#mangob1 - Log Review
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undone pelican
opener starts off well
but then you press vanish
you are already in a subterfuge window
so you shouldnt need to vanish until 6 more seconds
jagged wind
ah ok makes sense
hasty elbow
you might improve your trinkets too
undone pelican
that many pistol shots in a row
you also dont sdance after your subterfuge window falls off
hasty elbow
maybe he was runiişng from adds that spawns
jagged wind
yeah, fiend was on me i think
jagged wind
ok
hasty elbow
yea you could do that
undone pelican
you can evasion every 2nd spiteful pack
jagged wind
yeah i try to evasion but i guess i panicked there
undone pelican
shit happens
hasty elbow
try to watch sum rogue players that canalso help
rotund panther
Side note about this too, the pallys had 10-13 ilvls on you so keep that in mind when comparing
undone pelican
you lost a GCD here as well
jagged wind
yeah ill do that, would 10 ilvls be that big a dps diff?
undone pelican
after your vanish
jagged wind
almost doubling me is quick a shock
rotund panther
ret pally is more forgiving to play
undone pelican
^
ret is just lol blast every 1min/2min
people think outlaw is simple but it's kinda not giving it enough credit
rotund panther
ret/DH/BM hunter/WW monk they are all more forgiving
jagged wind
outlaw is quite fast ill say that
rotund panther
Outlaw requires literally 100% of the time pressing buttons and over pressing builders vs spenders will screw it
undone pelican
just gonna assume you fucked up here and didnt have BTE up
undone pelican
Outlaw requires literally 100% of the time pressing buttons and over pressing bu...
yeah and outlaw is super punishing if you BTE out of vanish
like goodbye all your damage
rotund panther
no joke, I actually find Sin easier to play lol, only caveat for it being if you dont get in stealth, you are fucked
undone pelican
no joke, I actually find Sin easier to play lol, only caveat for it being if you...
dont tell whispyr that 
this vanish while in sdance is bad. don't do that
rotund panther
tanks hate letting you get in stealth, esp on spiteful week
I'm newish to outlaw and I find myself pressing buttons at the wrong time, over pressing alot too
jagged wind
so BTE spam during SD, vanish etc. is where most of our dmg comes from?
undone pelican
thats like all of our damage
rotund panther
its hard toget the right tempo for pace of the spec
jagged wind
ooooo
undone pelican
I'm newish to outlaw and I find myself pressing buttons at the wrong time, over ...
been playing outlaw for the last month and i still bte at the wrong time
its such a big change compared to before have to unlearn muscle memory
tbh though @jagged wind your outlaw rules logic isn't the worst
rotund panther
not to mention if you arent spaming spenders as much as possible, you arent getting resets fast enough
undone pelican
youre doing a few things right (i assume)
like AR in vanish windows
or sdance windows
this also kinda bad
vanish into one bte -> ambush then nothing
rotund panther
during any stealth buff, dispath should not exist
undone pelican
nah i think thats the BTE proc dispatch
rotund panther
true
undone pelican
yeah your subterfuge windows are looking okay tbh
rotund panther
Mango, are you using sinsiter strike and ambush on seperate keys or do you have them macro'd properly so you only ambush if its usable?
undone pelican
upgrade your MH lol
jagged wind
i use different keys, i guess macroing them to the same key helps reduce keying errors?
rotund panther
yeah, lemme log in and get it for you
jagged wind
ah ok awesome thanks
undone pelican
yeah thats probably about it for me that i can be bothered looking through
i reckon half your problem is gear
rotund panther
#showtooltip
/cast [stealth] Ambush; Sinister Strike
put this on your stealth bar and your main bar
jagged wind
yeah ive been delaying upgrading since i actually just outlaw in m+, i'm playing sin with raid
undone pelican
then the other half is just some minor rotational stuff that adds up over time
rotund panther
it will use ambush during stealth and during any procs as well
undone pelican
yeah ive been delaying upgrading since i actually just outlaw in m+, i'm playing...
if you upgrade your MH and get a 2nd dagger or something
it wont cost crests
it just costs flight stones
mighty yacht
in your first pull it looks like you vanished during subterfuge as well
jagged wind
if you upgrade your MH and get a 2nd dagger or something
oh wow didnt know that
yeah i will work on not vanishing when i already have subterfuge
undone pelican
tbh it looks like he only did that once at the start
then afterwards it's all gucci
mighty yacht
he did it again at 7:28
undone pelican
oh wow didnt know that
The way upgrading works is that once you have a piece of gear at X ilvl - all other pieces of the same type will only cost flight stones
The only exception to this is rings/trinkets/1h weaps where you must have 2 pieces at X iLvl
mighty yacht
then again at 8:47
jagged wind
oh i checked the vendor, it cost me crests to upgrade the mainhand. i guess cause it's a fist weapon and i only upgraded a dagger
mighty yacht
his Shadow dance isn't granting subterfuge either
undone pelican
oh i checked the vendor, it cost me crests to upgrade the mainhand. i guess caus...
see my 2nd line
mighty yacht
unless im looking at something wrong
undone pelican
wym? show screenshot
jagged wind
do you think accidentally pressing BTE just after subterfuge endes is also reducing my dps since it will go on cooldown?
delaying my vanish or whatever other combos?
jagged wind
i see ok, for 18+ keys do most people pop phials and potions? im pretty broke so generally avoid doing that
jagged wind
ya got that
undone pelican
it's free passive money
it's like an extra 1-2% damage
you can afford 1 tepid verse phial a key
do a flying WQ and get gold from that
jagged wind
got it, ok thank you all so much for the feedback, will try to show those pallies whose boss next time
undone pelican
no wokkas mate, gl with it
undone pelican
download this
or a similar addon
and you can easily see what WQs give gold reward as well
but flying WQs give like 500g each
one in each zone + 2 underground + 2 in emerald dream
resets bi weekly
you can do it on multiple chars as well
so if youre really short on gold
just spam th em