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jolly crane
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ye

stray yew
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but if you say so

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then so is tinys

jolly crane
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i mean

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it has a weakness

stray yew
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hero starts with 1k hp

jolly crane
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its just one thats hard to exploit

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especially in pubs

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and as a support player ive just always hated playing against morphs

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or tinkers

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or arc wardens

stray yew
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tinker and arc warden arent even half of what they used to be

jolly crane
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i didnt know that morph can morph into rubick and then use the spell he has stolen

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thats funny aff

stray yew
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tinker ever since he cant refresh blink dagger with ult

jolly crane
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ye

stray yew
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like the 3s after getting hit part

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is w/e

jolly crane
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its a lot less grating to play into

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tiny and morph are still

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"guess im dead" in midgame

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if you run into them

stray yew
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tiny is rough but also isnt

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coz most people playing tiny

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are braindamaged

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so they run alone 24/7

jolly crane
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and as a pos4 playeri t just feels so unbelievably pointless to get really good harrass going against a morph safelane

stray yew
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so you can pick them off

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and once you kill them once or twice its joever

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they stop oneshotting people

jolly crane
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every other hero you harrass the shit out of

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you ruin their game

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for 10 minutes

stray yew
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as i said you dont necessarily kill morph in lane

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you just hit him and push the lane

jolly crane
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morph kinda doesnt care cuz of how efficient regen is on him

stray yew
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so he has 35 dmg

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under tower

jolly crane
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ye

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but GL

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getting your pos3 to do that

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when its not proplay

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you think your pos3 melee hero player is gonna pull bigcamp while you keep harrassing the morph under the tower so he cant lasthit?

stray yew
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its also masive overthink

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people dont like winning on lasthits in pubs

jolly crane
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ye

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lanes are won on kills pmuch

stray yew
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whenever i play 4 or 5

jolly crane
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and morph doesnt really die

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but ye BM doing solo rosh with just aghs is just

stray yew
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i win lane by buying more blue sticks than enemy support

jolly crane
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so cringe

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pmuch ye

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its just a regen battle

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and some heroes have very efficient regen

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its why heroes like ench are so strong

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free heals

stray yew
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ench has pure dmg nuke too

jolly crane
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ye

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theres some heroes

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you cant trade with 1v1

stray yew
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ench is one of more stupid heroes in recent 5 years

jolly crane
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morph, ench, willow

stray yew
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together with tiny

jolly crane
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at least willow got nerfed

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i still dont think

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not playing it anymore is good

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its still the most disruptive support

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that goes super well with any blink pos3

stray yew
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it counters certain heroes a lot

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like primal

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or spirit breaker

jolly crane
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ye

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play it with mars or centaur and its still

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free kills

stray yew
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i think id rather play sv willow than hoodwink tho

jolly crane
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fair

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problem with hood in proplay is that i always think it takes away too much farm from other heroes

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you kinda dont want to play supports that get a lot of killing blows

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or can clear camps very easily, cuz it drains youre cores

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imo hood is a typical "win more" hero, thats not that great when you play from behind

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cuz the hero has 1 skill

stone geode
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not a fan of this spirit draft

hybrid gate
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its a crime how stinger doesnt give stick charges

jolly crane
craggy pivot
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Treads Seer guess jakiro gets greaves for team

hybrid gate
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kick yatoro for this?

stone geode
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doesnt look good

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tiny so good

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SK 💩

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looks joever already

leaden kindle
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xdx a player ask me how could i write so gud on map

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i told him its practice

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since i cant type on channel

craggy pivot
jolly crane
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idk

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feels like

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sk just doesnt do shit

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this rdesign focus on caustic/sandstorm

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is the worst thing theyve ever done to a hero, imo

craggy pivot
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sk doesnt do shit and then comes the game where he drops sandstorm and just face tanks 5 people

jolly crane
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sk strength is so backloaded

hybrid gate
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just abuse pipe

jolly crane
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idk, i just dont like it

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was my fav hero

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but zero ways to boost burrowstrike

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which is the most interesting skill in the kit

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stomped

hybrid gate
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nerf tiny pls

craggy pivot
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no double games tomorrow at least

worn drift
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Surely spirit don’t do a 2023 move and get knocked out insta clueless

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(Not out of riyadh specifically ik they won that)

leaden kindle
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gigachad tiny enjoyer

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i must say this hero is broken

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i guess need edition would nerf his dmg of throw and bring back some mana recover

stray yew
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its also bugged

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toss does full dmg vs bkb targets

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for some reason

stone geode
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siren 11 am games siren

stone geode
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weird game

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buy 2x orchid, do nothing

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lose game

stray yew
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@jolly crane

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25 more of this

stone geode
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actually good games by BB

hybrid gate
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this mans cant hit his requiem on aegis

stone geode
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what a read on those ancients

stone geode
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TB NotLikeThis

craggy pivot
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how does tiny get through bans so often

stone geode
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winning them both games

craggy pivot
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winrate is sub 50%, but in the games tiny looses he still looks like the best hero

jolly crane
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and he does need quite a bit to have kill potential against cores

thorny fiber
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played against him mid recently, guy rushed phylactery and almost 1-shot me with each toss

jolly crane
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ye its a stupid hero

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but easy to gank

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slow af

stray yew
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its not that easy to gank

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he has 2k hp at lvl 6

jolly crane
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i mean if you rotate just 1 support

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thats barely a gank

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but ye

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fuck tiny

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regardless

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and primal beast

stone geode
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pos 6 invoker

jolly crane
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farming this much on the veno

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is gonna either win or lose them the game

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im leaning towards lose

stone geode
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other cores are behind quite a bit

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pango died a few times and invoker is just pos4 now

jolly crane
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its just the same shit as the hood 4

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its a support thats farming by clearing neutrals

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and getting lanecreeps easily, shoving waves instead of letting them come closer

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and that messes with the farming patterns a lot

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and you end up cucking your cores

stone geode
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no damage on og

jolly crane
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well

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was a 4v5 fight

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cuz veno was cliffed

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with their auras

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no pipe no greaves in that fight

stone geode
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dont see a way back here

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ok gg

stone geode
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this injoker is a creep again

jolly crane
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think itd be fine if their pos3 wasnt useless both games imo

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dunno if weve seen a doom yet

stone geode
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theres one

jolly crane
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just not a cohesive draft at all imo, which i feel is hat invo needs? idk

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i think invo pairs well with good teamfighters and supports like phoenix

stone geode
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yeah both og losses didnt look too close

jolly crane
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but this is just

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such bad play like

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why do you even song there

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just silence him when he walks uphill?

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instead you give him time to react and for the team to counter position/tp in etc.

stone geode
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probably too far ahead to lose still

jolly crane
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nah

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they just got the aegis twice but

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oh you meant psg too far ahead, yeah

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idk how they lost rosh twice tbh

stone geode
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morph playing like hes ahead

jolly crane
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ye

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idk

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just feels like

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wex invoker just doesnt do shit

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map is too big/theres too uch farm on the map

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to play invoker in a way that wants to roam and gank a lot

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with just vessel+coldsnap

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still feel this was just

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bad midgame performance by whisper

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in both losses

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like idk

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havent seen the doom all game

stone geode
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both pos 2 and 3 0 impact both games

jolly crane
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radiance doom

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think the invo is doing decently but like

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that gameplay is supposed to make space

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for other people on the team

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then you end up with ceb being a farmed veno

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but getting cliffed in the most important teamfight

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and no forcestaff on the team

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same this game

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mageslayer hood

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no force against naga/beastmaster

craggy pivot
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1 Hour delay Sleep

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we even had the pregame interview and players on stage already

stray yew
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its ultra joever

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just go next

stone geode
craggy pivot
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AINTNOWAY Liquid double throws in the series

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the windwaker HOLY

jolly crane
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where was the pango roll in that fight

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xxs also not linking anybody

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#rigged

rugged cipher
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top6 eu again nodders

jolly crane
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tiny facet is so dumb

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this game is so over

stray yew
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ye

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very over

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just call it

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its painful

worn drift
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Naga song strong this game

jolly crane
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feels like almost every game is super stompy nowadays, idk

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in midgame you almost always have one mid player having like half the networth of the other one

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same for pos3

worn drift
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Could be cuz of the nature of the heroes that are good idk

stone geode
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its joever for the champs

worn drift
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Snowbally

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They should have banned naga

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P sure this guy has like 1 really sick hero and its naga

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And idk ill never believe in troll warlord in my life this hero is bad

stone geode
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think he has void, morph and TA

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that he plays often

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troll has been good into ursa in the games ive seen

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panda seems really low impact in this patch, idk

worn drift
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I am pretty sure this hero never wins because of itself and it could be replaced by any carry and still win the game

stone geode
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aghs dispels fury swipes and range axes overpower

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I think

stray yew
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it doesnt dispel fury swipes

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it dispels overpower only

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nothing dispels fury swipes

stone geode
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ye, wasnt sure about the first one

stray yew
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death i guess

stone geode
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but without overpower he cant stack really

worn drift
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But ye they probably should have learned after game 2 that you shouldn’t let ppl have sk + naga

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Game 2 there was sk naga + centaur too lol

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Mid fight just press song and get perfect re-engage

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Basically can’t win team fights whatsoever unless you destroy naga in lane and never let her farm which is impossible if you wanna play effectively

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You end up with 3 tanky heroes you’re not gonna insta kill and then you just lose to song + stun into 2 minimum

jolly crane
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feels like triple tanky core atm is just winning you games

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just run at the enemy

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none of that pango rolling around while not doing much to tank damage shit

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just run at enemy, be unburstable

craggy pivot
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why does topson have gleipnir in quickbuy

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The catch is nice, but 5k for that seems to much

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very big improvement from groups for bb

stone geode
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its joever for bb

craggy pivot
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I sucesfully jinxed then basegcat

stray yew
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@jolly crane

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and stick 1s after

jolly crane
stray yew
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seli upset coz im having fun

humble yew
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Morphling AAAA

stray yew
stray yew
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quest doing some inspired run

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shame they didnt make it to ti xdd

jolly crane
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rigged

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MENA team winning MENA tournament

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not fighting with their strongest hero cuz beastmaster still farming botlane

stray yew
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coz bm had rough lane

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and was coming back

jolly crane
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ye but he had aghs

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at that point

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hes strongest hero on the map

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even if hes 2k networth behind teh rest

stray yew
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rosh is good

jolly crane
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still dont see them taking this idk

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brood pos1 is just

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not even comparable to CK

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only good for killing the supports in this game

stray yew
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ck wont have a game lategame

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too much random aoe

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his bkb is over and he is dead

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its close in lategame

jolly crane
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ye but i dont see quest getting there

stray yew
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maybe falcons a lil bit better because doom

jolly crane
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nah

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chen falls off hard past 30 imo

stray yew
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nah chen is ok lategame now even

jolly crane
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especially against BM

stray yew
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coz you just build braindead auras

jolly crane
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bm just clears his creeps without trying

stray yew
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its just auras

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doesnt matter

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imo

jolly crane
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ye idk

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why would you

stray yew
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ye this is over

jolly crane
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go for the WR support there

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and split your team

stray yew
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this beast isnt doing anything

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hero is so hit or miss idk why

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i mean beastmaster

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not primal

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that was CRAZY good spell casting from quest

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see how much chen kept them in fight kekdog

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just auras

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being busted

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he has some buff where you get more healing

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that was about worst place to take a fight

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small bridge into pango/bara/jakiro

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half of me wants quest to win so its kinda shitshow that they didnt make TI

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its kinda insane if they win entire tournament or at least make top 3 and you realise they dont make TI

jolly crane
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ye

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then again

stray yew
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bara with aghs

jolly crane
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thats why you have 2 major tournaments

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so its not that bad

stray yew
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is crazy good this

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game

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do you know how busted aghs is into single target spells

jolly crane
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unless you take a shackle and shackle your carry or smth

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by accident

stray yew
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even then its ok

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coz chances are your carry was getting it in the 1st place anyway

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it interacts with lotus too

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that you reflect it

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i odnt understand how do they get only supports dying there

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insane read by quest tbh

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i dont think malrine was showing bot yet

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but they already were going on them

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unless he has some aura item and they saw aura on creeps

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coz even if you're smoked you see auras like ac/arcane boots etc

stone geode
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bara always looks so good

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what a fight

stray yew
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jakiro aghs was so good

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ck just cooked

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aaaaaaand game just resets

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back to waiting for rosh

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or at least for double doom

stone geode
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idk if brood wins this lategame

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primal, ck and doom too thick

stray yew
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i think doom lategame is too good

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but maybe they roll the dice minute 60

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get 3x mirror shields

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enjoy that

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ck lategame xdd

stone geode
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gg by quest

stray yew
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close

jolly crane
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value of the hero is that you turn the 5v5 into a 4v5

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but in lategame thats a 3v5 possibly

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or having 2 fights back to back after buybacks are being used, where both are 4v5

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and that just wins games

stray yew
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is gg doing reverse last year

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kinda slow start

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and ramp up for 2 big tournaments

jolly crane
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maybe

craggy pivot
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very interesting match up both Teams kinda struggled this year and are likely to throw mid game

stray yew
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just call it

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after pango lived that

stone geode
stray yew
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they getting gaimaned

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pick greedy shit

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get exposed minuite 20

stone geode
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idk, is razor tiny greedy?

stray yew
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nyx/beast lane was

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and they got totally exposed

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mid lane idk how that lane goes i think tiny should be winning on lhs because he has more damage

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but quin had like 10cs/5 denies more

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w/e he just gets aghs and never ever dies on ursa

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this nyx would need to get a solo kill or two somewwhere on the map

stone geode
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I was thinking, did they remove mangos

stray yew
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nah

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but there is limited resource of them in shop

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all the regen consumables you have finite of

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when you start game you have like

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18 tangos/4 clarities/3 mangos

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ok salves maybe you have infinite of

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and then they replenish overtime

stone geode
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I just dont remember seeing a mango used for ages

stray yew
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supports buy them early on/sf

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and sometimes when people take shovel as neutral

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but other than that dead meme

stray yew
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they couldnt kill cm

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for so long

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liquid so impatient

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hold 1 rax for 2 minutes on hg

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'guys we are winning now we can win'

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leave highground lose 3 lose game

stone geode
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2 ez for gg

stray yew
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liquid when match containts word 'final'

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avg performance

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i do agree that pipe/aura meta came in clutch for gaming

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they love it

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dominating lanes/snowballing with auras/early ish game heroes

stone geode
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this looks over

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falcons just outkiting the fights

stray yew
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ye needed rapier on snap or sth

humble yew
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did liquid just play a morphling support?

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I just tuned in and briefly saw boxi on the hero

stray yew
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ye people play it because of new facet

humble yew
thorny fiber
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Pretty good or?

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You are naturally quite tanky, got a stun, rubick lite

stone geode
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more liquid vs gg? despairge

stray yew
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thats big throw

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rosh + aghanim on t roll is their only chance

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they need aoe dispel for crimson xdd

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i know how this finals go

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falcons doing legit what gg did last time around

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stomp entire year

craggy pivot
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surely it doesnt go like yesterday or like all of last year

stray yew
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come to riyadh

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and go out 3rd

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pretty much what gaimin did last year

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ye idk they got kinda shitstomped yday

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by gg

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2x 20 minute stomps

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wasnt ever close

stone geode
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didnt look good in the liquid series either

jolly crane
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did quinn at least hit nisha with a "can you play a real hero?"

stray yew
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kinda nothing happened in this game besides mid brawl

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and they're 6k ahead

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he died through regen on pango

jolly crane
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doesnt the spider poison shit

stone geode
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lolquid

jolly crane
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reduce hp regen tho?

craggy pivot
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standing in webs does with facet

jolly crane
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ah

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makes sense

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but ye idk

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already seems over ngl

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33 on zoo hero

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and a farmed spoder

stray yew
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you mean ace

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33 is on tide

jolly crane
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oh yeah sorry

stone geode
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cant believe the quas wex injoker isnt pos 4

stray yew
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tide is kinda shit hero imo

jolly crane
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my brain is

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not good

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the invo does nothing this game tbf

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dont think its a good pick at all

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but it does counter the tide a bit

stray yew
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man they're starting rosh

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13:50

jolly crane
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cuz you can counter engage the ravage

stray yew
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thats some absolute peak gaming coming from gladiators

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ace is h aving time of his life

jolly crane
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ye

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ace good zoo man too

stray yew
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that q/w invoker is god tier vs this pango

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he cant ever get roll off

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because cold snap

jolly crane
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ye but thats gonna stop when he gets blink and initiates from outside invo range

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i just dont see what liquid have

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vs chen creeps, bm zoo and spiders

stray yew
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will there be anything to fight for is the question

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when they're 10-15k ahead minute 20

jolly crane
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ye

stray yew
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hitting your t2s/t3s with pipe/aegis

jolly crane
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they just aura up now and then its like

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how do they defend buildings

stray yew
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this is crazy gaimin patch

jolly crane
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against spiderlings+chen creeps with bm aura

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imo its just

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complete outdraft

stray yew
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the sad part its not

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liquid got liquid draft

jolly crane
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well sure but like

stray yew
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maybe minus tide

jolly crane
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whats the purpose

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of any of their heroes other than "they lane well against it"

stray yew
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it must be sth within their playstyles

jolly crane
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and they didnt even win lanes

stray yew
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that gg counters liquid

jolly crane
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cm vs chen creeps, okay, i get it

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tide vs spiderlings

stray yew
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or they in their head somehow

jolly crane
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but like

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beyond that

stray yew
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they surely expected morph/tide to bgeat brood/chen

jolly crane
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whats the win condition

stray yew
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but they got bodied

jolly crane
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ye

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why even have the morph bot

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against chen?

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idk

stray yew
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their draft idea was

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i think

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tide wins lane/stomps even

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and h can frontline for them

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coz what can you do

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if he is big

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roar him?

jolly crane
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yeah but

stray yew
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but ye ofc doesnt work out

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bm snowballed

jolly crane
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how do you win a lane

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with a morph support

stray yew
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bot win

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on regen

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but they had brood

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with -regen

jolly crane
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ye

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and chen with regen aura+creep

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so like

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idk

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if they get a vhoul

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you have no regen on that lane

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so that seems like a very weak wincon

stone geode
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is this going to be a 3-0 in 90 mins

stray yew
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idk

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this is 3-0

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in 1h ye

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agree

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liquid is 100% broken

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they played 3 games

jolly crane
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its actually hilarious

stray yew
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and 0 of them were longer than 15 minutes really

jolly crane
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how pango is still this bugged

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but also still always good

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but ye idk, these 2 supports just dont do shit if the lane doesnt go well

stray yew
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this is looking like bunch of top 1000 immortals playing into some divine 1 stack

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almost 1k/minute lead

jolly crane
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its like "do well in lane or lose"

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thats a very weak plan

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and draft imo

stray yew
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ye liquid needs to cheese lanes

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pick something absolutely stupid

jolly crane
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the plan was to like

stray yew
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and hope it works

jolly crane
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lane cm into chen

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and morph into jakiro

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and then they didnt

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and just kept lanes like that

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??

stray yew
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ye agree

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but tbh

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cm is supposed to be counter to bm

jolly crane
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and even if you swap

stray yew
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historically

jolly crane
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they swap again as well

stray yew
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coz you kill boars

jolly crane
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idk

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i hoenstly dont believe that works

stray yew
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they just got outplayhed

jolly crane
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you just keep boar back a bit

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until you have 2

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and then if cm shows

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shes dead

hybrid gate
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dont google tide last pick

jolly crane
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its just a bunch of "On paper this works" stuff but in reality it kinda doesnt

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the tide pick is the least problem in all of this

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if you draft a gimmicky pos4 morph who only does 1 thing

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you need the rest of your draft to be a bit more flexible

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but all of their hero picks do exactly 1 thing, its super one-dimensional and predictable

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and that just doesnt work against a team like GG

stone geode
#

monkey morph just flex out the wazoo

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and they flexed themselves

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into a 10 min loss

jolly crane
#

straightup

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if i look at this draft

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i feel

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you swap morph to pos1 and monkey 4

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and its a better game

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monkey4 is shit into chen but

stone geode
#

monke avoids the deathball

jolly crane
#

at least you dont have a useless carry

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and iirc morph lanes decently well into BM

stone geode
#

its the classic antimage pick, you dont even have manta but already losing racks

stray yew
#

monkey as a hero should be winning lane

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not a good hero when you lose lane

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also his game is rly hard when your tide is super squishy

jolly crane
#

monkey into bm is like

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why

stray yew
#

thats the moment

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you pause the game as quin

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in a pub

jolly crane
stone geode
#

call it

stray yew
#

legit used everything

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he didnt even die

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they called

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liquid should try going all in lanes

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see what happens

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if they lose a game where minute 20 its 0 nw lead

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then gg no counterplay xdd

stone geode
#

only 9k lead at 20 mins

#

this might be possible

jolly crane
#

9k with alch in the game is alright

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mostly worried about bkb timings on GG

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will be nasty for liquid to deal with

stray yew
#

if this is best liquid can do

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its def not enough

#

they just do 2nd rosh and win

stone geode
#

its joever

stray yew
#

ye liquid lost in 30 minutes

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instead of 25

craggy pivot
#

that was a classic dyrachyo moment and then somehow it wasnt

stone geode
#

if liquid reverse sweep ill tattoo the logo on my forehead

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liquid is broken

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they cant even play

craggy pivot
#

seems like liquids best draft so far, surely this is their game

stone geode
#

liquid gold lead

jolly crane
#

tiny is such a dumb hero

stone geode
#

clip it

jolly crane
#

like

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how does toss at lv7

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do 600 damage

#

laguna does less

stray yew
#

quin

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is fucking

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god

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he mantadodged toss

stone geode
#

its joever

#

mental is broken

stray yew
#

joever

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just tap out

stone geode
#

this series is not even in the same universe

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could be bo20 and liquid doesnt win a game

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falcons quest was the best series I watched iirc

jolly crane
#

idk

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maybe im like

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biased or smth but

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all 3 games felt like outdrafts

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fundamentally

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this game is closest

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to having a good liquid draft

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getting tiny and bm

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but i still think their support drafting is super one dimensional

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they just dont have any damage to kill anything with their support drafts

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in any game

stone geode
#

as soon as gg gets pipe its over

jolly crane
#

its just

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such reactionary support drafting i feel?

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you see what GG have, you look at liquid and go "yeah, makes sense" but its not cohesive or smth they can use to take control and lead the game

stone geode
#

call it

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ok

jolly crane
#

ye

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this was probably

#

the least enjoyable dota tournament ive watched in a longass time

#

every series just stomp after stomp

#

very same~y meta

#

tons of technical issues, annoying playin/group stage

craggy pivot
hybrid gate
#

wtf

#

is everyone chewing gum

stone geode
#

I was about to look up when games were played today

#

finals so bad I forgot it happened

plain pilot
#

What're your ranks, guys?

rugged cipher
#

retirement inc PauseChamp

raven delta
#

(jk i'm 6k)

plain pilot
#

Haha nice mmr btw

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I'm 4k. Tired of ppl going Sven 5 cuz they see their streamer do that

raven delta
#

riki 5 player shouldn't complain about sven 5 😄

plain pilot
#

Haha I was kidding 😆

leaden kindle
#

i am doomed

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i guess its luck things

thorny fiber
#

Is it

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In a lot of these games you have few kills/assists, maybe they were all stomps and had minimal action or you play mostly for yourself/farming until the game is just already lost

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Like a game where you end at 5 kills and 6 assist with 12 deaths. This tells me you did almost nothing for most of the game and perhaps scored a few kills/assist when they were diving fountain

leaden kindle
#

they become to argue

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like the mid play bad last game and another teammate argue with him

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then they trolled

#

xdx i can do nothing

thorny fiber
#

Ye i mean sometimes you are just unlucky

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But it evens out

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Or should at least

leaden kindle
#

yea i trust that

thorny fiber
#

Tip is to avoid the bad players

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So you dont have to play with them again

#

Avoid function is ur best friend in dota

leaden kindle
#

tru

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but just losing, and i advantage in lane, also i try my best to kill every enemy

#

nice looking stat and carry but still lose is kinda

raven delta
#

from my experience, gaben giveth and gaben taketh away

#

sometimes you will get a chain of terrible teammates

#

i recently had a 12 win streak where every1 in every game was a normal functioning human being

#

then 4 games in a row i get literal throwers

#

like legit raging in picking phase or in the first 3 minutes of the game

manic ermine
#

Waiting 3 weeks for valve to fix input lag, game is unplayable feelsyarrman

leaden kindle
#

7.37 Come

faint lance
#
craggy pivot
#

did anyone watch snow ruyi today? First series was at 4am now it's nearly 5pm and they just started the 4th series of the day

shrewd skiff
#

tried finally going into ranked in dota2, no one says picks or anything they just go to whatever lane, i somehow end up as pos1

#

enemy team is boosting, trashtalks the entire time, our team is trolling, buying wards and placing them next to enemy tower

#

yeah...

jolly crane
#

shouldnt it say when you queue

#

what roles you play

#

or rather, in pick screen

shrewd skiff
#

it didnt say somehow i checked everywhere

#

i went for the all pick ranked not the role queue

#

so like the old moba style ig where everyone says in chat what they wanna do or flex

jolly crane
#

afaik ranked is always with role queue WeirdDude

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unless they changed smth in the last like 5months

#

or maybe thats just the verified ranked

#

and you played the shitter one

craggy pivot
#

you can play role q or "normal", but pretty sure everyone plays role q, except people that got banned from role q for griefing

jolly crane
#

ye

raven delta
#

Ye, there is "classic" ranked without roles

#

But i don't think i've ever played it

shrewd skiff
#

I thought the normal was to play "classic" ranked lol

#

Maybe thats why my experience was so shit

#

Got queues with shitheads who were boosting

jolly crane
#

Nah definitely role queue

humble yew
jade bramble
manic ermine
#

Just as the wow expansion launches

humble yew
#

10 days before TI too Classic

stone geode
#

Not going to be in captains mode is it

leaden kindle
stone geode
#

🍵 👁️ 🕐

manic ermine
#

Xg vs GG should be hype

jolly crane
#

oh yeah

#

suddenly TI

#

the fuck is xinq doing

#

on the pos4 timber

#

having some farm as quinn

craggy pivot
#

the timezone turn speed save on the replay

humble yew
#

most not hype TI

#

feels weird

jolly crane
#

ye

#

idk if its cuz im just busy with other games and stuff that i barely paid attention to it

#

or just overall lack of promotion

stone geode
#

I barely pay attention myself, not even sure where i saw that it was starting

thorny fiber
#

It has a ton of viewers for some reason tho

jolly crane
#

ame made that aoe focusfire WR work tho

thorny fiber
#

Group stage usually doesnt gather 300k

jolly crane
#

always felt that facet was a bit underrated

#

idk if they buffed it

thorny fiber
#

They did

jolly crane
#

ah nice

#

was sick in teamfights before already

#

looks like this is the gleipnir TI

#

makes sense since its in denmark

craggy pivot
#

they already nerfed it again as well still really good tho

thorny fiber
#

23savage also played wr aoe ulti

#

Seems the norm

jolly crane
#

ye

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i meanb before people called it shit

#

cuz WR was exlcusively picked as this single-target killer

stone geode
#

23cabbage

jolly crane
#

but in the right situations it was always really sick

thorny fiber
craggy pivot
#

they also called heal tinker shit "pushes waves, it sucks", meanwhile you can just 2v5 in march doesnt matter that you push

scenic flax
#

cant wait for 3rd TI for team spirit

jolly crane
#

falcons not doing too well

#

in a group thats supposed to be free

craggy pivot
#

ye, it was really hard to call before and with the way some teams showed up today it gets even harder

jolly crane
#

Ame and Xinq TI

#

surely

craggy pivot
#

XG vs XG Team 2 finals surely

stone geode
#

morph ICANT

humble yew
craggy pivot
#

23cabbage ICANT

stone geode
#

15 min gg

craggy pivot
#

loosing in 60 sec after a 60 min pause kinda killed their mental I guess

stone geode
#

what is this game

stone geode
#

aint no way falcons win this game

manic prawn
#

oi dota bois

#

watching ti is fun

humble yew
#

minalbased in dota thread

#

tbh I never been so unhyped by TI but still watching from afar, as a tradition

manic prawn
stray yew
#

ti is always hype

humble yew
stray yew
#

this is also best format we've had

humble yew
#

it cant be worse than TI3 anyway

#

TI3 was the worst ever til this day

#

not 3

#

4

#

Im cooked

#

TI4 was bad

stray yew
#

you mean format or TI as a whole

humble yew
#

as a whole

#

this current format is cool I agree

rugged cipher
#

wait saksa does it again, just appears in a team when its TI after being absent all season

stone geode
#

wasnt gunnar mid before

jolly crane
#

still is

#

oh wait nvm

#

they swapped

#

copy is mid now ye

#

would be funny af if spirit goes 6-0 in groups, then loses this bo3 to still end up in lower bracket

#

the fucking

#

USA spamming in chat

stone geode
#

I dont think the entire NA region has 5 US players combined

jolly crane
#

ye

#

super cringe casting again as well

#

him taking that arrow did absolutely nothing for the teamfight after

#

spirit just trolled and decided to fight 4v4 uphill with no vision and a kunkka with 0 mana

stone geode
#

gg

jolly crane
#

ye

stone geode
#

luna kills base now

jolly crane
#

no buyback on yatoro

#

its been a while since ive seen an invoker actually have impact in a game

#

this was another one that didnt really have much

stone geode
#

topson had some good games this tournament

jolly crane
#

solo core lineup with a potm

#

bit too cute of a draft from spirit imo

#

with no lockdown at all

#

and fly did some major work on the treant with his overgrowths

stray yew
#

nouns won?

#

entire series or just 1 game

#

couldnt watch SAD

#

'NA' powerhouse

jolly crane
#

1 game

#

but id rather say

#

spirit lost

#

weird draft

#

no lockdown at all

#

mirana/invoker/kunkka/tinker/bat

#

so all they had was a bat lasso

manic prawn
stone geode
#

spirit cooked draft again

jolly crane
#

dunno

#

i fear theres not much protecting the lina

#

that can get jumped by 3 different heroes

stone geode
#

im not a fan either

jolly crane
#

but theyre gonna win the lanes pretty heavily

stone geode
#

mars, SK get on top of them and tinker not going to do enough

jolly crane
#

this is very much a "we win lanes and play with a lead" draft

#

putting nouns on the backfoot so they cant really find the initiations

#

and then itemize around the lina

#

get some auras up on doom, force staff/lotus/glimmer on tinker and rubick

stone geode
#

you lose highground push and its joever

jolly crane
#

ehh

#

tinker is strong in hg push

#

and lina can attack from far away

#

but this draft is just

#

"we shit on you in lane so hard you gg by minute 20"

#

cuz they drafted almost the exact same lanes

#

for nouns

stone geode
#

I like nouns draft and gameplan more

jolly crane
#

treant+luna, snap+x

#

and doom getting harpy

#

was a big mistake as well

#

shouldnt happen against doom, but sometimes it does

#

and that straightup loses you the lane

#

larl feels super uncomfortable on this bat, idk

#

hes been running around for 3 minutes now not using lasso

#

despite having an invis rune

#

and having his team set shit up for him

stone geode
#

hard game now

#

this is about what I expected, lose 1 teamfight to mars SK and game is gone

stray yew
#

NA powerhouse

jolly crane
#

imo that blink rush on bat was a big mistake as well

#

he has no hero to rotate with

#

to get kills

#

jsut gets bots into bkb

#

spread the map

stone geode
#

weak last pick

jolly crane
#

pick was good imo

stray yew
#

its just spirit

jolly crane
#

bat destroyed the sk mid

#

bkb timings will be big for spirit

stray yew
#

games are too quick/early 5 man meta

stone geode
#

yeah but now sk is 3k ahead of him and bat is useless

jolly crane
#

but its another 2-3mins out

stray yew
#

they usually ramp when its lategame shit

jolly crane
#

well the bat is useless cuz blink is his only item

#

and he has no hero to roam with

stray yew
#

spirit is good aurora

jolly crane
#

the only hero he can roam with to get quick kills is the lina

#

and you dont want your pos 1+2 roaming for kills minute 13

#

and you aint roaming with a pos4 tinker or pos5 rubick

stray yew
#

ye pos4 tinker

#

is so anti mira imo

#

he's mk or willow

#

sth that roams and makes sth happen

#

not afk stand behind support

jolly crane
#

ye

#

and its the secojd time

#

hes playing it too

stray yew
#

even snap

jolly crane
#

but ye idk

stray yew
#

idk just something that makes something happen on the map

stone geode
#

spirit often have weird bad drafts

#

and just lose because of that

stray yew
#

spirit can get away with bad drafts and so can falcons

jolly crane
#

a hero that can play with larl

stray yew
#

and liquid

#

because their players are just better on avg

jolly crane
#

but they draft tinker first phase

#

wcyd

stray yew
#

and the longer game goes spirit gains win percentage

stone geode
#

doom tinker first pick

stray yew
#

always

jolly crane
#

well they completely crushed the offlane

stone geode
#

6-0 group into LB

stray yew
#

their lategame is best from all the teams

stone geode
stray yew
#

they havent lost this game yet

#

calm down

#

and the longer the game goes

jolly crane
#

ye

stray yew
#

the better their odds are

#

if the game is even remotely even

jolly crane
#

nouns lategame decisionmaking is way worse

stone geode
#

well not with this draft I dont think

jolly crane
#

nah

#

they get triple bkb

stone geode
#

I give luna the advantage

jolly crane
#

and nouns has no play for the next 15 minutes

stray yew
#

idc im taking spirit in 45 minute vs any team in even game

#

maybe besides falcons

jolly crane
#

spirit is doing

#

the spirit thing again

#

where they give up solo kills

#

across the map

#

but theyre spread so well

#

that they dont lose networth

#

by farming neutrals properly

#

its the spirit special

stray yew
#

i mean this luna

#

isnt farmed

#

imo

jolly crane
#

when the game is 6-20 and they still have even networth

#

ye they crushed luna on lane

#

doom got harpy at level 2

stray yew
#

i guess lina farms fast too

jolly crane
#

ye

stone geode
#

you think lina can solo the game?

jolly crane
#

and luna is forced into an early bkb

#

instead of manta

stray yew
#

they have doom

#

and they have barely any save

stone geode
#

because I dont think bat is going to do much in this game

stray yew
#

their only save is snap aghs

jolly crane
#

the bat disrupts the teamfight

stray yew
#

idk if he's going it

jolly crane
#

thats why i think blink was wrong choice

#

cuz hed farm faster with bots

#

and be more annoying in lategame too

#

this mars isnt getting anything done either

stray yew
#

tactical feed

#

my verdict is nouns will choke

#

and get 2-1'd

stone geode
#

I hope so

#

I dont want spirit LB

stray yew
#

idk what miposhka is doing

#

unless they changed this

#

but you can see someone is picking up lkotuses through fog

jolly crane
#

ye

stray yew
#

coz you can just click fountain and see the buff changing