DotA

[molten gorge]

SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH

WE DID ITTTTTTTTTT

[jolly crane]

gamer

any gaming today?

[craggy pivot]

I'm down

[last scaffold]

@craggy pivot

[craggy pivot]

@last scaffold

[molten gorge]

wtf

HAHAA

[molten gorge]

@jolly crane

wait wtf

did you know this

@tawdry mortar and @vivid quartz you too

[jolly crane]

ye

[molten gorge]

rip

[jolly crane]

its kind of w/e tho

and i never understood why they gave her a custom euls animation

when its an item you basically never play on WR to begin with

i get it cuz its a wind-based animation but like

for how expensive it was/is, it felt weird to give an item that has never been part of her itembuild a custom anim

force staff at least makes sense on her

[last scaffold]

@craggy pivot

[jolly crane]

any dota

or you guys doing ranked 3man?

@molten gorge @last scaffold

[craggy pivot]

we're rdy

not sure where dapspman is

[jolly crane]

aight

lemme log into doto

[molten gorge]

Hello

[molten gorge]

Is me

[last scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/manul-erm-what-the-flip-pallas-cat-gif-717779379862280562

@molten gorge @molten mural

[molten gorge]

come

[last scaffold]

No bedge

[vivid quartz]

https://www.twitch.tv/dukalis_dota @craggy pivot @last scaffold world best support

[vivid quartz]

we did it

[jolly crane]

gamer

[craggy pivot]

this build is so broken, if you just want to clear for rewards

[craggy pivot]

also just hit WR Arcana in Sub 20 Pulls

[vivid quartz]

if you are playing physical build try trap with deadalus and aoe

its whole screen size up to 800 dmg

[molten gorge]

yall ever play spectre into fucking enigma beastmaster?

i literally wanted to die

[jolly crane]

idk

seems like a game where id just go hex on spec

or abyssal

haunt into insta hex

free kills

[molten gorge]

i did abyssal ye

[molten gorge]

got commended by my whole team for a play i made

thats the tingles

[molten gorge]

im gonna cry

rubick abandoned after he died in their invade

thats a lot of damage taken

[jolly crane]

extra passive gold from soneone leaving is huge sometimes

[molten gorge]

@rotund spoke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP1JpEPd61Y

[rotund spoke]

ill be real chief. im enslaved to marvel rivals now

[craggy pivot]

4am soloq aint it

how are there 130 kills sub 50 min

[molten gorge]

are you ingame

[craggy pivot]

im in

[molten gorge]

cant do ranked without giving us some content too!!

[molten gorge]

solo killing people across the map

constantly

to win the game

[faint cave]

your ls are quite low as compared to the duration of the game.

[vivid quartz]

ok yatoro

[molten gorge]

what does ls mean

[stone geode]

probably last hits

[faint cave]

Last hits

[craggy pivot]

[molten gorge]

Not a lot of time to farm when your team is full monkey

But also at one point the enemy had megas and we were pushed into our base hard

[molten gorge]

eyoo

(im shedding mmr like lizard skin)

[molten gorge]

WHAT THE FUCK IS LYCAN

[molten gorge]

@last scaffold and you think you have it tough

imagine having an LC do 27k damage

in this long of a game

[jolly crane]

their zeus doing 50k

is kinda cringe too

just pressing R on CD gets him 3x that

[molten gorge]

they kinda

didnt leave the base

past 35 mins

cause i kept oneshotting their supports

was a pretty herbivore game from them

but also their entire comp revolved around the ursa

the sniper was useless

[last scaffold]

explain this on my first game of the day then

[molten mural]

are u ok

[molten gorge]

HAHAHAA

ok he beat me gg

[last scaffold]

im not playing with real people man

[last scaffold]

@craggy pivot is it time to escape shitlo

[molten mural]

[vivid quartz]

https://x.com/LocalBateman/status/1875557807434457394 ME AFTER PLAYING WITH @molten gorge

Your Typical Local Man (@LocalBateman) on X

Twitter · Jan 4, 2025, 3:00 PM

[molten gorge]

ok wth

[vivid quartz]

win streak will go crazy after this

[raven delta]

can only go up from here tbh

[stray yew]

[humble yew]

https://x.com/heroesofnewerth/status/1876283924571202001

Heroes of Newerth (@heroesofnewerth) on X

Twitter · Jan 6, 2025, 3:05 PM

mandatory @wary saffron ping

[wary saffron]

damn
thanks for the ping
it's getting reborn
wonder what it will look like
but the game getting proper support again is pretty nice to hear

[humble yew]

let's hope for the best yeh

looking foward to it

[molten gorge]

@craggy pivot you need to abuse lycan

with alpha wolves or w.e the facet is

this shit is crazy

legit solo winning games

[craggy pivot]

think that's somewhat the issue with the hero and especially facet, it solo wins the game or it has close to 0 impact

[jolly crane]

any dota2 gaming perchance?

[molten gorge]

I’m too locked in unfortunately

[last scaffold]

I’m on a dark and darker spree recently

[molten mural]

we know what you do during office hours, what about gaming hours!

[craggy pivot]

I'm up tonight

[stray yew]

@jolly crane

[jolly crane]

at least its not morph

[stray yew]

im almost done with arcana quest

94/100

and then ill never ever play it

[craggy pivot]

Spectre

[stray yew]

i just want skin

from arcana

[molten gorge]

spectre is so good rn

(unless your team loses in 30 minutes)

@vivid quartz

whaduhek

[molten gorge]

wait wth

do i cop

[vivid quartz]

are you n1 fan?

[molten gorge]

who

[last scaffold]

@molten gorge @craggy pivot @vivid quartz

when dark and darker

[vivid quartz]

what game is this

[last scaffold]

^

[vivid quartz]

xd

[jolly crane]

when ironmace adds a proper anti cheat

but i stopped playing when every other HR lobby ended up being just people lagging everyone out, and you log back in and your gear is gone

cuz they killed you during the DC

or you just got onetapped by rangers with a triple headshot despite you hiding behind your shield/a wall

etc.

game had such promise, and is still insanely fun tho

but most of the time youre just stomping noobs cuz HR lobbies are kinda unplayable

[molten gorge]

https://www.twitch.tv/bkop/clip/ImpossibleSaltyCroissantBleedPurple-ovXNJHjqtGpb05He

[jolly crane]

bit of a dumb hero ye

[stray yew]

what other support can live scenario like that

with no support item

'support' wraith king because he has ult?

[molten gorge]

i mean 11 level diff

idk

[stray yew]

lvl 16 vs 27

and like 20 nw diff

and 0 support items

[molten gorge]

yh

kinda expected tbh

[stray yew]

funny coz in fountain obv

[jolly crane]

no item is really gonna protect you from that lategame tho

she just gets nulli and then the only defense you have would be aeon disk

[stray yew]

shadow blade

• blink

or linken is rly good vs spectre

i played this game as dazzle yday

https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/8128229812

this lycan had mini game of trying to kill me

and i had minigame of escaping him

we shouldve lost it imo

but doom was some complete idiot

shadowblade is mega op vs cores with nulli/cores in lategame

they just cant have detection anymore

there is no slot

[molten gorge]

some guy suggested eulsing the spectre illusion

which isnt a bad idea

[stray yew]

if you're fast you can hex it or mana drain as lion

[jolly crane]

dont think you can blink quickly enough if you get haunted

[stray yew]

haunt maybe no

but in general its good vs nulli

[jolly crane]

ye

still a shitty hero to play against

as a support

lycan is just as cancer tho

[stray yew]

you can also just you know

paly with team

[jolly crane]

especially minute 10-20

[stray yew]

and not afk in place where you're alone

ye wolves do crazy dam

but there is so much gold on map

[jolly crane]

getting soloed by wolves is just

not fun

[stray yew]

im playing pos 5 super sacrificial

and even i have stuff liek glimmer/ghost/shadowblade/blink

and i barely ever hit creeps as pos 5 because my heropool is sd/dazzle/aba

[jolly crane]

ye its not that difficult to get some item progression as support

its a lot more manageable these days

than 2-3y ago

where you were j8ust complete food for pos 1-3

[stray yew]

there is too much gold on the map id say

[jolly crane]

and died in teamfights from some aoe cleave shit

without them even focusing you

[stray yew]

also spectre has big issue

sure it can kill supports and its scary being alone on the map

but that hero loses 1v1 hero matchups vs like everyone

[molten gorge]

i mean depends on what net worth you're at

[stray yew]

only good vs ranged carries like sniper

or drow

[jolly crane]

ye spec kinda blows in direct matchups, the benefit is that you can basically 2v1 anywhere on the map

[stray yew]

but if you play into troll or alch

[molten gorge]

especially if you have shard

[stray yew]

ye and also doesnt hit objectives

[molten gorge]

your 1v1 potential goes way up

[stray yew]

1v1 pure 1v1 its good

[jolly crane]

that too ye

[stray yew]

because desolate with manta is good

but that never happens tbh

good rosh too

[jolly crane]

you cant really

haunt enemy pos1

and kill them

[stray yew]

i love playing spec when your offlaner is some right click type guy

[jolly crane]

unless you have major NW lead

[stray yew]

that can frontlane

or midlaner does that

[jolly crane]

but its really good if you have one other hero that can set up your shadowstep

for quick kill

[stray yew]

ye if you have storm or lc

[jolly crane]

ye or even just a lion support

[craggy pivot]

Spec alone is so funny got lc dueled when I wasn’t that even far ahead and just won with 60% hp

[last scaffold]

@molten gorge are you in raid testing

[craggy pivot]

retiring and still doing testing would be past insanity

[last scaffold]

is daps not raiding anymore

[craggy pivot]

[last scaffold]

holy fug another one

are you next

[craggy pivot]

your raidspot has opened

[last scaffold]

[molten mural]

get up with the times old man

[molten gorge]

No sir

Why

[last scaffold]

im about to kiss you through the phone

@ dota rats assemble in 4 person

[craggy pivot]

I'm raid testing

[last scaffold]

sadge

[molten gorge]

i might be busy rn gonna check

[last scaffold]

[molten gorge]

i can chill for a bit gonna marvel rivals and eat food

[last scaffold]

ok attackm

[molten gorge]

@vivid quartz come

@molten mural you too

[vivid quartz]

ptr

[vivid quartz]

this hero not balanced

[last scaffold]

@craggy pivot @molten gorge @molten mural @vivid quartz @jolly crane assemble in voice

[molten mural]

[last scaffold]

It is time for a meeting

[vivid quartz]

TR from tomorrow

You won’t see me for a while

[last scaffold]

@keen magnet Meeting time come voice

[jolly crane]

gorp having more viewers for GG vs avulus, than the esl stream has

[craggy pivot]

https://www.dota2.com/newsentry/569242769355177990

[jolly crane]

Well

Guess I kinda have to go then don't i

[thorny fiber]

Glad they realized Dota is mainly european now

Back to back euro TIs

[stone geode]

13 hours by bus but i think there are flights as well

[thorny fiber]

might go as well

depends on my friends who like dota

stockholm - hamburg is quite doable

but only for the final day

not sure if its TI related, must be

says theres only 1 seat left on the direct flight

for a fucking flight to hamburg in september

[jolly crane]

2 of my buddies i almost bought an apartment with live in hamburg so

[raven delta]

the tickets are insanely expensive tho, i wouldn't worry as much about travel/accomodation costs 😄

iirc, all 3 days were 850e or so last year

idk how much they were for just finals day

[last scaffold]

850e for a dota game

No ty

Watch online and take a trip to Spain instead 📈

@molten gorge

[stone geode]

shees, theyre not fucking around then

[molten gorge]

UwU

[raven delta]

tbh, the experience of watching live isn't even that amazing

or maybe it was just that no1 cares about matches except last day and finals were an absolute blowout last year

but the 850e almost get covered by crimson witness treasures

depending on your luck

[stray yew]

definitely scamm prices just like you get scammed when you're working in the game industry

because they give you 'dreams'

but you have chance of meeting your favourite players and other notable figures

so ofc if you value that cant put a pricetag on that

but hey they probably sell tickets in few hours max so im a brokeboi

[raven delta]

actually

i heard they didn't sell out last year

and this year's arena is even bigger

so we'll see if they drop prices a bit

[manic prawn]

800 euro is insanity wtf

That's rent

[jolly crane]

this was prices last year

https://i.imgur.com/noBUDjh.jpeg

and ye, you regain a bunch of the money from the in-person treasure items you get

[stone geode]

But thats steam wallet money, right

[manic prawn]

Still a lot of money

Even if you get goodies

[jolly crane]

well yeah but it goes back into paying for your dota+ or any games youd buy on steam so

like, just one crimson treasure almost pays for the ticket, and you can get multiple. theres some people who made money off of going to TI

its kinda stupid

its RNG ofc

but ye its still very expensive, especially since it didnt sell out in copenhagen

and hamburg is about the second most expensive place they could host it in within germany

[stone geode]

You can at least get good hamburgers right

[raven delta]

i made 650e off the treasures last year

got a free ticket tho so pure profit

although food and accommodation in copenhagen weren't cheap 😄

but i was really lucky and got 5 treasures

the ppl i talked to got 3-4 on average

[vivid quartz]

https://www.twitch.tv/epldota_en2/clip/ThankfulGrossWeaselDogFace-buUr4CYSunxgPOIc

[jolly crane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udxxwqQCq2A

LULE

[thorny fiber]

Wow

[wary saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-emoji-rage-gif-2922587064166244739

damn

the graphics

[thorny fiber]

HoN was my fav game early 2010s

before dota 2 was fully cooked

excited to see if this new version can spark the same feeling

[molten gorge]

Am I the only one that thinks it really looks like HotS?

I obviously know the games are different

But I expected a more modern aesthetic

[jolly crane]

this game is hilarious

dyrachyo on TB basically just exists to sunder bzm or 33

[jolly crane]

sick game1

[last scaffold]

this current game is a fiesta

@jolly crane @molten gorge @vivid quartz @craggy pivot watch party

[jolly crane]

couldnt watch until now

but seems like malrine aint having a good time

and neither is skiter

[last scaffold]

skitter dying to dewarding

malrine getting farmed

dk went first item blink dagger

[craggy pivot]

[vivid quartz]

i mean its how they play with amar carry but idk man

[jolly crane]

well, in this game first item blink may not be terrible

[last scaffold]

assemble in four person

[jolly crane]

bristle is the carry

[vivid quartz]

go team spirit i guess

[craggy pivot]

dyrachyo placing top 2, while gaimin fails quals

[manic ermine]

Another satanic vs yatoro showdown

[last scaffold]

he was the problem

[vivid quartz]

gaimin crash out epic drama

how do they go 0:6 vs dyrachio and double down that it was good thing to remove him

[jolly crane]

big stomp

[jolly crane]

i mean

[last scaffold]

they are spamming my 1 has force staff

did dk actually buy one

[jolly crane]

kicking him was the biggest mistake ever

and people just had no clue and blamed a lot of shit on him

[craggy pivot]

[jolly crane]

when his high risk gameplay paid off splendidly for them for years

same with saberlight

in old secret

and look at him now, vs all the other secret players

[vivid quartz]

seberlight

[craggy pivot]

saberlight was in secret

[jolly crane]

but ye dunno, flaming dyrachyo was always weird to me

[jolly crane]

or whatever team he was on at the time, idr

[craggy pivot]

it fits for crystalis with secret

[jolly crane]

dyrachyo had some troll moments, but thats cuz in 9/10 games those plays paid off, and then in the other ones it didnt

still got them to grand finals every major tourney for like almost 2y straight

[craggy pivot]

I guess he got kicked for a 16 yo but won a major before

[jolly crane]

oh nvm not secret

shopify/tsm

[vivid quartz]

when he called rtz shit?

[jolly crane]

everyone always glazing rtz

when that dude hasnt been good since 2016

and pushing all the blame onto saberlight

[vivid quartz]

liquid is infinitely times worse with him

its not even close

[jolly crane]

well sure, but losing 33 does that to you

theres no offlaner you could pick up thatd be an upgrade

unless you traveled back in time to grab universe in his prime

[molten gorge]

Can’t I’m away

[vivid quartz]

THIS IS MY GRANDFINALS

[last scaffold]

groupwatch in a bit

?

I need powerful men to explain game

[vivid quartz]

gotta do tgp prac

[last scaffold]

key in hole bozo

rogue for all of it?

[jolly crane]

nah

mans been playing boomkin

of all the specs in the game

[last scaffold]

@grizzled hearth

[grizzled hearth]

?

[jolly crane]

tundra reverse sweep inc?

[craggy pivot]

not sure about dyrachyo morph tho, feel like last time he picked that hero was in 2023 and he looks a lot worse when he isn't on PA/LS

[last scaffold]

bunch of different picks coming out in this series

[jolly crane]

bzm too cracked

[stone geode]

tundra dryrachyo

im out of the loop

[last scaffold]

that observer ward placement from invis riki

into a sand king epicenter

[craggy pivot]

he joined this year

6-0 vs gg so far and he spam tips quinn

[jolly crane]

sick reverse sweep

[stone geode]

🧹

[jolly crane]

bzm just completely dunking on malrine in that last game

great invoker pick

[last scaffold]

he was super proactive that entire game

[jolly crane]

falcons got no value out of that snap at all

with the ES being so underfarmed

they couldnt get a single teamfight where snap was getting kisses through

[last scaffold]

it is time to spectate dote

[jolly crane]

if tundra wins this 3-0

would be hilarious

[jolly crane]

think dyrachyo has been tipping quinn almost every game so far

[jolly crane]

they actually did it

GG is now 0-12 against tundra since kicking dyrachyo

[last scaffold]

Gg about to disband

[stray yew]

@jolly crane

[jolly crane]

Pog

[craggy pivot]

@vivid quartz

[molten gorge]

mfw @vivid quartz misses 8 hooks in a row

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G9O9j0DSII&pp=ygUVOTAgbWludXRlIGtvcmVhbiBkb3Rh

[vivid quartz]

https://youtube.com/shorts/H3MgcNJG8J8?si=VL7gi8scyxnR0POC

After missing couple, I locked in

I understand it now

[molten gorge]

you understand it now

[jolly crane]

the fuck is this dota patch

[craggy pivot]

water

[jolly crane]

the roshan throw thing is crazy

when he moves

sooner or later, someone will make a play with that

https://i.imgur.com/Ae5BkhX.jpeg

rip mid players all across the world

iron talon back

those invoker facets, holy

https://i.imgur.com/P2RX38O.jpeg

RIP my man

[craggy pivot]

iron talon has been back for like 6 moths

[jolly crane]

ye well i dont play the game that much oke

every patch they ruin sandking even more as a support pick

[craggy pivot]

very weird patch balancing wise already good heroes get barely touched/buffed while some bad heroes get nerfs

[stray yew]

@jolly crane https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1iv6ed4/global_silence_with_aghanim_applies_arcane_curse/

https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/8184820416

i jsut won game with that

[molten mural]

[jolly crane]

lmao

[molten mural]

@vivid quartz silencer next game

[molten gorge]

@molten mural come

[stray yew]

pressing ult and refresher is idk +4k gold

[jolly crane]

reminds me of old treant build

we used to run treant pos1, rush aghs+refresher, eye up all the neutral camps and every ult would be full map clear

was good memes

but this is significantly easier

[stray yew]

CK is giga fun tho

[jolly crane]

and better

new ck seems solid as support again as well

with 2 stuns on low cd

[stray yew]

T5 Item in 35 minute

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

[jolly crane]

idk how the techies shit works

with the enchants

if you stack them up over the game and then your t5 item has like 5 of them

[stray yew]

idk either i barely played tbh

[jolly crane]

no time to play

ill come back next month

and you teach me

[stray yew]

cm does inf dam

[jolly crane]

ye cm seems sick now

can play actual carry spell cm

[stray yew]

im playing more m+ than dota

[jolly crane]

and even without it its just such a strong nuke

[stray yew]

its fun

[stray yew]

@jolly crane

seli pov when he needs to play vs morph

https://tenor.com/view/garfield-choking-garfield-die-garfield-and-friends-gif-3191476920312863565

[craggy pivot]

[vivid quartz]

@craggy pivot @last scaffold @brave shoal @jolly crane

[jolly crane]

[stray yew]

i opened some dota 2 tournament 1st time in a long time

and its some disaster 2 hour pause in game 4 already

joever

[manic ermine]

First 3 games were great tho

[stray yew]

in general that day is insane

spirit vs pari was quite nice too

spirit lategame is sth else

[manic ermine]

Unfortunate for spirit because they were about to stomp game 4

[stray yew]

ye they were decently ahead

maybe should just restart the game entirely

new draft

idk whats the solution

[stray yew]

https://www.twitch.tv/ramzes

most normal stream

[jolly crane]

is this fucking game

still paused

or did they default win it

[stray yew]

it was paused for 2 hours

they gave larl/collapse diff steam accs

started new game new draft etc

1 minute into new game miposhka dcs

and they type same shit but for miposhka now

no info since then

should just give DQ for spirit at that point

i think

as much as it sucks

[jolly crane]

ye

idk what the vulnerability was that allowed a ddos attack to happen but like

idk

[stray yew]

its their fault probably

if its only them

but who knows

shoulda given win to tundra imo when it took more than 1 hour

its the classic

if that was some shitter team thjey wouldnt care

[jolly crane]

ye

i mean they were stomping that game4 early game so

prolly wouldve finished that game by minute 25

so pretty unfortunate for them

[stray yew]

they were also losing early game in every other game

but turned it around

[jolly crane]

ye and that game they actually won early

[stray yew]

shouldve been at least 2-2 for tundra

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

for that delay

imo

[jolly crane]

idk 2+ hr break is just

just fucking call it

it sucks but like

im guessing tundra doesnt really mind

and admins have no spine

[stray yew]

i cant be bothered looking through rulebook

[craggy pivot]

they play on tuesday now

[stray yew]

100% its covered there

and knowing esports

they just didnt go according to rulebook

because spirit is high profile team

[craggy pivot]

how tf do you only ddos a specific account and not the whole bootcamp tho

[jolly crane]

its not a ddos

[stray yew]

was it valves fault

[jolly crane]

its the same old "get disconnected and cannot log back into your steam account" shit thats been happening for years

and valve never fixed that shit

[stray yew]

that game was also most TI's you can put in a single game

from all the teams combined i think

like if you take all teams in entire circuit/entire scene

and you put them in game together

surely they have most TI's

most of spirit has 2 and 33 has 2

and some random 1s

so ye probably players dont care to push rules as much because not like they wanna burn bridges or sth

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

• banana cup for them in the end

neither team will struggle to get direct invites

[molten gorge]

You tagged the wrong guy hahaha

[vivid quartz]

who the fuck

[last scaffold]

Were any of the recent matches worth watching

Bristle in every game is kinda snoozer

[jolly crane]

more of a snotter than a snoozer

[vivid quartz]

team spirit vs parivision was a banger

specially game 2

and most of thundra games are good

[raven delta]

patch just seems good to watch

[craggy pivot]

this final

[molten gorge]

@molten mural @craggy pivot @last scaffold where you boys at

[last scaffold]

Gooning

[vivid quartz]

https://www.twitch.tv/arteezy/clip/KindMushyTortoiseLeeroyJenkins-e71XYxhrSjhiz6eG

[last scaffold]

@molten gorge we go voice

[molten gorge]

Can’t

[last scaffold]

rip

[jolly crane]

https://i.imgur.com/tnhrQcM.jpeg

carry diff

dyrachyo having a good mag game

[last scaffold]

Typical dyrachyo style but I find he really runs it down on mag or pops off

[plain pilot]

Just dota 2 things

[manic ermine]

Does negative net worth decrease respawn timing?

[jolly crane]

the fuck is this pos3 medusa

no splitshot, just manashield+snake+gorgons grasp, meteor hammer

atos now too

PA just cant even use blinkstrike

this is kinda based

https://i.imgur.com/iZSFLF6.jpeg

who needs boots

[stray yew]

coz there is facet innate dont know which one that gives her flat ms

maybe

used to be a thing

[jolly crane]

he has 275ms

so idk

ah oke its this one

https://i.imgur.com/AfeoR6O.jpeg

just doesnt show on stat-screen ig

definitely pgood against storm/pa/warlock

but ye this was a tough PA lane, into WR/Dusa. even with warlock, died twice in lane

this tidebound team seems like a wings team

playing the most random shit

darkseer too stronk tho

this looks unbelievably cancer to play into tho

you got this 3k mana medusa sitting in front of your base spamming meteor hammer

PA gaming

DK doesnt feel like he has 20k networth tho

no blink on dk seems giga troll

[jolly crane]

damn, progame with a block of cheese

those are rare

[craggy pivot]

they buffed how fast you can get block in .38 so it's somewhat viable to get it now

[raven delta]

block of cheese is really easy to get in lategame nowadays and it was also buffed

[vivid quartz]

one patch without dk or monkey being op, challange impossible

[jolly crane]

wcyd

its still pretty rare in progames tho cuz they dont just stop collecting lotuses for 20+ minutes like most pubs

[stray yew]

cheese is kinda underwhelming imo

i mean that upgraded cheese thing

should get buffed if anything

you see this so rarely and its not intimidating

[jolly crane]

ye

also takes up a lot

for no stats

[stray yew]

should get buffed imo

underwhelming thing

[vivid quartz]

you should be able to use cheese on other ppl like lotus

requires extra skill and positioning to do

[jolly crane]

is it tradeable? if not, it should be

[vivid quartz]

1/20 games you get support who uses lotus on you mid fight, past laning stage

[jolly crane]

and like you said, allow it to be cast on others

you can cast lotus on others, so why not the block

[vivid quartz]

it is but you have to free up slot in mix of all chaos

i was talking about normal cheese, idk when i saw block last time

but i guess both would be nice

[stray yew]

me and my friend we play lotuses rly well in lane honestly

people forget you can give them to teammates, like actually use it on them

and can catch people off guard

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

(We suck at lane equilibrium/blocking camp/and everything else)

BUT we do that thing well

[jolly crane]

can commit to some kills with just stick and lane partner having lotus

[stray yew]

[jolly crane]

and bait enemy into a false sense of security

[stray yew]

also if you get 1st lotus and your laning stage is long because you arent 10k mmr or you know high mmr in general

2nd lotus is better to be given to pos 5 or pos 4

because then there is no cd

if you didnt consume your 1st lotus

but that probably only happens in lower rated stuff because people are worse at using resources

[jolly crane]

ye

i mean they mostly use it for mana in lower ranks, i think

cause people are awful at ferrying clarities/tangos first 6min

[rugged cipher]

micke trying out cs

[vivid quartz]

https://www.twitch.tv/esl_dota2

BIG GAMES

[stone geode]

spirit

[rugged cipher]

https://x.com/EternaLEnVy1991/status/1915876639529111583 insane if true

EternaLEnVy (@EternaLEnVy1991) on X

30K > 10M in 20 months since started trading. I was at 172.5K last year this time lul

Thanks to all my retarded friends and mentors

We will continue to shackle each other in mediocrity for all eternity.

X · Apr 25, 2025, 9:12 PM

[stray yew]

@jolly crane i started watching random game of my friend

and i see speed in enemy team

[jolly crane]

[stray yew]

@vivid quartz

[vivid quartz]

yo

not the best game thats for sure

😄

[stray yew]

just casually watched friend and i saw you

cant even stalk games of friends wth

coz of this 8,5k mmr thing

such a weird change

[vivid quartz]

ya weird af

cant you watch mine history tho

i exposed all data

idk how it works

[stray yew]

i can watch your game becuase i have you on flist but i dont see your match history whatsoever

this is your match history for me

i assume you broke 8,5k on 14/4/2025

[vivid quartz]

ya gg dogshit system

[vivid quartz]

https://www.twitch.tv/blastdota big game

[plush pivot]

@humble yew who are those people

[stone geode]

OG is dead

[vivid quartz]

pari vs spirit 🎥

[humble yew]

I have no idea

[jolly crane]

ngl, watching falcons still play the exact same heroes almost every game

is getting kinda boring

theyre crazy good at the game but holy fuck can malrine/skiter/sneyking/atf play more heroes please

like, you see this comp and you know what team it is

https://i.imgur.com/D405vRB.jpeg

[manic ermine]

Skitter has a dead pool of illu carries this patch

[jolly crane]

think ive watched 4 games this tournament

ammar played timber in every one of them

psure ive seen him play timber in like 80% of the games ive ever seen him in over the last 5 years

[craggy pivot]

pretty sure they didn't play that much timer the last few tournaments

and sucked so I guess they decided to go back to pick timber every game

ammars hero pool is just bad the last few patches and they are forced to pick pos3 heroes as carries, while atf picks bristle for the most part

[vivid quartz]

yea but he 1v9'd the game as timber vs spirit

spirit best team with worst drafts

its a joke

[jolly crane]

collapse was doing his best to win that on the mars

but had no team

[stray yew]

@jolly crane

[jolly crane]

as always the morph ruins everything

[stray yew]

you'd rather play vs slark?

[jolly crane]

in lane as a support or even in mid/lategame? ye

cuz you can actually do smth. morph just waveforms you from fog and instakills you

[stray yew]

both kinda pick dependent

morph is very broken rn tho

slark is kinda w/e

[jolly crane]

ye for me its just

as a pos4

laning into morph = not fun

laning into slark = very fun

harrassing slark actually works

[stray yew]

slark is kinda weak in lane imo

morph is very strong in lane

[jolly crane]

Ye. Slark is really easy to bully and you have more time to win the lane until he hits 6. Morph you only have 2-3 levels to do it and you need to get lotus or its joever

[vivid quartz]

what do you need lotus for

morph is literally best laner

impossible to kill h im

and you have free heal to full after each wave

slark is so garbo

it cant carry the game

it can maaaaaaaaaybe work if you have some carry from midlane

but even then it sucks in lane so bad

[jolly crane]

if you play giga aggressive you can bully morph in the early levels enough so he cant lasthit much, but if he gets lotus thats basically a full heal ye

[vivid quartz]

you heal to full without anything

[jolly crane]

but ye, beating morph in lane feels impossible

dog hero

[vivid quartz]

swap stat items morph down, morph up

free 500 heal

[jolly crane]

sure but it costs him some mana/regen at least

but ye its like

my least fav matchup by far

[vivid quartz]

lvl 2 yea own anyone

if you have any decent support lvl 2

you wave on their face and own them

this hero is so braindead i hate it

[jolly crane]

[stray yew]

morph is mega op rn

but its also their fault

they made it so its not even worth taking w ever

you do like 4-0-2 and you spam stats

even 4-0-1 if you can get away with that

pressing +2 all attribute for morph is +5 agi

crazy number

[stray yew]

nah mana is almost non factor on this hero becuase you take stats

so you have a lot of int

there are some obvious horrendous matchups like ET

and idk meepo maybe

but these heroes kinda dead

[jolly crane]

ah oke ye, so they made him even more unbearable in lane

sick

[stray yew]

he gets very strong lvl 3 already imo

ye i love picking slark into idk lane like underlord + earth spirit

you would think you have upper hand

but you dont

that hero is so shit in lane its unreal

but i like playing it anyway and i have good winrate on it

and im very bad on morph even tho ihave fuckton of games but i still enjoy playing it from time to time

[jolly crane]

ye i think slark is really only valid if you know your support can control the lane well enough by themselves, or if you know youre not gonna get pressured much until 8-10mins in

[stray yew]

slark is weird hero imo

[raven delta]

god i love hitting morph as ET

[vivid quartz]

slark support is prime cancer rn

this little fuck dewards all wards, cant kill him

scouts whole map with 500 ms

fking 9class

[stray yew]

they might just remove slarks shard

and make it sth garbage

[vivid quartz]

2 in shift is mandatory

you cant outheal dmg with only lvl 1, plus whenever you have to shift to "heal" takes century to do so

and 1 in morph is great value for kill pontetial

[stray yew]

you mean ult ye?

if you're into some stun lane yea its great

[stray yew]

@vivid quartz @jolly crane https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1ko4038/russian_streamers_are_amazing/

imagine going this out of your way

but you dont even get musihroom hat

[vivid quartz]

😭🤣

[jolly crane]

no mushroom hat

ye

thats just

bad cosplay imo

all the prophet players with mushroom hat are demons

[stray yew]

i mean if you play furion and you DONT have mushroom hat

but there is 1 forbidden set

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/946937717537787905/1374756902705172500/image.png?ex=682f35a3&is=682de423&hm=1527b5c8abf14a1e606c3430378933b91e6a7a4d3e98cdf95423491a92037bdd&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=496&height=647

@jolly crane

imagine this guy

is your enemy

100% pro furion spammer

[jolly crane]

yeah nah

if hes my enemy

hes like some

11k mmr smurf

if hes on my team

hes a lv1 jungle furion

that doesnt skill teleport until level 11

[stray yew]

there are these small red treants too

with creepy smile

cant log game to look for them rn

ok i found

[jolly crane]

[stray yew]

i just counted how many games id need to play to get to human mmr

and how many hours played is that etc

with 52% winrate that i have roughly for past 100 ranked games

id need like 5000 games

actual impossible combo

[jolly crane]

ye

like

even back when i played seriously

i was sitting at like 57% winrate

which was already pretty damn high

[stray yew]

like maybe id get it faster than that but still

[jolly crane]

but thats still so many games to grind

[stray yew]

i think in 3 weeks i went up 300 mmr from 5,6-5,9

[vivid quartz]

youll get more motivate with big patch inc

[stray yew]

maybe ye

kinda want patch

[jolly crane]

i gained a lot of mmr when i played with herudra and ashine when they were both still ancient

[stray yew]

i cant be bothered looking at wraith king every game

[jolly crane]

think i went from div2 to immortal in like

[stray yew]

that just blindly rushes radi

[jolly crane]

2weeks

[stray yew]

no matter what kinda game this guy gets

[jolly crane]

cuz we had like 90% WR

[stray yew]

my biggest disappointment is when i say what we should do and noone listens and we end up losing game because we play into enigma/silencer and my team says no problem go lategame

[jolly crane]

man i remember the days

where silencer was really fucking strong

until exactly minute 37

[stray yew]

oh ye theo ld neutrals

[jolly crane]

because half the T4 neutrals just countered his fucking ass

[stray yew]

you had like 4 neutrals that had dispel yea

i swear silencer is so busted now, once you get refresher and just afk in base

so hard to lose

[jolly crane]

that was so depressing honestly

[stray yew]

it also doesnt help i kinda queue as every role because sometimes i feel like playing some random role

[jolly crane]

pick silencer, dominate lane, watch your carry farm 6slot and then you have 5mins left to close out the game before your hero becomes useless

[stray yew]

and i suck at mid

[jolly crane]

ye i mean

[vivid quartz]

ya the less heros you play the better for climbing

[jolly crane]

easiest way to climb is to onetrick

[stray yew]

midlane is so fking stupid

[jolly crane]

role and hero

i mean just look at my fucking winrates ye

https://i.imgur.com/008Ho5N.jpeg

[vivid quartz]

midlane can be fun like 10% of the time

[jolly crane]

its very obvious

which heroes i shouldnt play

(even though my rubick is really damn good)

[vivid quartz]

but other 90% when you are playing 1v9 game mid from min6 is just depressing

sk is so strong

[jolly crane]

if i just spammed sk/es/tiny pos4 back then

id have climbed fast

[stray yew]

ye whenever i get offlane i pick sk

[vivid quartz]

sk, beast can solo game as pos 3

[jolly crane]

ye this is like

from waaaay back when

[stray yew]

my only problem is mid lane because i have 0hero pool for this shit

[jolly crane]

when he wasnt a core

i just played

same game that MaNia played

the true #1 legend

[vivid quartz]

i like shaman as support rn

insane hero and some what fun

[jolly crane]

roaming pos4 with sk/tiny/mirana/shaker

[stray yew]

i hate when you play some hero that needs to insta kill someone and his innate saves him over and over

so frustrating

actually hope some patch is coming tho any day

[jolly crane]

my support riki has 84% winrate in 25 games

[vivid quartz]

its banned every game for me and when its not i never saw it lose

[jolly crane]

[vivid quartz]

op

9seli

[jolly crane]

psure before i started playing with rlfriend stack

my spiritbreaker was sitting at 90% winrate with 30+ games

spiritbreaker jhust

disgusting hero

[stray yew]

think patch wouldnt be letter one tho

but rather one with neutral changes/some map changes even

[jolly crane]

but ye i mean i stopped playing dota seriously in like

2017?

was before legion came out

i took a break in WoD to play dota professionally, kinda worked out but way too much time/effort needed to breka into pro scene

so back to wow it was

[jolly crane]

think they need to dial back the layers of complexity a little imo

[stray yew]

if timing was more fortunate for oyu maybe you couldve played div 2 dpc or sth

[jolly crane]

or game just wont appeal to anybody anymore

[stray yew]

but too early for that for you

[jolly crane]

ye pmuch

like, i played with some of the old hehe united people

learned a lot from them as well

but ye, scrimming 8+ hrs every day is just not it

[stray yew]

what id like to see is them removing lots of neutrals camps

if anything

[jolly crane]

ye

idk i still think

[stray yew]

leave small/big camp for side lanes because you need them for pulling

[jolly crane]

the entire camp-line on the edge of the map on safelane

is unnecessary

[stray yew]

and triangle

[jolly crane]

idk

[stray yew]

ye

[jolly crane]

wish theyd get rid of it again

[stray yew]

i dont like that

i doubt they will remove thm tho

[jolly crane]

you can keep the gates

[stray yew]

more farm = fun for people

[jolly crane]

i think theyre good

[stray yew]

more items etc

[jolly crane]

but make the map a bit smaller again by removing those edge camps

[stray yew]

the recent neutral item changes was a big nerf to everyone for the most part

[jolly crane]

the 1 ancient camp on the side where shrine is

and the entire safelane camps on top/bottom

[stray yew]

besides some freak cases like gossamer cape thats kinda busted

[jolly crane]

ye doesnt everyone just play like

[vivid quartz]

you playd ta i see

[jolly crane]

same 2-3 neutrals

[vivid quartz]

xd

[stray yew]

nah i dont play TA

but i always pick it vs TA or core shaker

or in general its just great item honestly

[vivid quartz]

despair ta vs claok

[stray yew]

you can counter that to certain extent

you can buy venom or corrosion

dont remember their names now tbh

the green one for 350 gold

gives truestrike

[vivid quartz]

venom ya

but no shot you have slots for that later

maybe first 20minish

[stray yew]

ye

i think majority of my pos1 wins where i do most is spectre and slark

and maybe aba pos1

i think my undesrtanding of slark tho is rly good even tho i dont have as many games on him as some other ones

which isnt too hot hero pool for this patch

actualyl even better

there is nothing more confusing when i know i played like complete subhuman and i feel bad about it and i just win smoothly

then i play super great game and i lose