Last Epoch

[proven ridge]

Just bc someone wants to get rid of it for rank

[worn mural]

last epoch doesn't have that luxury

[proven ridge]

I think maybe if they rework the gambling system

I think if youre merchant you should have vendor/gambler perks

[worn mural]

trading a meaningless currency to people for imagined value... I can't see how that system could work

[proven ridge]

Rather than just "being able to trade"

[worn mural]

or something else to spend or earn gold on or with

[proven ridge]

cough capitalism

[worn mural]

capitalism without market buy-in is unstable and unreliable

[proven ridge]

So LE ig

[worn mural]

mhm

[proven ridge]

I think the idea is good and i know a lot of what they did was so people wouldnt abuse

[worn mural]

the idea is undercooked and lacks support

[proven ridge]

But at the same time preventing the abuse they kinda made it bad for everyone

[worn mural]

is there a gold tax on transactions?

[proven ridge]

Nope

[worn mural]

so inflation is unchecked too

[proven ridge]

I rlly think they have to do something with the vendors

Like if youre a MG

The gamble system works differently

[fossil bison]

You cant resell items

[proven ridge]

That way ur more incentiviced on having money

And plus

"Spinning"

[worn mural]

there's no mechanism to take currency out of circulation currently, which is a problem that's gonna get worse over time

[proven ridge]

Items in the gambler

[proven ridge]

I guess the only reallistic money spender is dungeons

[worn mural]

give it a month and you'll be seeing 1LP T4 uniques for like 1.5bn because the no-lifers will have exorbitant quantities of the stuff

[proven ridge]

But ngl i never heard of anyone farming dungeons

Ive never heard anyone mention dungeons period

[worn mural]

lightless arbour isn't profitable enough to run for the purpose of MGing

I farmed T3 soulfire

because I wanted a belt for my warlock

Sanctum has recurring value- there'll always be a need to turn uniques into legendaries

[fossil bison]

Stash tabs

[worn mural]

Bastion has no value unless you need one of the uniques Cremorus drops because the currency you get doesn't give you enough shots at the vendor for the time spent in the dungeon

and Arbor's value is propped up by being the only thing to spend gold on

[worn mural]

there's a limit to how many of those you can buy

[proven ridge]

I guess ill swap to CoF

Once i have my pc

One day

[worn mural]

join the dark side

[proven ridge]

🥹

[worn mural]

experience the absolute luxury of needing to filter out exalts because there are so damn many

[proven ridge]

I already do 😭

[worn mural]

even moooooooooooore

[proven ridge]

Maybe im already lucky

But too stupid to know how to sell

[full zephyr]

@primal plank perfect miss 18% melee crit and 41 void damage were the other 2 stats

[primal plank]

o7

[full zephyr]

I actually mirrored it so if I ever see another 2LP i can slam again

[primal plank]

I missed the cleanse on shattered chains

[full zephyr]

bruh what a boss, 2 LP ring as well

[primal plank]

What corruption you running now?

[full zephyr]

still kinda various timelines, around 300

[primal plank]

[full zephyr]

log in

[primal plank]

ghostflame and dive bomb nerfed but not healing hands

[full zephyr]

I think im pretty much capped, everything is stretched so thin

just about res capped on some res, crit immune and 2500 life

thats with pretty much all the slots 4 stat exalted items

ill see if I can push corruption a bit but im rather squishy

[naive crag]

sometimes it is what it is

then you have to just get more dmg

because every sec mobs are alive on the screen is a situation waiting to happen

[full zephyr]

the build has ramp time regardless so that doesnt really work

[primal plank]

man the deadly if not damaged recently affix

can eat my ass

[full zephyr]

man a long time since ive seen this but its so shit to craft on

and low CP as well

[naive crag]

that + the snakes with that 15 stack of poison insta and also shred

bye bye hp

thank god lethal mirage and shift make me immune to dmg

so i have time to leech

[primal plank]

yeah when I can't hit shit

I go to 200 hp and 500 ward so

xddd

[full zephyr]

yeah thats the same as warpath

[primal plank]

?

you don't play low life tho do you

this is my hp when I enter an echo

[full zephyr]

the part where if you dont hit or dont spin you deadge

[subtle jolt]

If you don't move mobs don't come to you, so you should be able to build ward

[primal plank]

also I just realised I can tank t4 julra explosion xd

[subtle jolt]

Unless you have to hit to gen

[primal plank]

yeah I do

[subtle jolt]

Necro and rog don't need to move but

Idk

[primal plank]

so when they are deadly cause not dmg'd and I charge in , it can be a little xd

nah it's just as long as I hit it's fine

it's never killed me so far, but I'm guessing higher corruption it's gonna be my end

[subtle jolt]

Higher corruption is death or kill anyway

[primal plank]

idk what counts as higher tho ngl

I'm at 400 and still pisschilling

[subtle jolt]

Like 1k + normally

I think

[sick stratus]

What region is this

[primal plank]

eu

[full zephyr]

xdd

reign of dragons

[primal plank]

the crit avoid one

[naive crag]

MOM WHY ARE THESE NOT T7

[full zephyr]

not too bad, if I was going to switch from crit avoidance to reduced bonus dam

[primal plank]

man

going up in corruption is such a sleeper

[fossil bison]

It really is

[primal plank]

idk why gaze only gives you 10 ngl

could easily make it 20

[fossil bison]

Or make it scale harder per corruption

It also kinda blows that the enemy hp doesnt really scale, its mostly their damage

So like, to go higher you mostly need better defensives and not really more damage

[primal plank]

also like

I don't need anything from my highest timeline anymore

except some highroll 2+ lp from the boss but xd

[fossil bison]

There is catchup for other timeliens

[primal plank]

yeah but my idea is

I go highest I can here

so the other ones catch up very fast

[fossil bison]

But yeah it takes like 4 clears or something to catch up on another timeline, which is quite a bit

[primal plank]

and those clears are longer

the lower you were when you swapped timelines

[naive crag]

PoV you are catching up

[primal plank]

27 from gaze?

[naive crag]

i was going around getting sword unique nodes

so i had 3

[primal plank]

3 isn't 30 ?

[fossil bison]

Nop

[primal plank]

[fossil bison]

Only the first 2 give 10, then it scales down

It actually makes sense though, they dont want you to fill out the entire net all the time because thats not very fun

[primal plank]

at least the orobyss echoes give me 200 stability

[fossil bison]

So theyve made it more efficient to reset it after a while

[primal plank]

yeah but

currently I almost have 3 gaze just going straight until a shade

[naive crag]

ye i usually do 3 max

[fossil bison]

Ye the whole monolith system is kinda antequated, too bad they didnt revamp it before 1.0

[naive crag]

well they have a good base to add loots of shit

like more bosses apart from oroboi

that do diff things and not reset web but give corru

[primal plank]

man I wanted to go to 1k ngl

but I'll die of old age and boredom before then

[fossil bison]

Snap said his high push group probably could do upwards of 12k corruption, but they get like 600 corruption a day so they just cant be arsed pushing higher

(they stopped at like 3k)

[naive crag]

it is like deep delving in PoE

[gleaming jacinth]

its definitely worse

[primal plank]

also why are arena echoes

longer, more boring, and give less stability

[worn mural]

except deep delving is kinda cool and feels a biit less... repetitive

[primal plank]

feels like I get slapped everytime I open one

[gleaming jacinth]

id much rather play new builds

than go high corr

[worn mural]

^ so much this

[primal plank]

this is already a new build

[worn mural]

diversify playstyles until the content builds up

[gleaming jacinth]

ive done 4 builds this cycle

[primal plank]

nerd

[fossil bison]

Thats why you dont

[worn mural]

but sometimes it has a good reward q.q

[gleaming jacinth]

2 properly and 2 just to sort of emp monos

[primal plank]

I just right click stuff man

[gleaming jacinth]

see how it feels

[primal plank]

ain't got no time for reading

[gleaming jacinth]

and i really gotta say

bow girl wins

[worn mural]

^

Rogue too good

[gleaming jacinth]

lich playstyle is resident ultrasleeper

runemaster maybe with a different build

[primal plank]

ngl healing hands rive paladin just hits diff

[gleaming jacinth]

but if stuff stays roughly the same

ill never do anything but rogue

these other builds are so slow

[naive crag]

rogue is so bae

[gleaming jacinth]

tbh death seal lich can be really fast cause u got double dash all the time

[worn mural]

plague lich is buckets of cool too

aura of decay

[gleaming jacinth]

yea thats what i played until like lv 70

did u see my dot/poison damage at that point

[worn mural]

do you have reason to suspect I would have?

[gleaming jacinth]

idk cant remember if u were around

https://i.imgur.com/WlZ6gxt.png

[worn mural]

I was not

shiny tho

I need a herald of the scurry so I can make the squirrel king

only non-rogue/acolyte I'll play

[primal plank]

500 corruption

good enough

[naive crag]

FUUUUCK

once again a 3lp and it takes 1 prefix +2 suff

[primal plank]

@naive crag pov you're catching up

[naive crag]

damn i was like 200 behind

how much were you

[primal plank]

400

[naive crag]

dayum

i will do some arenas to try and get the boots

wish me luck

[primal plank]

o7

I have some fusing to do for next character

hopefully I can get a better rolled vessel too

[naive crag]

ok i give up

it has to be the most boring ass shit

i cant believe i have already done 4 weapons with at least 2 LP and never got 2 prefixes

it has to be weighted

[tidal wharf]

oh there was an LE chat

[distant folio]

Oh they already fixed the Soulfire bug not teleporting you to the gambler at the end nice. Also no more DCs

[primal plank]

time to farm t4 julra ?

[distant folio]

Well if you die it still ends the run. That was intended. Now you just don't gotta log in again

[primal plank]

I don't die that often

but when I do it's so tilting

[distant folio]

Then farm away

Oh I know I haven't ran a dungeon is so long cause of it lmao

[primal plank]

I already have one vessel of strife

idk if I care to farm that shithole for another 7% drop

[naive crag]

i wanted to farm the arena boots

i gave up after 3

they didnt even drop once and i want them with 2lp gg

[distant folio]

Any healing effectiveness enjoyers

[woeful bolt]

insane vk buff

[primal plank]

Healing hands LOG IN

Shame the shield is crap

[proven ridge]

If bladedancer wasnt dead already

[distant folio]

They've already said they're fixing that btw

[woeful bolt]

ye ik just funny meme

[full zephyr]

uh oh LE-61 is back

[night field]

[night field]

it started out strong with cdr into health, sadge

[primal plank]

@woeful bolt ngl idk how I feel about cof rank 10

[woeful bolt]

wdym

[primal plank]

idk the duplicate feels underwhelming ?

ig it gives you some bad luck protection on crafts and slams but that's about it

[subtle jolt]

Talking about rank 10 and not 9

Set times btw

[primal plank]

didn't expect 9 to be good

I thought 10 would just be double items

[subtle jolt]

9 needs rework

[primal plank]

gave me my rare rings easier tho

[sick stratus]

Damn mathil went off on d4 yesterday

[subtle jolt]

Wrong chat

[woeful bolt]

all arpg chats are the same d4bad

[subtle jolt]

Le-61

[sick stratus]

yeah bro we just cycle the ARPG default channel depending on which season is out

but he was talking about LE in his video so

[gleaming jacinth]

it is just double items from prophecies

but thats still insane for targeted farms

[primal plank]

not it's not

it's spawn an extra copy of each item

which is ok if you get a good item from one

but most of the time it's just twice the junk

[woeful bolt]

double gamba

idk its pretty good

[gleaming jacinth]

wait so it duplicates, not just doubles

[primal plank]

it's ok, it's less good than I thought it would be

[woeful bolt]

it depends if you're just looking for one of a thing or multiple i guess

[gleaming jacinth]

that is actually worse imo

[woeful bolt]

but when you do get a nutty exalted, getting double the hits is good

[primal plank]

I mean yes and no

unless the craft gets mega bricked

what good does it do you

to have that god exalted twice

[queen ember]

is it useful if you're just looking for anything useful? asking for a friend

also people are hiding the mourningfrosts from me @gleaming jacinth

[primal plank]

I mean unless you plan on playing 1 character for very long, or two for a decent amount

[queen ember]

everyone's got them in their stash

[primal plank]

you're not reaching cof 10

[fierce hemlock]

lookk outside oxi plenty of morning frost on the ground

[queen ember]

its 50 degrees out brother

wdym

[fierce hemlock]

expand ur horizon

ur living in ur self centered bubble if you look outside about 500 miles north u will find what u are looking for

[queen ember]

one of these is not like the other

wtf is sunday's problem

[fierce hemlock]

had to remind you whos in charge

[primal plank]

can't be sunny when you're allowed to do nothing and chill outisde

[queen ember]

roughly a month away from comfortable golf weather

[fierce hemlock]

put a coat on

[queen ember]

[gleaming jacinth]

man steel really is having a blast in LE isnt he

crazy how much he even plays offstream

[fierce hemlock]

dudes probably just happy theres something new

Id imagine all those poe heavy streamers are big fans of any even decent arpg coming out just to break up monotony

[gleaming jacinth]

i mean yea for sure

glad hes doing what ive been doing and just go for new builds instead of pushing higher

cause i feel like that really takes the fun away

[naive crag]

also if you are super unlucky like me extra good bases for exalteds are huge

im o/5 on getting 2 prefixes on weapoins with 2-3 LP

[woeful bolt]

cof def still needs buffs if they want it to be on par with merchant guild though

it doesn't feel bad by any means but it isn't as powerful

[gleaming jacinth]

remove rank 9

actually double items from rank 10

cause i felt like its to improve ur targeting of items

like if u wanna farm red ring, orians eye etc

having prophecies doubled is obv doubling ur farming speed

duplicating doesnt reallyyyy do that much for that imo

sure u might hit a 2nd 1lp or something if ure lucky but the base item is what ure hunting first of all

[subtle jolt]

frankly

they could make rank 9 what 10 is and 10 doubles that

and itd be fine

cuz merchants is just op

hurr durr buy bis

[gleaming jacinth]

that would be an option

[tidal wharf]

trying to make a build with the detonate arrow daggers, seems futile

cant do giga melee sapper bullshit

[naive crag]

cant you?

[woeful bolt]

just add explosive trap

makes it busted

[tidal wharf]

nah u cant do melee only explosive trap detonate arrow

the melee thing on et is one attach only and cant proc da in my testing

sjnce u need mulyiple

so u can knly do throw explosive da

wanted to do like shadow cascades to attach explosives to proc detonate arrow

or even the fire melee skill as the trigger

[fossil bison]

You can

And its incredibly op

Or well, you cant make explosive trap melee, but that doesnt matter when detonating arrow does the damage it does

[tidal wharf]

yea i know

just not the melee sapper i wanted

mostly just complaining about the melee explosive trap nodes

[woeful bolt]

ehehehe

rank 10 dividends

[naive crag]

14% chance to shock inc

[woeful bolt]

min is 24

[naive crag]

oh nice roll

[woeful bolt]

two shots for me to get int on it

if i had any t7 int rings

[naive crag]

be like me and miss 5 2 and 3 lp slams on weapons

but the chance to stun?

ALWAYS there

[full zephyr]

I slammed double chance to stun on my 2 LP maw

[minor bay]

1% more more damage

reads so fucking bad, ngl

[fierce hemlock]

how many stacks of shock can u realistically get up to

[naive crag]

10

it is quite easy to keep it up

[primal plank]

wtf there was a meteor shadow that was bugged

I thought my monitor was bricked

[woeful bolt]

i have like 250+% cast speed, 10 stacks is perma

[toxic apex]

this channel already has more messages than the League one

[night field]

[minor bay]

no mad alchemists

[night field]

got one with 2 lp i think

[night field]

i cant get allres on my cradle wtf

20 shields in

still no allres

[naive crag]

dayum

[distant folio]

Rare mod is rare

Think it's the rarest shield mod

[worn mural]

lagon is SO cringe for minion builds

[naive crag]

why they die?

or minion aggro

[worn mural]

acolytes don't have many tools for minion res, so lagon's slam or lightning sweep attacks basically wipe out every minion, and it's SO time and mana taxing to resummon

It's a solved issue though. I was only using them as a levelling build to get to 70

All hail our wraith overlord

[naive crag]

nice

YASSS

can even dupe it

for praydge fodder

[worn mural]

v nice

[woeful bolt]

so many 0lp twisted hearts

[night field]

Broo sick

[hollow sparrow]

Strength?

[naive crag]

it is what it is

wish it was ms or vitality but hey

[hollow sparrow]

Is it r5?

[naive crag]

yea

[hollow sparrow]

Maybe chaos or try to seal

Ah well

Unluigi

Much health and cdr tho

[gleaming jacinth]

dex health and cdr

[naive crag]

yea i divined it will also dupe it to slam into some boots

[gleaming jacinth]

pretty good for a 3lp

[naive crag]

ye

problem is i dont think i will see chariots 3lp ever kekw

i can use suloron's too but need to fix some extra phys

also damn mobs in higher corrus are snapping my neck

might change some idols to more health

another funny thing is i think my endgame will be with a lot of mana to try and use that last node of rogue

[gleaming jacinth]

steel already 99 on his runemaster

[night field]

only got thesee

[errant hatch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/919893093841514526/1216084136540901446/image.png?ex=65ff199b&is=65eca49b&hm=6a6d22e058d42704e9352be783933acf57f204df7cc4469e02f8ce3be40fe4a9&

[tidal wharf]

damn died again 😦 hc offline

giga offline graveyard

[worn mural]

that's a lot of re-levelling

[tidal wharf]

yea

the 41 was just a test for detonate arrow shenanigans

died while leveling cuz im dumb

lol

the 26 was also just a dumb death

[worn mural]

I don't play hardcore in arpgs. Sometimes the death is entirely out of your hands

that's the nature of the genre

[tidal wharf]

i dont usually

im only playing hc in last epoch because offline mode exists

and its significantly easier than poe

mostly because offline exists

also i started launch hc as a meme, but now i just have too much shit on hc to want to play on sc this cycle

[worn mural]

same but offline instead of online

not that I'd play with friends anyway, I outpace them in any arpg I play because I approach the game differently

[tidal wharf]

my friends were playing online and wanted to do group shit. i said nah i wanna just play the game

so i skipped online bc of all the loading issues

[worn mural]

they're like 10 hours to monos, I'm like 6hrs one sitting full campaign blitz

[tidal wharf]

ye

[worn mural]

3.5 with dungeon skips

[tidal wharf]

i go straight into mono's on relevels now

just finish up the campaign for points and idols later

[worn mural]

Doesn't outcasts start at like 56?

[tidal wharf]

yea

but umbral blades is broken

lol

[worn mural]

feel like you wanna at least get to ~25

[tidal wharf]

shrug, its nbd

[worn mural]

rush early passives, dungeon skip soulfire to heoborea to finish the last idols and grab liath tower for the last passive

then backtrack and skip sanctum to get straight to divine majelka

[tidal wharf]

ye

i usually just level monos till im bored then do skips and make my proper build

usually end up at 50-60 before i do skips

[worn mural]

fair

I honestly didn't even realise you could do monos from the start

[tidal wharf]

yea

u cant tp to one directly off the bat

[worn mural]

thought you at least needed to get like, mastery

[tidal wharf]

u just walk to it

yea i get mastery then walk to mono

[worn mural]

well, I guess that's the first time you get to end of time, actually

[tidal wharf]

yea

[worn mural]

fair enough

[tidal wharf]

usually 16ish by the time u get to eot

so u haev umbral blades ready

as rogue atleast

and enough points for shadow daggers

[worn mural]

mastery at 16 is overlevelled for me

usually I get 15 from the quest to get my mastery

[tidal wharf]

im killing and walking while i get to eot portion

prety ez with early dot shenanigans

[worn mural]

yeah puncture op

[tidal wharf]

puncture op + bleed/ignite chance on gear

[worn mural]

love rogue

[tidal wharf]

ye

[worn mural]

and acolyte

[tidal wharf]

thats why i have so many rogues

LOL

[worn mural]

I was gonna try a falcon fists build

[tidal wharf]

i was trying melee detonate arrow, but its not possible to do it the way i wanted

[worn mural]

saw a guide, they were like "it's pretty quick and efficient" then proceeded to show footage of them running into packs and doing like 2 cinderstrike combos to kill rares

[tidal wharf]

next build if i play one is shuriken falconer

[worn mural]

I was like "that's the slowest build I've seen in my life, and I've watched someone level hammer toss"

[tidal wharf]

since ive already done shuriken blade dancer

[worn mural]

falconer is just an upgraded version of bladedancer

[tidal wharf]

ye

[worn mural]

better defensives, cooler mobility, passive damage, you really don't need the +1 shadow from mastering BD or either of its 30+ skills

the most efficient umbral autocaster we've ever had on the class

and tactical birb missile

[tidal wharf]

dive bomb op

[worn mural]

only thing I've seen that eclipses dive bomb

is wraithlord's harbour

insane build

[tidal wharf]

ya

at least rogue isnt defensively op

[worn mural]

doesn't need to be

[tidal wharf]

50k ward shenanigans

[worn mural]

when its mobility skill is also its clear skill, stuff dies before it hits you

[tidal wharf]

ya

[worn mural]

playing the necromancer levelling build

made me realise how much I really valued the falcon's invulnerability

when a single lagon lightning sweep takes out 5 skele mages, a bone golem AND an abomination (something that takes about 25 seconds worth of effort to resummon - hard to do in a boss fight)

[proven ridge]

Finally got my puter back

:D

Now to eepoch

Hope it isnt the last

[naive crag]

LETS GOOO

im thinking of equipping only 1lp varions and shattered chains and try to slam CDR only on those

and just change 2 of my large idols to 3 of hp +hp%

thoughts?

from

to

[night field]

welp thats a welcome surprise

[naive crag]

lets gooo

[distant folio]

Solid

[proven ridge]

hacha can u import your build in le tools builder?

curious on the bladedancer build

oh wait

hehehehhee

anyone having very high gpu usage?

i guess its the memory leak going on tho my memory usage is below 30%

restarted the game and the gpu usage lowered

[naive crag]

there is alil memory leak i think

also have to update it a bit

think it is way better to use a 1lp or even no lp shattered chains and vaions vs what i have rn

even if my exalted boots and belt are kinda good

and just get hp on idols

[night field]

bro pls

i just want this one belt but instead i get this

[proven ridge]

im glad i made the change to try blades

its way more fun than i remembered

[proven ridge]

thats a locus queen weapon if ive seen one

[primal plank]

41 roll

Actually worse than a good katana

[pine oracle]

blade of edging lets go

[worn mural]

blades?

[proven ridge]

Bladedancer

[proven ridge]

heh

[proven ridge]

im doing an extremely weird cook on bladedancer

inspired by hacha build but taking it in another direction

basically a "flicker strike"

[proven ridge]

fuck im so mad

this game hates me

i thought this would proc cascade

like synchro strikes

i dont rlly get where the interaction comes from

or does synchro not use cascade and its just a visual effect?

ok it doesnt

[naive crag]

it takes the shadow to hit additional

[proven ridge]

At least umbral works

I guess i can still cook something

Or maybe not with cascade but with explosive trap

Although mirage has a chance to cast cascade on hit

But idk

Ill have to look for uniques and sets see if something makes it work

[subtle jolt]

ye this has been a thing

imagine doing that dungeon normally

xd

[proven ridge]

I guess this could kinda work

Hm

So i guess i can cook with shurikens?

[woeful bolt]

ya

lightning shurikens is very good

[worn mural]

this plus the chakram variant of shurikens is stonks

with t7 lightning shuriken on chest

[proven ridge]

Hmmm

I guess we move on from cascade then

[worn mural]

do it

live your dream

[naive crag]

da fuq all vaions with 1 lp have disappeared

[proven ridge]

the real question is

how do i use shurikens with mirage

or like how do i proc em

[worn mural]

Simple

you don't use mirage

[proven ridge]

b-but

that was the whole point

😭

[worn mural]

then you probably don't want fulgurite

there's no synergy between the two

(shuriken and mirage, that is)

[proven ridge]

i think we move away from cascade then

[worn mural]

my earlier statement still applies

live your dream

no matter how manic

game's not so difficult as to restrict build diversity until you go to like 300+ corruption

[proven ridge]

i know i know

im just trying to find some synergies

[worn mural]

forget synergy

embrace birb

[proven ridge]

no

no birb

i want bladedancer

[worn mural]

little bit of birb?

[woeful bolt]

u go chakram with sync strike

and throw many chakram

and everything die

[worn mural]

^

that

but no mirage

[proven ridge]

yea

so right now what im cooking is

sync strike summons shadows

which i can consume for more mirages

and when the shadows die they release umbral blades

[worn mural]

maybe friendship was the real umbral blade

[proven ridge]

but umbral blade isnt for damage, or at least not that much

[worn mural]

nor is friendship

see, it tracks

[proven ridge]

im going for cold blades

[worn mural]

cold blades are best blades

[proven ridge]

ok so i can make explosive trap attach on melee hit

[worn mural]

if the blades is too warm the butter melts before you put it on your toast

[proven ridge]

and transform it to lightning

and with that ring mirage can be lightning

theres also a lightning node

[worn mural]

mirage is lightning too if you use fulgurites

[proven ridge]

the what

[worn mural]

lightning node probably not worth taking

the shuriken and mirage dagger you linked

[proven ridge]

ah yea

[worn mural]

60% phys to lightning per fulgurite

and +3

[proven ridge]

i could prob use it till i get the unique

the cool thing about the node is that

it removes bleeding

thus

letting me use this

[worn mural]

doesn't need to inflict bleed

[proven ridge]

i know but it feels like itd struggle on bosses if it doesnt bleed

[worn mural]

bleed to shock is kinda whatever

might be worth for the phys to lightning pen

[proven ridge]

that leaves me with 1 skill open

hmmm

[worn mural]

smoke bomb

more shadows, more mirages

[proven ridge]

right right

good thinking

[worn mural]

also triple shroud

whats the explosive trap synergy here

oh wait

using the melee attacks attach it ye

[proven ridge]

ye

[worn mural]

converting to lightning?

[proven ridge]

i wonder if it counts for every hit

[woeful bolt]

where shift

[marble turret]

It has a cd

[proven ridge]

it has a cd yeah but

mirage lasts more than 1 sec

[worn mural]

shock chance and lightning shred from exp trap

[proven ridge]

yep

im going towards that

[worn mural]

so you don't need the node in mirage to convert phys to lightning

because you're already getting shock and shred from exp trap

[proven ridge]

i prob dont even need the top node

[worn mural]

aspect of the rabbit's really good

or whatever it's called

[proven ridge]

i could also go to these nodes

for more trap chance

[worn mural]

yeah doing something like this maybe

[proven ridge]

yeeeee

i could also go smoke bomb traversal

shroud armor on hit would technically apply to every mirage hit right

[worn mural]

smoke bomb for shadows, smoke blades, dusk shrouds and maybe crimson shrouds

yeah, smoke bomb traversal could work

something like that?

[proven ridge]

if im gonna use smoke as traversal

i wonder if this is worth it

[worn mural]

hm

seems like a pretty long cd

[proven ridge]

guess doesnt hurt to try it out a bit then respec

[worn mural]

hmm

sync strike can be pretty mana hungry then

[proven ridge]

yea

but mirage restores mana

[worn mural]

true

but an 8s cd is way too much tbh, feel like it'd kill the flow of the build

[proven ridge]

yea prob

[worn mural]

mirage has a way to reduce cdr right

no, doesn't seem to

hm

[fossil bison]

On kill

[worn mural]

wait, it does, but that feels lower than I remember

[fossil bison]

But mostly you just use fulgerite and cdr gear

[worn mural]

could've sworn I looked up a build that was hitting mirage every like, 4s

[fossil bison]

Because those nodes suck

[proven ridge]

yea

[worn mural]

oh, fulgurite has cdr, that's it

[fossil bison]

Or rather, theres too many nodes you need for damage, so you cant spend that many points on mediocre cdr

[worn mural]

yeah then adding 8s to sync's cooldown would totally throw the spec off

[fossil bison]

But idk the cascade point sucks too, the chance to proc is just so low

[proven ridge]

it is

thats why i was hoping using mirage would trigger cascade

like

with the shadows

[fossil bison]

Mirage you either need to go full crit multi+lightning or bleed, anything else just blows

[naive crag]

it works 3 ways phys bleed or lightning

[fossil bison]

or shadow daggers ofc

[worn mural]

ur a shadow dagger

[fossil bison]

[worn mural]

:>

[fossil bison]

The conversion node is still kinda fine in the tree because the pen nodes all give phys pen otherwise

[naive crag]

shadow daggers is kinda meh with lethal mirage unless you run 2 penumbras

actually i dont run the conversion node because it ints my bleed

and shards already cap convers anyway

[fossil bison]

Its also +20 flat dmg, which is neat

[naive crag]

not really because the bleed node is 60% more dmg but that is also because i cant apply 20 easy bleeds after i get more bleed duration or other things i may go back to the node

does not help that it also competes with the %more and flat dmg nodes

[fossil bison]

Well obviously not if you run bleed

[naive crag]

i dont run bleed but this node is really important

tbh im quite close only hitting sync strike+ 1 dancing i can get to like almost 20

just need a bit more

also just tried t4 julra with shit gear i took out almost 40% of her hp in one go

pog

then got 1 tapped by the rotating beams

kekw skill issue

now if i manage this change i can equip star dial instead of ocearon too problem is slamming T7 phys or T7 lightning is so pricey

also who bough all vaion's chargers with 1lp

EEEEEZ first try

now i feel dumb by buying 2

[proven ridge]

sell the other one?

oh wait i forgot u cant spin items

[naive crag]

do you think it would be more dmg for stardial(triples stat) crit multi or lightning/phys dmg

[proven ridge]

i kinda forgot what doom does

what do you look for cd recovery in your build tho?

thought your synchro + cascade didnt rlly have much of it

[naive crag]

lethal mirage

kinda want to get it close to 5 secs or so

i will drop cdr on boots to get vaions but maybe i can snipe a 1lp one

[proven ridge]

idk if you can get this with LP

[naive crag]

my best julra T4 one combo was almost half her hp think i can go higher

[proven ridge]

but im gonna use it once i hit the level

[naive crag]

nah set helmets cant get lp

but yea it would have been cool

[proven ridge]

maybe u can find one being sold?

[naive crag]

it is weird yesterday there were 4

now 0

[proven ridge]

idk how itd be to about 5 seconds but try doing the math of 20%cdr + 10% cdr

they arent the max rolls but theyd be good ones

[naive crag]

uh no i already have 5 secs cd

[proven ridge]

oh

[naive crag]

you just need 100% cdr

[proven ridge]

lol

[naive crag]

it is how it works

[proven ridge]

yea

so just looking for damage now?

mmmm

[worn mural]

never really need to amp damage in LE

when you have enough, you have enough

scaling defense is way more important. Not sure how I feel about it

[naive crag]

the idea is to kill bosses with 1 combo

or close to it

the clear will always be kinda whatever with a cd ability

but you can make do

[worn mural]

unfortunately, similar to mapping in poe it's kinda the only real thing

one-cycling bosses is cool, but there's no farm in just killing bosses without running echoes too

[naive crag]

well not right now but there is hope for future bossing thingies

[worn mural]

I guess

[naive crag]

i plan to continue the build into next cycle

but yea it seems players have dropped off a lot maybe when you are offline x days your auctions dont appear

first days there were a lot more of the things i wanted than now

also it works on PoE but if i convert someting from phys-> lightning do it get the increase from phys?

[fossil bison]

no

[naive crag]

i know it does nto double dip but

that is weird then because i have a dagger with +51 phys and another+51 lightning and the tooltip does not change

[fossil bison]

the phys part still benefits from the phys damage

But the lightning part doesnt

[naive crag]

yea no double dips

it just gets the % increase of phys then converts that then

[fossil bison]

No

If youre converting something it doesnt benefit from the element it previously were

Consequently this damage scales with increases to cold damage, but not increases to physical damage.

[worn mural]

currently there's not really enough to keep momentum so a lot of people are just getting situated then chilling or swapping games until next cycle

flat phys does get converted though doesn't it

just not % increase or more

[fossil bison]

Most things only convert the base damage, not the entire spell (not even sure theres any full conversions left) so +physical means youll have some phys damage

[naive crag]

it does seem like everything gets converted

equipping % phys increased dmg even with 100% conversion

seems the only thing that would not get affected by the % phys is the +20 from the tree

as it is on top of the base dmg but only lightning

[fossil bison]

You only convert the base damage

If your weapon or any passives say +1 phys damage

You do phys damage with that

[naive crag]

weapons say melee dmg so they are omnidirectional

idk kinda weird things

[fossil bison]

Implicits yes

Prefixes no

[night field]

damn, wish that was int instead of spell dmg

[woeful bolt]

Reduced cost of Stash Tabs
Stash tabs beyond the first 6 previously cost 10000 more than the previous tab. Now stash tabs 7 to 16 cost 2500 more than the previous tab, and stash tabs beyond the first 16 cost 5000 more than the previous tab. This results in the cost of large numbers of stash tabs being reduced by around 50%.

login

[worn mural]

4hrs 9mins fresh character to campaign done, 15/15 8/8

good route

[naive crag]

damn all day nothing and in 1 mage

i get a 3lp mal and this relic

ez 20 million+

[distant folio]

Oh hey they actually fixed Spine of Malatros

[naive crag]

what was happening to it

[distant folio]

Basically most of the Fissure nodes didn't apply to Flame Whip

Also Flame Whip had no attribute scaling at all

[worn mural]

wait

so my build might work after all because the unique was BROKEN?

also this exp trap volatile ice flask build is criminally fun

[woeful bolt]

i was doing the fire version

good memes

the trap-buchet targeting owns

[worn mural]

this thing with trapbuchet flasks

nutty

[distant folio]

You wanna hear something criminal? My entire time playing this game I've had 1 Kestrel drop

0 lp as well

[worn mural]

life is good, 60+ stacks of dusk shroud

[woeful bolt]

ive had like 10 kestrels wtf

multiple 3lp

[worn mural]

feels really weird, needing a scepter for a rogue build

[distant folio]

Exactly

Super common unique

And I've had 1

[woeful bolt]

that is very cringer

[naive crag]

this is so good

hope it happens soon

[worn mural]

ooooh that's a real nice change

[naive crag]

im going to change to urzil's i think

[worn mural]

time to crack open a cold one with Rahyeh

[naive crag]

to get that sweet more % from this one

need more mana regen and im golden

i also shortened to combo so 1 less ability to press

[woeful bolt]

think alts should get like

min roll blessings or something

[tidal wharf]

just anything

[worn mural]

anything would be nice

[tidal wharf]

literally anything

[worn mural]

pitch

normal blessing unlocks are account wide

snapshots your highest in that category

[primal plank]

wait I reroll into another sorc build

I legit have 2 double exalted items

with god stats

[worn mural]

no don't do it

sorc is cring

[primal plank]

[worn mural]

embrace rogue supremacy

this is ravenholdt after all

[primal plank]

https://tenor.com/view/clone-clones-buzz-lightyear-toy-story-gif-21609842

enough of y'all in here

[tidal wharf]

im a rogue enjoyer

hc graveyard

[worn mural]

maybe die less?

I'm up to 69 on this falconer, no deaths yet

[tidal wharf]

lol

[naive crag]

rogue is rough for surv

[tidal wharf]

one of those deaths i forgot i was in a monolith and was watchign AWC

[primal plank]

not a single 100

[tidal wharf]

i completely alt tabbed

[primal plank]

zero maidens

[tidal wharf]

unfortunately for last epoch, im on a break while i replay dragons dogma dark arisen in prep for dd2

[worn mural]

~780% freeze multi from one item

[proven ridge]

ok im cooking a weird combo rn

so the combo is to get 5 stacks of tempo and 4 of perfection

acid flask or shuriken into smoke bomb into synchro strikes (2 perfection) into 5 flow 4 perfection mirage with all the shadows

ofc its still cooking i need more nodes and level for the dagger

plus dmg nodes like the one that makes mirage deal dmg per bleed

i think if i find a consistant way of standing inside smoke i could spec into this

[proven ridge]

wait hold on

synchronized shadows throw shurikens? lmao

lmaoooo

[tidal wharf]

ye

[proven ridge]

oh and acid flask too

so ig i start the combo with synchro strikes

oh wait if i do that i eat the shadows for mirage

hmmm

[proven ridge]

ok i found the cook

its still not corruption but im also not even close to a good build lmao

[naive crag]

yea im going to update mine today after i do some things https://youtu.be/ei7c1o2hJ_o and i even got more dmg now too i got vaion+stardial

[woeful bolt]

wonder if blessing system would be a lot better if once you had unlocked a blessing defeating any boss let's you reroll any of your blessings rather than just that boss sets

[naive crag]

now wonder how much i can smash julra t4 and other things before i got her to like 60

[woeful bolt]

that way you're not tied to farming a specific domain

[naive crag]

tbh think the new one they teased about unlocking and keeping highest roll is so good

[woeful bolt]

how often are you fully swapping blessings on one char tho

[naive crag]

think it is more about some things you do like being able to change between the resists ones etc will be so good

or from armor-dodge or endu

right now i cba

[tidal wharf]

i think domain farming is fine, i just wish u didnt have to farm domains so much

for blesssings themselves

[proven ridge]

Oh u went for sprint bc of the leggo?

[naive crag]

shift itself is kinda busted it gives like 50% more dmg or more

[proven ridge]

I mean sprint yeah lol

Shift*

Fuck

Im stupid

[naive crag]

in that video i still dont have vaion or stardial

[proven ridge]

I ended up going for decoy instead of sentinel bc it helps me gather mobs in non bosses

Also smoke bomb + the synchro node that makes u invisible and spawn next to you

Basically its like

A 5 second invuln time

While your shurikens spin around you

The cool thing about traversal smoke is that it cures all your aliments and gives u a shit ton of defensives

But i mean you went for the full oneshot lol

With 6 perfection

[proven ridge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/s/1QXaxqwwgQ

Ceo posted about future stuff

[naive crag]

yea it is cool

[primal plank]

friendship with coc meteor ended

I have a new build to murder my frames

[worn mural]

that's the main driver for the lightning chakram build

[woeful bolt]

lol

higher than i would have thought

[naive crag]

fix eeeverything

[sick stratus]

Rip falconer

[primal plank]

why can't I fight my boss

[naive crag]

ok video for the build done now i need to actually write the guide dayum the epochtools site has super cool formatting

it also colors things

[distant folio]

Low roll gloves but nice for leveling

[naive crag]

Ok guide is online now to wait for approval

[woeful bolt]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/s/fcb58eJuL0

lmao

lots of people realising why mid league bug fixing isn't always the best idea

[sick stratus]

Yeah this will kill the game if they do this too often

[hollow sparrow]

Holy

[woeful bolt]

as long as like half the skills/passives have bugs it's not a good idea lmao

it's basically lottery if your build is relying on a bug or not

[naive crag]

i mean did you see the aoe on that boi

no shit it was bugged

[woeful bolt]

i mean

it's equally as likely the devs are just cooked

there's plenty of insanely unbalanced stuff, doesn't necessarily mean it's bugged

that node has been in the game for how long? a year +?

2021

lmao

[sick stratus]

ye but like then it should've been hotfixed a week in or less. not a month or so or mid league.

[woeful bolt]

the build was very known preleague as well

[minor bay]

if they have the fix ready now, why wait until the next big patch with it?

[woeful bolt]

because it will make people playing the build now feel worse and likely demotivate them

imagine if it happens to you multiple times, probably just stop playing

[minor bay]

so instead we should let some people play the game at a much lower difficulty/not as intended, while the vast majority of the community has to play the game the intended way?

[sick stratus]

seli its been a month

[minor bay]

yeah

means people had time to enjoy things and now its getting fixed

[woeful bolt]

you can apply that argument to nerfing builds that are outliers regardless of bugged or not

[minor bay]

i hope they do

[woeful bolt]

mid cycle? why

[sick stratus]

then their game will die really fast

[woeful bolt]

it's so much messier

[minor bay]

because it improved build variety if one build isnt significantly stronger than the others. whats the incentive for someone to play a strictly inferior build, whether its due to bugs or tuning?

[sick stratus]

there's no need to nerf mid league in an inherently seasonal game

[minor bay]

in a game where the main goal is build diversity

[woeful bolt]

i dont think it really does that

if people want to play strong builds they will just go to the next strongest build

[sick stratus]

by that logic every single person should and would play DD ignite in poe but they dont

[woeful bolt]

you're just removing peoples playtime when you could just nerf between cycles

which solves the problem of outliers without making people feel like their time and effort was wasted

[sick stratus]

lots of us didnt play ballista falconer

[minor bay]

so we just let bugs stay for however long the season is gonna last and make people have the wrong experience so we dont hurt anybodies feefees?

[minor bay]

theyre bringing it in line with other builds

thats not "ruining" peoples experience, it balances it out. thats the entire point of balancing.

[woeful bolt]

yes unironically, unless the build is completely gamebreaking i.e. infinite damage or cant die

[minor bay]

i mean

this one is

??

[woeful bolt]

not really

if it was then why are they solely nerfing the aoe

[minor bay]

hitting an entire screen when its supposed to be a fourth of a screen is not gamebreaking? or, when hitting >150 dex, hitting 4x the area youre supposed to?

its literally explained in the post

we dont want gameplay where 1 button press = clear screen

[woeful bolt]

no i would not call that gamebreaking

[minor bay]

the devs are

[woeful bolt]

that's a fine statement for them to make

for a balancing post

[minor bay]

who are you to argue with the devs of their own game?

[woeful bolt]

a customer?

lol

[minor bay]

so?

[woeful bolt]

no opinions on game allowed

[minor bay]

dev says "this is breaking the game we intended it to be played"

[woeful bolt]

good take

[minor bay]

you can go "nuh-uh" but that doesnt change the fact that this is considered gamebreaking

[woeful bolt]

they didn't actually say that

[minor bay]

and the argument isnt "youre wrong, its not gamebreaking because XYZ" but "it feels bad"

every nerf feels bad, no matter when its done

[woeful bolt]

by that logic, any balance change is gamebreaking because 'they dont want xyz'

[minor bay]

i think people just come to LE with the PoE/GGG stance and pov and think this is gonna be more of the same. it aint.

[woeful bolt]

i dont think people mind nerfs after a league as much is over because they are no longer invested in that character

that's not a controversial stance

[minor bay]

if a skill was bugged in the way that it would deal too little damage or not work properly, would you want that fixed asap?

[woeful bolt]

yes, buffing and nerfing are different things

[minor bay]

or have it be broken entire patch?

[hollow sparrow]

[woeful bolt]

that isn't a gotcha

[minor bay]

and that is one of many ways how powercreep happens

a small one, of course

[woeful bolt]

mid league bug fixes to make skill work correctly = good

not controversial

[fierce hemlock]

wait

but this was a mid league bug fix to make a skill work correctly

[minor bay]

but you build a wrong expectation of how the game "should" play by letting people keep playing something broken (and if you dont fix it, more people will switch to the broken build too)

[woeful bolt]

bug fixes that result in a buff*

[minor bay]

yes but it was a nerf so its bad

cuz feefees are hurt

[hollow sparrow]

you do understand that buffing can have the same consequence of ruining investment

[minor bay]

that you cant one-button full clear an entire screen anymore

[hollow sparrow]

because if they buff too much people would feel bad about not doing that new and hot X thing

[woeful bolt]

that doesn't invalidate another character

it just means you have another option to invest in

[fierce hemlock]

imagine if penance brand of dissipation didn't release like it currently is, but was buffed to what it is a month into the league

[minor bay]

just like this nerf

you now have the option to invest into another build

it doesnt invalidate other builds

[hollow sparrow]

another option that might be vastly superior to anything else

[minor bay]

actually it makes them more valuable relatively

[hollow sparrow]

that's the same problem

[woeful bolt]

pretty bad faith to reduce it to a feefee argument so not really interested in continuing this lol

[hollow sparrow]

just different path to it

[minor bay]

because now you can actually play other builds that dont feel like dogwater compared to the broken one

i mean, whats the argument against it then

other than "it feels bad"

[woeful bolt]

ive played zero bugged builds this cycle, has had zero affect on me

[hollow sparrow]

one observation