Last Epoch

[night field]

but they obviously dont care

[worn mural]

I get better performance on amsterdam than london despite being uk based, it's so dumb

[naive crag]

it is because ISP have overbooked connections it is what it is

i have to deal with that a lot

[subtle jolt]

@waxen merlin Found a hidden op

Strun (or any high pellet shotgun) + Primary frostbite, while running corrosive and 2 green shards

Even if it doesnt fully strip it will probably apply around 10~ or so stacks.

And makes basically any level fall over

[fierce hemlock]

wtf does that have to do with last epoch

[subtle jolt]

you know

my discord bugged

and this wsa showing as offtopic for me

but ua re right

[fierce hemlock]

wonder if they find a way to incentivize actually killing shit in a monolith instead of just bumrushing the objective

[hollow sparrow]

Remove objectives

[red light]

monolith is something like GRs for diablo man

the more u push the harder

[hollow sparrow]

They kinda do that by hiding it before you kill enough monsters

[red light]

3 days left btw

[hollow sparrow]

But you mostly just focus on objective anyway, I think that model just isn’t good because it actively detracts from the core fun loop of the game

[fierce hemlock]

enough monsters is like

a pack

[hollow sparrow]

Not really

[red light]

monolith is the core loop my man

[fierce hemlock]

sapzilla i know

ive played the game

[hollow sparrow]

Yes but you don’t push up until it takes you minutes to kill an elite because timer allows

You find comfortable corruption level for your build to blast through them

[red light]

yeah u need to farm and craft stuff 1st

ive bought the game yday btw 😄

[fierce hemlock]

you're missing the point of the conversation

[red light]

u cant actually do monolith without gear

[fierce hemlock]

entirely

[red light]

hold on ill scroll up

plz continue

[fierce hemlock]

the point is that they aren't like greater rifts bc they basically incentivize rushing the objective asap, in gr you had to fill a bar before the boss spawned

[hollow sparrow]

I think they should make monolith paths more about layout/bad mods you get and not about the rewards

Because of pretty much didn’t even look at bad mods, I was like “exalted rings, sign me up”

[fierce hemlock]

yeah i haven't looked at mods

at all

[red light]

ah ye sure,its diff there until now ofc

[hollow sparrow]

As opposed to say poe maps where reward from them is generic monster loot + mechanic of your choosing which are untied to mods most of the time, and you focus on bad stuff

[fierce hemlock]

90% of them seem to be some variant of "the mob takes a bit longer to kill" or "the mob hits a little harder"

[hollow sparrow]

I think that might be the core of the problem

[fierce hemlock]

not like poe where some mods would actively brick your build

[hollow sparrow]

Monolith path is trying to do too many things at once

Evaluate layout + bad mods + reward

And you just default to only picking the latter 🙂

Based on the last one

[fierce hemlock]

if anything

make mods deadlier

dont cap them at 2

cap them at like 5 going on at once

maybe then you will see some risk/reward evaluation in regards to pathing

[hollow sparrow]

They linger so there are more of them at the same time or what do you mean

[fierce hemlock]

currently 2 of them linger

[hollow sparrow]

I believe sometimes they stay for more than 3 echoes

But maybe I am delusional on that

[hollow sparrow]

That doesn’t really work when people see rewards

[fierce hemlock]

maybe in empowered?

[hollow sparrow]

Look at any poe mechanic that is “pick your own challenge”

Legion, crucible, woods, etc

People just go ham when allowed

I think that idea is just against human nature when equation has rewards in it

[fierce hemlock]

or if anything

make the beacon nodes a little rarer

make them reveal rewards instead

[hollow sparrow]

Increasing corruption level is blanket rewards increase

I think that’s good enough already to make me wanna advance the web

[fierce hemlock]

but this is all diverging from my original point

[hollow sparrow]

And different timelines offer targetability already

[fierce hemlock]

i wonder if they will incentivize actually clearing maps like POE has it or if it will forever be destructive play boss rush playstyle

tho i guess its not really fair to judge until a few seasons have gone by and there's extra content

[hollow sparrow]

And my point to your original point is that I don’t think it’s possible as long as echoes have rewards for completion

Which might be not true but for now I think that’s the main issue with monos

I wanna kill mobs because it’s actually satisfying to slay packs

But it’s also inefficient)

[fierce hemlock]

yea

target farming nodes in monoliths is a cool idea but it might be too ambitious

they already have the blessings that give extra droprates and shit, just have them apply extra to a timeline boss and remove targeted nodes on monolith

that would give incentive to slay packs in nodes because it would be more efficient to grind up stability for some builds

[fossil bison]

When i played a full crit multiplier build and accidently put full crit avoidance on all the mobs so i did like 15% of my usual damage

That wasnt very nice

Since like you said you rarely pay attention to the downsides, you just go for the rewards

[fierce hemlock]

falconer gloves seem cool

wonder if these will be bis though or if they’ll just be a good alternative in midgame until you get an endgame weap

[subtle jolt]

Unarmed

Interesting

[minor bay]

https://tenor.com/view/smash-bros-falcon-punch-captain-falcon-nintendo-ultimate-gif-18215078

[naive crag]

CINDER PAUNCH

i'm going bladedancer first kinda truckin with it

so far

[full zephyr]

ill just do one of the starter builds posted by some poe dude

maybe the cyclone cwc stuff

[naive crag]

ahaha

some void knight power?

they are super busted

[fierce hemlock]

yeah im thinking reaper death seal lich for rme

looks fun

not doing shadow daggers bladedancer bc honestly the playstyle is kinda annoying

[sick stratus]

pov palsteron doing a totem build

[full zephyr]

I saw the thorn totem starter, didnt look too bad

[gleaming jacinth]

just dont overthink ur starter

any build can go pretty far in LE

[hollow sparrow]

yeah, LE has(d) very few bad skills

going to 200-400 corruption and tasting the game is possible on anything

[minor bay]

ye

campaign is piss easy

except for like

2 boss fights

where dps kinda matters

cuz good dps = fewer mechanics 😄

[naive crag]

yea im a super bad player and had no issues

[gleaming jacinth]

just go with whatever looks cool & fun to play

and ull be fine

[wooden turtle]

Gonna play wednesday

big hypers

[naive crag]

our raid moved to sunday/monday

[hollow sparrow]

sliding warlock looks fun

no idea how it is on st tho

[gleaming jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/bambi-disney-skate-ice-skating-cute-gif-17213698

this kinda sliding?

[wooden turtle]

going to go either spellblade or one of the rogue ones

Maybe bird man

[sick stratus]

anyone have a tier list I can check out

[night field]

imma go warpatch fireburst thingy

[arctic python]

This game is about having fun

[gleaming jacinth]

can i have fun with you

[arctic python]

I will stay up to play on release with you

[gleaming jacinth]

i wont even play on release

last exam is on the 24th

[arctic python]

you will crush it

Which one are you taking first

[gleaming jacinth]

i had maths today, went as expected which was not great

wed i have computer systems which should be chill and on sat i have imperative programming

and then we go home and game last epoch all night

[arctic python]

Nice goodluck and good vibes comin

[sick stratus]

I'm a poe player efficiency above all

so I need a tier list to show me the S+ tier starters

[fossil bison]

Starters in the way the exist in poe dont really exist in LE

Sure theres some builds where you need X uniques to function but since its easy to respec your character you can just play some other skills until you find those uniques, you dont need a seperate other character

[sick stratus]

eleem

we're being a little silly

causing a touch of mischief

[fossil bison]

Yes i know

[sick stratus]

acting like a scallywag

[fossil bison]

scallywanker?

[naive crag]

obviously best way is just to play with 4 accounts

3 supports 1 main

[wooden turtle]

what time is it coming out wednesday?

Oh 6pm euw time not bad at all

Doubt the servers survive with the hype im seeing but fuck it

[night field]

glad im working till 8pm

maybe i get in at like 9

[sick stratus]

oh it's out wednesday

[naive crag]

you get the patch then offline it up

0 trust in server krangling

unless you have friends then likely it will be disconnect rondo

[hollow sparrow]

Should’ve called me

[sick stratus]

@tired wraith WE TRAP HOES

[sick stratus]

ok im down to play with yall

we gaming

@minor baywhat u playing

I think Im gonna play falconer trapper

[minor bay]

nanya

[sick stratus]

nanya?

[minor bay]

nanya business

[sick stratus]

oh fuck

LMAOOOO

[minor bay]

https://tenor.com/view/dab-dabbing-kid-dab-kid-dabbing-cool-dab-gif-20792759

dunno honestly

my fav builds so far were poison lich where i just ran around and everything died to poison aura

or ignite sorc

might play runemaster since i didnt play it yet, or warlock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGNB-ZuNREo

[marble turret]

No starters just choose what sound fun and play

If it not feel good just respec to another thing that sound fun

Very simple

Theres a planner you can use to mess around, not as good as pob obviously but can help plan stuff out if you want

Theres one on maxroll too but the ui for it is a warcrime

Some skill nodes and passives for falconer & lock aren’t completely current just disclaimer

[queen ember]

like the rest of their content

[naive crag]

volunteer UI/UX people

paid in rupees

[sick stratus]

but whats best

[marble turret]

Shut up

Stop being a cuck

[queen ember]

that's Hataro's Mission Impossible

[arctic python]

@sick stratus actually you won’t like this game

Really bad and not fun don’t waste your time

[hollow sparrow]

Hataro isn’t grizzled he has a chance

[sick stratus]

wait why you going in on grizz

[hollow sparrow]

Because everything is dogshit to him

[red light]

im gonna try sentinel or rogue,dunno what ascendancy yet im completely clueless 😄

[subtle jolt]

Debating whether i am going melee or ranged rogue

multishot is currently bugged as shit but might be fixed

on release

[red light]

i think im going ranged rogue if i decide to play rogue

still havent made up my mind,sentinel looks cool

[sick stratus]

im playing bird

https://tenor.com/view/i-want-my-bird-ivan-vanko-iron-man-iron-man2-marvel-gif-21230157

[gleaming jacinth]

i shouldve

[gleaming jacinth]

because hes a meta slave

that just copies poeninja builds

[barren pollen]

Hello OP

[subtle jolt]

I always want to play multishot when I see one.

If it's not bugged as shit still I will

[full zephyr]

I couldnt get into monoliths properly, I havent made it too far, partly because it was early access

[toxic apex]

Why do they pronounce epoch like eepock

I swear that is not correct

maybe a non american thing

[sick stratus]

wdym so am i

well actually nah I ain't I played stormbrand last league

[full zephyr]

I play what I feel like

[toxic apex]

Last epic sounds cooler as well

game is ruined

[full zephyr]

idk, its eepok

any other way doesnt feel right

[hollow sparrow]

what is the correct way?

[toxic apex]

epic

[hollow sparrow]

what about word epic then

they sound the same?

[toxic apex]

ye

[hollow sparrow]

okay that's weird to me

[red light]

eepok is closet to ''εποχη'' which is Greek for ''Era'' which is the root of Epoch

[toxic apex]

Looks like it's just an american thing to say it like epic

[full zephyr]

[tired wraith]

LAST EPIC

[red light]

Happens that im half Greek so i know how epoch sounds and also how ''εποχη'' 😄

and no u suck

😄

[subtle jolt]

Who calls it epic

I say 'E-pock'

Like a normal person

[red light]

thats also not correct but less wrong

could settle for that

[subtle jolt]

But that's going to be a normal persons reading of it I feel.

Not epic.

Whoever reads it as epic is.

[red light]

true,thats why i said we can settle

lord Guy is just trolling

[hollow sparrow]

e-po-ha?

in greek

oh its e-po-he if google translate is correct

interesting

[red light]

ai-po-chi as it sounds for greek

yup

[queen ember]

I mean any American will read it as "epic"

[hollow sparrow]

close to Russian

[red light]

Russian is a language written by two Monks Kyrilos and Methodios

[hollow sparrow]

you are talking about written not spoken one tho

[red light]

well its the whole package

[subtle jolt]

That's just not true

[hollow sparrow]

those are different beasts

[red light]

theyve invented it

[queen ember]

british english pronounces it ee pock, american english pronounces it eh-pock which sounds like epic

[hollow sparrow]

they only invented written language

people already communicated by talking

[red light]

well true just not in that language

[subtle jolt]

Every american I know, the majority of my friend group, calls. It E-pock

[queen ember]

ah yes

[hollow sparrow]

wdym not in that langauge

what

[red light]

what what?

the language didnt exist before that

it was different

[hollow sparrow]

you don't change how you pronounce words based on how you write words

[queen ember]

the wonderful anecdotal fallacy

[red light]

u pronounce words based on how the letters in each language are read

[subtle jolt]

I'm sorry I can't look at that word and think of anyone who would say epic.

[hollow sparrow]

you construct written language to describe sounds that are already there

letters just designate sounds, nothing else

[red light]

well ye but it wasnt invented like that

[hollow sparrow]

you don't suddenly change how you speak when you learn how to write or read

[subtle jolt]

Rendezvous

[red light]

they took an already existing dialect and reform it

[hollow sparrow]

that makes no sense

[subtle jolt]

Be like

[red light]

basicly hold on there should be an actual PHD thesis about it

we cant be talking thin air

[hollow sparrow]

The creation of the characters is popularly attributed to Saints Cyril and Methodius, who may have created them to facilitate the introduction of Christianity. It is believed that the original letters were fitted to Slavic dialects in geographical Macedonia specifically (the Byzantine theme of Thessalonica). The words of that language could not be easily written by using either the Greek or Latin alphabets.

you need letter to encompass words that already exist

I mean that makes sense

[red light]

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Nina-Berberova here we go

actual citation

wait what why is she in the link

the hell

[subtle jolt]

Probably the author of that page

[red light]

stupid university links redirect the person before the work

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language this is the root link,still has citation in it so its solid

so doesnt rly matter how the actual languange was written or produced if we know the actual root

[hollow sparrow]

citation to what exactly

[red light]

to where the russian languange originates from and how it all begun

basicly to everything

[hollow sparrow]

[red light]

its a long read ik

[subtle jolt]

Word make word

Why need know where word from

[red light]

it doesnt matter if im right or u are right man,its all there

pointless

[hollow sparrow]

what the origin of it has to do, I don't get it
the point of argument was this - you are sating letters shape the language and I am saying that letters only describe speaking one

okay

[red light]

maybe is a language barrier coz i didnt rly mean that

its also clear in the link that the language itself is dissected into parts,the verbal the written etc

so ye i was referring on the actual russian language

but anyway whatever

like it matters

[naive crag]

yea lots of different ways to say pedro alberto riquelme

[marble turret]

Never heard anyone epoch as epic

Youre cooked solo

[queen ember]

yall are crazy as fuck

the epoch times "news" company is literally pronounced "the epic times"

[arctic python]

I thought it was epic

[red light]

nono thats wrong for sure 😅

[queen ember]

british english - ee-pok
american english - eh-puk

[arctic python]

I went to college

[queen ember]

there's zero debate for this lmao

idc what anyone's anecdotal evidence is

[arctic python]

My favorite YouTuber who makes meta guides

[marble turret]

Epic not correct

Sorry

[queen ember]

except it is

[marble turret]

Wrong

[queen ember]

it's the american dialect of english pronounciation of Epoch

if you don't like it, take it up with America

[marble turret]

Dont need to type anymore after i said wrong btw

[hollow sparrow]

That’s why I like math

There is one kind of right

Provable

[queen ember]

there's provable things in language too

but people are never wrong ig

[marble turret]

Yea my proof is the letter o doesn’t make an i sound

W’s in the chat

[queen ember]

yes, surely that's the case in every single word in the english language

surely there's never been words where letters aren't pronounced based on the sound of the individual letter

[marble turret]

Where does O behave like you are describing

[arctic python]

Women

[subtle jolt]

yes and no sadly

Thanks to pemdas and bomdas existing and some learning it as p-e-m-d-a-s and some as p-e-md-as

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1092121579212767362.gif?size=48&name=cheesinbutgif&quality=lossless

[arctic python]

Prison

Gibson

[queen ember]

no man

you're wrong

as is every other academic setting in the United States

because their friends pronounced it ee-pock

[arctic python]

I’m giving you all more examples rn

Lmao

[marble turret]

No one taught me to pronounce it that way btw thats just how i pronounced it since i knew how to read

[subtle jolt]

Okay how about this

[hollow sparrow]

Wdym no. There is order of operations and there is specifically obscure way of writing something

[subtle jolt]

The game director says 'e-pock'

simple

done

argument over

[sick stratus]

already worse than poe L

[arctic python]

Oh the game director is an idiot too?

Nice

[hollow sparrow]

The only unprovable stuff in math is still true thanks to goedels incompleteness

[subtle jolt]

It's e-pock my dude

If the literal game director / designers say it

[sick stratus]

TF IS THIS

game for 10 year olds

[queen ember]

do you pronounce gif, as in Gif or Jif

[subtle jolt]

I meant that a lot of problems have two answers depending on how you were taught

IT's really weird to me that it's even a problem and we can't have a complete system

[queen ember]

because the literal guy who invented the format pronounces it Jif

[marble turret]

Depends on how im feeling tbh

[subtle jolt]

but it is solvable with a better equation

[marble turret]

Ive used both gif and jif

[subtle jolt]

I think the reason this one makes less sense is it's 'graphics interface.'

[sick stratus]

ok we ready for thursday

[arctic python]

@queen ember drone strikes are now not war crimes and cool and correct because Obama says so

[subtle jolt]

How does this relate.

[hollow sparrow]

If you write it obscurely on purpose I don’t think that’s math issue

[red light]

ahhaahha wth man

[sick stratus]

[marble turret]

Man so hard to decide what to staft

[sick stratus]

dissapointed

[marble turret]

Start

[queen ember]

btw https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/05/25/epic-epoch/

[sick stratus]

behold

[red light]

He just wants a name that ''clicks'' for him

[hollow sparrow]

random.org

[red light]

HAHAHAHA u are sick

cant imagine what ppl think when they try to trade u or direct whisper

[sick stratus]

I mean most my poe chars are tame

my first ever league char

[red light]

HAHAHAHAHA

unreal

[hollow sparrow]

If you have a fun nickname they say “nice nickname”)

[marble turret]

Ik its something within falconer just not sure what, too many potential choices

[sick stratus]

dk

are you becoming a bird lover too

[hollow sparrow]

Poison aerial assault looks interesting

[red light]

idk man that kinky sht ''taunts'' weirdos

like slayer dong

would imagine DD d@cks@cker420bro

[queen ember]

someone once told me they "love that song" when my character's name was SmallTownAldean

and they gave me a discount on the trade

people are weird

[sick stratus]

poe has no filter on names

[red light]

''hi i want ur divine orb for my chaos orbs''

[sick stratus]

or very little

[queen ember]

Santos OF Acct got some good laughs

[sick stratus]

people have literal anime traps in their hideouts

[queen ember]

as did Boeberts Popcorn

[hollow sparrow]

People would report you if you are going overboard

[queen ember]

my fav is my RF Jugg

BosnianSeesaws

I'll let you look that one up on urban dictionary yourself

[sick stratus]

mine are usually along the lines of "skill or archetype I'm playing" + ascendancy

[queen ember]

coward

[sick stratus]

but more creative

I'm getting better oxi

[hollow sparrow]

There is no such thing as better oxi

Oxi is perfect

[sick stratus]

my seismic trappers

[red light]

true and real

[queen ember]

I also have HunterBidenLaptop

[sick stratus]

poets pen arc ele when it was broken

[queen ember]

all my names just meme on american politics

[sick stratus]

this one pretty good too

actually don't step on my Js might have been better or something

anyways

I am hype now for thursday

wish you can play with us big guy

[queen ember]

thursday?

it releases wednesday big guy

[sick stratus]

oh ffs today is monday isn't it

[queen ember]

or are you focusing on the fact that the servers will be unplayable day 1

cause fair

they're barely playable now and the game hasn't fully launched

[naive crag]

you dl patch then go offline

unless they take that one off

but if you want to play with friends i have bad news likely LUL

[hollow sparrow]

yeah idk about offline

might as well not play

[queen ember]

bro fuck party play in that game

I would actually become bald

ripping my hair out from the rubber banding

[naive crag]

the best on is when someone gets stuck in a loading screen

then you know you're next

[queen ember]

I really hope they fix the issues

cause the game has so much potential

[naive crag]

well scalability is not as easy as just pay more LUL

[queen ember]

and the arpg scene really really needs more content

it can't just be poe

that's unhealthy for the genre

[naive crag]

yea big dream is i can alternate PoE1 PoE2 and wow and something else

[queen ember]

which is why I'm confused about people wanting d4 to fail

[naive crag]

just retire from IRL

D4 is fine for what it is

people just get too tryhard play 300h

in a league

and expect a lot

[hollow sparrow]

it isn't just poe

[naive crag]

the QoL is super gate kept criminally but it is what it is

[hollow sparrow]

if you wanna goblin mode blast then it is, sure

but it's not the only offering on the market

[sick stratus]

I don't want it to fail I want it to be good but blizz hard to trust

some people just hate blizz

[marble turret]

Ye that was one of the things i cooked up, did indeed look interesting

Ive been honing in on some dive bomb stuff past couple days tho

[naive crag]

blades+poison life

[queen ember]

I'm talking about the poe virgins that go on all d4 content and spam "D4 BAD LUL"

[marble turret]

A dive bomb bleed pop build sounds interesting

[sick stratus]

d4bad

[marble turret]

Or a dive bomb shadow falcon build

[sick stratus]

ye I get it oxi

[hollow sparrow]

I wanna play slide warlock

but it seems like not really main damaging skill

[queen ember]

btw speaking about how bad d4 is, can we talk about how the washington dc gateway is still fucked 4 months after the league launch?

[hollow sparrow]

would be fun tho

[marble turret]

My friend was planning on slide warlock then i think changed off it

[queen ember]

hello? ggg?

[marble turret]

He saw the sword

[sick stratus]

is it?

[marble turret]

And also the uncapped necro resistance ndoe

[queen ember]

yes

ask DK

washington dc gateway uber fucked

@hollow sparrow can we play LE together

[hollow sparrow]

unlikely

[queen ember]

[hollow sparrow]

on release

I work too much

[marble turret]

Yes

Poe has some pretty bad connection stuff here and there

[queen ember]

what if I won the lottery and allowed us both to retire?

[marble turret]

Randomly throughout the league on some days ill just have insane lag issues only in poe, my ping will skyrocket to like 10k+

Like ill have the ping thing open and ill just see it go to the moon and wont stop climbing

[queen ember]

[hollow sparrow]

honestly dunno

[marble turret]

And its only poe

[hollow sparrow]

even if I had the money I am not 100% certain I would work

[queen ember]

the packets got confused and lost

[hollow sparrow]

my brain needs problems to solve

[queen ember]

what if I pay you to solve math problems for me

[hollow sparrow]

lol

[marble turret]

I wish they added some more spear synergies to falconer, what it has doesn’t seem like enough to make spear better for some things

[gleaming jacinth]

whys there so much discussion about the pronunciation of the game

[sick stratus]

ok why is respecing skills annoying af

[toxic apex]

tisu

[woeful bolt]

no wisdom scrolls though he's safe

[gleaming jacinth]

hey luv

[gleaming jacinth]

is it tho

compare it to poe gem swapping without having trade to buy a level 20 skill

[worn mural]

Tbh, that'd be really cool

[marble turret]

I was considering making a dive bomb bleed spear build but spear bases and shit are kinda meh

[sick stratus]

@hollow sparrow WE GAMING WITH BLEEDBOW

actually ngl I don't really like this game

[queen ember]

bleedbow fucks

[marble turret]

Whys that

[sick stratus]

I dont like how it plays

feels slow

like my char is in quicksand

[sick stratus]

IT DOES

[worn mural]

the side benefit is even small increases to movement speed make the game feel way smoother

you don't need to invest in move speed anywhere near as much as you would in poe to get similar feeling smoothness

[sick stratus]

it isn't just that

the game feels janky

poe is smooth

I can't explain it. It's not for me it's ok It's a good game I think

[marble turret]

Bluds gonna pass on a fun game cause his old ass eyes are only loading 30 frames per sec

[hollow sparrow]

if he isn't having fun playing it then it's not fun

[sick stratus]

its def good

[worn mural]

is there just the one spear node in the falconer passive?

oh. 2 I guess

Expert Duelist and Sharpest Point

[marble turret]

Ye theres not really much

Theres some stuff in some skills i think as well?

Like valkyrie in dive bomb

Makes you dive with your falcon

[worn mural]

rending talons though, scale puncture bleed chance and double its effectiveness from your falcon

[gleaming jacinth]

@marble turret help they nerfed my build before release

[worn mural]

which one

[marble turret]

Bleed shadow cascade? What they do to it

[gleaming jacinth]

they nerfed shadow dagger scaling and base

[worn mural]

aw dang, I wanted to do shadow daggers too

[gleaming jacinth]

Now has 68 base damage (from 90) and 340% added damage effectiveness (from 450%)

its probably still fine but its quite a hit

[worn mural]

that's quite heavy

[gleaming jacinth]

its also really awkward to nerf the one skill that 99% of guides recommend for bladedancer

[worn mural]

This'll scale with umbral blades passive tree right?

[gleaming jacinth]

ya, idk if u watched allies guide

[worn mural]

In fairness it was by far the single most efficient damage mechanic available to rogues

[worn mural]

only seen the initial reveal vid

I wanna go shadow dagger falcon shenanigans

[gleaming jacinth]

well yea she obv couldnt take actual footage unfortunately

[worn mural]

falconry, aerial, dive bomb, umbral blades and shift

or something to that effect

[hollow sparrow]

That’s kinda expected. If it’s the only archetype working then it’s above else in power

[gleaming jacinth]

i do agree

[worn mural]

those cinder strike gloves looked kinda fun though

[gleaming jacinth]

oh the unarmed ones?

[worn mural]

yeah

[hollow sparrow]

Sliding warlock or poison falconer

Gotta say I like how they did ailments in LE. Maybe not all should be fixed flat damage tho

[worn mural]

oh thank christ for that

lost track of the number of times flesh amalgam kill time got slowed down by him being pushed into the soul soup

[gleaming jacinth]

think my plan b is plasma orb runemaster

[marble turret]

Oh i thought you were gonna do bleed cascade

[worn mural]

does bleed cascade even work?

[gleaming jacinth]

na i was gonna be on hit

[marble turret]

Ye theres a build for bleed shadow cascade

[worn mural]

hm, interesting

[marble turret]

Looks pretty good

[gleaming jacinth]

but yea id prob pivot into bleed if i still play shadow cascade

[worn mural]

main issue I have with bleed for rogues is puncture and maintaining the stacks

[fierce hemlock]

dunno if you have to play puncture

like 80% of rogue skills all have some bleed lines so you can prob drop it

[marble turret]

Well puncture also has the side benefit of being 0 mana by default

[gleaming jacinth]

prob dont have to play it its just free bleed stacks and adds bleed duration

• free skill to use whenever

[fierce hemlock]

flurry can be put in its place

also 0 mana and stacks bleed

[gleaming jacinth]

idk if the bleed duration does anything to bleed pops

[worn mural]

blood frenzy is just a massive bleed chance mod though

[marble turret]

Ik puncture can also inflict efficacious toxins which is good

[fierce hemlock]

im just saying u dont have to run puncture is all

if thats your only hangup

[worn mural]

I know you don't have to use it, but at the same time it feels like you're inting the build by not opting for it since it's such an efficient skill to scale bleed chance

[arctic python]

You’re laughing. Hataro is unable to enjoy a good game because of his hubris and you’re laughing?

[hollow sparrow]

This looks very interesting

[slim island]

do I start pala and become buff guy and loot grabber for my friends

[red light]

im probably starting with sentinel but im not 100% sure yet,havent decided yet

[minor bay]

the fuck

[sick stratus]

? bro I even said it was a good game it feels weird to play is what I was getting at. Maybe i'll try again on launch

my car won't start so there's that

[minor bay]

oh no

nononono

this is how it starts

hataro car arc 2.0

[minor bay]

think hes just memeing

youre often a bit negative and make very generalized statements as if youre not enjoying the entire game as a result, even though you just have a gripe with 1 thing

thats how it comes across sometimes, anyway

prolly not your intention

[sick stratus]

eh it's fine. The lights are turning on and everything just the engine not turning over. Maybe battery is not enough for that dunno. It was running fine as of 3pm yesterday now suddenly won't start

[minor bay]

still freezing outside for you or?

[sick stratus]

yeah

[minor bay]

yeah prolly just related to that

[red light]

have u checked the gas tank xd

[sick stratus]

I just got gas yesterday so yeah

LMAO

[red light]

got my car the yearly service last week

jsut sayin' 😛

[sick stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/frank-castle-wait-please-stop-please-no-please-gif-21133188

[fierce hemlock]

https://halo.acgbrands.com/en_US/ @sick stratus get one of these they’re pretty good

[sick stratus]

oh I have jumper cables they were a christmas gift one year

[fierce hemlock]

thats jumper cables that work without needing another car

[slim island]

NOCO brand jump packs are pretty good too

thats what a lot of people used at my shop

[fierce hemlock]

yeah jump packs are nice, i can only recommend that one bc ive used jt before

havent used others

[red light]

u have a shop?what kind?

[slim island]

Well the shop I work at

Would never want to own one lmfao

[red light]

ah cool,is that a service thingy

idk ppl do my man

[woeful bolt]

worth noting that the 1.0 patch has a rework of animations supposedly, maybe a second shot after that

i get what you mean though

[versed meadow]

NOCCO?

BUDDY

[barren pollen]

What's Nocco

[versed meadow]

[sick stratus]

[marble turret]

Not One Cent, Can’t Overtime

[toxic apex]

going in blind

[woeful bolt]

warlock looks brrrroken

[barren pollen]

after seeing the patch notes

I'm def going some sort of ballista falconer

[marble turret]

Ballista

I don’t fuck with no ballista’s

[woeful bolt]

rhykker posted a vid with some builds that was like exploding balista somethin

looked nutty

screenwide aoe

[barren pollen]

Yeah there's a bunch of QoL stuff for ballistas as well so it's not as bad as in other games

Like you dash and all the ballistas travel with you

lmao

[woeful bolt]

falconer seems like it's gonna have nutty damage

[fossil bison]

I mean ye its getting a hefty rework/huge buffs, but before ballista was almost unplayable except on bosses

[woeful bolt]

but warlock seems like it has some ungodly synergies to make you stupid tanky

like sustaining 20k ward passively

[marble turret]

Need a special experimental affix for this fyi

You don’t just have this effect

But yes you can have that probably fairly quickly

[woeful bolt]

just trade

[barren pollen]

yeh of course not

[fierce hemlock]

theres an explosive trap node that makes it place ballistas when it explodes

could use that until you get the experimental mod prob

[woeful bolt]

and scales area and damage with dex

looks silly lmao

[barren pollen]

I mean I'm gonna be using that anyways

explo ballistas

[barren pollen]

hmm

[fierce hemlock]

hmm indeed

[night field]

ppl always find things to cry about

[toxic apex]

is trading a thing

Is it crucial to the experience

like poe

[fossil bison]

You get to choose between trading and non-trading

And if you go non-trading you get more drops and better targetting of stuff

[toxic apex]

cool

[fierce hemlock]

from what ive played tho

ssf seems much much more viable than poe

[toxic apex]

gonna offline mode this shit

[fossil bison]

Yes its definitely not nearly as crucial to trade as in PoE, even before the new increased droprate stuff with the factions

[fierce hemlock]

like with my test character not once have i felt the need to trade

and with the ssf bonuses i think ssf will be the way to go even

[woeful bolt]

also even if you go no-trade, if you play enough with a friend you get an item that lets you send them an item

very cool

[red light]

i was planning on going solo but trade might be better

would most likely gear up faster

and trade materials n stuff

game looks like its gonna be hard grinding for those lego potential into omegaslaming epic items

[woeful bolt]

depends i guess because it's all taxed based on favour so you won't be able to just pure trade for everything

[red light]

or exalted

whatever they are called

yeah true

[arctic python]

Obsessed

[toxic apex]

wut

[arctic python]

With that emote

[toxic apex]

[arctic python]

Lmaooooo

[fierce hemlock]

i love that people use cheer now after that person showed up thanking us for it lol

[sick stratus]

[sick stratus]

Time is league launch tomorrow?

[barren pollen]

Whatever that sentence says

Yes

Launches in 22h30m

[fossil bison]

18 my time

[sick stratus]

??

[sick stratus]

What time is that

[barren pollen]

Idk you fucking figure it out

I'm sure you can figure out what 22 hours means

[barren pollen]

Also what do you mean ????

did you read your sentence

time is league launch tomorrow

good sentence bruh

[sick stratus]

Yes. What. Time. Is. League. Launch. Tomorrow.

What. Time. Does. The. League. Start

[barren pollen]

Read it again

missing a word there buddy

tiem is league launch tomorrow

[sick stratus]

I read it. I really don't understand how you didn't infer the "what" at the front of the sentence

[barren pollen]

I did

[sick stratus]

Pk

[barren pollen]

that's why I answered your question

[sick stratus]

So what you going on about cuh

[barren pollen]

The very next reply

[fossil bison]

Imagine its tomorrow at the exact same time as now, then its minus 2 hours

2 hours ago tomorrow

[sick stratus]

[hollow sparrow]

<t:1708534800:f>

noice

[fossil bison]

Lorentz with the technology, impressive

[woeful bolt]

when i first read the announcement though it would be 5am for me not 5pm

rip

[marble turret]

Holy

[sick stratus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4pUT-q5uqc

MF managed to play RF in LE

[woeful bolt]

[hollow sparrow]

Plasteron starting ballista build in LE

Shocker)

[gleaming jacinth]

nick is starting bleed warlock

[sick stratus]

More like explode totems

[proven ridge]

LAST EPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCH

[subtle jolt]

12 hours

[proven ridge]

more like

19 hours

bc of servers burning up

[worn mural]

step 1: get authenticated

step 2: go offline until things stabilise

[proven ridge]

hope it doesnt affect offline but who knows

anyone got a cool build for co-op? or like knows what skills are cool for co-op?

i can only think of sentinel but not feeling that

im going primalist for solo-trade tho

gotta roleplay scyther

https://tenor.com/view/scyther-omae-wa-mou-shindeiru-pokemon-gg-gif-26649165

[worn mural]

hive queen's pretty fun

I gave up trying to get herald of the scurry

[proven ridge]

i think theres like 3 or 4 swarmblade builds going on

at least on the element or ability? idk didnt play primalist

went bladedancer on EA

[worn mural]

Rogue onetrick here :P

[proven ridge]

but i have the sad feeling that bladedancer is gonna be great till u hit a wall and then instantly dies to everything

kinda like flicker strike in poe

unless theres a build that isnt shadow daggers

[worn mural]

with the nerf, we might see some alternatives

[proven ridge]

tbh i wouldnt have nerfed it but they know better ig

theres a reason the leaderboards had almost no BD

[worn mural]

it was way too far ahead of other rogue tech

still is, but the gap's a bit narrower now at least

[proven ridge]

yea i mean it more like, it wasnt that sb was too good more like the others too bad

[worn mural]

fair

[proven ridge]

sb melts till u hit a wall and then u are the one being melt

[worn mural]

gonna go shadow dagger falcon

[proven ridge]

i think falcon has more defensives yea

[worn mural]

falconer has pretty free access to max glancing blows for minimal investment

and it gets 35% crit avoid from passive tree too

[proven ridge]

yepyep

i wonder if there can be a weird interaction with the falcon fists and sb

sd*

[worn mural]

the cinder strike ones?

not likely, sd needs a dagger main hand to work

[proven ridge]

thought that was umbral blades

might be wrong

[worn mural]

nope, daggers needs a dagger equipped

[proven ridge]

wait where did we get shadow daggers from? i kinda forgot

umbral blade talent node?

[worn mural]

it's just one of those hidden rogue mechanics

It's on puncture, umbral blades, shadow cascade, shift, smoke bomb and dancing strikes

probably sync strike and mirage too, not checked

[proven ridge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/shadow_daggers_finisher

im just not seeing the daggers needed part

i know shadow cascades needs dual daggers

[marble turret]

shadow daggers is a rogue only ailment that applies from various skills when you put points in the node in their tree responsible for shadow daggers

daggers arent needed to be equipped

you can play shadow dagger puncture bow

[proven ridge]

so it can work with the falcon punch right

[worn mural]

ah, I might be confusing mechanics then

[proven ridge]

nw all the abilities kinda sound the same lol

just like wow

i hope there's a lethal mirage cook

[worn mural]

that and one of the build guides I watched some time ago mentioned that you needed daggers equipped when they were talking about shadow daggers

so could've been misinformation

[proven ridge]

yea when people refered to shadow daggers in EA i think they all just said umbral blade + cascade i think

which procs shadow daggers

and u need 2 daggers to use those 2

[worn mural]

umbral needs daggers too?

[proven ridge]

nono just a melee weapon

but i think bladedancer has a passive for daggers?

[worn mural]

Oh, this

umbral only applies shadow daggers on hit if you have one equipped

[proven ridge]

yep

[worn mural]

so my plans still needs a dagger then

'cuz I'm gonna use the aerial assault umbral blade synergy

[proven ridge]

if youre going umbral blade yea

[subtle jolt]

There are a couple good daggers that you could lp and feed

Two to be exact

Forget their names

[worn mural]

or just use a kris

[proven ridge]

lol

kris is the way

[subtle jolt]

Well technically lp is always better

But

[worn mural]

kris has 80% crit multi implicit though

that's like 20% of your crit multi budget

[subtle jolt]

Sec

[worn mural]

smoke weaver's a poignard which doesn't have a great implicit

[proven ridge]

well, up to 80%

i think its

20-80?

[worn mural]

and there's not really any other notable rogue daggers that aren't hyper niche like Jelkhor's

[worn mural]

40-80

[subtle jolt]

Just run droughts

It's a Kris

If you can find a good 3-4lp

[worn mural]

+3 to all attributes and a bunch of wasted acid flask mods

[subtle jolt]

Not sure how fulgurite compares

Yes but If you get 4lp

[worn mural]

and how rare is 4lp

[subtle jolt]

Don't know with ssf

Buffs

Could be a lot easier to get

[hollow sparrow]

4lp is giga rare even for common uniques

[subtle jolt]

I'm basing it off the new system

I'm not sure how effective the ssf is

For buffing the rates

[worn mural]

likely not effective enough to beat just getting a good exalted kris

[subtle jolt]

But it's a thing

If you manage to get it

Giga gaming

Fulgurite could be good but not sure if phys dmg is similar to crit dmg

[worn mural]

sure but like, plan for the farmable stuff and capitalise on the bonus potential

[subtle jolt]

I think of both

Always stonks

[worn mural]

Even if you go for a 4lp drought

you're gonna need that ideal kris anyway

[subtle jolt]

Yug

Yuh

I'm not syaing you don't

Or well just any ideal dagger

But yah

[hollow sparrow]

@gleaming jacinth what we playing?

[subtle jolt]

I'm probably playing multishot this time assuming it's fixed so Idk my build

My loot filter is for shadow cascade

[worn mural]

suggesting a 4lp drought over an exalted kris is just dumb advice, especially for a build that doesn't care for the acid flask benefits

[subtle jolt]

Nah it's late late game

Always late

[worn mural]

also fulgurite is bad for shadow daggers. Crit damage and phys pen with sd are kinda the value stats

[subtle jolt]

I need to stop being lazy and look at multishot more

[worn mural]

multishot still hella bugged?

the flurry attack speed snapshotting was fun

[proven ridge]

multishot is in schrodingers box rn

its bugged and its fixed until we open the game

no way to know till then

[subtle jolt]

Yeah

That's what I mean

[worn mural]

fair

[subtle jolt]

I avoided it bc bugged

[proven ridge]

they didnt even say like

hey this is gonna be 100% a fix

they said it more like

we hope its fixed by then

[subtle jolt]

I hope so too

Like it's technically better as is

But I don't want this shit

I wanna play properly

[worn mural]

It'd be nice if they fixed it into a feature

[subtle jolt]

[worn mural]

not in its current perma snapshotting state, but took that interaction and made a version of it proper

[subtle jolt]

I'm not gonna play SC again

Shit was mad boring ngl

Dash, smoke, cascade, weave in some shurikens

[worn mural]

I really liked lightning chakram

[subtle jolt]

Also

Cascade annoys the fuck out of me cuz

I push bosses around

And it's just obnoxious

[worn mural]

not anymore

they've made bosses unpushable

[subtle jolt]

Are they fixing that

Thank God

[worn mural]

yup

[subtle jolt]

Fighting the dragon and him getting stuck in a corner

Was so obnoxious

[worn mural]

^ this

[subtle jolt]

Bis change

Jfc

[fierce hemlock]

sync strike was the best way of using it

[subtle jolt]

Anyone have a loot filter for multishot

Or do I need to suffer and make one

[slim island]

does multishot look good

[fierce hemlock]

and u ran daggers for shadow daggers bc you could get 80% crit multi kris at like level 25 and just use them forever

[subtle jolt]

I liked the look of it

Was just bugged

[worn mural]

and because you need a dagger to get sd from umbral blades yeah

we got to the bottom of that one

[fierce hemlock]

fair discord on mobile acts weird so it doesnt load convos

[worn mural]

reasonable

[fierce hemlock]

also i think a lot of builds ran katanas instead

[worn mural]

in the offhand yeah

same crit multi but a higher added melee phys

[fierce hemlock]

its less crit multi

but you get the added melee phys

[worn mural]

is it less?

[fierce hemlock]

kris is 80%

was by far the highest source

i think katana capped at like 60

[worn mural]

oh yeah

[hollow sparrow]

Falconer looks so nice, jump from pack to pack and decimate them

[worn mural]

it's 30-50

[fierce hemlock]

also tbh you probably dont NEED to run umbral blades for a shadow daggers setup

umbral blades is kinda finnicky and i think i would eventually pivot off of it

[worn mural]

you for sure don't

unless you're playing shadow dagger falconer

[fierce hemlock]

but builds run dagger anyway bc smoke weaver exists

[worn mural]

then you need umbral blade synergy from aerial assault

smoke weaver's overrated

[fierce hemlock]

maybe for high end pushing

[worn mural]

by the time I got smoke weavers, I'd already decided to try jelkhors and fulgurite

[fierce hemlock]

if you run fulgurite you can also swap to lightning shuriken

probably has more clear

cooler playstyle too

[worn mural]

yeah lightning chakram was tons of fun

[fierce hemlock]

the shadows actually matter

[worn mural]

yup

[fierce hemlock]

so aerial assault umbral blades node

ig it really depends on if it works with the spinny umbral blades

[worn mural]

it does

[fierce hemlock]

and if it double stacks shadow daggers

[worn mural]

you get puncture shadow daggers from net too

very excited for it

[hollow sparrow]

Shadow daggers…

[fierce hemlock]

dunno if you would specialize puncture and umbral blades i feel like

[hollow sparrow]

Why no one is trying acid flask falconer

[fierce hemlock]

you would run out of specialization points

[hollow sparrow]

🙂

[worn mural]

both

falconry, net, puncture, umbral, aerial assault

[fierce hemlock]

wheres ur defense

[worn mural]

net has tons of defense

frailty and a dr multiplier from entangled weapons

[hollow sparrow]

You can put decoy as well, don’t need puncture and umbral on bars

Afaik

[worn mural]

^ that too

[hollow sparrow]

It prob has glancing cap as well

[worn mural]

puncture and umbral don't need to be on bars so you just run natty decoy and smoke

yup, glancing cap

with the block -> glancing passive in falconer

[fierce hemlock]

specializing in smoke bomb is so nice though

smoke bomb is cracked

[gleaming jacinth]

shadow casc bladedancer or plasma orb runemaster

[worn mural]

also runs like 120+ dex for tons of regen too

from life on hit per dex from like 3 diff sources

[queen ember]

@gleaming jacinth r u gonna stream you playing LE for me

just for me though

[worn mural]

wow, orange privilege

[queen ember]

tisu is my eboyfriend

[worn mural]

wow, partner privilege

[hollow sparrow]

Another exclusivity..

[queen ember]

call me sony entertainment

cause I'm signing tisu to a lifetime of exclusivity