
queen ember
I’ve literally never seen that in my life
queen ember
minor bay
ye its how people skin trasnfer flasks and shit
queen ember
I don’t buy many MTXs
minor bay
and some base armors are actually pretty good looking
queen ember
Ye
minor bay
yriels fostering or garb of the ephemeral are some of the ones people sometimes skin trasnfer
cheaper than buying MTX
woeful bolt
gw2 transmog/dye is the goat
woeful bolt
what's the timeline?
apparently it was hinted that it might be between june 5 and june 21
im gonna guess earlier since the elden ring and ffxiv expansions are near end of june
pog
minor bay
oh boy
gleaming jacinth
hollow sparrow
<@212854714197344256><@210784027752398848><@214798019294527490><@129867731024609...
Long wait 😦
fossil bison
https://youtu.be/Rer2_13tbao
Scary void man 
hollow sparrow
@queen ember @gleaming jacinth 
gleaming jacinth
barren pollen
https://youtu.be/Rer2_13tbao
Eh
New skin on monoliths
Hopefully there's something fun
full zephyr
fracturing wouldnt even be that useful in LE
proven ridge
so there's this temple
and
you have to kill 1 of 2 bosses
and depending what you do or what door you open the room changes
proven ridge
Bro trying to cook
naive crag
would be undercooked if ti released early who knows
hollow sparrow
not even a cooked take, LE devs said themselves they try to release their content inbetween poe leagues. I believe they pushed 1.0 later because PoE pushed its league later
marble turret
No this league was pretty good
It had a bumpy start tho for sure
But still ended up one of the goat leagues
full zephyr
standard 7/10 league tbh, not insane but not terrible
naive crag
yea thankfully we are scarred forever with kalandra
to not be as harsh on mid leagues
hollow sparrow
@minor bay have you seen their boss DR replacement?
minor bay
nope
hollow sparrow
hollow sparrow
my fear is that you kinda incentivized by that "speeds up with time" to not play the game
why hit boss first seconds after getting ward if it's so tough anyway
minor bay
well
you still deplete the bar faster
think they just need to do some showcases of like
same character with old vs new system
hollow sparrow
they gonna nerf falconer
what do we play then, it was such a nice monolith blaster
proven ridge
Dev post in their discord
hollow sparrow
hopefully their nemesis ain't gonna be arch
hollow sparrow
looks pog
barren pollen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3PXawGtwK4&
The trailer was very cool
Very PoE-esque
naive crag
there is also a rundown of 1.1 in the blog but dont think we need that one but if anyone wants to read it https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/harbingers-of-ruin-whats-new/71684
i do like they take the good shit from PoE
hollow sparrow
we play rogue, right?
even with nerfed shadow daggers
not sure why they wanna release their cycles on Tuesday tho
apart from having devs ready for fixes
naive crag
i will play lethal mirage as always
brrrrrrrr
midweek releases better for no server rippers
queen ember
midweek releases better for no server rippers
Yeah worked wonders for full launch
naive crag
hey second time for sure trust
hollow sparrow
Wonder what they use for backend
C++?
Did new languages like go, kotlin, rust get into gaming at all?
naive crag
no idea tbh but we now know that the launch problem was because of some bad lines of code
so in theory they had good capacity
queen ember
hey second time for sure trust
I mean they have the code and server infrastructure to handle it now, so it should be significantly smoother than launch
barren pollen
And for sure less players than on launch
queen ember
Will likely just copy whatever @gleaming jacinth is playing because he’s my bff and I love him
Maybe this time my friends list will actually work and I’ll get to talk to Cev Tisu and Lorentz in game
hollow sparrow
if I actually have a pc to game - yeah
full zephyr
still working on it?
hollow sparrow
well
queen ember
Tell the monitor to stop using so much electricity
queen ember
You might have to settle for a smaller monitor sadly
hollow sparrow
You might have to settle for a smaller monitor sadly
why?
queen ember
Smart?
hollow sparrow
the first one was not doing that
queen ember
why?
Less power needed to run it, so the odds of hearing the coil whine are less likely
hollow sparrow
I don't think it's really a coil whine on that, because other people can't hear it
like I "heard" tv in the office today
gleaming jacinth
Will likely just copy whatever <@214798019294527490> is playing because he’s my ...
if ill end up playing
queen ember
Maybe you’re Superman and have super hearing?
hollow sparrow
I was sitting next to it during a meeting and noticed me hearing it
and others looked at me like I am an alien
I suppose in a sense I am
queen ember
if ill end up playing
If you’re not playing I’ll copy that too
queen ember
I suppose in a sense I am
I’m the same way fwiw
queen ember
My security camera dvr had the “electricity” noise and I was the only person who could hear it
hollow sparrow
so I am now thinking if I wanna gamble with another monitor or just settle on this one
queen ember
Tbh your best bet is noise cancelling headphones and make sure you have music/sound playing
hollow sparrow
I am surely using IEMs because I don't wanna accidentally bend my glasses with over the ear headphones
woeful bolt
bro can hear electricty wtf
hollow sparrow
idk, I notice some weird ass things about myself sometimes
queen ember
bro can hear electricty wtf
It’s not fun
primal plank
C++?
depends on the engine most likely, idk what LE uses
looks like unity, so probably c#
minor bay
woeful bolt
qol stuff looks good
blessing stash between alts
buffs to boss drops in COF
searching timelines for nodes
hollow sparrow
Blessing stuff is big pog
I will open a bottle of champagne when they remove objectives in monos tho
hollow sparrow
Blind no longer causes enemies to aim erratically. It now makes enemies unable to critically strike (from halving critical strike chance)
naive crag
damn that is strong as f
woeful bolt
holy
naive crag
new items are already on LEtools
if anyone wants to theorycraft also the direct link to the notes https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/last-epoch-harbingers-of-ruin-patch-notes/71790
also new lethal mirage weapon is HOT problem is no immunity
might run 2 shards or other things to clear and the 2 hand for bosses
also finally a helmet i can use
hollow sparrow
sadly no, apos don't exist in LE yet
hollow sparrow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/919893093841514526/1259571348976697434/im...
something else could be deleted I've heard...
naive crag
damn people are angsty to make guides when some items we dont even know how they work
maybe i also make one before it releases to get the FOMO people in
hollow sparrow
@naive crag have you seen lethal mirage sword?
I was trying to cook either that or dancing strike procing shadow cascade thing
naive crag
yea
fossil bison
The fact that they fixed the traits to work when youve converted it to lightning is huge
naive crag
you cant use dancing or shadow cascade
those need dw
you need to use puncture or flurry
the bug was only if you used the daggers thankfully
i want to see how the sword works tbh
wording is a bit weird
hollow sparrow
you cant use dancing or shadow cascade
can't use for what?
oh you mean with the new unique?
hollow sparrow
yeah I meant two different disitinct builds
- lethal mirage with new blade
- dancing procing shadow cascade
naive crag
ah dancing proccing cascade will be crazy
hollow sparrow
with 2 points you always proc it on the first strike
and dancing can also proc shuriken for defences afaik
or more damage
but I dunno if it's shadow daggers angle or not
naive crag
well yes likely
dancing in itself buffs your overall dmg a huge deal
so you can synth strike
then dance
and everything would play itself with that build
hollow sparrow
I didn't spend much really to get the idea deep enough
maybe there are some idols helping it?
haven't looked into LE for a while
naive crag
well shadow daggers you can just go all in for pen and crit mult
as they always crit
they did nerf eye of reen quite a bit
hollow sparrow
yeah I don't think shadow daggers is the play when dancing doesn't really scales with aspeed afaik
you'd want something fast to do daggers, maybe just flat out crit scaling
faint plume
there are no bladedancer builds on lastepochtools for 1.1
what do I do 
oh wait hacha has a build already
naive crag
i have mine but it has not been crawled for some reason
naive crag
no idea tbh LE is way easier to leaguestart with
i will level with syncro and shadow cascade
flurry/punture first
hollow sparrow
I play via steam, it's their servers not EHG
naive crag
servers are online but not in the new vers
can even create char but it says 1.0
reset steam
dl is up
naive crag
online play kekw
queen ember
online play is down
oof
hollow sparrow
what did you plan to start?
naive crag
another great launch inc
hollow sparrow
it already is
gleaming jacinth
xdddd
queen ember
what did you plan to start?
saturday when hopefully the servers don't suck
wait I can't
I'm spending saturday moving everything to the new case
hollow sparrow
wait IM IN
you mean you've managed to create a character?
errant hatch
i need a character name
young tusk
i need a character name
Plinker
queen ember
i need a character name
LastKennypoch
hollow sparrow
@gleaming jacinth do I spec balddancer or falconer?
barren pollen
Out of those 2, Falconer
barren pollen
I wouldn't play either yeah, gotta try other stuff as well
But Falcon definitely beats BD especially if you wanna zoom
gleaming jacinth
<@214798019294527490> do I spec balddancer or falconer?
idk did u play any of them before
hollow sparrow
I played falc last patch
very comfy
that's why I picked it as start
I played bladedancer prior to that as well
gleaming jacinth
then bladedancer
really comfy
but i think if u wna put proper time into a build
id probably do sorc start
wooden turtle
ima try warlock
barren pollen
I'm doing Sorc myself, already tried Rogue and Warlock
hollow sparrow
I wanna try raptor pack but it requires rare unique, and I don't know what to do with beastmaster prior to that
barren pollen
Yepp just choosing Sorc because there's so many good builds for it so it'll be chill to transition and try stuff out
hollow sparrow
I am sorry what?
queen ember
that's a lot of physical penetration
almost as much physical penetration as I give @barren pollen
barren pollen
almost as much physical penetration as I give <@165215952479322112>
I'm ready sensei 
naive crag
ez
gleaming jacinth
cant believe bosses have even lower hp now
naive crag
RUNE OF CREATION POG
proven ridge
Is this a we are barack or a its joever
naive crag
it is fine
gotten no dcs
apart from the ones for being not there
while eating some pizza
woeful bolt
there's no reason to play online right if ur circling fortune
queen ember
thats the ssf one right
barren pollen
Sorc is super strong
hollow sparrow
@gleaming jacinth 
gleaming jacinth
<@214798019294527490> <:PauseChamp:867644383432146985>
huuuge
proven ridge
Anyone got to monoliths and endgame stuff?
Is there more content
Also did story change in seasons for the purpose of "faster leveling"?
subtle jolt
hollow sparrow
I think their fix for gold scaling affected campaign as well
hollow sparrow
aerial assault, my beloved
barren pollen
max roll int we eating good
hollow sparrow
I haven't seen league mechanic so far in monos and I've conquered a timeline already
wtf
toxic apex
hm i kinda want to try this game again
errant hatch
errant hatch
naive crag
damn i ANNHILATED campaign
errant hatch
anyone at 1k mana yet
errant hatch
🤔
errant hatch
hollow sparrow
anyone has MG loot filter?
naive crag
it will be uploaded later today
idk if you are already in the disc
there is a placeholder one
errant hatch
hollow sparrow
idk if you are already in the disc
which disc?
naive crag
the sanctum market one
naive crag
sent dm
naive crag
yea yesterday
hollow sparrow
mana stacking is hot
errant hatch
hollow sparrow
falconer is just too fun man
barren pollen
It's crazy that I chose Sorcerer before reading about it whatsoever and it turns out to be the most popular class
Not surprised the Primalist specs are not played whatsoever
barren pollen
I honestly haven't been following the game's patch notes or anything whatsoever
hollow sparrow
Not surprised the Primalist specs are not played whatsoever
I still wanna try out Chris Pratt build
barren pollen
What's that?
hollow sparrow
many raptors
hollow sparrow
@naive crag did you get the blade for your build?
hollow sparrow
mana stackers use enigma and one hander?
could any of them be interested in this?
barren pollen
Possibly, but they prefer the Crystal Wand base pretty heavily
hollow sparrow
@gleaming jacinth
errant hatch
queen ember
Mood
errant hatch
gleaming jacinth
<@214798019294527490>
unfortunate base but pretty solid neck
hollow sparrow
I am not even in empowereds, that's gonna suffice for a while
subtle jolt
subtle jolt
got a wrong warp and it funded me to buy everything for my necro
big
Some guy also scammed himself
marinas for 20k
Normally 400k~
errant hatch
this is kinda nice ya
subtle jolt
Not ward gain 😠
naive crag
<@131174440183529472> did you get the blade for your build?
just woke up after playing up to like 3 pm not yet
there was only 1 when i went to sleep
hollow sparrow
I need way better gear
hollow sparrow
@naive crag did you see aerial assault boots yet?
naive crag
nope
havent logged in yet im doing some dailies somewhere and looking at things
they seem cool
hollow sparrow
I am farming boots timeline now, but they seem to be pretty rare 😦
naive crag
funnily enough i got 3 mourningfrost boots on my harbinger thingy
also tried to egg a smokeweaver i found and it got krangled with int
and cast speed
hollow sparrow
frosts is the only thing that sold for me so far
I have 6 or 7 items right now and none is buying (
honestly bazaar with so many merchants is pretty inconvenient
and search is too limited
holy shit that timeline is so anti melee it's insane
:/
errant hatch
i see sorcs using this
is it literally just for the base crit and % mana lmao
what do those minion abilities do
hollow sparrow
just for base crit
I don't think there is any other ring having base crit so just that is giga alreayd
errant hatch
so its that or the julra ring
subtle jolt
I have my friend a chest with t7 + to glacier and mana
idk how i feel rn
I COULD have made so much money
crafting on them then duping and selling
subtle jolt
merchants guild <a:noNoNoNo:749212423516323850>
Merchants guild for group character
Cof for solo
I'm not farming for red rings for my group character
Got me fucked up
gleaming jacinth
ok fair enough
errant hatch
naive crag
OK THIS SWORD IS OP WTF
it works with itself
i though i would need to use some other abilities
naive crag
yea need to go and craft mana stacker things and falconer etc
sadly im clueless about idols but those also sell big
anything with crit multi kinda
hollow sparrow
yea need to go and craft mana stacker things and falconer etc
don't you play bladedancer?
hollow sparrow
oh you mean craft for sale
primal plank
I just misclicked banish on a nemesis with good items 
naive crag
fuq
worldly basalt
any le kings know if tooltip dps is accurate in this game, also if there is an easier way of checking shadow dagger tooltip damage than going into a skill tree and holding alt over the node that applies it?
hollow sparrow
beastmaster levelling is pure torture
barren pollen
levelling is pure torture*
errant hatch
i love putting an item in the egg and then hitting challenge instead of empower
subtle jolt
Skill issue
naive crag
niice
hollow sparrow
It’s used even without the belt, tons of leech and dot stacks themselves place increased melee damage taken I believe
subtle jolt
trying to decide what rog build to go
send helpo
super iffy on zfalcon
Then theres divebomb and uh
bladedancer
I'm not a fan of actual pet builds so
I probably go shadow dagger or dive
hollow sparrow
I did shadow daggers as previous season, to me it felt too squish personally
hollow sparrow
It’s not really full glass but glancing isn’t 100% outside of either smoke bomb or not being hit recently, falconer with cradle was better imo
But it isn’t giga tank class realistically
primal plank
ngl I feel like torment warlock is gonna take my pc out back
subtle jolt
game wants me to play z
subtle jolt
now i got the ring..
errant hatch
missed the t7 mana
gleaming jacinth
<@214798019294527490> need advice
sup
naive crag
lethal mirage going brrrr
gleaming jacinth
hollow sparrow
@errant hatch you are a mana stacker, how much would that be
naive crag
the shred mod itself is worth a bit but nothing super crazy good thing is that it still has fp
only sad thing is bad base but can still use it for smashes
like 100k to 200k ez if you dont want to try and get better rolls
hollow sparrow
you mean in SSF?
queen ember
@hollow sparrow @gleaming jacinth what do I play
hollow sparrow
uhm, what do you want? tonk? speed?
queen ember
speeeeeeeeeeeed
hollow sparrow
then I think falconer
hollow sparrow
you press a button every second or even lower that deals damage and you jump through the entire screen
pet isn't doing any damage
if you play shadow daggers you jump around and spawn spinners that apply shadow daggers(stacking debuff) that procs at 4 stacks I think and deal doomage that always crits
so you stack multi and just destroy
queen ember
is marksman still doo doo
gleaming jacinth
marksman never has been doo doo
queen ember
bow mage was kinda meh
gleaming jacinth
did u play explo trap icicle
queen ember
ye
gleaming jacinth
idk i had no real issues with it but i also didnt push really high
but if u dont wanna play that then probably pivot off marksman
hollow sparrow
is marksman still doo doo
deto arrows traps are still alive I believe
and blast rain
maybe
I've seen people not suggesting marksman because it got only nerfs to those couple builds it had
queen ember
maybe I just take apart my PC right now
barren pollen
<@129867731024609281> <@214798019294527490> what do I play
Sorcerer :)
queen ember
and just get it over with
barren pollen
I'm playing Static Orb Sorc and Torment Warlock
Both are fun, but the Sorc outclasses Warlock (and everything else) by soooooo much
queen ember
I don't particularly care for casters in arpgs sadly
I'm just a bow bitch
and marks is kinda caca
barren pollen
I personally hate casters in mmorpg's because of channel skills
but these boys ain't got none so we chilling
barren pollen
and marks is kinda caca
I wanted to play mm as well but I'm too degenerate to not play the best specs in the game
queen ember
amazon was supposed to deliver my new screwdriver kit yesterday
and it still isn't here
hollow sparrow
what's something useful I can find on suffixes apart from hp and res? trying to see if I can benefit from changing one pref that would open up like 4 suffixes total for me
hollow sparrow
@gleaming jacinth obviously, when I switched from Falc
barren pollen
Are those new boots?
hollow sparrow
yes, this patch new
barren pollen
Makes sense, they look pretty insane
hollow sparrow
they just feed into the existing things
barren pollen
Would have been great on the Falconer last patch
primal plank
Both are fun, but the Sorc outclasses Warlock (and everything else) by soooooo m...
is sorc the cringe tp + meteor gameplay still ?
or are there good builds without that
barren pollen
Currently not playing meteor
You play Static Orb and oneshot literally everything in the game
And you use Glacier to get your ward up and maintain mana
So you run around spamming Glacier everywhere to keep your Ward/Mana up, and then you onetap rares with a Static Orb
primal plank
I'm playing torment rn but maybe I'll play a 2nd char down the line
barren pollen
Yeah, I'm playing Torment as a second character and it's okay
but the Sorc is just ridiculous
Just requires a bit of investment to get it going
Gotta get to like 1000+ mana
night sequoia
le good
naive crag
Reminder to complete the herbingers best thing to do is get one timeline to around 400
and get lots of needles and envy scrolls
then you can go and go do other timelines for the quests and you go until you find orobyss envy yourself to the boss stability if not already there get the 4 gazes kill boss then orobyss then envy again for boss+harbinger
now it is too late for me but everyone should try that it is way faster
gleaming jacinth
<@214798019294527490> obviously, when I switched from Falc
subtle jolt
debating whether to go low life or not
mm
I might actually swap to falcon and try that shadow dagger variant
hollow sparrow
Monos are just boring to me, sadge
Game is nice but endgame loop is just killing my interest sadly
naive crag
only problem i have with monos is there is no extra things but im just treating this just as a vanilla PoE while they add more shit
remember first league on HC was onslaugh league with the great mechanic of:
mobs are 20% faster
nemesis are kinda like rogue exiles?
and we even get some cool midbosses and a pinnacle one this will keep me here until new PoE league that seems lit
naive crag
dots are wild yea
hollow sparrow
only problem i have with monos is there is no extra things but im just treating ...
I just can’t stand objectives. They make me not care about monsters but rush to the circle and just get whatever mobs I can on the way
Also rares are kinda boring, my upgrades are simple same stats but more
naive crag
does not take much to keep me entertained it helps im doing content with it too
thinking HOW CAN I MAKE THIS BETTER
monos are just a vehicle to get money or whatever
same as grinding in games like maplestory
in PoE currency and items etc do feel diff
errant hatch
subtle jolt
Should I go dive bomb or shadow dagger
mm
someone help
I cant decide anytihng for shit
versed meadow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/919893093841514526/1261871546096549918/im...
Eyo need??
hollow sparrow
what's the range of forging potential on items? quick google didn't help
hollow sparrow
finally got my snowdrift one cycle later
could've asked me
gleaming jacinth
hollow sparrow
what memory?
queen ember
my ram
hollow sparrow
some objective, that happens rarely
queen ember
it was a side quest
hollow sparrow
barren pollen
what the lol
hollow sparrow
is this big
barren pollen
what level are you
versed meadow
omg :3
versed meadow
eh?? wdym
barren pollen
just bugs out and won't allow us to enter
finally made it after relogging and everything a few times
barren pollen
Nice, we're gonna spam Soulfire Bastion a bit as well later maybe
versed meadow
what do you actually get from them
i know you gotta do one of them for legendary potential crafting