DotA

[stray yew]

many times

but when its bo5 final

they wont lose

makes no sense

[stone geode]

believe in ame

[jolly crane]

xxs hasnt found a pick or blink initiation

all game

[stray yew]

idk xg can just play the stupid game of

go afk on highground for 1 hour

maybe you win

how is spirit ever going hg

into lesh shard even

[manic ermine]

This series so far feels like supports carrying for both teams

Especially mira and xinq

[jolly crane]

ye

thats dota atm

imo

[stray yew]

it is

and its shit to watch

[jolly crane]

supports win progames

[stray yew]

and shit to play

from both sides

oh you mean that

then idk

[manic ermine]

But collapse is also back in his groove

He wasn't playing great last couple tournaments

[jolly crane]

game comes down a lot to 3+4+5 again

wasnt like that for a while

primal again

just coming from another game

[stray yew]

how does sven die

[jolly crane]

with charge

lesh

[stray yew]

i dont understand it

[jolly crane]

+centaur

[stray yew]

no no he has satanic

[jolly crane]

veil

[stray yew]

did he fuck up

and not press it or sth?

[jolly crane]

think he popped it on the gyro

[stray yew]

that was rly bad then

he was not at danger whatsoever

i was expecting satanic

and 1 hit full hp

but it never acme

its such a good game probably, shame i missed 1st 2 games

both teams play better when they are 10k behind

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

idk its just sth about both teams

[jolly crane]

game1 was beautiful imo

pos4 riki and darkseer3

riki did so much the first 10min

and then was a threat after 25 for any core that showed solo

if marci gets a bkb at some point, spirit will struggle

cuz she can actually heal the gyro a lot even if the gyro is primal ulted

well, that was macri bkb reveal

and grim aghs as well

[stray yew]

i went to make coffee

whats happening

[jolly crane]

replay now

so you can see

[stray yew]

i thought once gyro died it would be gg

[jolly crane]

[stray yew]

damn idk

iompossible game for dire

[jolly crane]

that was

[stray yew]

they all in 1 of the corefs

[jolly crane]

a crazy initiation from lesh imo

[stray yew]

and other 1 kills them anyway

[jolly crane]

insta blink forward when the stormcrafter procs

its what i really like about both teams

theyre not afraid to just go in

[stray yew]

i play carry from time to time and when my pos 5 is scared of dying in laning stage

its joever

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

i usually end up lwoer lvl than him coz i have to tank everything

[jolly crane]

even on smth like lion

[stray yew]

it was wrong by spirit i think

to go on gyro

[jolly crane]

as lion its totally worth to just

blink in, hex a core and die

[stray yew]

they need to kill grim

so bad

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

xinq is too good

[jolly crane]

grim or lesh

gyro is fine to clean up after

really good games tho

all 3 of them

weak draft from XG in game2 and spirit played it perfectly as well to capitalize on it

[stray yew]

xinq is putting up some prime fy performances

past 2 tournaments

[jolly crane]

dy as well imo

his bane has been stellar in all games

and this marci flex now as well

did a lot of work

considering what dota is usually like, it feels like ame very rarely has a bad lane

and thats because his support is just doing work

idk how much of the issue was the dk itembuild in this

didnt feel the nullifier at all

no aghs on DK is crazy to me, idk

once again showing that XG just doesnt give a fuck about these DK picks in general though, we talked about it yday already

[jolly crane]

once XG has triple BKB; his is gonna be tough i feel

[stone geode]

troll winning a game

uh oh

[jolly crane]

nah that was

bad play

to tank tower and spells like that with aegis almost about to expire

[stone geode]

lost aegis for nothing and got chronoed

[jolly crane]

insane positioning from spirit

problem is that the veno and grim dont really interact with each other

the veno firstpick is just not felt this game

TA traps and veno

and they still lost a fight to spirit having insane positioning

idk if spirit can recreate that next fight tho

void lv20 after that fight as well

[stone geode]

I dont get veno first pick

[jolly crane]

i think XG just kinda feel very strong

in their choices, no matter what those choices are

seeing how theyre 14-1 at this point

ame playing

eternal shroud

i like it

really glad this is the grand final, lots of smart choices

[stone geode]

lets go 5 games

[jolly crane]

last fight the big issue was that xm couldnt connect on anybody

grim soulbinded slardar+ench but it did nothing

[stone geode]

wtf

chrono so bad

but they kite them out

[jolly crane]

he had to chrono

or he dies

[stone geode]

ye

[jolly crane]

XM needs to find the pugna

the pugna is doing too much in these fights

[stone geode]

miposhka ench too

[jolly crane]

if ame gets nullifier

[stone geode]

primal 15

[jolly crane]

this is going to be a lot better

but the slardar cant be killed atm with the euls and windwaker coming

need nullifier for that

larl redeemed himself with this game

the previous one was not it

on DK

[stone geode]

that troll positioning was kinda troll

just died for free

gg

[jolly crane]

sick game from spirit

i do feel the 2 games XG lost, their drafts were just too weak tho

ta+naix and ta+troll

and then they both just get countered by euls

and pugna

both games

just dont like the ta pick into pugna at all

decrep is too strong

[stone geode]

did they get nulli on anyone?

troll had aghs

[jolly crane]

nah

game didnt last long enough

[stone geode]

zeus 0 deaths, holy

[jolly crane]

ye

slardar+void played very aggressively

the primal was too weak to punish it

[stone geode]

primal was weaker than ench

[jolly crane]

i mean they fill fundamentally different roles, but if you compare the way collapse could play on the primal last game, to xxs this game, you saw how different it was

last game the primal just went in, soaked some damage

this game he didnt get bkb until he already died through it

if xxs gets an early blademail he can commit a lot harder imo

and cause some more chaos in the early fights

[stone geode]

marci has been so good

but pango so bad

🤔

interesting

[jolly crane]

i think the offlane pango is way more value

than the mid one

especially into this lane

if the marci moves around, am/bat dont really have a lot of kill potential

[stone geode]

I like xg draft more

but AM is my favourite hero

[jolly crane]

spirit needs to win lanes

or theyll get out-tempoed i think

thats one way to start it

[stone geode]

decent start

[jolly crane]

xm having a terrible game

if spirit wins this, and atm id give them the advantage, then xm is gonna be on suicide watch i think

XM underperforming on his heroes all 3 losses, despite it being lastpick every time

[stray yew]

the fabled counterpick yourself last pick

[jolly crane]

getting firstblooded by lesh as puck is

idk

[stray yew]

ye this is over

or is it

[stone geode]

a bit too deep there

[stray yew]

ok nvm spirit counterthrow

ye its the

12 minute t2 dive

tey just respawn

ye this game i all on ame

gl

playing void game 5

[jolly crane]

well, thats a player youd like it to be on

[stray yew]

he can 1v9

[stone geode]

ye

[jolly crane]

insane understanding from yatoro

to manavoid the pango there

knowing that collapse would be there in time

[stray yew]

my lastpick midlaner

[jolly crane]

this centaur is gonna do work

they have no answer whatsoever for that hero

[stone geode]

mana burn and dilatate

[jolly crane]

centaur firstpick, no answer on enemy team, while they get a puck lastpick that has 0 impact this game

[stray yew]

i dont think its cent that is issue

its the fact puck had lastpick and got destroyed

[jolly crane]

oh yeah for sure

[stone geode]

the AM effect

[jolly crane]

im just saying, i dont see how XG can address this cent for the next like 20 minutes

[stray yew]

if lesh has 1,5k nw and puc khas 1,5k nw

ignore

dont care

[jolly crane]

good blink reveal from puck

that was needed

[stray yew]

problem is i think he needs linkens

i think he just dies on ame

if he gets lasso'd

[jolly crane]

he might ye

[stray yew]

even deep lategame

with tank tiems

items

[jolly crane]

i do think the marci is gonna cause some issues tho

[stone geode]

gonna 1 tap am in a stun

[stray yew]

nah imo he goes on a mission for sd

if sd dies fights are substantially easier

[jolly crane]

marci will hunt down the bat or sd

[stray yew]

or if he even tanks ult

thats huge

[jolly crane]

SD is their chrono counter

[stray yew]

tbh puck did came back

a lot

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

considering his start

[jolly crane]

spirit is slowing down a lot

[stray yew]

ench will get shroud item

become unkillable

[jolly crane]

they got an ench kill and that was it

[stray yew]

coz they do lack phys dmg

its ok

space

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

5 people chasing

[jolly crane]

like, i honestly have full faith in ame

[stray yew]

and pango already posted on wisdom

even tho he died i think its psycho move from spirit

to still camp there with 5

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

noone would do that

[jolly crane]

dont think the kill is worth 21min wisdom anymore

[stray yew]

[jolly crane]

after committing to it for like a full minute

[stray yew]

get linkens on puck

tbh

he will never die

[jolly crane]

ye

the sd does a lot for them atm

setting up both the centaur and lesh

but he wont be able to do that in late

he has very good farm tho like

crazy good farm

[stray yew]

he will get aghs eventually and shard

[jolly crane]

ye

he might have aghs at like

30min

if not earlier

[stray yew]

miposhka doing some core build too

travels

they odnt even wanna go on her

ench didnt even die

[jolly crane]

ye

it secured am the aghs tho

not sure how impactful thall end up being

[stray yew]

its good item

[jolly crane]

for sure

[stray yew]

rly annoying to fight into

coz slowly drains your mana

remove mana burn from this game fuck it

[jolly crane]

next fight will be wiht marci bkb

[stone geode]

void is going to win the game

[stray yew]

ame with beyond flawless game for sure

[jolly crane]

ye

no hesitation at all

[stray yew]

i cant believe

these idiots from china

keep on retiring

[jolly crane]

hahaha

tbf

[stray yew]

robbing us

[jolly crane]

he got married and stuff so

[stray yew]

of the good games

[jolly crane]

can kinda get it

[stray yew]

ye but its just the chinese special

even burning did it 10 years ago

[stone geode]

married to the game

fr fr ong

[stray yew]

im gonna retire guys

(also year later at ti making top 6)

[jolly crane]

oh nvm just engaged

not married

[stray yew]

idk how its possible

they retire for a year

and then they come back

[jolly crane]

cute couple

[stray yew]

takes them idk 3 months to make semis/finals of t1 tourneysd

[jolly crane]

ame cuter tho

yatoro forever sad

[stray yew]

that ar run last ti was a little bit of a fluke probably

them qualifying was already big

[jolly crane]

but ye i do agree

[stray yew]

but then they make like top 4

which is insane

[jolly crane]

i think china just didnt win anything for such a long time

that they get ultra depressed after TI every time

if maybe wouldve stuck it out, i think he wouldve won one by now imo

[stray yew]

ye he died anyweay

[stone geode]

am so squish

[stray yew]

even with linkens

[jolly crane]

ye

force to proc linkens

but like

the marci almost killed the am there

if the puck was anywhere close

they lose that fight bigtime

guessing xinq will go bloodthorn here?

[stray yew]

nulli or bloodthorn

probably

[jolly crane]

he already has crystalys

[stray yew]

its funny how he can actually one shot am

if he gets full salve on

maybe not without bloodthorn

coz butterfly

[jolly crane]

ye thats why im thinking bloodthorn as well

saves the void from buying mkb

he gets it anyway ig

void lv20

[stray yew]

i guess void 25 is big

backtrack

rng stay alive

[jolly crane]

ye

think the 20 is already big for damage tho

[stray yew]

ye hero does almost no dmg before 20

[jolly crane]

idk how xinq

[stray yew]

i guess he does this game

[jolly crane]

got bkb off there

[stray yew]

coz he's kinda farmed

maybe creeps were there

and he saw shivas aura on creeps

and he anticipated?

[jolly crane]

probably ye

was reactive to the blink tho

pango got basher already?

great finals tho

[stray yew]

i wanna go make food

but it could be 1 teamfight and its over

[jolly crane]

ye

smoking into aegis

[stray yew]

xinq made this fight

imo

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

jumped in

tanked sd ult

[jolly crane]

completely zoning the sd

and bat

theyre splitting the fight so well

they always get chrono on 1-2 heroes while marci+pango or puck+pango keep the supports away

[stone geode]

this might be joever

[jolly crane]

nah this is

[stray yew]

isnt spirit on a timer

puck lategame void lategame

wtf do you do

[jolly crane]

centaur falls off lategame as well

think theyre fine losing a rax even

nailbiter game

[stone geode]

good finals

[jolly crane]

ye

[stone geode]

not a boring 3-0 again

[jolly crane]

think falcons wouldnt have been able to keep up with this

miposhka is having a crazy good bat game

[stray yew]

falcons standin not as good

its always better having 2 ammars

at laest 1 of them will pop off

[jolly crane]

triple ninjagear is gonna make this game hard for XG tho

[stone geode]

marci is key

big fight splits from him in fights

[jolly crane]

shes not farmed enough i think

she needs blink

cant rely on dispose to jump on a hero

ame wnats that 25 so bad

hes like

2 creeps off

puck 25 now as well

[stone geode]

cent afk?

[stray yew]

he kills

centaur

as marci

LMAO

[jolly crane]

collapse thought he was tanky

[stray yew]

miposhka also INCREDIBL lucky

he idndt get bashed by pango

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

with his q

[jolly crane]

this marci is gonna be a problem now

[stray yew]

ench build

[jolly crane]

cuz she actually does damage

[stray yew]

real antimage

[worn drift]

Marci so silly

Makes centaur look like butter

[jolly crane]

ye

tbf this cent

[stray yew]

it is silly

[jolly crane]

had no item progression

in the last 15 minutes

[stray yew]

but its only xinq

aswell

[worn drift]

Surprised this went 5 games

[jolly crane]

ye ive yet to see any other team pull out a pos4 marci like this, idk

xm is not having a good final

[stone geode]

who even plays marci

boxi?

[stray yew]

can check stats

i dont recall teams having success with it

[jolly crane]

xinq blink now

hes gonna destroy the bat i think

[stray yew]

i know some teams played io/marci

and its super turbo broke in pubs at least

[jolly crane]

ye its usually a core

not a support

[stray yew]

io/marci

is dumb

if you ever play into that in pub

you will lose most of the games in 15 minutes

[jolly crane]

the ench is so nice against am as well

like, this ench does so much

[stray yew]

that ench item build

[jolly crane]

its genius imo

[stray yew]

he is the tank

i mean it is

[jolly crane]

hes frontlining

in a team that has no frontliner

[stray yew]

coz they have so much magic

but little phys

[jolly crane]

https://i.imgur.com/ofiHqhu.png

this is funny af

you play ench into am/sd/cent/lesh and shes just perma dewarding and breaking smokes

[stray yew]

'if dy dies'

that hero

i dont even know who's ahead now

spirit surely

[jolly crane]

spirit for sure

marci+void bb

[stone geode]

void dieback

[stray yew]

ye this is over

[jolly crane]

ye

[worn drift]

Damn

[stray yew]

refresher shard

from 5 roshes ago

came in clutch

[jolly crane]

ye

[worn drift]

Insane move to turn and just mana burn him to 0

[jolly crane]

sick game and finals

[manic ermine]

Glimmer creep

[stone geode]

gggg

[manic ermine]

So good

[worn drift]

Ye crazy it went to 5

Need to watch the other games

[jolly crane]

didnt like XG forcing it at the end

with 2 buybacks forced

but i guess they felt they had to

since it was just AM and SD

[manic ermine]

Been a while since such good series

[jolly crane]

ye for sure

[worn drift]

This years been so good so far

Actually multiple competitive teams

Instead of 1 just spam winning everything

[stray yew]

this for sure was best finals we had in a long time

last time we had that good of a finals was 1st riyad psg vs spirit

which was 3-2 too iirc

previous season prettym uch all finals were stomps

gg stomped liquid 3 times in finals of majors and got stomped by spirit in finals of ti

[worn drift]

Ye

Hopefully ti has a banger grand final

Last 2 ti’s has just been 3-0 no chance gigastomp

[jolly crane]

apparently collapse and mira both said that this was the hardest grand final they ever played

collapse in ru interview and mira on his telegram channel

[worn drift]

Ye back to back series

Plus actual pressure of being a “good team”

[jolly crane]

i think especially from a support pov, those games were crazy to play

[worn drift]

Last time they had lb final into gf was ti vs lgd iirc

[jolly crane]

cause one second out of position and youre gone

[worn drift]

And they were underdogs

[jolly crane]

i do think that spirit lucked out a bit in game 5

with the triple ninja gear

i think that gave them a big edge to move around the map a bit more aggressively and get picks that theyn ormally couldnt get

XG had to rely almost entirely on dy to frontline, break smokes etc. cuz no one else could show

[worn drift]

Ye

Ninja gear needs to be removed for sure

Or make the duration waaaaay shorter

[jolly crane]

i think its just a straight removal

ninja gear on an initiator hero or carry is just way too powerful

[stone geode]

mhm

[worn drift]

damn g3 falcons spirit was nuts wtf

[jolly crane]

well this game2 of liquid vs XG was fucking crazy

https://i.imgur.com/qFqR7vl.png

still lost

dude was 21-0 at minute 60 or so

[jolly crane]

game actually made me hate windwaker

everybody just flying up in the air nonstop

7 windwakers in that game

[stray yew]

cooldown is too short ye

[jolly crane]

ye

should also be like meka

where you get a debuff when you use it

so someone else cant windwaker you again

watching ame play those teamfights was actually insane tho

actual master class in positioning in extended teamfights

tbf

https://i.imgur.com/b1WvUWd.png

this is an interesting drow itembuild

had aghs before butterfly as well

xinq 35/40 kills attended, 22 deaths

[worn drift]

No one bought nullifier?

Or how does nullifier interact with it

[manic ermine]

Weak item

Better get windwaker yourself

[worn drift]

Well that is the one counter to it

[stray yew]

nullifier got nerfed a lot

adn its a shit item

only cuck support players complained its op

so they got it nerfed

unjustified imo

supports complaining i cant kite 30k nw core with 2 items

if he even had linkens

it kinda is uncounterable

wth are you supposed to do

bkb counters it fully and then you have linkens too

[worn drift]

Ye

[stray yew]

they need to increase cd on it

and its ok

on windwaker

its only like 14s cd or so

maybe evn less tbh

and then many heroes that make it also have octarine

so its even more frequent

[jolly crane]

13sec cd ye

i think you just shouldnt be able to spam it on cd idk

or windwaker yourself, then get 2 more from allies

if you watch that XG vs liquid game2 which i recommend

youll quickly notice the lategame fights just become comical

with everybody constantly flying the moment one of the carries attacks them

XG kinda

making a new meta

with the windwaker spam

and now also with the lategame linkens

2-3 each game

changes the way the lategame plays

[worn drift]

Ye linkens is a super annoying item to play against if you rely on a targetted spell

That game 5 of spirit v xg the linkens on fv was super annoying

Because they had no way to pick him once he bought it

[jolly crane]

ye its also just

lategame is so much about blink initiations

with that 1 instant disable you have that you cant bkb

or a lategame hex pickup

and linkens just completely ruins your plan

so when you have the carry buy it and 1-2 supports too

your carry starts becoming untouchable, especially if they also get windwaker

[worn drift]

Yep

[jolly crane]

just a very silly item imo

fully expecting them to nerf the cd in a big way, like 18sec instead of 13

[hybrid gate]

LIFESTEALER SCALING POG

arena removing vision from outside op

[stone geode]

oh so theres dreamleague already

thought there would be a break before some more good games

[stray yew]

its this last tourney

and aftert its break till riyad

i think

till like july or so

[stone geode]

liquid not looking good against heroic

[stone geode]

heroic not looking good against liquid

xdd

[jolly crane]

liquid got farmed in game1 tho

fucking

shadowfiend mid

om

[stone geode]

only caught the tail end of that one

[jolly crane]

liquid in shambles

[stray yew]

lost to davai lama

[jolly crane]

so

every hero gets an innate passive?

is the rumor im hearing

like, an innate ability rather, similar to monkey kings shit

can be passive or active

[worn drift]

League of legends style

Interesting

Is there a big patch coming soon?

[stone geode]

seli with the inside scoops

[stray yew]

it should be today

(any minute now)

[worn drift]

Oh really wtf

[stone geode]

so tomorrows games on a new patch?

[worn drift]

Epic

I love big patches

[stone geode]

10 hour patchnotes review by purge

[worn drift]

I wonder if they will release ringmaster

[stone geode]

feel like its been a year since its been teased

[worn drift]

It was teased at last ti iirc

Or was it riyadh

[manic ermine]

Ppl tried to puzzle the patch notes teaser

Looks something like this

[jade bramble]

OH GOD

https://www.dota2.com/patches/7.36

[worn drift]

oh it actually dropped

jesus

not only innate abilities

but some other insane thing

[jade bramble]

Everyday I praise Heroes of the Storm for existing

[worn drift]

[jolly crane]

oh god

24hrs purge video inc

[craggy pivot]

I wonder if the new ult is enough for faceless void supp

[hybrid gate]

mans really said

delete this fucking hero named tinker

[stone geode]

Mana Bars are always visible for enemies

holy

[stone geode]

looks kina bad to me?

[stray yew]

maybe into some matchups

also this looks like some dota 3 shit

so many changes

[jolly crane]

ye

[worn drift]

It looks like a lot at first

But a lot of them are kinda like

Either meh or its like a mirana thing

Where you either get

Her current ult

Or you get a buff variant that empowers you and your teams right clicks

But like PA’s I don’t understand

[worn drift]

Really? Thats actually a huge deal lol

Removes having to click enemy regularly

Which you still should do for items but

[thorny fiber]

they are LoLifying the game hard tho?

the whole mana thing and the preselected bonus thing you can take

is very much LoL-concept

(except its not generic and actually character based ofc)

[worn drift]

Have to do certain casual minded things like the mana

The innate ability + facets thing is weird

The facets I kinda get, they seem to want you to make a decision based on enemy and ally draft

The innate abilities im not sure i get

Maybe some balancing thing theyre trying, no idea

Ig it does make some of the effects these heroes have more easily visible

Because they are separately stated and clear

Like slardars in puddle effect

[worn drift]

Wait the clock changes are interesting

I wonder if his facet makes it so you can no longer force staff out

[worn drift]

Something interesting i just saw is that they are giving alternate ways to play these micro heroes like lycan and visage as non micro intensive heroes

[worn drift]

Holy wtf

Wait

That right one

With new bloodseeker facet that pushes the enemy when he autos them during rupture

[stone geode]

I read herald mentality

[hybrid gate]

no damage on charge now

can't farm waves too

he's just annoying now

[jade bramble]

[thorny fiber]

Purge copycat

[stone geode]

barely 7 hours long

I missed by 3 hours

[thorny fiber]

Doesnt it say part 1?

On the purge vid

[stray yew]

@jolly crane https://clips.twitch.tv/PlayfulRamshackleManateeChefFrank-mXmO2y10QrCKckv7

[craggy pivot]

80 min game into pause forfeit

[jolly crane]

are they playing on new patch now or

dreamleague i mean

[worn drift]

Ye

[jolly crane]

oh lmao

thats a missclick and a half

thats like

kyxy levels of

terrible

[stray yew]

they still won

so its ok

[craggy pivot]

another tech pause loss

I wanna see new patch gameplay

[stone geode]

this razor is so weird

tank items, no damage and no tank

[jolly crane]

https://i.imgur.com/MNEzW7x.png

[jolly crane]

whats going on?

[stone geode]

I think some internet issues

I wasnt home

[craggy pivot]

some isp in romania having issues and most teams are still there after wallachia

[jolly crane]

odd

just reading up on it

romania has pretty damn good internet

most of eastern europe does

[worn drift]

Topson rolling out dazzle

The poison bloom shit is so busted lol

The additional poison touches stack and also hex with his shard

If you fight grouped against him you just lose

[stone geode]

I didnt think there was another series, I started watching replays

[jolly crane]

why did nightfall buy talisman of evasion when going radi rush

isnt that just useless gold

[stone geode]

big tank

pudge hooks

[jolly crane]

"love this itemization from DP"

its literally

the same items you always play

[jade bramble]

[stone geode]

its joever

[jolly crane]

actually he said "tanky items"

which isnt even tanky items

if you go tanky DP you get euls+early platemail but

topson just not getting any farm

[stone geode]

phase has armor, ok

[jolly crane]

ye

pure just full tilt mode it feels

[stone geode]

they are done

ramzes back to pos3

not looking good

[jolly crane]

solid throw

from betboom

as expected

[stone geode]

SK forcing too much

[jolly crane]

just nightfall things

think nightfall and pure are still in a competition about who can tilt and throw more games

[stone geode]

I feel like viper is such a non hero in every game

just doesnt do anything

[jolly crane]

if pure ever gets his overconfidence under control, hes gonna be the best carry this game has ever seen

XG has had great success with viper last tourney

in mid tho

idk about the pos3 viper

but it needs farm prio imo

i still dont get why teams value centaur so highly

the hero always falls behidn in farm by midgame, every match ive seen

[stone geode]

not looked good even on ammar

but that was last patch

[stone geode]

actually such a close fight

[stone geode]

naga might win this

?

[stone geode]

high ground defense

[jolly crane]

ye but betboom played it very safe

and they had dogshit building damage

[stone geode]

good game from them

[stone geode]

tiny lycan is back

[stone geode]

betboom on fire

also not a fan of that xg pick

TB is meh, razor and cent too

silencer is a ward

[jolly crane]

idk

zero tempo

on XG

with those supports

silencer firstpick twice

i dont get at all

just begging to be out-tempoed with heroes that dont need to cast spells

or go bkb early

but honestly

[stone geode]

that draft doesnt win late either imo

[jolly crane]

it mostly comes down to XM just not being up to part with most of these top-tier mid laners

hes by far the weakest link

[stone geode]

gpk having near deathless games all day

[jolly crane]

and it shows because unless he plays smth like razor or viper to go even early on

he just has no impact

[stone geode]

AA mid got dumpstered hard

[jolly crane]

replace xm with somnus and this team can win TI

i mean

idk what the aa mid plan was

void just destroys AA

[stone geode]

no clue

[jolly crane]

in the first 4 levels

and outlast hits you

[stone geode]

I dont get TB this patch

the facets seem terrible

and in general the hero itself

[jolly crane]

TB is fine

the problem is that XG plays a draft

that is compeltely and entirely countered by BKBs

willow does nothing

[stone geode]

im a TB hater

[jolly crane]

so does cent

razor is underfarmed as fuck

[stone geode]

and all the TB games have lost this tournament

[jolly crane]

silencer is useless against bkb as well

meanwhile you have a grim and phoenix

[stone geode]

ye the pick is just not good

0 good heroes imo

[jolly crane]

providing constant teamfight and tempo value

i dont like TB either but in this game it was fine

they needed to just not lose offlane and mid this hard

[stray yew]

are teams picking ck?

i like the 50% extra illusion thing

[stone geode]

not in todays games I dont think

falcons got obliterated, xg too

[worn drift]

Does he still have his shard that spawns illu on stun? Seemed kinda strong with that

50% chance to spawn 2 illu on that sounds really strong

For like all purposes

[stray yew]

ye

it even works on manta

and on grimstroke using aghs on him

etc

dark seer wall

[worn drift]

Oh okay thats very interesting

Enemy sd too then

[stray yew]

ye sd too

everything that creates illusion

[worn drift]

watching replays from today

i swear skiter's most bought item is heart

[stone geode]

before the games he tweeted that he threw up 5 mins before the games themselves

so was sick probably

[stone geode]

@stray yew skiter ck

[stray yew]

didnt falcons play against gg yday or sth

or is it some tiebreaker

im not following much

[jolly crane]

finals

like

grandfinal

yday was upper bracket final

[stone geode]

gg stomped them yesterday

[jolly crane]

that uphill miss

lmao

if that meldstrike uphill doesnt miss

the razor doesnt chase

[stone geode]

TA getting bodied now

[jolly crane]

ye

after that death on bot rune

he was fucked

thats where i really dislike dota sometimes

cuz that one uphill miss

[stone geode]

im a quinn hater

[jolly crane]

snowballs like crazy

[stone geode]

quinn in the bin

[jolly crane]

i dislike his personality but cant argue with his growth as a player

[stone geode]

dark seer a little slept on imo, looks so strong

[stray yew]

wth happened top

[jolly crane]

ace happened

[stray yew]

darkseer kinda insane into ck

[jolly crane]

still imo the most underrated player in the scene

[stray yew]

you get his illusions

[stone geode]

razor saving their game for now

[stray yew]

id rather have farmed ds than razor i think

[jolly crane]

that seemed like

a weird movement to do

going for wisdom rune at 7:20

[stray yew]

also ta will come back faster than ck

[jolly crane]

but ig it worked out with the darkseer dying top

[jolly crane]

not 100% on that actually

[stray yew]

dyrachyo cant play vs this guy on bot tho

[jolly crane]

if falcons take the top t1 early

and countrol the ancients

im not sure if quinn has big flashfarm potential

[stone geode]

TA + WK got dumpstered in the previous series

[jolly crane]

their draft isnt very aggressive

[stray yew]

razor dies once and its w/e anyway

seems like crit did so much

but he's bottom nw lowest lvl probably

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

the only person i nthis game that is happy how the game is going is malrine i think

[jolly crane]

i dont really see either team mounting a lot of pressure in the next 10min unless falcons decide to run down towers with the full team

[stray yew]

everyone else got stomped on lane or bullied

[stone geode]

I think GG got this game

[jolly crane]

gonna be a pretty passive midgame i think

crit is dying for every rotation

so itll be late blink for him

[stray yew]

he isnt even going blinkj

arcane boots 1st

[jolly crane]

and WK is getting wrecked too so he aint going blink early either

[stone geode]

the curse WK is so weak early

[jolly crane]

that tree cut

chefskiss

[stone geode]

razor godlike and they dont even have a lead

[stray yew]

how is that deny

wth

[stone geode]

1500g for ty

[stray yew]

why is that a thing

thta its a deny

why yisnt it always a deny then

makes no sense

its not like you turn these units friendly to you

[stone geode]

razor died once and now TA is almost level

[stray yew]

ta hits creeps faster than razor

luna would be higher lvl than both of them even with 7 deaths

[stone geode]

orchid ck, interesting

I forgot what this hero builds

WK getting memed on, same as in BB series

went armlet first but he is still useless

[stray yew]

this is mega over

[stone geode]

unless they get some mega dark seer hg defense

[stray yew]

i mean this is best case scenario somehow

still jeover i think

[craggy pivot]

ye, insane how after yesterday of gg stomping through mid 2 games falcons does the same now

[stray yew]

is this standard wk build?

he dies to single combo of spells from timber with current item build hence im asking

[stone geode]

so far the standard WK item build is losing lane and getting farmed all game

[stray yew]

hero is weak on lane

[stone geode]

idk about that armlet

[stray yew]

so not surprised

he was also into hard counter

[stone geode]

did nothing buy delay rad

[stray yew]

timber is one of harder counters

he presses q on you

and you lose half hp

[stone geode]

I guess mjol for some magic dam

because they have all phys

[stray yew]

maybe clear for illusions

[stone geode]

going to be hard g3 for GG

[stone geode]

dyrachio having a bad day

is this just a 3-0

[hybrid gate]

big protein

Force Staff and similar abilities can no longer be used on Leashed targets (Slark Pounce, Puck Dream Coil, Time Zone, etc.)

[stone geode]

5m pool

dead game

[stray yew]

@jolly crane

[stray yew]

that mana cost is huge

people will go for like 4/2/1 build i think

that hero was worst mana pool in entire dota probably

is still i suppose

you press waveform twice and you have no mana, gonna help out a little

[jolly crane]

his early laning stage is still weak i feel

and if you dont max adaptive, you have less pressure on the lane i think

but it gives him some desperately needed flashfarm ig?

pull 2 camps, waveform through all creeps

so prolly falcon blade early on?

or do the clinkz thing and just go straight arcaneboots

[stray yew]

ye laning is kjinda unfair

it depends

you still have shift unfair thing

• fruit is strong on you

i tihnk you can go either falcon or null tali

and your mana issues are mostly gone

unless its rare game where you rush linkens then pers

imo 4/2/1 is gonna be most often nowadays

maybe 3/3/1 if you can rly dominate lane

it already was the case you'd go 2 in adaptive if you couldnt dominate lane/do anything on lane with it

[jolly crane]

ye theres a few heroes that end up playing null now

seen 33 play it on slardar a few times

saw it on clinkz as well but i like the arcane boots on him more honestly

hero doesnt need upgraded boots anyway

dunno how important treads are on morph

[stone geode]

I want some more tournament play

I always get hooked

[worn drift]

Clinkz doesn’t care as much about attack speed