venuuuhm - Log Review

[wintry crypt]

Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

[thin jacinth]

tbh there are a lot of issues you could solve by reading the guides/FAQ

for example your opener and dance rotations are wrong, vanish usage is wrong, you're casting storm on single target, tea usage is bad, you have significant downtime that's not necessary

id also recommend just using the dark brew build while learning the spec as it's easier and also sims higher

symbols usage is also bad

you can do !tea and !symbols commands in the mainchannel to see how to use those

your gear is also pretty badly optimized, you have 2k haste while we prefer 0 and you have no crafted pieces, I assume it's a new alt?

[remote knot]

I'm new to the game so that might explain it

[thin jacinth]

oh is this your first character?

[remote knot]

yes

[thin jacinth]

hmm

do you know how the crafting system works?

[remote knot]

Yeah I've got a pretty good grasp on it

[thin jacinth]

how many sparks do you have?

[remote knot]

quite a few maybe 6 or 7?

[thin jacinth]

what about catalyst charges?

[remote knot]

I think I've used about 2?

[thin jacinth]

here's a sim of what you'd get if you crafted some pieces of 437 gear(wyrm crests) https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1MfBQXFLEf4hxvWgjrxcaq

11% more dps for not too much effort

also I recommend swapping to this talent setup for raid BUQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARAJJiQCIhkgkkEJkEKJJRLCJlkQSSkWAAAA

rotation wise you should read the "premeditation" and "the first dance" talents, those are why you generally want to use gloomblade as your first global inside dance, followed by evis and then shadowstrike to proc premeditation, if that makes sense

as an example your opener dance on magmorax looked like this

when ideally it should look like this

[remote knot]

Oh I see, this is really helpful

[thin jacinth]

for tea usage you want to use 1 charge with your opener dance to get it on cd and use the mastery buff, afterwards you can use it when you're starved for energy and symbols/dance aren't about to come off cd

symbols you want to use on cd, but if there's less than ~10 seconds until your dance is ready you hold it and use it 3 seconds into dance, usually the same time as you use secret technique

same thing in the opener you use symbols 3 seconds into dance

also never use shuriken storm on single target outside of the opener, you can use it once after your very first shadow strike to reach 7CP before rupture while guaranteeing the find weakness debuff

[remote knot]

ist that cus i get a guaranteed crit on it after invis

so i've been doing my whole opener without find weaakness

[thin jacinth]

well

if you didn't crit on gloomblade yes

[remote knot]

yeah so leaving to rng unnecessarily

[thin jacinth]

on the magmorax kill find weakness wasn't applied until 19 seconds in for example

[remote knot]

Yikes

[thin jacinth]

so your entire flag was unbuffed

[remote knot]

damn yeah that sucks

[thin jacinth]

you should also be using deadly poison

[remote knot]

yeah I switch to the healing reduction one for the zerg strat on assault and forgot to change it

[thin jacinth]

ah

[remote knot]

But yeah agreed

should have changed after that

I feel like I've learned so much from your feedback I really appreciate it

[thin jacinth]

happy to help, feel free to come back after fixing your gear and working on the things i mentioned

especially fixing your dances, making sure to apply find weakness and not using shuriken storm on st after opener will help a lot

and just casting gloom more in general

as an example here's your casts on rashok

[remote knot]

yeah I'll get on that, I've been leveling a dk to recraft my weapon once oi get one from a crafting order

[thin jacinth]

these are my casts on a shorter kill

[remote knot]

Oh jesus yeah ss isnt even on the list

[thin jacinth]

yea that's kinda old but it's my best log, id recommend 1 storm cast in opener

that log i did ss->gloom and the gloom crit which is a tiny bit better than using storm since gloom does more damage by itself

[remote knot]

Then never again after that then?

unless I got invis?

[thin jacinth]

no never

[remote knot]

ok cool

[thin jacinth]

you want to use vanish to re-proc premeditation for more evis casts inside dance

[remote knot]

Ok got it

[thin jacinth]

so after sectec you vanish shadowstrike for guaranteed 5+ cp

[thin jacinth]

tbh if you don't want to deal with other crafters you can just do public orders with wyrm crests

you only really need private orders when making 447 items

[remote knot]

i can do it on guild order just take a while somtimes

[thin jacinth]

fair

crafting a new helm+rings(since they always have a socket)+bracers(since yours have haste) and boots(for embellishment) will be big upgrades

and then catalysing your chest for 4p instead of helm

[remote knot]

my theory for using vanish outside of dance was that i shortened the cd but that just make no sense when I can shorten the cd and do more damge just by using it inside dance

[thin jacinth]

also make sure you always have your highest ilvl weapon in mainhand

[remote knot]

is it not?

[thin jacinth]

not in that log at least

[remote knot]

Damn

[thin jacinth]

left slot is mainhand

[remote knot]

I could have sworn I changed them around

[thin jacinth]

yep exactly

[remote knot]

yeah those are on the top of the priority now

[thin jacinth]

if you swap to the 6s dance build you'll basically use vanish once in opener, then again with your 2nd dance

so opener will look basically exactly like this every time(ignore beacon since you dont have it)

[remote knot]

Yeah I'm gonna switch to that build when the game is back up

[thin jacinth]

then 2nd dance looks like this every time

[remote knot]

did you get weakness from that shadow strike you did?

Or did you go invis again after for the weakness from shuriken storm

[thin jacinth]

the buff for shuriken storm remains after you exit stealth

[remote knot]

oh damn

[thin jacinth]

the reason we only use it in the opener is because we cast enough gloomblades and have enough crit for 100% uptime afterwards

[remote knot]

you used shadowstrike first because you trinket is off gcd

just extra dps

to squeeze one in

[thin jacinth]

yea but you always shadowstrike first regardless

since you get premeditation and more cp so you can rupture 3rd global always

[remote knot]

Yep got it, things are starting to click

[thin jacinth]

or if you get 6-7CP from the first shadowstrike you can rupture and then dance->storm->evis instead of dance->gloom->evis

but when you're getting used to it i'd just always shadowstrike->storm->rupture

it doesnt really make a difference anyway

[remote knot]

yeah I can adapt to it when im more used to it

and im using flag before rupture?

[thin jacinth]

yea but that build uses dark brew

so no flag

unless you really prefer flag i'd just play dark brew since it's easier and better

[remote knot]

well if it's better im gonna use it

[thin jacinth]

in bis gear it's about 1% gap

[remote knot]

Minor then, but gotta take what you can get

[thin jacinth]

but flag also gets a lot more punished by wrong play, e.g if you fail to get good stacks or misplay your max stack flag dance etc

so i think the difference is bigger in reality

for most people

[remote knot]

Yeah true

okay cool, I'm gonna give all that a try and I'll see what happens. Thank you so much for the help : )

[thin jacinth]