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hero starts with 1k hp
its just one thats hard to exploit
especially in pubs
and as a support player ive just always hated playing against morphs
or tinkers
or arc wardens
tinker and arc warden arent even half of what they used to be
i didnt know that morph can morph into rubick and then use the spell he has stolen
thats funny aff
tinker ever since he cant refresh blink dagger with ult
ye
its a lot less grating to play into
tiny and morph are still
"guess im dead" in midgame
if you run into them
tiny is rough but also isnt
coz most people playing tiny
are braindamaged
so they run alone 24/7
and as a pos4 playeri t just feels so unbelievably pointless to get really good harrass going against a morph safelane
so you can pick them off
and once you kill them once or twice its joever
they stop oneshotting people
morph kinda doesnt care cuz of how efficient regen is on him
ye
but GL
getting your pos3 to do that
when its not proplay
you think your pos3 melee hero player is gonna pull bigcamp while you keep harrassing the morph under the tower so he cant lasthit?
whenever i play 4 or 5
i win lane by buying more blue sticks than enemy support
so cringe
pmuch ye
its just a regen battle
and some heroes have very efficient regen
its why heroes like ench are so strong
free heals
ench has pure dmg nuke too
ench is one of more stupid heroes in recent 5 years
morph, ench, willow
together with tiny
at least willow got nerfed
i still dont think
not playing it anymore is good
its still the most disruptive support
that goes super well with any blink pos3
i think id rather play sv willow than hoodwink tho
fair
problem with hood in proplay is that i always think it takes away too much farm from other heroes
you kinda dont want to play supports that get a lot of killing blows
or can clear camps very easily, cuz it drains youre cores
imo hood is a typical "win more" hero, thats not that great when you play from behind
cuz the hero has 1 skill
not a fan of this spirit draft

Treads Seer guess jakiro gets greaves for team
kick yatoro for this?
a player ask me how could i write so gud on map
i told him its practice
since i cant type on channel

idk
feels like
sk just doesnt do shit
this rdesign focus on caustic/sandstorm
is the worst thing theyve ever done to a hero, imo
sk doesnt do shit and then comes the game where he drops sandstorm and just face tanks 5 people
sk strength is so backloaded
just abuse pipe
idk, i just dont like it
was my fav hero
but zero ways to boost burrowstrike
which is the most interesting skill in the kit
stomped
nerf tiny pls
no double games tomorrow at least
Surely spirit don’t do a 2023 move and get knocked out insta 
(Not out of riyadh specifically ik they won that)
dont u like one drop one kill?

tiny enjoyer
i must say this hero is broken
i guess need edition would nerf his dmg of throw and bring back some mana recover
11 am games 
actually good games by BB
this mans cant hit his requiem on aegis
what a read on those ancients
TB 
how does tiny get through bans so often
winning them both games
winrate is sub 50%, but in the games tiny looses he still looks like the best hero
cuz its a win-more hero. if you shut him down early, hes annoying to play into but not super powerful
and he does need quite a bit to have kill potential against cores
played against him mid recently, guy rushed phylactery and almost 1-shot me with each toss
i mean if you rotate just 1 support
thats barely a gank
but ye
fuck tiny
regardless
and primal beast
pos 6 invoker
farming this much on the veno
is gonna either win or lose them the game
im leaning towards lose
other cores are behind quite a bit
pango died a few times and invoker is just pos4 now
its just the same shit as the hood 4
its a support thats farming by clearing neutrals
and getting lanecreeps easily, shoving waves instead of letting them come closer
and that messes with the farming patterns a lot
and you end up cucking your cores
no damage on og
well
was a 4v5 fight
cuz veno was cliffed
with their auras

no pipe no greaves in that fight
this injoker is a creep again
think itd be fine if their pos3 wasnt useless both games imo
dunno if weve seen a doom yet
theres one
just not a cohesive draft at all imo, which i feel is hat invo needs? idk
i think invo pairs well with good teamfighters and supports like phoenix
yeah both og losses didnt look too close
but this is just
such bad play like
why do you even song there
just silence him when he walks uphill?
instead you give him time to react and for the team to counter position/tp in etc.
probably too far ahead to lose still
nah
they just got the aegis twice but
oh you meant psg too far ahead, yeah
idk how they lost rosh twice tbh
morph playing like hes ahead
ye
idk
just feels like
wex invoker just doesnt do shit
map is too big/theres too uch farm on the map
to play invoker in a way that wants to roam and gank a lot
with just vessel+coldsnap
still feel this was just
bad midgame performance by whisper
in both losses
like idk
havent seen the doom all game
both pos 2 and 3 0 impact both games
radiance doom
think the invo is doing decently but like
that gameplay is supposed to make space
for other people on the team
then you end up with ceb being a farmed veno
but getting cliffed in the most important teamfight
and no forcestaff on the team
same this game
mageslayer hood
no force against naga/beastmaster

top6 eu again 
Naga song strong this game
feels like almost every game is super stompy nowadays, idk
in midgame you almost always have one mid player having like half the networth of the other one
same for pos3
Could be cuz of the nature of the heroes that are good idk
Snowbally
They should have banned naga
P sure this guy has like 1 really sick hero and its naga
And idk ill never believe in troll warlord in my life this hero is bad
think he has void, morph and TA
that he plays often
troll has been good into ursa in the games ive seen
panda seems really low impact in this patch, idk
I am pretty sure this hero never wins because of itself and it could be replaced by any carry and still win the game
ye, wasnt sure about the first one
death i guess
but without overpower he cant stack really
But ye they probably should have learned after game 2 that you shouldn’t let ppl have sk + naga
Game 2 there was sk naga + centaur too lol
Mid fight just press song and get perfect re-engage
Basically can’t win team fights whatsoever unless you destroy naga in lane and never let her farm which is impossible if you wanna play effectively
You end up with 3 tanky heroes you’re not gonna insta kill and then you just lose to song + stun into 2 minimum
feels like triple tanky core atm is just winning you games
just run at the enemy
none of that pango rolling around while not doing much to tank damage shit
just run at enemy, be unburstable
why does topson have gleipnir in quickbuy
The catch is nice, but 5k for that seems to much
very big improvement from groups for bb
its joever for bb
I sucesfully jinxed then 

Morphling 

rigged
MENA team winning MENA tournament
not fighting with their strongest hero cuz beastmaster still farming botlane

ye but he had aghs
at that point
hes strongest hero on the map
even if hes 2k networth behind teh rest
rosh is good
still dont see them taking this idk
brood pos1 is just
not even comparable to CK
only good for killing the supports in this game
ck wont have a game lategame
too much random aoe
his bkb is over and he is dead
its close in lategame
ye but i dont see quest getting there
maybe falcons a lil bit better because doom
nah chen is ok lategame now even
especially against BM
coz you just build braindead auras
bm just clears his creeps without trying
ye this is over
this beast isnt doing anything
hero is so hit or miss idk why
i mean beastmaster
not primal
that was CRAZY good spell casting from quest
see how much chen kept them in fight 
just auras
being busted
he has some buff where you get more healing
that was about worst place to take a fight
small bridge into pango/bara/jakiro
half of me wants quest to win so its kinda shitshow that they didnt make TI
its kinda insane if they win entire tournament or at least make top 3 and you realise they dont make TI

bara with aghs
even then its ok
coz chances are your carry was getting it in the 1st place anyway
it interacts with lotus too
that you reflect it
i odnt understand how do they get only supports dying there
insane read by quest tbh
i dont think malrine was showing bot yet
but they already were going on them
unless he has some aura item and they saw aura on creeps
coz even if you're smoked you see auras like ac/arcane boots etc
jakiro aghs was so good
ck just cooked
aaaaaaand game just resets
back to waiting for rosh

or at least for double doom
i think doom lategame is too good
but maybe they roll the dice minute 60
get 3x mirror shields

enjoy that
ck lategame 
gg by quest
close
always has been, ye
value of the hero is that you turn the 5v5 into a 4v5
but in lategame thats a 3v5 possibly
or having 2 fights back to back after buybacks are being used, where both are 4v5
and that just wins games
maybe
very interesting match up both Teams kinda struggled this year and are likely to throw mid game

idk, is razor tiny greedy?
nyx/beast lane was
and they got totally exposed
mid lane idk how that lane goes i think tiny should be winning on lhs because he has more damage
but quin had like 10cs/5 denies more
w/e he just gets aghs and never ever dies on ursa
this nyx would need to get a solo kill or two somewwhere on the map
I was thinking, did they remove mangos
nah
but there is limited resource of them in shop
all the regen consumables you have finite of
when you start game you have like
18 tangos/4 clarities/3 mangos
ok salves maybe you have infinite of
and then they replenish overtime
I just dont remember seeing a mango used for ages
supports buy them early on/sf
and sometimes when people take shovel as neutral
but other than that dead meme
they couldnt kill cm

for so long
liquid so impatient
hold 1 rax for 2 minutes on hg
'guys we are winning now we can win'
leave highground lose 3 lose game

2 ez for gg
liquid when match containts word 'final'
avg performance

i do agree that pipe/aura meta came in clutch for gaming
they love it
dominating lanes/snowballing with auras/early ish game heroes
ye needed rapier on snap or sth
did liquid just play a morphling support?
I just tuned in and briefly saw boxi on the hero
ye people play it because of new facet

more liquid vs gg? 
thats big throw
rosh + aghanim on t roll is their only chance
they need aoe dispel for crimson 
i know how this finals go

falcons doing legit what gg did last time around
stomp entire year
surely it doesnt go like yesterday or like all of last year
come to riyadh
and go out 3rd
pretty much what gaimin did last year
ye idk they got kinda shitstomped yday
by gg
2x 20 minute stomps
wasnt ever close
didnt look good in the liquid series either
did quinn at least hit nisha with a "can you play a real hero?"
kinda nothing happened in this game besides mid brawl
and they're 6k ahead

he died through regen on pango
doesnt the spider poison shit
lolquid
reduce hp regen tho?
standing in webs does with facet
ah
makes sense
but ye idk
already seems over ngl
33 on zoo hero
and a farmed spoder
oh yeah sorry
cant believe the quas wex injoker isnt pos 4
tide is kinda shit hero imo
my brain is
not good
the invo does nothing this game tbf
dont think its a good pick at all
but it does counter the tide a bit
cuz you can counter engage the ravage
thats some absolute peak gaming coming from gladiators
ace is h aving time of his life
that q/w invoker is god tier vs this pango
he cant ever get roll off
because cold snap
ye but thats gonna stop when he gets blink and initiates from outside invo range
i just dont see what liquid have
vs chen creeps, bm zoo and spiders
will there be anything to fight for is the question
when they're 10-15k ahead minute 20
ye
hitting your t2s/t3s with pipe/aegis
this is crazy gaimin patch
well sure but like
maybe minus tide
it must be sth within their playstyles
and they didnt even win lanes
that gg counters liquid
or they in their head somehow
they surely expected morph/tide to bgeat brood/chen
whats the win condition
but they got bodied
their draft idea was
i think
tide wins lane/stomps even
and h can frontline for them
coz what can you do
if he is big
roar him?
yeah but
ye
and chen with regen aura+creep
so like
idk
if they get a vhoul
you have no regen on that lane
so that seems like a very weak wincon
is this going to be a 3-0 in 90 mins
its actually hilarious
and 0 of them were longer than 15 minutes really
how pango is still this bugged
but also still always good
but ye idk, these 2 supports just dont do shit if the lane doesnt go well
this is looking like bunch of top 1000 immortals playing into some divine 1 stack
almost 1k/minute lead
the plan was to like
and hope it works
lane cm into chen
and morph into jakiro
and then they didnt
and just kept lanes like that
??
and even if you swap
historically
they swap again as well
coz you kill boars
they just got outplayhed
its just a bunch of "On paper this works" stuff but in reality it kinda doesnt
the tide pick is the least problem in all of this
if you draft a gimmicky pos4 morph who only does 1 thing
you need the rest of your draft to be a bit more flexible
but all of their hero picks do exactly 1 thing, its super one-dimensional and predictable
and that just doesnt work against a team like GG
monkey morph just flex out the wazoo
and they flexed themselves
into a 10 min loss
straightup
if i look at this draft
i feel
you swap morph to pos1 and monkey 4
and its a better game
monkey4 is shit into chen but
monke avoids the deathball
its the classic antimage pick, you dont even have manta but already losing racks
monkey as a hero should be winning lane
not a good hero when you lose lane
also his game is rly hard when your tide is super squishy


call it
legit used everything
he didnt even die
they called
liquid should try going all in lanes
see what happens
if they lose a game where minute 20 its 0 nw lead
then gg no counterplay 
9k with alch in the game is alright
mostly worried about bkb timings on GG
will be nasty for liquid to deal with
its joever
that was a classic dyrachyo moment and then somehow it wasnt
if liquid reverse sweep ill tattoo the logo on my forehead
liquid is broken
they cant even play
seems like liquids best draft so far, surely this is their game
liquid gold lead
tiny is such a dumb hero
clip it
this series is not even in the same universe
could be bo20 and liquid doesnt win a game
falcons quest was the best series I watched iirc
idk
maybe im like
biased or smth but
all 3 games felt like outdrafts
fundamentally
this game is closest
to having a good liquid draft
getting tiny and bm
but i still think their support drafting is super one dimensional
they just dont have any damage to kill anything with their support drafts
in any game
as soon as gg gets pipe its over
its just
such reactionary support drafting i feel?
you see what GG have, you look at liquid and go "yeah, makes sense" but its not cohesive or smth they can use to take control and lead the game
ye
this was probably
the least enjoyable dota tournament ive watched in a longass time
every series just stomp after stomp
very same~y meta
tons of technical issues, annoying playin/group stage
tech issues and bad formats is a trend for all games at ewc
I was about to look up when games were played today
finals so bad I forgot it happened
What're your ranks, guys?
we're rogue players, so i assume we're all >8k
(jk i'm 6k)
I'm a rogue player, ofc I play Riki as 5
Haha nice mmr btw
I'm 4k. Tired of ppl going Sven 5 cuz they see their streamer do that
riki 5 player shouldn't complain about sven 5 😄
Haha I was kidding 😆
Is it
In a lot of these games you have few kills/assists, maybe they were all stomps and had minimal action or you play mostly for yourself/farming until the game is just already lost
Like a game where you end at 5 kills and 6 assist with 12 deaths. This tells me you did almost nothing for most of the game and perhaps scored a few kills/assist when they were diving fountain
that game in picking
they become to argue
like the mid play bad last game and another teammate argue with him
then they trolled
i can do nothing
yea i trust that
Tip is to avoid the bad players
So you dont have to play with them again
Avoid function is ur best friend in dota

tru
but just losing, and i advantage in lane, also i try my best to kill every enemy
nice looking stat and carry but still lose is kinda

from my experience, gaben giveth and gaben taketh away
sometimes you will get a chain of terrible teammates
i recently had a 12 win streak where every1 in every game was a normal functioning human being
then 4 games in a row i get literal throwers
like legit raging in picking phase or in the first 3 minutes of the game
Waiting 3 weeks for valve to fix input lag, game is unplayable 
7.37 Come
Since patch 7.36 affected basically every hero in the game, it's no surprise that 7.37 is mostly focused on getting the playing field leveled again. A bunch of heroes are getting new innates and facets, and there's even a rework of Medusa. 7.37 also includes more informative tooltips, which should give you a better moment-to-moment understanding...
did anyone watch snow ruyi today? First series was at 4am now it's nearly 5pm and they just started the 4th series of the day
tried finally going into ranked in dota2, no one says picks or anything they just go to whatever lane, i somehow end up as pos1
enemy team is boosting, trashtalks the entire time, our team is trolling, buying wards and placing them next to enemy tower
yeah...
it didnt say somehow i checked everywhere
i went for the all pick ranked not the role queue
so like the old moba style ig where everyone says in chat what they wanna do or flex
afaik ranked is always with role queue 
unless they changed smth in the last like 5months
or maybe thats just the verified ranked
and you played the shitter one
you can play role q or "normal", but pretty sure everyone plays role q, except people that got banned from role q for griefing
ye
I thought the normal was to play "classic" ranked lol
Maybe thats why my experience was so shit
Got queues with shitheads who were boosting
Nah definitely role queue

Just as the wow expansion launches
10 days before TI too 
Not going to be in captains mode is it
🍵 👁️ 🕐
Xg vs GG should be hype
oh yeah
suddenly TI
the fuck is xinq doing
on the pos4 timber
having some farm as quinn
the timezone turn speed save on the replay
ye
idk if its cuz im just busy with other games and stuff that i barely paid attention to it
or just overall lack of promotion
I barely pay attention myself, not even sure where i saw that it was starting
It has a ton of viewers for some reason tho
ame made that aoe focusfire WR work tho
Group stage usually doesnt gather 300k
They did
ah nice
was sick in teamfights before already
looks like this is the gleipnir TI
makes sense since its in denmark
they already nerfed it again as well still really good tho
ye
i meanb before people called it shit
cuz WR was exlcusively picked as this single-target killer
23cabbage
but in the right situations it was always really sick
Ye they got stomped that game
they also called heal tinker shit "pushes waves, it sucks", meanwhile you can just 2v5 in march doesnt matter that you push
ye
cant wait for 3rd TI for team spirit
ye, it was really hard to call before and with the way some teams showed up today it gets even harder
XG vs XG Team 2 finals surely
morph 
both I guess, valve doesn't do shit for the game for years, ppl lose interest
23cabbage 
15 min gg
loosing in 60 sec after a 60 min pause kinda killed their mental I guess
what is this game
aint no way falcons win this game

minalbased in dota thread
tbh I never been so unhyped by TI but still watching from afar, as a tradition
i am pro doto player trust

this is also best format we've had
instant lock shadow fiend
it cant be worse than TI3 anyway
TI3 was the worst ever til this day
not 3
4
Im cooked
TI4 was bad
you mean format or TI as a whole
wait saksa does it again, just appears in a team when its TI after being absent all season
wasnt gunnar mid before
still is
oh wait nvm
they swapped
copy is mid now ye
would be funny af if spirit goes 6-0 in groups, then loses this bo3 to still end up in lower bracket

the fucking
USA spamming in chat

I dont think the entire NA region has 5 US players combined
ye
super cringe casting again as well
him taking that arrow did absolutely nothing for the teamfight after
spirit just trolled and decided to fight 4v4 uphill with no vision and a kunkka with 0 mana
gg
ye
luna kills base now
no buyback on yatoro
its been a while since ive seen an invoker actually have impact in a game
this was another one that didnt really have much
topson had some good games this tournament
solo core lineup with a potm
bit too cute of a draft from spirit imo
with no lockdown at all
and fly did some major work on the treant with his overgrowths
1 game
but id rather say
spirit lost
weird draft
no lockdown at all
mirana/invoker/kunkka/tinker/bat
so all they had was a bat lasso
LELIS BRASIL #1 CARALHO
spirit cooked draft again
dunno
i fear theres not much protecting the lina
that can get jumped by 3 different heroes
im not a fan either
but theyre gonna win the lanes pretty heavily
mars, SK get on top of them and tinker not going to do enough
this is very much a "we win lanes and play with a lead" draft
putting nouns on the backfoot so they cant really find the initiations
and then itemize around the lina
get some auras up on doom, force staff/lotus/glimmer on tinker and rubick
you lose highground push and its joever
ehh
tinker is strong in hg push
and lina can attack from far away
but this draft is just
"we shit on you in lane so hard you gg by minute 20"
cuz they drafted almost the exact same lanes
for nouns
I like nouns draft and gameplan more
treant+luna, snap+x
and doom getting harpy
was a big mistake as well
shouldnt happen against doom, but sometimes it does
and that straightup loses you the lane
larl feels super uncomfortable on this bat, idk
hes been running around for 3 minutes now not using lasso
despite having an invis rune
and having his team set shit up for him
hard game now
this is about what I expected, lose 1 teamfight to mars SK and game is gone
NA powerhouse
imo that blink rush on bat was a big mistake as well
he has no hero to rotate with
to get kills
jsut gets bots into bkb
spread the map
weak last pick
pick was good imo
its just spirit
games are too quick/early 5 man meta
yeah but now sk is 3k ahead of him and bat is useless
but its another 2-3mins out
they usually ramp when its lategame shit
spirit is good aurora
the only hero he can roam with to get quick kills is the lina
and you dont want your pos 1+2 roaming for kills minute 13
and you aint roaming with a pos4 tinker or pos5 rubick
ye pos4 tinker
is so anti mira imo
he's mk or willow
sth that roams and makes sth happen
not afk stand behind support
even snap
but ye idk
idk just something that makes something happen on the map
spirit can get away with bad drafts and so can falcons
a hero that can play with larl
and the longer game goes spirit gains win percentage
doom tinker first pick
always
well they completely crushed the offlane
6-0 group into LB
their lategame is best from all the teams

ye
nouns lategame decisionmaking is way worse
well not with this draft I dont think
I give luna the advantage
and nouns has no play for the next 15 minutes
spirit is doing
the spirit thing again
where they give up solo kills
across the map
but theyre spread so well
that they dont lose networth
by farming neutrals properly
its the spirit special
when the game is 6-20 and they still have even networth
ye they crushed luna on lane
doom got harpy at level 2

i guess lina farms fast too
ye
you think lina can solo the game?
because I dont think bat is going to do much in this game
their only save is snap aghs
the bat disrupts the teamfight
idk if he's going it
thats why i think blink was wrong choice
cuz hed farm faster with bots
and be more annoying in lategame too
this mars isnt getting anything done either
idk what miposhka is doing
unless they changed this
but you can see someone is picking up lkotuses through fog
ye
coz you can just click fountain and see the buff changing




Liquid double throws in the series





