2 fights i just watched xinq outplay them
#DotA
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15k behind 15k mins in
jolly crane
hoho haha
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dk is a creep, mars barely anything
no damage no auras
not a great showing from spirit
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gg
jolly crane
is pretty crazy
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crazy bracket
aurora the odd one out
maybe BB a little too
but they looked decent in the LB
stray yew
i dont think falcons lost a bo3 vs bb entire season
stone geode
yeah I think falcons have bb figured out
looks like XG vs Falcons there
crazy miposhka is 26
I feel like he has been there for a decade at least
scenic flax
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can BB break the curse, I dont think so
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ok, this series is joever
wraith scroll
Nevermind BB sucks, I think this is an easy 2 0 boys.
stone geode
if they werent so far behind this would look winnable
wraith scroll
That cart was actually insane,
wraith scroll
wow what a fucking fight
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stray yew
tbh if bb can beat falcons
that would be 1st time entire season
they never ever won against them
thorny fiber
ye
stray yew
satanic for what
thorny fiber
kinda idiotic
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pos1 mirana
stray yew
game is won if he buys idk lotus
or even daedalus
it at least does sth
adn satanic is full on useless
0 things to dispel
and he cant leech vs dusa anyweay
wraith scroll
Scythe prolly a good purchase.
stray yew
ye thtas always good item too
stray yew
ye he did thing that happens in pubs
you are so ahead
that you dont care
and it comes to bite you
everyones been there done that
thorny fiber
treating international losers bracket game as a pub tho
thorny fiber
oh ok
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idiotic play
stray yew
idk his team wasnt in position
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classic BB
thorny fiber
top tier play right there 
stray yew
for some reason
why not have dusa hit
his team didnt do anything while it was happening
wraith scroll
Doom also doesn't feel useful at all in these fights, just unlucky
thorny fiber
i do not believe it was planned like fogged says
stray yew
no disrupt from et
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its classic BB aegis
wraith scroll
And a Razor going into ancient and T4s
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just die twice lose fight
wraith scroll
its joever
stray yew
expected outcome anyway
im surprised this series is longer than 1h total
i expected both LB games to be 1h stomps
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could have won g2 but too many mistakes
stray yew
i think sneykings build wasnt pub mentality was more of emotional damage mentality
wraith scroll
its super toxic lol
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gpk dying 9 times and still doing what needed to be done
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remember that gpk morphling game
stray yew
i mean he just griefed
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was winnable
wraith scroll
Did I blink and miss when they replaced Lacoste with Gunnar on the panel?
leaden kindle
stray yew
they're mega stomping them
wdym
aurora being aurora and hoping enemies fumble on hg push
stray yew
that lycan pick is actually genius or what
he bought fast nulli too vs pugna big respect to that
craggy pivot
very good lycan game, questionable if the hero is strong enough baseline
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1-1?
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I thought so too
stray yew
bb vs xg woulda been more interesting
and aurora would get stomped no matter by who anyway
they were on borrowed time
they squeezed in
heroic mega threw the games vs aurora
stone geode
I thought aurora was by far the weakest in this stage of the tournament
I want g3 but looks like liquid might have this
stray yew
nah 33 and nisha playing too good
but insania/boxi get actually full on carried 
im 100% sure if its any other player on doom
than 33
and they lose
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I cant tell if jenkins is "ironic" or not
craggy pivot
LD, Brood, Chen they are throwing the whole zoo at tundra
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all series been looking pretty mismatched today
craggy pivot
even with it working, harpoon on LD cant be right
stray yew
it can
most stats in item you can get for this budget
just like all universal melees are building it
becuase its most stats
craggy pivot
you're right, forgot how much stats it gives, with how little you see the item lately
stone geode
this game not looking close either
thorny fiber
Liquid vs GG again
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not very interesting games today
jolly crane
Liquid vs GG again
so gg in grand finals
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for a decent series
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DM getting piped hard both games
wraith scroll
Time to see if we get a Dogson or Godson
manic ermine
Beautiful saksa plays
craggy pivot
BF on monkey again
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rubick behind pos 4 ench now
stray yew
i dont think xg is in any rush to end this game
if this goes late enough enemies have no pos 1 and no mid laner
what is ld gonna do with his 3 items
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yeah I think LD cant solo this game
stray yew
they also have viper 25
they just need to not throw in front of hg
ye they go on 10k hp lone druid
xg are idiots
they're even trying their hardest
stone geode
aegis on LD is 1/3 of your items gone
manic ermine
Carry diff wcyd
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top 4 EU 
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RIP sunsfan
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so gg in grand finals
craggy pivot
very weird seeing gaimin go for a late game draft
stray yew
that looks like they changed team tags
coz it went other way every other time
but calm down its not the grand finals
liquid ready to lose 3-0 in grand finals again
jolly crane
liquid always loses to GG in grand finals
so i thought theyd lose in semis too
least hype TI ive ever seen tho
id rather watch geoguessr championship
stray yew
every game is 2-0 stomp
jolly crane
ye
jolly crane
and most of those 2-0s
were never really out of the winning teams hands either
very few games where the tables turned a bit
unless it was giga throws
but i havent seen great comeback fights so far
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falcons bb g2 was the only game I remember being reasonably entertaining
stray yew
what a clowny game
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classic 5 head draft
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tundra destroying on LD today
stray yew
ramzes 
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not a single 2-1 was seen
wraith scroll
The Godson dream might still live.
Really thought Falcons was going to make it to grand finals.
jolly crane
idk
i woudlnt be surprised if its
2-0 for liquid
and then 3-0 or 3-1 for GG
quinn winning TI
dota truly dead
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gaben announces dota servers shutting down
jolly crane
overall i think
kind of not that exciting a TI
not just because its a bunch of 2-0s but also because theres like
very little variety in teams these days
its CIS/WEU being strong
and then no other region really puts up a fight anymore in most tourneys
wraith scroll
Had a lot of 2 0s and the drafts are pretty stale for the current meta.
jolly crane
very little new players
very short group stage
2 days and then one bo3 each and suddenly its playoffs
very much feels like a smaller tournament in overall scope. not really a bad thing, just not really the exciting highlight of the years either
wraith scroll
Also maybe just a me thing but the theme being all circus style for Ringmaster and he’s you know, not playable in competitive yet is pretty meh
jolly crane
no last stand kind of thing for the tourney etc.
jolly crane
Also maybe just a me thing but the theme being all circus style for Ringmaster a...
i mean they kinda always did that
wraith scroll
Less content pieces too from normal but this was also PGL handling everything since Valve went hands off this TI. production is a little wonky.
And yeah I think I just really don’t like the theme more so than the hero not being playable.
jolly crane
havent watched between games, mostly since the people presenting the fluff stuff are obnoxious af
never been a fan of slacks over the top comedic style
or the incessant fanboying over individual players/teams
wraith scroll
I’m a big slacks enjoyer but I can understand the cringe he gives. I still get it sometimes.
jolly crane
yeah im just past that, really
i probably enjoyed it like
5+ years ago
the pflax/slacks style of coverage
wraith scroll
I’m bummed that PFlax didn’t get to do his drunk dota after show.
jolly crane
shoutcasting talent is also
not fun to listen to in most cases
i cant stand odpixels hypecasting and lack of game knowledge
and except for ephey and lizzard, none of the analysts really have a clue it seems
wraith scroll
I’m pretty sure someone stated than the Grand Finals are being casted by Sunsfan and Synderen and they’re my favorite at least.
jolly crane
doubt it
sunsfan said hes never gonna cast a TI finals
he respects the game too much to have the biggest match of the year be cast in the clowny/comedic style he does. i personally wholeheartedly disagree, and think his playbyplay is up there with the goats
he improved a lot in the last 2-3 years
wraith scroll
Factual. Yeah idk this TI has been a bit boring. Maybe also lack of hype since no battle pass inflated prize pool.
jolly crane
eh, to me thats w/e
just the very short groupstage
that failed to build up hype
but could also just be me being super busy
what with TWW coming out etc.
wraith scroll
Yeah it was some bad timing, had to watch a lot of replays half heartedly between delves lol.
wraith scroll
Unaware of it having something competitive sounds fun though.
wraith scroll
Will defo check it out.
stone geode
I doubt sunsfan is going to cast anything since he couldnt finish his 2nd game today
jolly crane
game5 pog
stray yew
the meta isnt stale whatsoever this ti tho
we've moved from mirana stuff into luna stuff into ld stuff now
it changes so quickly
doom was fotm too for a while but only 1player really makes it work in the end
its about how the meta evolves during a tournament tho
jolly crane
we've moved from mirana stuff into luna stuff into ld stuff now
ye
treant was like
big groupstage hero
kinda passed over a lot now
wraith scroll
Haha the tusk snowball to punch the siege cart to stop back door.
Rat doto with all the cutting waves.
plush pivot
oh I forgor this thread exists
plush pivot
not fun to listen to in most cases
so glad I am not listening to EN cast
jade bramble
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very strong russian coverage for dota
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it was picked a couple times this tournament for offlane
but not really meta
think it was ramzes and collapse who played it
plush pivot
dyrachyo dying alone every game is killing GG or I am wrong
even when they win maps he does that
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grerat game by tundra
salvaged the SK lane early, defended the viper aegis push extremely well
wraith scroll
Lots of good plays on both sides tbh. Very good match to watch.
stone geode
that sk catch on SD in the aegis fight was clutch
jolly crane
dyrachyo dying alone every game is killing GG or I am wrong
He's always played like that
Some games it's game losing, most games he creates a lot of space when saying or just doesn't die to begin with
stone geode
bat mid is a bold choice
craggy pivot
cant remember the last time bat mid looked good in a game
plush pivot
LD 
jolly crane
bat cant do much when his supports are trolling trying to kill the lone druid 7 times and never succeeding
thorny fiber
go game 3
plush pivot
Ramzes is cosplaying dyrachyo)
thorny fiber
they didnt even have kisses
jolly crane
was like
ye
this wasnt a bad push from GG
knowing kisses is down
but they also didnt have rolling thunder
despite arcane rune on the previous one
jolly crane
ye
rugged cipher
was still dead if he hit swash
jolly crane
was very well played by him
nah he was out of mana already
oh nvm he didnt even have diffu
thorny fiber
i hate this strat
jolly crane
aura gaming
thorny fiber
the ace "strat"
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3 game series, cant believe it
jolly crane
tundar supports just didnt get shit done in the early game
were super underleveled
and the bat couldnt do shit with level 5 supports minute 12
thorny fiber
underlord is still boring
craggy pivot
dont get invo first phase ban over sk
stray yew
topson played it a lot
and he dominated with it
just like they ban brood vs tundra
coz ace dominates on the hero
lmao this pinecone
plush pivot
Ramzes is getting some counter all chat messages))
stray yew
he was only spamming vs falcons because falcons were always 1st one to do so tbh
now doubtful
unless i missed some previous games
he does have beef with quinn
stray yew
does that mean he wanted to type sth
coz russian keyboard is unfamiliar for me
like is it equivalent of ?
plush pivot
nah
stray yew
coz then ye sure
stray yew
gg and liquid are one of more mature teams when it comes to that tbh
barely ever bm
but he used to have big beef with quinn i remember last TI
stray yew
micke can beef now because he's playing good
normally he cant
because he's worst in the team
ye its joever
thorny fiber
gg
stray yew
slark is garbage
plush pivot
I think this is gg for gg
stray yew
that top fight under t2
imagine if he wasnt a slark
but idk any hero with some stun or damage
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plush pivot
2nd 2nd place for dyrachyo
stray yew
even a fucking sven
thorny fiber
liquid vs gg again, i cant
stray yew
but liquid takes it probabl this time
33 is beasting too much this tournament
nisha playing very good and micke isnt feeding
stone geode
gg playstyle is so boring to me
stray yew
why do casters hype pipe vs doom
it doesnt do shit
its pure and pipe doesnt work vs pure
or am i wrong
stone geode
it doesnt work no
thorny fiber
gg playstyle is so boring to me
its been the same
for all time
yet nobody knows how to stop it
plush pivot
there has been many fights each game
stone geode
zdps lineup agane
craggy pivot
coz russian keyboard is unfamiliar for me
) is = on a danish keyboard
stone geode
slark 200 stacks cant kill 1 hero
stray yew
ye slark is just garbage been there done that
didnt wanna say anything coz im trash myself
but whenever i lane into sth like eearth spirit + underlord and i FEEL like i should bve stomping
coz i can just hit them for free
i just lose manfights anyway
pointless hero, too weak
stone geode
ench going to solo them while underlord tanks the entire team
what does mageslayer do this game, is it just for tank?
plush pivot
what is Slark doing
stray yew
is tundra coming back
plush pivot
they are at least fighting back
stone geode
slark is doing something with shard at least
plush pivot
feels like turning point of the game, slark bullies them it seems
jolly crane
what does mageslayer do this game, is it just for tank?
just overall a good item
attackspeed, mana regen, gives survivability
stray yew
will tundra give us fake hope
plush pivot
basher on slark
stone geode
no GG liquid, I beg
plush pivot
when that happens I am worried for gg
jolly crane
echo is an easy buildup and then you dismantle
but they changed it so now you gotta pick one or the other
plush pivot
is there anything in the game still that disables buyback?
stone geode
no
plush pivot
I believe necro ulti used to, maybe with aghs
plush pivot
I know I am old
craggy pivot
feels like a tundra win at this point, gg cant burst heroes and long fights they loose
stone geode
gg has good teamfight and strong supports still
jolly crane
lmao
stray yew
it worked
plush pivot
tundra still has almost all resources
jolly crane
with the force+tornado
plush pivot
doom, epi
plush pivot
is he waiting to doom alch
stone geode
looks over anyway
stray yew
tbh playable
thorny fiber
insane that it isnt over
stone geode
good series at least, not 2-0
stray yew
their building damage is shit
its gonna be only 2 rax maybe
ok nvm they get it
surely
noone has bb
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plush pivot
to be fair anything is dogshit to Grizzled, nothing new
stone geode
I said I didnt like GG playstyle and its mostly boring ass games
1 exception doesnt make it good
so please dont
stray yew
pause
plush pivot
stray yew
i think gg loses
plush pivot
how long is the pause between losers final and grand finals typically?
stray yew
its gonna be 2-3 hours probably
plush pivot
good
stone geode
should be 90 mins at least
plush pivot
time to get some food then
thorny fiber
grand final was set for 13:00 CEST
thorny fiber
so idk
stone geode
was scheduled for 13:00 I think
thorny fiber
jolly crane
i think gg loses
ye
qop and alch falling off too hard
and for some reason
they decided to not play bkbs against sk/tusk/slark
stone geode
I wouldnt count GG out, they play fights well and still hold a decent advantage
jolly crane
but tundra will throw
when they go highground
so itll come down to whether GG takes another fight outside of base with no buybacks
then its just joever
or if they let them come hg
game might just slow down for a bit now while they wait out aegis
and farm map a bit
stone geode
qop still has aegis right now
jolly crane
dunno why they have no gem either
stone geode
ye
stray yew
so maybe its on cd now
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ench had gem
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ench 25 👀
jolly crane
alch kinda has no damage items
plush pivot
he is 25 now
humble yew
just hit it ye
jolly crane
think im giving the edge to GG
simply because they can set down gate
to bring their buyback heroes straight back into the fight
tundra cant
craggy pivot
mirror shield lottery 
jolly crane
dont think it does much honestly
bat has euls
no linkens on enemy team
and he has aghs too
and lasso is the only spell youd wanna linkens/mirror
craggy pivot
meant mostly for gg
jolly crane
quinn with the min60 null tali
stone geode
doom NW below bat 🤔
jolly crane
dunno if you want mirro shield against SK
stone geode
tundra supports so poor
jolly crane
but itd be nice vs doom
think this is more of a book of shadows angle
pirate hat
outscale tundra just on networth
stray yew
force boots
stone geode
hat going to be huge for tundra supports
jolly crane
pirate hat for ench
jolly crane
ye
jolly crane
dont really see mirror shield ahving insane value
cuz doom cant go in anyway
he just dies insta
bat wants seer stone 100%
jolly crane
wonder what choices they had
feels like ench would want pirate hat if possible
bat seer stone, t5 RNG
GG kinda lucky
plush pivot
yeah, seer stone and 2 mirrors
was that sk ulti just wasted?
and they still kinda won
stray yew
they had t2 or pitlord ye
stone geode
he diebacks
stone geode
gg can still kill building and win
stone geode
I dont think they can
jolly crane
definitely
they committed a lot of buybacks
like
if youre GG
you wait out buybacks now
of your qop/alch
plush pivot
divine raaaaapier
jolly crane
cuz sk/slark bought back way later
plush pivot
full commit to throne
craggy pivot
rapier, deso on qop they commit
jolly crane
well that works too
craggy pivot
lmao
jolly crane
didnt even glyph
craggy pivot
glyph was down already
thorny fiber
it was on cd
stray yew
craggy pivot
they glyphed previous fight when minions were finishing
jolly crane
another TI they wont get
thorny fiber
💤
plush pivot
game is called defense of the ancients
stray yew
nah liquid will do it this time
plush pivot
not kill heroes
stray yew
33 playing out of his mind, nisha very good and micke isnt feeding
surely
they just win now
stray yew
their stand i n
jolly crane
but thats when things start getting shaky
stray yew
is better player than their regular one
plush pivot
I hope they won't isband
plush pivot
right but I just hope this stack of players continue together
plush pivot
typically after TI non winners all disband
stray yew
not anymore
plush pivot
and even winners sometimes do
stray yew
because its not 20 mil tournament
craggy pivot
very interested where saksa goes post TI
stray yew
so its not make or break
stone geode
For sure saksa is better than 9class
jolly crane
does that surprise anyone tho?
saksa has been playing for like 10 years
with 5+ TI appearances
while 9class is a young newcomer
stone geode
Its like when og had to stand in ceb instead of their 5 every tournament
jolly crane
at this point i feel
committing to any team is just bad for your career almost
just stream
keep up2date with the game
stone geode
Happy we finally got a great series on the main stage, hopefully the finals is close
thorny fiber
Its like when og had to stand in ceb instead of their 5 every tournament
i was at the stockholm major when ceb was in OG and they won, felt like against the odds
as a standin
stone geode
Ye, i remember
thorny fiber
ceb and the kids
stone geode
He was surely a buff
stone geode
Instead of their regular player
thorny fiber
n0tail is living the life surely
jolly crane
whitemon played crazy good imo
ramzes too
hard games for him
even the 2 losses, ramzes had some great plays
rugged cipher
just stream
how many of dota2 streamers actually make bank out of it exccept like gorgc, bulldog, rtz? im sure a team salary is way more
jolly crane
how many of dota2 streamers actually make bank out of it exccept like gorgc, bul...
its about the same
if any of those TI top-performers would stream regularly
theyd get thousands of viewers
plush pivot
ads contracts are giga especially if your moral compass is flexible
rugged cipher
i dont think so, most of em prolly got a very bad stream personality
thorny fiber
notail wrote a book
rugged cipher
the dota section has pretty low view count
jolly crane
i dont think so, most of em prolly got a very bad stream personality
doesnt matter if youre top200 ranked immortal
rugged cipher
except for when one of the bigs are live
jolly crane
the top immortal players with name recognition always get 1k+ viewers
thorny fiber
you dont need a ton of viewers to make money
jolly crane
its not about the money, ultimately
its about not having to be in bootcamp mode half the days of each year
thorny fiber
a childhood friend of mine had 250 ish viewers, steadily, made an average wage from that
jolly crane
while still playing like half they tourneys cuz people alwas need standins
thorny fiber
livable
jolly crane
or you just come on as a caster
ye
twitch/yt ad money are good
if you stream 5days a week
with ~200 viewers
you can live off of that
even in a western european country
thorny fiber
think he made like 2500 euros post taxes, which is mid/ok in Sweden
jolly crane
and technically theres no reason to live in an expensive country
if you make your money in USD
plush pivot
move to Sebe, become streamer
jolly crane
ive considered moving a few times the last few years
and with the promotion and everything atm
im seriously considering it
why would i live in germany with the money i make, and have a decent but not too great living standard
stray yew
while 9class is a young newcomer
ofc no
stray yew
i totally understand it
jolly crane
poland/czech republic are not as cheap as they used to be
unless you live in the middle of nowhere
stray yew
poland becomes more expensive year and year
thorny fiber
but way cheaper than west eu
stray yew
source i live there
thorny fiber
still
stray yew
but ye still better than germany
jolly crane
its alright ye
stray yew
or sweden
jolly crane
if you live in like krakow
stray yew
you could live in kinda shitty city
stray yew
and it would be 1:2, 1:2,25
jolly crane
then its kinda aight
but you also lose a lot of amenities that way
kinda have to live in big western european city
stray yew
not the capital or krakow
jolly crane
to not have the living standard drop too much
id wanna live in krakow
cuz its one of the most beautiful cities ive ever been to
jolly crane
ye
like, im genuinely considering the same
now that i have some more steady income
was thinking bukarest or budapest possibly
thorny fiber
its like better security and living standards than sweden now
jolly crane
cuz with like
3-4k gross income
you can already live very comfortably in eastern europe
germany, especially where i live rn? not so much
650€ for 30m² apartment 
rugged cipher
i mean thats kinda standard/cheap for any big city
jolly crane
not for germany, no
stone geode
here its about 600€ per person to rent I think
rugged cipher
but with 3-4k gross u should be able to live comfy anyway but not lavish
stone geode
its pretty expensive
jolly crane
but with 3-4k gross u should be able to live comfy anyway but not lavish
ye for sure
but ya know
i aint getting any younger
jolly crane
im not like most people
plush pivot
is that expensive?
jolly crane
when it comes to money
jolly crane
is that expensive?
20€/m² is expensive here, yeah
only a few cities with that level of rent prices
but germany is cheaper rent than most of western europe
plush pivot
if I worked fully online I'd consider but looking for another job in not IT clusters is typically pain, not all companies willing to do consulting contracts or get an employer of record since that's an additional cost
stone geode
my fried is going to be renting out his flat in the city center and I think the average rent for his m^2 apartment is 1600€
think its around 80m^2
for sure less than 100
old house too, not insulated
jolly crane
ye like
munich is most expensive in germany, together with hamburg
average in munich is like 21€/m², hamburh is like 19
living close to swiss border is not good for prices 
thorny fiber
Its not real cosplay without at least 1 german
stone geode
pretty short break\
stone geode
showmatches are terrible
thorny fiber
awful content, should have been axed long time ago
stray yew
its because players cant have fun
i remember showmatches where chinese players were tryharding
thorny fiber
i mean it just becomes all mid
stray yew
same happened in cs i remember
craggy pivot
even the non tryhard showmatches, 10 Guys trying to knife eachother isn't that fun imo
plush pivot
I can't recall a good showmatch format, but it probably exists
stone geode
not sure how the LB team feels about playing so soon
stray yew
i dont think its any difference
jolly crane
I can't recall a good showmatch format, but it probably exists
they had an ability draft showmatch like
5 or 6 years ago
stone geode
probably personal preference
stray yew
also dont wanna have a game that goes to midnight
if it starts at 5-6 for eaxmple
adn its a 5 gamer
thorny fiber
i bet scrapping the showmatch is a player request and not having to spend hours between games
stray yew
players dont wanna play it
thats true
they should invite oldboys tbh
milk that
invite old alliance/old navi or sth
or old nip/old fnatic in cs terms
thorny fiber
recreate old finals
stone geode
s4 dreamcoil 
thorny fiber
akke is probably the worst player out of all those, dont think he has touched dota since quitting
stray yew
think i heard somewhere he just quit
thorny fiber
oh
last i heard he invested in some arcade hall stuff
but might have gone to shit already
plush pivot
tempo play by GG, this might end early
thorny fiber
yet another game where gg plays 5 at min 14
with underlord aura caster
very creative
plush pivot
their opponents have to be creative
stone geode
no reason to not do it when nobody can play against it
plush pivot
if it works why not keep using it
thorny fiber
ye i mean i said it earlier, ppl cant beat it
they have done this for years at this point
plush pivot
GG certainly had problems when they couldn't get an initial advantage
break their flow and there is a chance
craggy pivot
playing puck vs riki 
thorny fiber
i think gg has like a set core of heroes they play and then just flex quin or something
and dyrachyo
thorny fiber
how did tusk survive that
thorny fiber
go 5 as well
stone geode
visage in long fights shredding
stray yew
liquid just has their number this tournament
and 33 is beast
cant ban him
even tho they try
plush pivot
zai is probably the best player who never won TI
jolly crane
nah
stray yew
there arent many players where you can say that the guy finished dota 2
jolly crane
definitely not
thorny fiber
fell off in the end
stray yew
but 33 is definitely one of them
jolly crane
zai at peak was very very good
but he was also only peaking for a short period of time
meanwhile you got people like somnus or reso
thorny fiber
he won esports player of the year at some point 
plush pivot
Reso?
jolly crane
resolution
plush pivot
he was on and off
jolly crane
idk
plush pivot
not really topping the scene
jolly crane
whenever i saw reso play
he was playing insanely well
he was stuck in bad teams tho
thorny fiber
gg go next
jolly crane
meanwhile zai had every chance to win TI 4 or 5 times and never did
stone geode
these birds with drinking buddies
plush pivot
outtempo tempo play
stone geode
🐸
jolly crane
and usually it was his sloppy performance that cost them
especially the last 3 years
thorny fiber
post break zai
stray yew
but wdym seli
thorny fiber
was worse
jolly crane
ye
that one time
vs
the 15 enigma games
where he cast a total of 3 blackholes combined
and hit heroes 2 times
thorny fiber
its funny how
plush pivot
wait, are they fighting back?
thorny fiber
a lot of the players in gg were considered tier 2 players for such a long time
shows that grind helps
stray yew
this tusk/visage combo too good
thorny fiber
ace has been around forever
plush pivot
fogged casting liquid game
watch RU cast
stray yew
is he just glazing them or what
thorny fiber
swedes winning in copenhagen is beautiful tho
jolly crane
the more i think about it
thorny fiber
the extension of malmö