Early on at least
#DotA
manic ermine
jolly crane
secret
whendidsecretthrowlast
crystalis playing an entire fight with naix without pressing infest once
with aghs
not to save his sandking, not to disable enemy troll
crazy throw/misplay
thorny fiber
gamer move
jolly crane
was actually sad to watch
they lose that fight
they buy back
push again
die again
lose game
thorny fiber
it was more of a bad strat call
than crystalis fault
imo
not sure why they were forcing it so hard
stray yew
every secret game is like that
they tease you they can win
but they do some dumb shit to lose
jolly crane
than crystalis fault
idk
they win that very first highground push already
if crystalis just presses buttons
worn drift
I am bad at the game bt crystalis isn't good enough to keep up with most carries rn
and having a bad pos 1 means you cant win
at least not consistently
this guys been shit for years lol
craggy pivot
that series going to game 3 was criminal already making the comback from 1% dota+
jolly crane
watching nigma play is like
watching a car accident. cant look away but god does it look awful
rugged cipher
im interested how their org stays afloat unless someone launders money through them
but i guess only 2 players are on payroll as the otehr 3 are co-owners
rugged cipher
kky dont know when to retire just like s4
stray yew
kuroky i have no idea
bt at least hearing s4 on gorgc and in some interviews guy seems very articulate + knowledgable about the game
actually most well spoken pro player when it comes to explaining what should happen in a game/what should the gameplan be
so i can respect that
he should move to talent/analyst/coach role i think
is my point
with s4
for sure
rugged cipher
would prolly thrive in a coach role indeed but keeps playing pro even when skill deteriorated
stray yew
i wont rly blame kuro/s4 tho
they've probably been around in dota 1 times where you made 0 money
so ofc they wont let go now when they finally make bank
its the polish vp situation all over again 
at least with nigma
coz they still sometimes get pity invites
rugged cipher
how do kuro even make bank now
only thing they earned money on was pity riyadh invite
in like last 4 years
rugged cipher
he is owner and co-founder isnt he the one paying unless saudi money
stray yew
just big contract
rugged cipher
and sponsors should shy away since they have like 0 exposure from attending big events
but yeah i guess them all still getting big salaries somehow is the only explanation that the rest of the guys gave up and keeps playing with friends
jolly crane
i think no player in that team really has to worry about money methinks.
sumail, miracle, kuro and gh definitely dont
i also think kuro gets a lot of unnecessary hate
hes definitely not playing great but at this point people go "LMAO KURO" for every death, even though most of his deaths are just typical pos5 smoke-breaks or sacrifices to let his cores survive or create space
hes just not capable of carrying game like someone like seleri or miposhka
jolly crane
the really gotta fix the tech issues tho, watching 10fps stream is not it
jolly crane
didnt realize that shopify failed to qualify for riyadh
cuz NA only had 1 closed qualifier spot and SA had 2
no secret, nigma or shopify is kinda hilarious
stone geode
why, its washed up teams that barely participate in playoffs
if they get somewhere at all
worn drift
man they really want this to be a thing
and it probably will be
just mars arena a carry and drop this shit on them
stray yew
i think its biggest issue is it is fighting with chronosphere
so unless its turbo broken you wont change peoples mind to play it
support void isnt a thing because his skills are just too useless as support
dilate got nerfed 500 times over past 20 patches
(rightfully so dont get me wrong)
bash might not exist for a support void
and if you want a buffing/enhancing support you just go io/even marci
also time zone still has decently big cd
shorter than chrono but still long
worn drift
Ye dont think the hero is a good support but might be playable as some tanky aura guy pos 3
Just tank up, buy aghs
I think issue is you can still use mobility spells and shit like that in the zone
If they made it so the zone disabled all mobility i think it would be immediately broken as fuck
thorny fiber
Did they release a new build?
stone geode
is it double stage playoff thing like last time?
rugged cipher
gorc won open qualies 
but yeah seems like there arent a lot of teams seeing how navi junior and stuff get direct invites to qual
wait gorc actually got some insane players in his team what is this
actually going to ti
what the fuck is this format for quals
jolly crane
same as for riyadh
higher div teams start in upper bracket, open qual/lower div teams in lower
rugged cipher
ye still feels bad moment i get nigma for example got higher status due to the names and got a higher "invite spot" but they have done hat since last TI, they won a mena qualifier with 4 teams
the rest is just invited to tourneys and getting fisted in all groups
dont think it warrants them an extra life but it is what it is
jolly crane
ye i mean
its like shopify, kinda
they win over all the noname low div teams
but never make it through quals
unless NA gets 2 spots
but i think they mostly got gapped by nouns this season
rugged cipher
i dont understand the 2 SA qual spots either and then tehy have 8 open qualis teams
in their qual but i guess the top teams are so much better than bottom so it doesnt rly matter where the bottoms come from
stray yew
i dont understand the 2 SA qual spots either and then tehy have 8 open qualis te...
think its a little bit based on region performance and boom was doing quite well especially in last tourney
but ye its a meme
in ideal world we dont have regional quals but they invite 16-18-20-24 teams from entire world and they battle for the invitations
but we dont get that for obvious reasons
stray yew
what the fuck is this format for quals
its what it used to be when dpc was a thing too
copy pasted
div 1 teams in upper bracket/div 2 teams start in LB
+/- something like that
rugged cipher
Ye but teams are not in div 1 or 2
rugged cipher
Just feels a bit unfair for lesser know teams in some hidden rank
jolly crane
ti china quali gonna be interesting
azure ray, g2 ig, lgd and team turtle
but lgd and team turtle are gonna meet in LB tomorrow already
stray yew
what stream is it?
i cant seem to find it in dota section 
or is it done already
oh i see it now
its just pgl tourney
it recommended me polish streams on top for some reason wtf
jolly crane
its just pgl tourney
TI13 qualifiers
open qualifiers are going on atm
some big matches in china tmrw as well
LGD vs team turtle (somnus team)
jolly crane
ye
stray yew
coz it was on pgl stream
jolly crane
dont think valve would work with ESL at this point
stray yew
actually weird to see shopify bounce back
wonder if they got their shit together after failing riyadh
or they are now like ye we disbanding anyway w/e
so they send it
jolly crane
ye i mean
i think they probably are going hard at this
missing TI would be massive
craggy pivot
nouns somewhat struggeled first 2 rounds of the qual so surely that means sr can win this time
craggy pivot
spoke to soon 
jolly crane
ye
tbf idk how easy itll be for SR to push highground tho
venge arcana so pretty
and i always have faith in rtz to just throw the game
craggy pivot
morph just not a hero rn and copy ember looks rough
jolly crane
pango is still a massive pain imo
and pos3 venge being back is cool too, that hero just does so much in lategame fights
but i also just straightup think that morphing the wyvern is a mistake
stray yew
idk if you morph anything this game rly
wyvern isnt bad tbh
but only to tag ursa once
and kite him
jolly crane
team turtle too strong
thorny fiber
0% chance?
craggy pivot
team zero
craggy pivot
6am games and I want to watch the NA final as well
surely nouns 3-0s spotify and I can still sleep a few hours
jolly crane
oh boy
this aint looking too hot for SR
all these melee carries playing gleipnir now 
not happy that tinker seemy pretty playable
60% item cdr seems nutty
kanda has the same cdr as rearm pmuch
so every laser cast has kanda dmg bonus
worn drift
this 3-0 might be nail in the coffin for rtz's career
jolly crane
watching this is just
idk
its legit
tier3 dota
bulba+rtz retirement would be able to revitalize the NA region ig
idk, they just need a different gameplan i feel
plan is always the same
have rtz farm
but ive never seen this man carry a game in the last 5 years
play against triple melee carry core
buy mjolnir instead of gleipnir
good play by rtz 
time to make a cross in the calendar
lose fight despite aegis
idk what this weaver support is supposed to be doing either
one side has phoenix+willow
other side clock+weaver
craggy pivot
have shopify done anything with a aegis this series
jolly crane
no
lose teamfights anyway
hes not hitting any Qs either
in these fights
idk
honestly believe
if rtz went gleipnir
theyd have a much better chance
but they have no lockdown
if they get engaged on
just think its funny that everybody was permablaming saberlight in that team
and now hes gone, and they perform even worse
craggy pivot
dont like mjolnir in general, only thing I like it for is putting it on illusions to farm more
jolly crane
i dont mind mjolnir but like
not if you play into tiny/monkey
where the root is giga value
craggy pivot
copy with brooch vs muerta as well
jolly crane
ye
yopaj has no confidence
on this pango
theyre so heistant to do anything
its really hurting them
this is the difference
yuma sees rtz for half a second and just goes
yopaj thinks 3 seconds on whether he should roll or not
also like how disciplined nouns are playing, really not risking anything when pushing HG. probasbly the team with the most hg-push respect ive seen so far
nouns gonna find another wraparound on radiant rosh, 3rd time this happens
thats also just a coach failure like... this happened both previous games, SR set up to do radiant rosh, and they get smoked with a wraparound twice. and it happens a third time
craggy pivot
was hoping for a close series like ryad, but guess I take the nouns win
jolly crane
dunno if ill be able to stay awake until CN qualifiers finish tho
yuma with 10k gold in the bag
craggy pivot
holy the tree throws
jolly crane
nice respect at the end from SR 
worn drift
ye
jolly crane
lelis absolute MVP in these games
last game was one of the best tusk plays ive seen in a long time
wonder who the common denominator is in all those years of shopify teams
craggy pivot
jolly crane
the funniest part now woudl be if saberlight would qualify with gorp in EU
craggy pivot
unlikely sadly
esp with the format, bald having to start lower bracket and play quest or entity first
craggy pivot
didn't really watch any of the CN games, expected ar and g2 before it started, but that cant happen anymore
jolly crane
ye
team turtle is
old LGD basically
after they decided to not pay the players
maybe, chalice, yang
maybe was just smurfing on everybody so far
man still has it
even made SF look good
stone geode
https://i.imgur.com/2ZZCs0O.png
bro what do you mean rank 1 star player
hes been washed for ages
nts tinker
jolly crane
NTS vs somnus
we eating good today
i want both teams to qualify but
wcyd
team turtle too stronk
jolly crane
still find it funny how in the last like 2-3 years
somnus was the only mid to play OD somewhat regularly in mid
and always made it work
but ye, NTS tinker again 
stone geode
overlay not updated for facets, unluck
wait, is chalice pos1 and playing dk or is that a lane swap
jolly crane
chalice is pos1 now ye
stone geode
ka le
jolly crane
the neutral denies
are strong this game
not looking forward to tinker being meta again
but this 60% cdr on items seems kinda silly strong
stone geode
im not even sure whats been done to him
no missile, march is back, item reset cut from ulti
jolly crane
he has a really nice facet and his innate is broken imo
innate gives 1% cdr per 3int, up to 60%
so at 180int, which really isnt hard, he gets 60% cdr
stacks with octarine
so you get reduced cd on arcane blink/khanda
(obviously needs a lot of gold for that, but that aint difficult)
you basically have the same khanda cd as your rearm, so every laser cast has khanda bonusdam
with ~3sec cd arcane blink
bkb ends up having like 30sec CD as well
stone geode
60 min game incoming
jolly crane
previous one was a long one as well
but tinker kinda peaks at around 40
clown game
somnus
wtf
how
stone geode
that looked so over
stone geode
I was about to say its joever
the dk still picked poison facet
I guess they wanted to push? fire got buffed a few times but still not worth I guess
stone geode
that was a bad fight
jolly crane
ye
no bkb before blink
common mistake sadly
even in progames
khanda tinker is dumb imo
with that cdr
jolly crane
ye
tbf
neither did the ench
its just a
razor vs wr and lesh vs tinker matchup
khanda tinker just does a stupid amount of dam
stone geode
yep
jolly crane
i have faith in somnus tho
jolly crane
they just got a bit too cute with the pos1 picks imo
but you also notice the difference in pos3 experience/skill
JT iis imo one of the best pos3s in the game
stray yew
wonder who the common denominator is in all those years of shopify teams
i mean yea especially when players like crit leave and have success elsewhere
also real concerning thing was that saberlight left a month ish before 2 biggest qualifiers to 2 biggest tournaments of the year
without prospect of playing anywhere
that means something must have been real bad there
jolly crane
ye
but he seems to be on good terms with other people so idk how much of that is down to him
and not issues in SR
stray yew
but ye its just disband of the team
jolly crane
cuz he was casting earlier with quinn and blitz
jolly crane
saberlight seems like a professional dude
jolly crane
not the best player but
stray yew
he wont burn bridges/flame people on stream
jolly crane
or whatever the team was ye
stray yew
dont think he ever played in secret
jolly crane
ye
TSM
azure ray getting destroyed by io+marci
io 30% hp, marci gets one set of attacks with ult off, io full hp again
stray yew
and im pretty sure its nerfed a bit
i remember playing few 2-3 man party games and we'd always play vs io-marci
before the patch
jolly crane
hmye
jolly crane
its stupid strong yeah
idk who i want to win in this match
both, kinda
drums into nullifier
stone geode
wonder why they arent doing bo5 for the 2nd qual spot as well
rugged cipher
was bo3 on both just na with bo5
jolly crane
weird for sure
this is gonna be rough for AR
would be a shame if they dont maek it, but theyve also been struggling too much
g2 kinda the stronger team of the two
rugged cipher
every storm game haev looked lackluster, not seen a lot though
jolly crane
plenty of very strong storm performances in the qualifiers so far
not at all the storms fault, imo
luna is just a very passive carry and imo thats just not how you can play the game atm unless its some omega flashfarming 1 like AM
rugged cipher
i mean it looks extra bad cus there is nobody to insta kill ppl with
all fights is just him zipping/tping away
jolly crane
damn
no azure ray
but they just arent good enough. weird drafts at times and faithbian is washed as well, as much as it pains me to say it
xnova 32/33 kills attended as bane
jt 31/33
rugged cipher
Majority sea team stealin spot in ez region 
stone geode
well, nouns is 1 NA player too
jolly crane
ye but at least they have a brazilian and nicaraguan dude in there too
so its 3/5 american, pmuch
rugged cipher
so nouns won ez with random pubber at mid
rugged cipher
ye but yuma has actively been playing competative
looking at copys profile at least literally nothign almost
jolly crane
still his first TI tho
rugged cipher
any words if its a low prize pool ti again or they releaseing the battle passes
jolly crane
psure itll be low prizepool again
cuz theyre not gonna compete with saudi money anyway
stray yew
own team?
ramzes was inactive entire season till this point
i tihnk
or maybe he was active but failed to qualify everything
rugged cipher
https://liquipedia.net/dota2/L1GA_TEAM i dunno he was captaining this team at least
thorny fiber
Lelis, the alliance reject
thorny fiber
Why do people still care about rtz anyway
He was good for 2 years
almost 9 years ago or some shit
literally irrelevant dota player
stone geode
yeah, idk
jolly crane
Why do people still care about rtz anyway
Watch your mouth when you talk about NAs star player who only ever loses because people in his team are shit!!!!!
worn drift
Rtz hasn’t looked like a t1 carry since emo ?’d them in that major they got reverse swept
stray yew
they had some episodes of playing OK
dont remember whta season it was
(nowhere close to rly winning anything, just an ok top 8 playoff team)
but this is final nail to the coffin for bulba/rtz stack
worn drift
Ye time to pack it up
jolly crane
he wasnt always bad
but imo he never earned the "s tier carry" title
even back in his heydays
sprouteezy, cliffteezy
his infamous vanguard alchemist game
idk, hes always had struggles in his performance
stray yew
nah he was best player at some points i think
when he was in secret and the team was with s4
and uhm dont remember who else besides puppey
jolly crane
idk
im certainly biased against him to some degree
but i never felt like he was a T1 carry like others were at any stage of the game
stray yew
i think he changed the game a lot even year or two ago when he brought muerta carry when it was really good
and other people copied ofc
but
oh ye also id put him on my list of top 5 players to not win a TI
jolly crane
he was very good and consistent at times but then hed also have an off tournamnet
stray yew
and how i see his carreer is
he made bad decisions
when he was actually really good
he zigged when he should've zagged
for example clashing with ppd is one of these things
i think its safe to say they just didnt get along and one of them needed to go
jolly crane
ye
stray yew
once it was him and the other time it was ppd
the difference was ppd couldve succeded without him but he couldnt without him really
or other captain figure
jolly crane
but ye idk
stray yew
his 'cultural impact' if you could call it that way is quite big too, he was the 1st pub star player that made it
jolly crane
think my top5 people who never won TI would be like
stray yew
ye thing for me is
fy and maybe are same slot for me
its like a 1 person
coz they always played together
jolly crane
i think
jolly crane
fy was always super good
but he also only had 1 playstyle
and watching him and ddc together
ddc to me is one of the most underrated players of all time
no one talked about him, despite being one of the 3 players that went to every TI up to like TI8 or so
stray yew
for me its in no order zai/rtz/maybe (fy is basically in same slot)/reso
jolly crane
it was ppy, kuro and ddc
worn drift
Ame #1 for sure, guy stayed consistent his whole career and only lost at the very end cause gamba8 sold his ass
stray yew
i dont rly have particular order in that list
stray yew
when ame was on reitrement
jolly crane
Ame #1 for sure, guy stayed consistent his whole career and only lost at the ver...
ye ame is one of those people who also came back and seemd to not have lost his touch at all
somnus is in a similar boat imo. man took a year long break and came back and dumped on most of the best mid-laners who never stopped playing
but i wouldnt be surprised if hes difficult to work with, otherwise i dont get how he hasnt found his way onto a toptier team in years
or maybe he just doesnt give a fuck anymore, iirc he just wants to play with yang/chalice cuz theyre good friends and they enjoy streaming and playing other games and shit
worn drift
Ye somnus only reason od has wins in pro play in last like year 
jolly crane
ye or stuff like mid gyro
shrewd skiff
Hows dota playing currently?
Last time i played they introduced the new map
With the sidelanes and double roshan and the cube
And no one knew what to do so matches lasted for like 2 hours
thorny fiber
It feels like you can do so much with this map that it becomes overwhelming
Like technically you could be way more fluid with the gates, not exactly a thing in my bracket
Also more timers to track
stray yew
a lot of hero specific stuff when it comes to rotations though gate at least during laning
but what usually happens minute 20/27 is leading team will control enemy triangle and get their tormentor and xp rune
gates are reason why meepo is so hated i think
he can be anywhere anytime because of them
(one of good reasons recently)
jolly crane
love the playercams on some of these amateur teams
dude plays with his legs on the table
jade bramble
worn drift
https://i.imgur.com/1VagQkU.png
This just screams eastern european
thorny fiber
i love dota games
this bracket man, 5 ppl thinking they are going to be the hero
supports buying all dmg items
"i'm the winner"
could have won so many games if ppl were smart and bought items based on matchup, but nah
jolly crane
URSS old wallpaper
ye almost all of them lived in what i can only imagine USSR-era prefab housing, based on their wallpapers and general vibes of the room
craggy pivot
team 1 pos 1 doesnt fit in
jolly crane
my fam lived in one of these as well in eastern germany until i was like 10 and we moved
jolly crane
khanda is so massive tho
its like 300 extra dam each laser
basically makes your laser do almost double damage
craggy pivot
not sure why he would get it so late either didn't rly pay attention to his item buy order tho
nvm he got e blade
jolly crane
they definitely got rolled pretty hard
had to play a bit more defensively
but its tough cuz like
i also think that the reason he had to play defensively
is because they lack damage
so khanda likely wouldve fixed that
with khanda that sf dies in 3 lasers
like, they just lack damage
tinker could fix that but he plays weird items imo
craggy pivot
last fight with khanda he probably kills sf before he can ult again and the eblade seemed kinda useless
thorny fiber
Khanda seems broken
thorny fiber
I played it on bh a game and it did 16k dmg
jolly crane
you have it every laser
since the cd is the same as the casttime between laser, rearm, laser
thorny fiber
Ye
jolly crane
at least every tinekr game ive seen the last week during quals
the moment he gets khanda, he just two-shots your carry
rugged cipher
was the ui broken or did gyro just not use cheese like 5 deaths in a row
jolly crane
gyro was phoning it in i think
9pandas istn the team it used to be
its basiclaly just kiyotaka and solo
rugged cipher
only 2 players + swedenstrong i recognize in finals
jolly crane
navi getting knocked out as early as they did was a big surprise i think
rugged cipher
from tinker to am 
worn drift
Khanda seems broken
Level 25 luna with khanda is some funny shit
You beam a squishy and if they have someone next to them theres a decent chance they outright die
Because her 25 talent + 20 talent
Means both guys get hit by beam + target hit with khanda + a bunch of glaive bounces
I have a clip of me killing a hoodwink late game by just beaming her
Big khanda lover here
rugged cipher
9panda getting clapped
thorny fiber
Big khanda lover here
Seems like an overall just nice item to have
jolly crane
its also expensive
so imo its fine
its not an item you rush, unless youre dumb
more of a super lategame carry item usually
that works on a few heroes
problem imo is that on tinker rn you can basically just go arcane blink into khanda and it works
worn drift
Ye
jolly crane
since your mana situation is a lot better now
worn drift
The items it builds out of are pretty nice to build as a component earlyish
jolly crane
even without soulring
its just a nice item build on tinker because neither arcaneblink nor khanda cost you any mana
while adding a lot of mobility and damage to the kit
jolly crane
all the other items like eblade, hex etc.
just make the hero go oom
it makes tinker a lot easier to play in terms of apm
dont need 3 arms to play the hero
what are the 9p supports doing this game tho like
30min game
ET sitting at like 120gpm
casters ofc dont really talk about it at all
thorny fiber
Hard to play support into a phat AM
jolly crane
they lost the lanes hard, idk how
tbf, am is a pretty strong laner nowadays
but kotl+underlord also just isnt a very strong lane idk
imo they shouldve plaed the et+underlord
stray yew
no am is shit laner now
it used to be good
but he's trash in lane now
he has 2 facets that dont do anything in lane
and also they took away slow part when you're on 0 mana from his q
worn drift
https://i.imgur.com/JvGXIQj.png
Wait
Kotl having that nw is INSANE
That hero is disgusting at hitting creeps lmfao wtf
jolly crane
he has 2 facets that dont do anything in lane
ah fair
i thought he still had that slow
cuz that made him busted yeah
if thats gone now then yeah, hes no longer good in lane
didnt know that
jolly crane
Kotl having that nw is INSANE
idk he ran around with storm who couldnt get shit done in early because whats a storm gonna do at level 8 or 9
took him his entire manapool and like 15 seconds to kill the tiny and then he just died for it
worn drift
Yea I mean issue in this game is storm can’t kill shit
His only character he can 100-0 is like bat maybe early on
And weaver if he catches him but have to kill him in stun
His supps offer no hard cc
Abysmal storm game really
But kotl having that nw is inexcusable
worn drift
Was this kiyotaka ego storm 1st pick into countered by am
jolly crane
which i think is odd cuz
storm actually has a pretty bad laning stage these days i feel
jolly crane
i just see storm losing every lane almost
worn drift
And he can direct his remnant now
jolly crane
his facet is good but if you dont snowball, you just dont do much imo
worn drift
Sure but thats kind of any spirit hero
jolly crane
eh
mana regen was nerfed across the board so storm suffered a lot, imo
its not as bad for other heroes
idk, ive just not seen many high impact storm games, really
most storm games ive seen, the hero was utterly underwhelming (not always the storms fault)
worn drift
I like playing kotl mid
Fun hero
And hard to not have impact
Just hit 6 and run around solar bind illuminating people for half their health
- not having to worry about mana
Actually amazing feeling lmao
Man i played ranked for 1st time in years and 1st game i got a divine lobby and some animal called me a smurf 
jolly crane
ye
the -magic res on solar bind with vessel is just silly, honestly
but its also a hero that falls off hard
jolly crane
ill say this
i dont like the current meta
its just
eternal shrouds, mageslayer, windwaker in lategame still
and heropool is small
idk if the game just moved too far into the lol direction in terms of roles, so only a handful of heroes are viable on each slot now
worn drift
I dont like how polarizing the carry meta is recently
jolly crane
cant really play a roaming pos4 because your offlaner will just get zero gold/xp if you leave lane before minute 3-4
worn drift
But its kinda every role at this point
jolly crane
ye
supports its the same
cant really play supports that dont have insane disables and/or saves
so its mostly like
cm, willow, ench, chen, sd, bane
clock with new facet as well
worn drift
Tbh tho i feel like thats also just lack of teams’ willingness to take risks
As in they just follow what is winning
And use that
Because they aren’t willing to try something people dont deem strong and potentially fail
I am expecting some spice at riyadh
Haven’t seen anything from the true t1 teams in a bit since the patch has settled in
jolly crane
ye fair
this is actually cool tho
1win making it to TI like this
when the teams entire earnings so far has been $26k
stone geode
cis quals?
jolly crane
ye
navi only got 4th
and 9pandas is getting rolled 3-0
but like, not even close games
just stomps in all 3 of them imo
first one was kinda close but bad itemization
other 2 games just stomps
stone geode
were any actually good teams in there?
stone geode
9p roster hugely changed since miero joined BB
they not that good anymore I guess
ive not seen any cis games in months
jolly crane
well its still solo who is a solid captain but bad player
and kiyotaka
but its not enough ig
and with spirit+vp qualifying through points, theres no team left there
stone geode
spirit BB you mean
rugged cipher
time for team bald to qualify for ti
rugged cipher
blacklist rekt instantly
rugged cipher
navi jr in western cus same org alrdy in east i suppose?
craggy pivot
think so, thought 1 org cant attend TI with 2 Teams, which is why yellow sub is not Spirit Academy, but maybe that rule is just for ESL events rn
jolly crane
nah, thats been a thing for a long while
its the reason Alliance exists
cause it couldnt be a second EG team
craggy pivot
team zero from cn quals is XGs second team we'll see if they have to abbandon their spot
2 Teams from same org was still banned for ti 11, but valves rule page for this TI is just a blackscreen 
jolly crane
weird game
craggy pivot
doubt it changes the outcome, but buying the rapier and loosing the buyback seemed so troll
jolly crane
i mean
ck vs venge carry
wouldve needed like a battlefury or smth on venge
to clear illusions faster
stone geode
nigma balls
jolly crane
its funny watching all these enigma picks in CIS and WEU quals
and how many of them end up casting 0man blackholes multiple times a game
worn drift
pudge giving these old fucks the cock
craggy pivot
about to retire quest
stray yew
nigma vs team bald next round 
craggy pivot
bald getting necro 
rugged cipher
chat when gorp playing
jolly crane
actual good spell casting in these teamfights
idk if thats just quest being kinda slow
but theyre playing 4v5 really well
solid 4 protect 1 earlygame, couldve gone a lot worse imo
craggy pivot
ye
kinda suprised they dont ban necro when bald picked it in basically all open qual games
jolly crane
well
they probably prepped for it
better the devil you kow
if you think you can beat it
but ye, might end up in a xiao8 position
the "we can counter it" hubris
craggy pivot
surely they ban it in the later games
jolly crane
i do think not playing around the necroscythe at all all game isnt necessarily the right call tho idk
rugged cipher
invoker items 
jolly crane
ye invo seems kinda weak
craggy pivot
invoker networth 
rugged cipher
he just bought his first item before he died
jolly crane
just odd cuz like
he goes vessel rush but then
theres no one to pla with pmuch
other than the marci
that necro needs some armor as well
literally 0 armor hero
against ET
imo this is an easy casual platemail angle
craggy pivot
the 3 man stomp 
jolly crane
if bald has a mid hero this game, they win this imo
the venge+brew is just not smth you wanna play into with necro or invo
cuz you cant get a proper kill
craggy pivot
ye start was rly good, but then they fall apart mid game
refresher on gorg 0 armor game it is
double shroud to immune tiny and after that it's over
jolly crane
invo not providing enough value and they basically didnt get a single highground defense
which is the one thing that allows you to turn games
but still
for a meme team
quest is being pushed pretty hard
solid draft vs the necro
and invo just didnt do anything
hybrid gate
tier 7 team
shrewd skiff
Yo question
How does valve handle returnee rank
Since steam accounts are... a bit more valuable than making smurfs for the average player
Like if i sucked extremely hard 4/5 years ago and id try to climb today
Would i have that 5yo elo?
jolly crane
psure elo decayed to a large degree over that long a time
so youd just get your placement matches like everybody else
stray yew
big mmr decay
worn drift
I recalibrated after a year or so and got higher than what I was before
stray yew
wehn you are below 30% rank confidence you do get huge mmr swings
so if you do get big winrate there then that can happen for sure yea
even when im on 33% mmr confidence right now and i played pub i got +50 for a win
(normal is 25)
jolly crane
i wanna smack whoever decided that after the game is over, theyll always put the winner on the left on their stat-comparison
instead of always having radiant left, dire right
confusing as fuck
bzm making some weird as fuck plays
craggy pivot
greedy af to go fot that ward without an ult charge
jolly crane
just like that play in the previous match
where he goes for that tide kill at the end
after that big teamfight
and him and the nyx die for it
instead of deffing highground
jolly crane
looks like byebye nigma
stone geode
og not looking good
stone geode
looks like secret might be next
stray yew
ye this is over
stray yew
og is bigger surprise to me
but i think it has lots to do with the fact cebs wife/fiance w/e was giving birth to his child yday
i bet he didnt have any sleep for past 30 hours
craggy pivot
Very weird that having a permanent sub isn’t allowed, but bzm doesn’t run it down vs entity yesterday and they’d get another chance tomorrow
stray yew
you can complain about shit rules but its all on OG
they either took big gamble on ceb playing and take huge L on not qualifying to most important tournament
or you just register with different 5th
i know it was most unlucky timing for them
jolly crane
rules are shit but they already got the TO to concede and make an exception specifically for them. complaining again after they already gave you that leeway is fucking stupid.
stray yew
but well it did happen
i dont think they're complaining whatsoever
they did it rather smart
jolly crane
and you dont change the rules in the middle of the tourney. either complain about it before the tourney starts so rules can be the same for everybody competing, or deal with the consequences of your actions. and this was a predictable "worst possible outcome" scenario.
stray yew
they just released statement that they might have to forfeit because of the rules
its not a complaint per say
jolly crane
i dont think they're complaining whatsoever
they cried about it on twitter calling it unprofessional and "shines a bad light on esports" onyl after it became a problem for them
stray yew
puts pgl in bad light yes
if they did then they're delusional nothing else
og also has funny history of not reading rules
remember nomail arc
stray yew
i mean the only thing i accept is
they either took gamble on you know 1% vs 99%
but thgey rolled 1%
jolly crane
it sucks for them, and for him
well the offer apparently was
go through open qual with a different player
stray yew
ye
jolly crane
or get the 1 day exception
they went with the 1day exception
gambling that it would not be an issue
unlucky
stray yew
they couldve registered with different 5th
safer bet
but he's also captain and most important player
insanely bad timing
imo if this doesnt happen they qualify
they were my favourite to make it through
id say for me it was 75% for og to make it and entity/tundra was a 50/50 between them
jolly crane
stray yew
its not necessarily a complaint but yea manipulative
stray yew
is right way to put it
jolly crane
ye, he shouldnt have. but its a tournament with hundreds of players
you want the TO to just cater to every players issues and concerns?
yeah, GL with that
stray yew
i mean some players famously dupreeh or hooxi
played huge tournaments
right after their parents died
and won them
jolly crane
and this is just shitting on PGL when they already gave them an exception that no other team got
cause it wasnt "oh, now every team gets 1 day of being able to play with a standin." it was just OG that got it.
this is also just a flat-out lie
cuz ramzes is standing in
for tundra
stray yew
i think its different
what they mean is they wanted a 6th they can slot in should they need it
imo
unlike tundra ramzes situation
because they probably just registered with him as their 5th
(i get thats what they mean)
rules were shit, but ogs fault
shame that the worst case scenario panned out
we get worse competition as viewers imo
stray yew
i think they're winning vs entity
and are in UB right now
with normal circumstances
that game was on knife's edge
and they didnt have their captain
stray yew
it depends
someone had to give up his game
to make immersion have his comfort spots probably
or give up in draft something you know
its not just -ceb +immersion and immersion got all ceb's roles
and heroes and so on
i think if im tundra/entity now id be so scared to drop to LB
quest is having really insane run
definitely exceeding my expectations
jolly crane
ye
tbf it kinda cuts both ways
with how central to the team ceb is
you prepare for OG with ceb, not for OG with a standin
still an advantage overall for entity, but probably not nearly as big
especially since OG is very used to playing wiht standin
but ye, missing IGL is big