DotA

[jolly crane]

also natural for htem to go lotus pool after killing 2 heroes

if theres 4 lotuses

rosh is dead

where else are they gonna go

collapse struggling to get a doom

[stray yew]

last pick bat not doing much ye

[jolly crane]

it won the lane against sk

which is hard to do

but ye

bottle into blink rush

with no hero to gank

[stone geode]

snap gapping bat now

its joever

tinker too almost

[jolly crane]

satanic 2nd item for lina is also... a choice

is the

twitch extension bugged?

https://i.imgur.com/eGAA9Zr.jpeg

[stone geode]

yeah not working too well for me

[jolly crane]

also kind of missing the auras

idk why theyre on the tinker

and not on the doom

[stray yew]

i think extension cant keep up with him vendoring items

[jolly crane]

hahaha

ye idk

i expected them to go like

[stray yew]

spirit actually gonna lose it

[jolly crane]

strong lanes into snowball

with auras on doom

the fuck was that LSA

from yatoro

on himself

instead of the mars

waiting forever with the satanic too

then attacks the mars

??

the what

you aint lifeleeching from a mars with his bulwark up

[stray yew]

maybe luna has butterfly?

dont know

[jolly crane]

nah

she just had bkb up

he lagunad the mars

and then attacked the mars with bulwark up with satanic

instead of the luna

just misplays

[stray yew]

im amazed this went this good anyway

[jolly crane]

0 forcestaffs

on spirit

against a sandking

[stray yew]

the fact yatoro doesnt die during that hex

[jolly crane]

no glimmer either

[stray yew]

idk how

[jolly crane]

well

no follow up stun

cuz he lassoed the mars

[stray yew]

i guess sand king too busy pressing his blink to camps

[jolly crane]

ye

idk

i wouldve thought they just

itemize around the lina

get some glimmers+forcestaffs

have doom carry auras

after crushing all 3 lanes

[rugged cipher]

bulba+rtz was the problem

[jolly crane]

i mean thats not even a debate anymore

like idk

these initiations

without a forcestaff on anybody

are just not doing anything

[stray yew]

they cant help him in arena anyway

[jolly crane]

glimmer works

to buff magic resistance

against a luna/sandking/snap

but no glimmer

[jolly crane]

sure

but the people otuside

have vision inside

and can still apply pavise/glimmer

[stray yew]

unless it was nerfed

they dont

but maybe it was nerfed

[jolly crane]

im just basing it off of the tooltip

but ye

[stray yew]

havent played in 2 months or so

[jolly crane]

in any case

unless force no longer works on bat with lasso

[stray yew]

so maybe it was nerfed

coz it was powerful

[jolly crane]

idk why they dont have one

to get the intiiations

couldnt even get the mars uphill

cuz no bots either

low movespeed bat

[craggy pivot]

Copywara NA Pride

[jolly crane]

dunno

[stray yew]

only thing NA is good at

[jolly crane]

this wasnt that good a fight for nouns

like ye

they only lost the luna

but it also means

no hg damage done

theyll get aegis again now tho

[stray yew]

buying better experts in any field

[jolly crane]

but it was a fight with like

8 people in arena

[stray yew]

to come and do shit for them

[jolly crane]

and they barely won

[stray yew]

ye its over probbly

unless nouns do something real stupid

[jolly crane]

idk

think spirit can easily win this

nouns struggles going hg

[stray yew]

idk maybe

[jolly crane]

without exposing a hero

[stray yew]

its not quite even idk

they have too many targets to doom

they wanna doom luna or sk

[craggy pivot]

I'm rooting for nouns, so I'm happy with a won fight and after their groupstage vs spirits I wasn't that confident pre game

[jolly crane]

if that lasso lasts

the luna is dead

cuz it was followed up by LSA

[stray yew]

nah they get stunned by sk probably

or at least 1 of them

[jolly crane]

sk blink was disrupted by doom

in the backline

but ye

if this goes 60+

spirit loses

cuz mirror shield

[stray yew]

they'd need to throw at hg

[jolly crane]

[stray yew]

the longer it goes the more even it is

always

but they'd need to MASSIVE throw

[jolly crane]

ye but

t5 items just ruin spirits game

[craggy pivot]

or they roll 0 shields and loose neutral rng is fine

[stray yew]

i mean gunnar is throwing

the only NA player trying his best

ye its over

[jolly crane]

how does yatoro never have buyback tho

thats very atypical for him

[stone geode]

bought out to try to win the fight I guess

[stray yew]

na is true powerhouse

[craggy pivot]

it's a trend in this TI no buys pretty late into the game

[stray yew]

they did have miracle run last TI too tbh

[jolly crane]

maybe spirit just cbas

getting a hatrick

and wanna go back home

nouns played well but man did spirit throw this game2 imo

[stray yew]

naa just not their meta

games are faster

[jolly crane]

itemization just all over the place

[stray yew]

auras matter a lot

and collapse wont ever buy them

[jolly crane]

ye

ye maybe

still

they did well in the aura meta

[stray yew]

look at the way that tournament went

[jolly crane]

when tundra won

[stray yew]

where gg stomped everyone

nah they did garbage in that meta

they bombed out in 1st game of LB

that TI

to some meme team

TNC or sth

i dont remember

[jolly crane]

boom

[stray yew]

oh ye them

[jolly crane]

but ye fucking

bo1 elimination

[stray yew]

ye this format is 100 times better

you cant ever complain about anything imo

[jolly crane]

but they got 2nd in riyadh and won arlington

right before ti

so idk if id say they sucked in that meta

[rugged cipher]

ppd na's last hope

[jolly crane]

btu ye dunno

this was spriits game to lose after this early game

bad items

lina 2nd item satanic

instead of buriza

is weird af

[stray yew]

riyadh didnt have aura meta yet

maybe tundra would have played it

but i remember they had standin there

coz 33 couldnt make it i remember

[jolly crane]

ye fair

[stray yew]

(in 2022)

just not their patch, how dota goes rly

[jolly crane]

in any case

[stray yew]

also nouns iguess

they perform great when no pressure is on them?

[jolly crane]

nouns played well but

[stray yew]

coz they did same last year too

[craggy pivot]

was honestly suprised 33 is allowed to play ryadh

[stray yew]

they knocked out tundra

[jolly crane]

spirit lost this more than nouns won it

[jolly crane]

why?

[stray yew]

i wont deny it

[craggy pivot]

thought saudi boycotts israel

[jolly crane]

no?

saudis and israel have been cozying up for years

only surprising part was ephey being allowed to cast

cuz shes been openly criticizing the saudis/israel on social media

but was still invited

[stray yew]

oh well we'll see if spirit adapts

or just bomb

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

they arnet out yet

[jolly crane]

i mean its spirit

and lower bracket is easy

with the teams that are there

[stray yew]

nouns is meant to be easy team too

but ye

[jolly crane]

https://i.imgur.com/AzjmF5s.jpeg

this is not a particularly scary LB

[stray yew]

nah its not

tbh

they are getting potentially worst team

[jolly crane]

itll be GG or IG in their first match tho

[stray yew]

loser of this

[jolly crane]

[craggy pivot]

gg throws it and at least game 1 in LB gets greally scary

[stray yew]

this might be worst loser brakcet game

g2 ig isnt bad

and ye should gg get thrown to losers bracket

its kinda doomed

wtf

how is this legal

as 1st game of UB

[jolly crane]

idk

the entire bracket is kinda weird honestly

its very insular

[stray yew]

c9 is actually no joke

[jolly crane]

with grps a/b not crossing

[stray yew]

i think they're playing much better than what people expected

at least when it was these grp games

[jolly crane]

for sure

[stray yew]

they played really well

noone actually hitting some great form

one of few players that just plays on super high level no matter what

[jolly crane]

im wondering how

https://i.imgur.com/x8E5o4l.jpeg

this is still a thing

they didnt even play a tiebreaker did they

[stray yew]

i cba checking rules

but probably sth in the rules

about this

[stone geode]

there was a tiebreaker iirc

but not sure which teams

[jolly crane]

oh they did

tundra won 2-0

[stray yew]

ye im checking rules

says it should be tiebreaker

bo3

[jolly crane]

its weird that c9 played 1w tho

since they were third

but ig group winner gets to pick

from 3rd/4th

of other group

[stone geode]

think it was the game with like 45min pause then tundra won in 60s and 15 min gg next game

[jolly crane]

but ye dunno

[craggy pivot]

bracket is really weird tho, nouns looses spirit wins and they play each other for elim

[jolly crane]

weird tourney so far

liquid/xg in first UB match is crazy tho

[stray yew]

ye they get to pick

[jolly crane]

genuinely hope

XG wins TI

so ame and xinq get their win

[stray yew]

UB to me looks like

xg/c9 and then falcons/gg

[jolly crane]

dunno

gg has struggled with nouns before

[stray yew]

xg goes through imo

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

and then falcons/gg i dont fucking know

[jolly crane]

but XG is always

hit and miss

90% hit

10% miss

and their 10% seems to be in TI

[stray yew]

tbh tho liquid in non finals

is scary

unless its a final

then you're sure they lose

[jolly crane]

kek

i think its not a particularly good liquid patch

[stray yew]

i dont think nisha is peak form

he's still playing like top 5 player

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

but they need him to play like top 1 player

to win

[jolly crane]

he hasnt been in top form in years honestly

[stray yew]

which is sad

[jolly crane]

mikke is still a hit and miss carry

and this patch does not favor 33 imo

in terms of heropool

[stray yew]

i dont think you should put expectation on a player

to play like best player ever

for you to have chance to win

[jolly crane]

ye

the problem is that mikke plays like fear used to for EG

to make their mid shine

and nisha just isnt at that point atm

so mikke looks bad

[stray yew]

whenever i watched liquid lose they'd massively shutdown 33

like his beast in one game

had less than enemy pos 4

[jolly crane]

but nisha just isnt performing on the level he needs to, to make that team synergy work

[stray yew]

coz he just got bullied

[jolly crane]

ye

bullying 33 is the play against liquid imo

cuz then he has to farm a lot to catch up

instead of roaming to grab kills with a +1

[stray yew]

i dont think nisha is playing bad, but its just you expect way more

[jolly crane]

while farming

some games nisha is dropping the ball very hard imo

but that was like

6-12months ago

but with how much they center hteir playstyle around him

he needs to do better imo

anyway, gotta stop procrastinating

[hybrid gate]

SOLID NOUNS FAN HERE

[stray yew]

lmao

they just win that fight anyway

[craggy pivot]

this was an even game 5 min ago

[stone geode]

that heal during disruption

balanced

[stone geode]

game joever

[jolly crane]

wait

i watched when it was like

GG pushing hg mid

with 2 people dead

and boboka leaping into enemy team to feed

how did they lose that game

[stone geode]

gg got nothing out of that fight

[craggy pivot]

they respawned so they couldn't keep going for rax and didnt get a clean fight after

just having someone get picked and being 4v5 from the start

[jolly crane]

lule

GG vs Team Spirit would be a fucking funny first lower bracket match

ngl

[stray yew]

ye hope that wouldnt happen im big gg fan and love watching spirit when they get to play their lategame bs

they seem so invincible whenever it gets to ltaegame and its even hope they can bounceback from lb

[stone geode]

seems to be decent patch for GG, quicker games

[stray yew]

ye i think they won last tourney

coz it was huge aura patch/snowball lanes meta

which was toned down a lot i think

[stone geode]

won riyadh

[stray yew]

they kinda shitstomped everyone iirc

noone matched them

maybe they had close game vs liquid

[stone geode]

I forgor

[stray yew]

i remember they mega stomped that tourney

every game they did usual bs

[stray yew]

some enchantress/chen and ace doing his usual stuff

[stone geode]

classic liquid final

[stray yew]

ye

ok it was falcons them

then

that gave them a game

[stone geode]

falcons quest was the best series of that tournament

I remember the finals was mega boring

[stray yew]

ye liquid in finals is always garbage

because they just get stomped 3-0 everytime

by everyone

[stone geode]

polish debuff

[stray yew]

idk nisha won something with secret

and so did 33 with tundra

sounds like sweden debuff

[stone geode]

micke with nisha should work on paper but I dont think it does

good comeback by insania, from washed up player casting tournaments to playing finals regularly

[stray yew]

that looks like real shit lina game

marci/storm even visage birds in your face

i love how lina could be 30k nw

and then you have marci with basher/bkb/boots so like 10k nw

and marci solos her

[stone geode]

yeah, just get jumped on and die

[stray yew]

fuck marci

[stone geode]

lame hero, anime shit

is she mute there as well

[stray yew]

no idea

idk maybe biased

but quinn is playing like he's best player in the game

game 1 he also dodged magnus rp with clutch blink

now he didnt die because dodged linas ult

[stone geode]

he might be atm

cant think of anyone thats really in form

[stray yew]

also wr with marci

is stupid

literally free satanic

2 times it makes such a difference

[jolly crane]

shadowdemon too stronk

[stray yew]

ye tofu playing insanely well too

idk im gonna say g2

they just picked sniper 4

dont do that

[jolly crane]

ye

[stone geode]

yeah tkat wr looks insanely good in fights

[jolly crane]

they have nothing to punish her

their lockdown is too limited

[stray yew]

lina is quite good tbh

has fuckton of magic damage

but the saves from sd

[jolly crane]

ye but monet is out of position half the time

[stone geode]

disruption save

[stray yew]

make the world of difference

[jolly crane]

and its too early in the game

[stray yew]

nah its more of he doesnt have bkb

when wr has bkb

so he cant man up

and his game is rough with no bkb becuase storm/visage/marci can jump him

its not a good lina game

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

imo

[jolly crane]

idk i think this

gleipnir rush stuff

is just not worth

over going maelstrom -> bkb

[stray yew]

its very good

[jolly crane]

and then finish gleipnir

[stray yew]

nah gleipnir

is crazy good

[jolly crane]

its very good, yeah, but if you rely on it too much

[stray yew]

because it tanks you mega hard

its justified i think

[jolly crane]

hero like wr doesnt care if shes rooted

if you cant use it to jump on her

its a nice catch, but what use is a catch if you cant use it to jump on the hero

[stray yew]

i think its not issue of the build

its just wr has more farm than lina

[jolly crane]

well she didnt 5mins ago

[stray yew]

this kunkka honestly somehow doest do anything

imo

that mid fight i didnt feel kunkka impact whatsoedver

even tho he was top nw for his team

[jolly crane]

ye

he just cast boat

and that was it

lina ddint do anything either

[stray yew]

and when lina was being perma ganked he farmed

[jolly crane]

and missed laguna

[stray yew]

also sd is such annoying

probably if they coul have someone hunt sd they could win fights

need shaker to do that

he has greaves too

[jolly crane]

ye you cant jump the sd

you die for it if you do

the kunkka needs to frontline

and he doesnt atm

the crimson is gonna be big imo

if they dont get ganked

[stray yew]

crimson is good pickup

by the kunkka

[jolly crane]

a proper 5v5 fight

i think g2 wins

[stray yew]

dont know what sd is going for tho

sd rly good against auras actually

you either steal them with disruption or purge them with ult

i cant believe g2 lets them do it

[stone geode]

birds dont have number of attacks anymore right

[jolly crane]

waiting for shaker bkb

[stray yew]

nah

[jolly crane]

surprisingly

the networth difference isnt that big

[stray yew]

[jolly crane]

for being a rax down and 10 kills behind

[stray yew]

wtf is this

my pos 4

[jolly crane]

well

mirana can kinda

chew through wr with solar flare

and mkb

[stray yew]

he let rax go

for that bkb

just to do this nightfall

[jolly crane]

ye

[stone geode]

its saika now

[jolly crane]

its not

just like its not raddan

or somnus

[stone geode]

why rename, its lame

[stray yew]

players are idiots

renaming

ruining their brands

imo

unless you're ee

[jolly crane]

yep

[stray yew]

then rename

[stone geode]

23cabbage went back at least

[jolly crane]

or fuckingmad

[stray yew]

or some other hated figure

ye that name is fine to change too

[stone geode]

I like how asian players have just random words as names

like maybe

[jolly crane]

or numbers

or letters

QQQ

dy

jt

usually short for their name, but ye

gg finally farming the map

instead of standing in front of enemy highground for 3minutes

without getting anything done

if the shaker doesnt tp out there

they kill that storm

[stone geode]

isnt jt malaysian

wonder if he speaks chinese

actually 3 of them are

so I guess so

[jolly crane]

well

thats a throw

[stray yew]

ye this is time

[jolly crane]

if ive ever seen one

[stray yew]

id press f9 in my game as dire

and tell other team they just wasted 20 minutes of my time

[jolly crane]

and hit the questionmark

[stray yew]

nah i hate games like that

sit on hg for 20 minutes

[jolly crane]

i mean this was just

what the fuck

[stray yew]

thats one way to end the gmae

[jolly crane]

lets jump into farmed wr with ult

ye idk

smart

[stray yew]

they just punished lina pick

[jolly crane]

itemize for big teamfight

[stray yew]

so much

[jolly crane]

then get ganked outside of base 50 times

[stray yew]

i honestly cant be fucked watching drafts nowadays

[jolly crane]

same

[stray yew]

but if that wasnt some early pick

[jolly crane]

takes so long as well

[stray yew]

huge blunder

but ye marci/visage completely shut her down

as they should

and never ever came back

ill only watch drafts in semis or some other big playoff gmae nowadays

[jolly crane]

anyway

back to the grindstone i go

[stray yew]

thats not something you see often

0 death dyrachyo game

[stone geode]

viper is such a dog

[scenic flax]

https://tenor.com/view/im-on-cloud-nine-cloud-nine-gif-862018135537645867

[jolly crane]

https://i.imgur.com/LUOziYA.jpeg

this is actually

so cursed lol

[stray yew]

was gonna be that anyway becuase spirit lost

so it was xg or liquid there

tundra standin buff

[rugged cipher]

first time invoker do something

[stray yew]

i think ive never seen doom win

and then i see wr win every game

[craggy pivot]

wr has like 50% win and doom 35%

[stray yew]

if wr has over 50% winrate that means she's broken anyway because has close to 100% contest rate

[manic ermine]

33 did win with doom vs xg today

[stray yew]

and even shit teams pick her

i think i watched 3 doom games yday

all were lost

[craggy pivot]

doom lost 8 in a row before the liquid win

[stray yew]

ye and 33 is specialist on that hero

[stray yew]

doom again

[stone geode]

skiter?

[stray yew]

lmao

both carries just died

oracle miscalculated his mana

doom is doing sth this game

[stone geode]

keeping falcons in the game

[stray yew]

oracle is

if a fight started in a way oracle dies 1st

its probably over

they did that on top fight but it was near tower and he bought back

coz they can burst anyone on falcons but oracle will just ult

will this just be another 10 minute game extender

they weill just get rosh for it

the fuck did malrine do

LMAO

[stone geode]

they will push base into bbs and throw

[stray yew]

force bbs and rosh

or just rosh

coz its up in 20s i think

i never know what this timer means

ye 1 rax and rosh

game just gets extended

tbh just wait for minute 60 as tundra

[jolly crane]

good game tho

[stray yew]

maybe you get lucky and get mirror shields

mirro shields crazy good value

[jolly crane]

ye

mirror shield on luna and invo

[stray yew]

and as i say that

[jolly crane]

and its gonna be a sad razor

[stray yew]

they will end the game

59:00

its always like that

(someone will dont know who)

[jolly crane]

pure no shard

why are carries so averse

to buying shard

[stray yew]

what is luna shard now even

[jolly crane]

idk

isnt it still the

glaives circling around you

[stray yew]

nah

thats baseline

[jolly crane]

that give dmg reduction

oh

[stray yew]

thats so w/e

[jolly crane]

hmye fair

i thought it was still

the broken shard

but ig thats baseline now

[stray yew]

nah its baseline now

[jolly crane]

kek

[stray yew]

after facets

maybe its afacet even idk

[jolly crane]

did they just buff all ranged carries

[stray yew]

i dont like when luna is good

but its betetr than when tiny is good

fuck tiny

[jolly crane]

the forcestaff plays

to save that luna after aegis

that was some sick shit

[stray yew]

lol the fact pure mans up

with no bb

wtf

this is over i think

idk why they did that

why not get 60 items

[jolly crane]

lmao

that ET

[stone geode]

[stray yew]

LMAO

ye WTF

HAAHHAHA

[jolly crane]

deleted

[stray yew]

WHATS GOING ON

thats 4v4 tho

they have 2 buys

[jolly crane]

that was

the luna glaive active

with shard

[stray yew]

sponsored by et

lets be real

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

natural order

-100/-100

[jolly crane]

natural order is just

such a broken spell

always has been

[stray yew]

i guess they reset

rosh/neutrals

[jolly crane]

ye

you just grab t5s now

and rosh

give aegis to invo possibly

cuz pure has buyback again

before the next fight

[stray yew]

rapier tho

[stone geode]

aegis on luna seems like a bad call

[jolly crane]

it kinda works

cuz you just send her in

to chase down a hero or two

with the mirror shield now

they cant punish it

[stone geode]

by the time he respawns his team is dead and it doesnt matter

will see

[jolly crane]

nah you just send him in deep

cuz he respawns anyway

spread the fight

cuz the oracle cannot show

cool turnaround

great game

[stray yew]

ye that was bad

its joever

isnt it

[craggy pivot]

no buy

[stray yew]

that wouldnt have mattered tbh

coz they have 0 buys anyway

[jolly crane]

topson buff

only person i see make invoker work

[stray yew]

2-0ing falcos damn

impressive

[jolly crane]

i dont think much of him but

hes been playing great on invo

[stray yew]

they ruined

[jolly crane]

both games

[stray yew]

lots of predictions

i would predict falcons

[jolly crane]

ye

tbf falcons didnt play well in groups either

[stone geode]

many upsets so far

[jolly crane]

i didnt see the xg/liquid games

but looked like a stomp

[stone geode]

liquid played well

[craggy pivot]

liquid vs gg inc

[stray yew]

na powerhouse

can they do it against gg

[rugged cipher]

ez for ppd's padawans

[stray yew]

ok game 3 probably

[jolly crane]

WR just seems kinda busted for these kind of games

feels like you dont wanna fight into that without pipe or crimson

[craggy pivot]

blademail ist rly good against her, but dont have a real hero for it either

[stray yew]

doom can always buy it but other than that yea

[stray yew]

quinn snowballing a bit

but he is mk

its so easy to throw it away imo

[craggy pivot]

gg really good at throwing in general

[stray yew]

what

[craggy pivot]

they'll going to overforce a fight min 15 and loose

[stray yew]

they rae the only team in the entire scene for past 1,5 year that are able to close games off of lanes

what are you talking about

every other team is scared walking hg 20 minute mark

[jolly crane]

5k nw difference

by minute 10

the fuck

[stray yew]

meanwhile gg walks up hg and just ends the game 15-20 minute mark so often

[jolly crane]

but ye mk is like qop

you can have

[stray yew]

ye quinn doesnt wanna lose to NA

[jolly crane]

crazy first 15mins

then you die twice

and game is done

[craggy pivot]

they pretty much always win lanes and the games they loose are overforced mid game and cant recover late

[jolly crane]

idk what happened to this beastmaster tho

[stray yew]

they got cooked bot

by furion/omni

[jolly crane]

and there goes the lead

[craggy pivot]

gg just loosing from the start like never happens

[stray yew]

ye because thats how they play and draft to win early

if you wanna say some team throws often its betboom

they always dominated early and just crumbled in mid/late game

gg conversion of winning lanes into winning game is for sure highest in t1 pro scene

for the past 2 seasons

[jolly crane]

ye id say so as well

id also put XG there, but they tend to not win their lanes that often

but when they do, game is usually over

same with GG

and then you have teams like spirit or the old OG

that ended up losing lanes a lot but always clawing their way back into the game with superior vision and teamplay/itemization

[craggy pivot]

it def is, but that doesnt change their looses are mostly from not being able to keep the lead in the mid game, which I'd still consider a throw

[stray yew]

just because you have lead doesnt mean its a throw

lmao i just watched bm

die 3 times same place

same way

[jolly crane]

i mean its kind of how the game goes

you have an early lead, you get ganked a few times or enemy reads your map movement better than you do theirs, your lead is gone

throw to me means that they did something really predictably bad

like having an early lead, having a fight where you use all ultimates and they dont, then you keep pushing/fighting and lose

[stray yew]

ye this is stomp

or is it

lmao th hawk

ok nvm furion cleans

[craggy pivot]

I guess, they have some weird target selection in those early fights somewhat often and cant recover with their drafts when they loose

[stray yew]

its cool different teams have different ways of playing and gg definitely is unique in that regard imo

[craggy pivot]

at the same time the fights go slightly different and then run over a team suddenly like g2 yesterday

[stray yew]

at the start of the season it was heavy teamfight lategame meta and they did pretty bad

they failed to get out of grp at some tournament even

[jolly crane]

in the games where GG lose, they just overestimate their lead

and push the advantage without their resources being ready

like, they take a fight with pipe being used, people respawn 30sec later, they fight again, pipe still on CD

or the ultimates of their supports being unavailable like chen ult or similar stuff

they basically keep going until they get wiped

[craggy pivot]

or the dyrachyo dagger on torm

[jolly crane]

oftentimes they dont

but eventually theyll keep pushing too deep, like that fight under the top t2

[stray yew]

ye that was some unluck i remember

that was the stupid

2-3 weeks of that stupid brooch shit

holy

i remember playing pubs

was no fun

i wonder if someone could do stat

how many ace's games end liek this

[jolly crane]

the answer is: Yes

[craggy pivot]

this event he had an aura in every game except, 2 one they finished to early the other they lost to early so he had only vanguard

so: Yes

very interested how spirit vs g2xig goes tomorrow

spirit looked unstoppable in groups and then they dont ban sk 2 games

[thorny fiber]

4/4 teams in semi finals are EU west

is any other major esport so dominated by eu

[manic prawn]

csgo maybe?

[thorny fiber]

true

maybe its a steam thing

[stray yew]

lots of young/successful players come from CIS region

and they do love their dota/cs so yea maybe it is a steam thing

in both of these games i mean

[jolly crane]

any esport that is dying everywhere except CIS?

cuz dota is essentially dead in NA, has been dying for years in china

[thorny fiber]

what esport is thriving anyway

isnt the entire industry in quite a bad place

[craggy pivot]

yes, they've come to the point where they realised that making money in esports is basically impossible

[thorny fiber]

its for the wrong reasons anyway

i think valve is succeeding in making dota a game ppl want to play, esports help with that

aspirational content

its like a very advanced marketing strategy

[stray yew]

past 2 years valve didnt really do anything for esports other than majors for dota at least

and the compendium but its not like back in the years

if anything yea they're making dota better experience for more casual players like me

with the anti smurf patches and whatever uhm cavern crawl type content

dont know what its called

but that was kinda cool grinding it when i was playing

[jolly crane]

none, but theres a difference between just things dying out, sponsors pulling out etc, and the scene at least being stable

CIS is the only dota region thats stable in that regard, and SA to some degree

[thorny fiber]

Middle east too

[thorny fiber]

Didnt c9 just get back into dota

[jolly crane]

ye

[jolly crane]

id say org wise, yes, player wise, not really

the few mena based players are still far and few between

eu west was slipping too but theres a lot of CIS expats now in those teams that kept the scene alive

[thorny fiber]

Is that a case of there is no talented eu west players. Or is eu west competitive dota a closed up shop where the mainstay talents are the only ones given any chances in the best teams

[humble yew]

they never did shit for esports tbh

they said it themselves "we dev games, we dont do esports"

[jolly crane]

reckon its just too expensive

running a full team of western european players with accommodations, salaries etc.

vs doing so in CIS

is like 3-4x as expensive

especially since most of the eu western players come from scandinavian countries or germany

and are semi-established in many cases

building and paying a new team of cis pubstars is just much easier and cheaper than doing so in the west where t heres not really a youth or amateur scene anymore

[thorny fiber]

makes sense

cus you look at EU west teams

and its the same ppl

since like, 5 years ago

[jolly crane]

ye

just grab some CIS pubstar, help him build some fame, then sell him to one of the big teams, rinse repeat

[stray yew]

at least previously it was big prize pool in ti but when i think about it wasnt it 25-75 cut from compendium stuff so nvm that

[stray yew]

double dd on morph in 5 mins lmao

bb

[stone geode]

[stray yew]

they legit lost to gaben

[stone geode]

if that lasso on bat hits in the bottom fight game was joever

[stray yew]

ye mk got lucky

[stray yew]

nightfall in elimination game on morph

name a more iconic duo

[scenic flax]

ATF & "?"

[stray yew]

i mean falcons all chat so often

its not special anymore

imo

they ruined it

[craggy pivot]

wonder why nouns struggles so hard vs bb, their early vs gg was fine, but here they just get run over

[stone geode]

missed the entire series

NA

[jolly crane]

idk

nouns took a game of GG but

they got demolished in game 3

and their game1 early was bad too

[stone geode]

is battlefury the play on safe lane monkey

[jolly crane]

usually you go maelstrom

into gleipnir

[stone geode]

ye, I dont see the reason for him going BF

[craggy pivot]

the def struggle in the early and recover after, but they didnt loose game in 10 min vs gg

[stone geode]

its slower build up and gleipnir op

[craggy pivot]

don't see the reason either does bf even farm significantly faster than gleip

and gleip into q catch is insane

[jolly crane]

bf farms faster

and has better mana regen

its the better pve item, maelstrom/gleip are the better teamfight ones

[stone geode]

yeah but do you think you can outpve falcons to win the game

[jolly crane]

no

[stone geode]

maybe he did, idk

[jolly crane]

but i also dont think you can out fight falcons

when theyve been one of the most dominatn teams in the last 6 months

id rather bet on pve than pvp at that point

[stone geode]

with gleip you can maybe get a pick off, you are also more tanky

idk im just trying to see why he chose BF

ok I dont see this team getting a game off falcons

[jolly crane]

nah

bad itemization

[stone geode]

ho ho ha ha

[thorny fiber]

why is he allowed to be named swedenstrong

when he's russian

[jolly crane]

but hes had that name for like

5+ years

[thorny fiber]

someone should take the name russiaweak

[leaden kindle]

brothers i win

[manic ermine]

big

[stone geode]

Spirit vs XG

[jade bramble]

[craggy pivot]

need that to be a banger, the other series today were kinda boring and I doubt this spectre game can change that

[stone geode]

only saw the first spirit game, ill get to the 2nd one during downtime between games

[stone geode]

spectre is back

[craggy pivot]

the DK

[stone geode]

DK.BurNIng

tusk 🐸

[craggy pivot]

no buy min 45

🙂

[jolly crane]

whats XGs obsession with the support tinker btw

i kinda dont get it

i also havent seen it win yet

[stone geode]

looks like a hard game for spirit though

[jolly crane]

feel like

most spirit games look like that

yet they end up winning like 80% of them

[stone geode]

luna is going to get fat on the back of the sniper

[jolly crane]

ye but they dont have anything to peel really

spirit can just jump them

what are they gonna do

they will be fighting into a fuckton of damage tho

but if spirit auras up (they wont cause collapse), they can easily take these fights

[stone geode]

spiarits supports are poor, last game too

tinker will always have big farm

[craggy pivot]

the luck in some of these games is insane for spirit, the xg engage last game or the aurora game

at least spirit has started banning sk

[stone geode]

this looks pretty much over

[jolly crane]

well this looks kinda crazy

from XG

[stray yew]

this is definitely not over yet

spirit has such insane teamfight

3 teamfight heroes + storm/morph

[stone geode]

they cant teamfight though

[stray yew]

idk didnt even press spells

pressed arena only

[stone geode]

they just die to damage

its mega joever

[jolly crane]

ngl

if collapse learns that theres items like pipe or crimson

they win that game

but maybe the tempo from XG was a bit too high for that to come into play this game

but the blink felt entirely useless

[stone geode]

storm didnt exist, they won 4v5s luna got fat and they just pushed them and killed them with damage

xg kinda won all lanes

not sure pipe turns it but blink wasnt too impactful

[jolly crane]

need to be able to reset fights

cant do that if you dont live their ults

morph/storm etc. are good heroes to just

trigger fight, get ults used, get out

and then fight again after

btu hey, game3

always nice

[stone geode]

ye, but if they go out now they are last place

kinda sad

[jolly crane]

repeat of 22

[stone geode]

6-0 groups, lose to nouns

[jolly crane]

but ye

[stone geode]

[jolly crane]

i think XG has better chances to go far

spirit seems out of it a bit

[stone geode]

draft a little off

and meta maybe doesnt suit them as well

xg tusk, its joever

[craggy pivot]

def didn't think tusk would be one of the tournaments best picks before it started

[rugged cipher]

yatoro thinks he can win without bald buff

[stone geode]

Raddan cursed name

TB

[craggy pivot]

Rain all day dota all night

[stone geode]

big TB hater

already looks terrible

double blink for what

you cant kill the backline or anyone really