balouthebear - Log Review | Ravenholdt | Page 1

green bridgeBOT Dec 21, 2023, 9:42 PM

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Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 9:43 PM

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Oh, Thank you. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/37454689# pretpair for some shite logs ><. but i wnaa know what im fucking up with i mean im gradually gettting better but being carried by gear isnt great

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 9:51 PM

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right so 1st thing, we dont consume our ps proc in stealth windows

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without the broadside buff and 0-1 cp

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snf and BF should be up before the pull as u now have wasted the first second pressing snd and your 3rd global is bf

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just looking at a volcoross log as its pure st with 100 uptime

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we dont use finishers at 4 cps, 5+ in stleaht and 6+ out of stealth

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be careful spamming ps as u might fire off single pistol shots after u use the proc

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alot of these tiny mistakes count up towards the end

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as u lose alot of adr uptime

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prefereably we should be around 90%

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espescially on a quick fight like volcoross near 100% is possible with decent procs

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u missed 1 shadow dance cast as well

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as an example why all our globals are important

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Since u used the opportunity proc in the stealth window you only got a 5cp BtE, this could have been a 7 cp bte if ambush hit 2 times.
this also means u have to ss twice after the window instead of Psing once

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crude math, instead of getting a 204k hit ambush where u used the proc u got a 120k PS hit added to that 2 ss hits after that are 88k so instead of getting 320k dmg in 2 globals u got 200k in 3

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not to mention the possibility of extra ps procs

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;D

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:11 PM

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I am trying to process. i am reading xD

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:11 PM

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its alot i know 😉

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:11 PM

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So not fucking up in pre pull as much more mid fight

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:13 PM

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looking at the log from volcoross yday

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:14 PM

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okay just wondering. all those vid saying use pre-pull to make use of underhand-upperhand

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thayts why im pre-pulling like i am - or is it a more M+ thing

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:15 PM

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still some double casts which are really bad for your dps

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:15 PM

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i mean its not a good pre-pull as i do forgot the rotation ans make mistakes and go fuck it as you might see

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:16 PM

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haha nah prepulling in raid is pretty important

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as ull lose valuable globals if u dont

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:16 PM

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Okay nice to know ❤️

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:16 PM

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by pressing bf for example

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or snd

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its always bf out of stealth -> RtB -> stealth -> ADR -> snd -> ambush

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then roll asap

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:17 PM

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okay so i got a WA triger thats informed me of when i should RR RTB but its in like 3 sec

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so would i need to add time to the WA to allow for the RTB

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as i do rely on WA to keep track o f things as i lack the focus to do so - Truthfully

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i am faithfull to the rogue but i do suck but always want to improve ❤️

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:20 PM

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nah 99% of rogues including me use WAs for when to roll ;p

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important that you use your finisher inside stealth windows at 5 cp

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:21 PM

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Great so glad im not the only one. With the casts of pistol shot is that in stelth or outa stelth

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:22 PM

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lets recap: finishers at 5cp+ in stealth 6+ cp out of stealth

no ps procs in stealth without broadside up and only 0-1 cp
try not to double cast ps procs
don't put BtE on cooldown
press vanish/ dhadowdance when they are up and u have 6+ cp
enjoy the spec ;D

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:23 PM

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So when you have a crack shot proc sometimes that happens at 4cp does that mean im using too early to get the proc

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there for not getting full dmg

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:24 PM

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u mean when you press BtE at 4cp and you refund your cp?

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:24 PM

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but also loosing out the the crackshot window by using ambush or pistol shot(on CD)

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Yeh

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:24 PM

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yeah thats too early

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only press BtE at 5+ in stleath

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:25 PM

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dang it

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okay

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so nothing below 5cp in stelth

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:25 PM

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yep yep yep

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only ambush or ps (if condition is met)

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what i noticed is that you often lose a cast of shadow dance

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we dont wanna hold our cooldowns ever

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in general

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:26 PM

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I guess i try to sync it with the AD

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so i leave it 😦

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:27 PM

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yeah we dont do that ;D

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:27 PM

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but what happens if your energy starved andonly get 2 casts

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in SD

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:28 PM

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still better than holding 😉

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:28 PM

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well sometimes i felllike that happens

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:28 PM

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u will be less energy starved by playing the rotation more correctly

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:28 PM

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Ah

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thanks xD.

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Np i shall try harder to make it right 😄

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So, another thing is it better to macro ghostly strike to dispatch or just use it when off manually>?

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:30 PM

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its best if u dont macro it

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but in raid u could macro it to BtE and ambush and dispatch

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top any button really

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:31 PM

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Okay, i was jsut wondering as it isnt macroed and i thought i would ask if it should

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:31 PM

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if you have a video recording of your kills that would also help

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that way i can see if ur sitting on cds, which is hard to tell from just a log

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:33 PM

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no, i do not. I am probs sitting on CD's, i dont record then its on the internet forever

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but if this is caused with myself holding CD and not using them on time. it would make an issue with raid. Is it such a dramatic difference with OH build and KiR build in raid

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:36 PM

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yeah i think if u press vanish and shadow dance mroe often as well

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the rotation will feel smoother

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:36 PM

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Is it vanish then expire then shadow dance

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:36 PM

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yes

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but even if u dont have shadow dance u should also jsut vanish and vice versa

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whenevr they are up

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you build to 6+cp -> vanish/Sd -> BtE

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:37 PM

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i am trying to XD

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but i really do admit to under CP ing my CDs

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:37 PM

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in the same fight length i had 2 times more vanish casts

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:38 PM

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Oh

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:38 PM

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thats certainly the difficulty of the current outlaw spec

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if u dont follow the rules your cds will be longer which makes getting your next cds even longer; D

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:39 PM

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Yeh i get that. Just a question.

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So do you have the ACE weakaura

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:40 PM

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yes

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i turned off the sound tho but thats a personal thing

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:40 PM

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Okay so with that im using it and pressing away

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yeh

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:40 PM

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do u have a WA that tracks vanish and shadow dance cooldown?

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like when they come back up?

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:40 PM

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The issue with that im personally finding and i dont know if you have it.

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Is that when im usng BtE and it procs

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and im using it on proc

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it doenst notify the bleep on time

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and ends up on CD

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:42 PM

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the bleep of it resetting your cp?

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oh i see

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yeah i cant help with that one ;D as i dont play with the sound

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:43 PM

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dang

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:43 PM

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thats something u can ask in the general outlaw chat tho

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:43 PM

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xD

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:43 PM

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maybe someone else has had the same problem

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:43 PM

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well im sure people are smarther and look as there CDs instead of relying on a sound.

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Sometimes the sound procs several times then CDs BtE

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kinda which is hold on Venish and dance

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as i fucked up at the start

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:44 PM

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yeah if u put BtE on cd its gg ;D

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pretty much time to go to sleep at that point haha

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:45 PM

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Yeh, i have that issue where i here the finish sound several times when ive pressed the button once but coming outa stelth

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and then its like im on CD.

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You might see that on some of the logs where my nect BtE cast is a billion years away from what it should be as i fucked up coming outa my opener

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:47 PM

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yeah i have some of those as well ;p

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:49 PM

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so day if i show this log here

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8JykWLKvjRAxN9cB#fight=5&type=damage-done

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where did it go wrong

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:51 PM

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ur not hitting lashers ;D

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:51 PM

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does that mean im not plressing BF enough xD

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:51 PM

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it should always be up in theory

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also u only got 1 BtE cast in the opener and suffered another double press ps

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:52 PM

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So PS is my Downfall ?

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:53 PM

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alongside other things

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the biggest downfall is u missed the first 6 seconds of ambush -> bte and only got 1 bte off

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:54 PM

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Oh i see, yeh i see that

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So bad habbit of not utilising my stelth window with procs & BtE casts

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:55 PM

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yes

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:55 PM

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but also pressing pistol shot too many times? between casts and in stelth

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:56 PM

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also your 1st shadow dance was 30 seconds into the fight, which im assuming is because u put bte on cd

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:56 PM

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Yes 😦

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:56 PM

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thats a big dps loss ;D

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if u wanna really pad u should also keep hitting the bvoss

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:57 PM

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So what im sucking at is that im putting my BtE cast on CS and tanking anyways

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:57 PM

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when other ppl burn roots ;D cuz u need to reduce your cds

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:58 PM

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i was using that boss as a base boss, if you see other logs so you probs see a trend

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:58 PM

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the best boss to look at logs

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is volcoross

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as it is pure ST and 100% uptime

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also this happened

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:58 PM

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......

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:58 PM

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because u were burning roots ;D

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 10:58 PM

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my worse boss xD

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/37454689#boss=2737

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 10:59 PM

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well its your best boss log wise actually ;D

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 11:01 PM

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Yeh i guess so but they are both not far in Overall DPS

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but the issue is how is it do dramatic in DPS with ambush dispactch and BtE

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both weeks with the same ilev are low for the general but compleatly different in what i casted

edgy forge Dec 21, 2023, 11:03 PM

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edgy forge lets recap: finishers at 5cp+ in stealth 6+ cp out of stealth - no ps procs in s...

i gotta go to be but try to watch for these fundamentals

real heath Dec 21, 2023, 11:04 PM

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Okies, thank you so much for taking the time out and chatting to me ❤️

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