DotA

[stray yew]

i swear if they had heen

or idk if puppey retires

someone that actually wants to win

and be the best

they could be scary

[jolly crane]

they couldve had kuro

and it wouldve been infinitely better than blitz

[stray yew]

but instead you have wet noodle that is gonna say ye glad to be here

(proceed to lose final again)

[jolly crane]

liquid has no reason to win pmuch

other than having hungry players, but they dont

33 is

but the others arent imo

zai certainly wasnt

[stray yew]

i mean just sheer fact that you know boxi/insania/micke are not touchable

is bad to have imo

its good to know you can get cut

but they just know they cant be

[jolly crane]

ye its fine for someone like insania

cuz i think

he has some good and some bad performances

but makes good calls all around

hes kinda ppd like

or fly

[stray yew]

there was some interview with ppd like a week ago i saw

i linked it here

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

he made a point that he got kicked around idk ti5/ti6 time ish?

and none of the players fom that team

[jolly crane]

i mean

[stray yew]

ever did anytrhing

[jolly crane]

ill say smth rude now but like

[stray yew]

which he's right

he was great leader

[jolly crane]

EG was never this omega team imo

[stray yew]

imo

[jolly crane]

they just

[stray yew]

ehh idk id need to dig a lot of stats and matchups and remind myself

what the scene was like

[jolly crane]

had the uncontested best offlaner in the world, at a time where offlane was you playing 1v3 and still somehow having impact

[stray yew]

but imo cutting ppd was just a bad move

i kinda will debunk that myth a bit (not discrediting universe - he was great at greedy ish offlane)

[jolly crane]

and EG basically was the first team to play pos1 mid and pos2 on safelane, sorta

[stray yew]

but when he went to secret and they had diff farm distribution lets say

[jolly crane]

oh ye for sure

[stray yew]

he wasnt nearly close to level he was at eg

[jolly crane]

could even say

[stray yew]

when they played around him

[jolly crane]

fear was mostly playing pos3

[stray yew]

kinda

ye universe was one of the 1st to play like ammar/collapse for sure

where they play mega greedy offlaners

[jolly crane]

ye

iron talon days

sit on lane, have 2 cs after minute 5, get iron talon from passive gold, farm neutrals

[stray yew]

but ye for sure he did need a system behind

[jolly crane]

[stray yew]

you couldnt just go play that in a pub

or some random inhouse league

and it will just work

it wont

he needed some good system behind to make it work i think

thats why ppd - rtz never worked i suppose?

just diff game philosophy

so they got bulba instead

thats like blitz 2.0

[jolly crane]

i firmly believe

someone had such a massive hardon for rtz on EG

that they basically kicked ppd

[stray yew]

coz he was good

[jolly crane]

to get in a coach

[stray yew]

best at some point even

for sure

[jolly crane]

who would let him do what he wants

[stray yew]

well thats what happens

when you let players make team decisions

about players

[jolly crane]

cuz he had high marketing value

[rugged cipher]

i mean rtz was basically the brand bringin in fans and money like dendi for navi

[stray yew]

it was kinda ancient times in esports tho

[jolly crane]

ye exactly

[stray yew]

in comparison to now

[jolly crane]

rtz was the NA dendi pmuch

but he was never on that level in terms of play

i dont think so

[stray yew]

im sure

[jolly crane]

i never considered him great

[stray yew]

very many good rosters got broken because players are idiots

[jolly crane]

even at his prime

[stray yew]

and they just didnt 'vibe' with someone

[jolly crane]

he has glorious moments like

his vanguard alchemist game

[stray yew]

so they did stupid roster changes

[jolly crane]

or cliff/sprouteezy

[stray yew]

that made team collapse basically

[jolly crane]

rtz just struggled at TI imo

[stray yew]

thats why you need coach/manager or sth

that will make decisions like that

[jolly crane]

and i think its partly cuz there was so much pressure on him

[stray yew]

someone outside of the server

[jolly crane]

if youre the NA dendi, then pressure is much higher on you than anybody else

[stray yew]

i think rtz couldve had many tournament victories

but he made bad decisions for himself

[jolly crane]

ye

hes just too inconsistent

[stray yew]

and also once or twice he did get griefed

[jolly crane]

especially in lategame situations

[stray yew]

when he was arguably best player in that secret lineup

and you have s4 mid

that legit ints the game

[jolly crane]

ye

still think rtz shouldve never played carry

was just overshadowed by sumail

but imo hed have made a much better mid than carry

[stray yew]

i think he had drjay syndrome when he played in ppd universe lineup

or ppd sumail lineup

he didnt wanna be the 2nd guy

he wanted to be the 1st guy

and you couldnt have it

[jolly crane]

yep

pmuch

[stray yew]

but ye thats like

i can say it now

after some years

but he made these type decisions 3-4 times in his career

where if he zagged instead of zigged

he couldve had some good trophies

imo

how i see the rtz situation

ironically now they sticked to the roster for so long, way too long when it was kinda dead lets be real

[jolly crane]

think its not even his fault that much

[stray yew]

when in the previous lineups he was fast to pull the trigger

[jolly crane]

mostly just that EG didnt manage that team well

[stray yew]

its just you're young and stupid and they had no manager/coach that should be dealing with roster swaps imo

[jolly crane]

and priroitized him over a good coach

[stray yew]

ye imagine if they had some iconic player like ceb be their coach

and eg would prio ceb's opinion on roster/how to approach the game over players

[jolly crane]

yep

[stray yew]

hope liquid wins this game coz otherwise its gonna be 3-0

i think liquid strat should be put malrine on his non cheese heroes

and he cant play the game

[humble yew]

where malr1ne?

))

[stray yew]

its again him

getting caught

baiting into shit fight

[rugged cipher]

boxi doing some insane impales

[stray yew]

playing luna into sd

[humble yew]

)

[stray yew]

skiter gigachad

[humble yew]

they forgor aghanim refresher

[stray yew]

skiter

mega chad

[stray yew]

ok they gave them dk

its joever

[jolly crane]

id why they prio the venge so highly

feels like youd wanna firstpick a high impact core

not a support

unless its a chen

[stray yew]

venge is just braindead

and always good

ngl

good ult, good stun, insane shard

just good

[jolly crane]

sure

but idk if thats

a firstpick

in a meta where the other FPs

are a bunch of cores

that are flex picks

well

interesting finals ig

[stray yew]

i mean they shouldve won g2

but ammar/skiter played too good

[jolly crane]

i didnt watch the end of that

liquid just

very same~y drafts imo

and nisha still

no impact in any game i feel

[stray yew]

wdym

g1 he had absolute shit hero

g2 he played well

now he just got ganked 3 times

[jolly crane]

well yeah

[stray yew]

while his safelane loses 1v2 to kunkka

that is countered

[jolly crane]

idk if teams are just better at it now than a few years ago

[stray yew]

its all on safelane

this game

they got stomped on a lane they should stomp

[jolly crane]

but nisha just kinda struggled since forever to have high impact in mid consistenyl like he used to

and ye

i feel liquid is just

this boxi/micke combo

is a liablity

[stray yew]

its just liquid in finals

they're probably approaching some absurd 10% winrate in finals

out of 10 games they played

i dont even know if they won one

i assumed they should win one by accident at this point when they're in 10 of them

idk they have no dk answer i feel like

1st pick dk

he just wins the game by default in 15 minutes

gets aghs/octarine

laughs at them

imagine if this kunkka has -5k nw

they could play the game

[jolly crane]

ye

psure

VP at TI have better winrate

than liquid in finals

[stray yew]

probably ye

[jolly crane]

idk how that ravage hit 5 people

but doesnt matter

[stray yew]

joever

[jolly crane]

ngl

kinda happy

we have a tournament that ends on a friday

instead of sunday

[worn drift]

Whys that

[jolly crane]

idk why

but its nice

[stray yew]

huge respect to skiter

got flamed for being shit and its all his fault for 2023 ti

[stone geode]

falcons roster looks good, I forgot they made a team

[stray yew]

idk its tainted for me because if you get liquiud in grand final its just default win

[stray yew]

@jolly crane

my 5

[jolly crane]

Gamer

[humble yew]

[stray yew]

dreamleague started today

if anyone is interested

[jolly crane]

[stray yew]

for crystallis

[humble yew]

yeh, watching on the side

[manic ermine]

Liquid vs spirit draft looks interesting

Yatoro playing puck

[stray yew]

@jolly crane

the timber disease

tbh hero has insanely fun and good voicelines

if you play timber and you wont spam voicelines idk what you're doing

[jolly crane]

ye

best one is still LC tho

"Try harder"

works in almost every situation

you kill them? try harder.

they gank you? try harder.

[stray yew]

dota voicelines one of best thing in the game

so much better than skins imo

[jolly crane]

ye for sure

love getting spammed by ephey laughing 15times in a row every other match

[stray yew]

ye thats cringe

but hero voicelines

[humble yew]

absolutely love shredding someone with my clock and drop a big

"Not what you expected?" in all chat

[jolly crane]

i miss the old aghanims lab voicelines

that got louder and louder

[stray yew]

liquid not looking too hot in dreamleague

nor gaimin

[rugged cipher]

whats the drama with MC being suspended pending investigation

"MC explains on gorgc's stream, he gave an ultimatum to the CEO of Tundra, to choose between Zai and Moonmeander or him. Therefore he was kicked.

He didn't like the fact that Pure took MC's previous captain role, but he was willing to look/work past it. He didn't like the idea of Moon coaching them nor did he want to work with Zai."

https://afkgaming.com/dota2/originals/mind_control-interview-i-definitely-miss-my-old-teammates-they-were-all-great funny that this just dropped a few hours before

[stray yew]

i get the part where he got overruled on being drafter (also we dont rly know what captain means, maybe he expected way more 'power')

but getting coach/general manager and explaining it as i dont want that many voices in the team i get the boomer vibe of 'we didnt need it x years ago to succeed'

and on top of that he is a bozo to org and gives them ultimatum mid tournament

i would understand if its idk puppey giving secret ultimatum as he is long standing member, achieved a lot for the org etc

but MC is legit bozo to tundra, barely 3 months in the org lol

he gave tundra no choice but to cut him/suspend/bench

[stray yew]

he probably misses the paycheck from oil industry ))

[jolly crane]

dude

ori playing ember

err nts i mean

hes just

idk if hes a genius or just dumb

[stray yew]

fiftee/fiftee

[jolly crane]

ig his mars and morph are farmed enough that he can just yolo like that

[stray yew]

what was igs 1st pick even

no hero looks like 1st pick hero

their draft makes no sense

[jolly crane]

no clue

[stray yew]

undying or mars i guess

pretty sure ar either 1st picked tiny or lesh

coz thats good 1st phase heroes

ar should win this game i think

shouldnt they?

their pick is so much better, unless morph is real ahead

as long as ww is alive they cant play dota

[jolly crane]

that pos3 wyvern is too strong imo

almost every fight ive seen so far

a cold embrace just completely ruins an initiation

or delays a kill super long

[stray yew]

they have little backline jump

unless ww gifts them fight

so they can arena + ember jump him

then idk how can IG play

[jolly crane]

ye im guessing that wyvern was a late pick

or IG thought it was a support and felt they can pick her off

but it completely ruins every fight

fy can play so aggressively every fight cuz faith bian always has his back

[stray yew]

morph is quite ok vs void

but its all about catching ww

[jolly crane]

[stray yew]

is it over

coz watched diff game

pretty sure this game was sealed like 10 mins ago tbh

ar will win

[jolly crane]

wyvern died without buyback

then tiny got killed insta

ig went highground 5v3

lost 4people

[stray yew]

void 25 now

this is mega over

no idea why ar lets them have rosh

[jolly crane]

this game

[stray yew]

lmao

ember buyback tho

[jolly crane]

weird game for sure

[stray yew]

if mars gets the brooch rapier going on

it gets real weird

but im pretty sure ar shouldve had this game with this fight

they just let them have bottom rosh for free

when they could get it themselves

with buybacks + tps to that outpost

but instead they let them have it for free

void refresher too now

i feel like they should buff creeps when you push side of rax

i think they're so w/e late into the game

unless you're getting them minute 20 when your heroes are weak

[jolly crane]

im not quite sure

what AR is waiting for

feels theyre oemga passive

think if wyvern hits 25 they just win

[stray yew]

lmao ig

aegis expires in 15s

time to go fight

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

that mars

will one shot someone

[jolly crane]

clowny game

if they win

cause JT onetaps the void

thatd be hilarious

[stray yew]

imagine if he just backtracks

and chronos him

and he dies

lmao fy

almsot one shot

HAHAAHA

what a fucking clowny game

[jolly crane]

almost oneshot

[stray yew]

i love it

[jolly crane]

the tiny

[stray yew]

HAHAHAA

and insta died

its joever

[jolly crane]

tiny living with like

2hp

was kinda unfortunate

[stray yew]

that yopaj guy from sr

is insane

whenever i watch sr game he pops off

every time

[jolly crane]

ye hes kinda

pretty sick

new abed

[stray yew]

@jolly crane did you watch that secret game

[jolly crane]

nah

trying to farm my items in last epoch

but they wont drop

[stray yew]

im playing solo queue in dota

my mid and offlane

[jolly crane]

thats what oyu get

for not playing with me

[stray yew]

im in pain

playing this game

[jolly crane]

its alright

i know you hate me

just cuz im german

[stray yew]

i hate myself more

all g

@jolly crane https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1b1gc3x/faith_bian_renamed_after_n0tail_and_ceb/

have you seen that

[jolly crane]

actually

500iq

[stray yew]

@jolly crane

[jolly crane]

sup

[stray yew]

wanna play

[jolly crane]

ye but im waiting for food

and havent played in forever

[stray yew]

dont think i care

not like im playing meta heroes or anything myself

how long do you need to wait

[jolly crane]

mhhh no idea

maybe 30min

just go without me 🙂

[stray yew]

and then

ill hear i dont wanna play with you

[jolly crane]

hahaha

i know youd say that

[stray yew]

[stray yew]

all eu teams out

[humble yew]

CHINA #1

[jolly crane]

oh yeah

love to see 9 wins in like 40 games plyaed

with the rest being almost entirely draws

[stone geode]

[rugged cipher]

guess i have to set insania straight next time i meet him at the supermarket

[stray yew]

not a huge fan of this format tho

its grp stage into grp stage

• its online

[rugged cipher]

all the teams just bootcamping in eu and playing online?

[stray yew]

ye

actually no

some players were playing from home i think

coz you could see on cam

or maybe they are just playing from some hotel?

not sure

everyone is in eu tho

i think its almost a norm after last ti tho

most players live in eu/close enough to have decent ping for pubs at least

coz its jhust best quality of prac

[humble yew]

here we go for another week of group stage

[manic ermine]

I don't mind it because we get to see all teams face each other at least once

There are tournaments where teams get to dodge each other and never play

[humble yew]

ye true but idk it feels like games dont have that much stake

glad to watch some dotka anyway

[jolly crane]

swiss system still best

groups for seeding into swiss into playoffs

[jolly crane]

what was that fight for falcons

felt like they were all just

full afk

[jolly crane]

this weaver feels supremely useless

[humble yew]

damn i missed gg vs falcons

[humble yew]

yataro morph @stray yew

very good pick there

[stray yew]

ill watch later

[jolly crane]

fucking hell yatoro

how

[stray yew]

naix turns out to be extremely powerful

idk why

open wounds good shard

[jolly crane]

i mean his aghs is insane

and his shard i suppose

[stray yew]

ye aghs is crazy

[jolly crane]

but it felt like

he did no damage

[stray yew]

into some matchups

[jolly crane]

but still leeched a lot

[stray yew]

they have sven

that gives a fuckton of armour 😄

maybe its one of these

thats bugged

and it does pre reduction leech

because fuck knows why

game is a mess

[jolly crane]

felt like they were both hitting each other for 0 damage

but ye i thought hed just die

once his rage ran out

[stray yew]

idk what his talent choices are

but there used to be insane 25 talent

that extended rage i think

[jolly crane]

cd on rage i think

[stray yew]

ye either cd or duraation on rage

dont remember

[jolly crane]

oh its 1.5sec rage duration, ye

so its 7.5sec duration, 17sec cd

[stray yew]

ye if he goes bkb

you can have it back to back

so its rage - bkb - rage

basically 20s bkb

[jolly crane]

ye

well, almost

[stray yew]

like old dota 1 naix lmao

[jolly crane]

theres a bit of downtime but if you plya it well with infest

[stray yew]

that had long bkb on ult

[jolly crane]

can definitely be immune for a long time

[stray yew]

ac is such a stinker item

[jolly crane]

and ig sven didnt have gods strength anymore

collapse is missing a lot of spears

2nd time that crit lives

cuz of missed spear

[stray yew]

how is tiny living that

[jolly crane]

bat used flamebreak

so the spear missed

but also, 30 armor hero

[stone geode]

remember when tiny had 0 armor

[jolly crane]

you mean before he skills ult?

[stone geode]

[jolly crane]

but ye, that fight in front of roshpit, the tiny lived as well

cuz collapse missed spear on crit

and then he does double ava

and it turns the fight

[stone geode]

just finished dead space 2, guess its time to watch dotka

after a few months break

[jolly crane]

dunno if i like the falcons draft/itembuilds

its basically all in on sven

puck has no damage

[stone geode]

zven op

just cleave all 5

[jolly crane]

ye but naix hardcounters these solocarry drafts

naix aghs

[stone geode]

been a while since ive seen a naix game

[jolly crane]

that was

really weird by falcons

why walk out of base with 2 people like that

[stray yew]

i think its bad that rax dont matter anymore

its either megas or its w/e

[stone geode]

I dont even remember parasma existing 😛

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

its relatively new item

[jolly crane]

think we had that convo a while ago already

[stray yew]

added in this patch i think

7.35

and we're on 7.35c rn

[jolly crane]

super creeps just arent strong

they just give less gold

but thats w/e in a much bigger map

[stray yew]

arguably its better sometimes for weaker team

[jolly crane]

where theres too much gold anyway

[stray yew]

coz they can farm more gold

[jolly crane]

yep

[stray yew]

from pushing lanes

[jolly crane]

imo supercreeps should spawn

[stray yew]

but ye unless you're getting raxed 20 minutes in

[jolly crane]

catapult every way or smth

[stray yew]

where your heroes are weak

its w/e

[jolly crane]

so ignoring it actually does serious damage to your base

ye, waveclear is a lot stronger now

[stray yew]

rax 45 minutes in means nothing

[jolly crane]

you no longer have to worry about

not clearing a wave after minute X

due to scaling

[stone geode]

puck rapira

[stray yew]

did spirit just lose

[jolly crane]

puck finally doing damage with that rapier

[stray yew]

puck lategame is impossible to kill

[jolly crane]

ima also be honest, i dont like refresher refreshing bkb

[stray yew]

its ok

bkb is very balanced right now

[jolly crane]

feels like

double bkb in fights is still meh

many heroes become useless as a result

this lion isnt doing shit anymore against double bkbs

[stray yew]

falcons is having insane honeymoon period

just like gaimin last season

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

they are 2-0'ing everyone

[jolly crane]

crit seems to like

actually be motivated to play

compared to his SR rtz years

[stray yew]

i mean sr doing much better too

buti ts grp stage idk

they always be doing good in grp stages

[stone geode]

huge turn with the puck

[jolly crane]

@stray yew tuning into petko between matches

https://gyazo.com/a36a792459a367c247f3d500a72a0bbe

[stray yew]

[stray yew]

pause

esl snitch

[worn drift]

Lmao

He disconnected

[stone geode]

luna rapier xdd

[worn drift]

ye i just realized how insane new rapier is on carries that do dmg with spells too

[stone geode]

hoho haha

lets go

[jolly crane]

its crazy on luna with the shard

[worn drift]

ye

[jolly crane]

khanda sniper wins again

[stray yew]

@jolly crane

[jolly crane]

[humble yew]

[rugged cipher]

this double rapier pa

[humble yew]

man

this game

insane

[jolly crane]

that lesh

just died to 2 daggers

so fucking ridiculous

[rugged cipher]

can lotus reflect dagger so he crit himself to death?

[jolly crane]

reflected spells lose any passives affecting them

so he cant crit himself

it'd still do a decent amount of damage tho

[rugged cipher]

stashed other rapier also

[jolly crane]

ye

hes gonna hit 30 soon so

not gonna be fun

think the swapping of bkb/bf

is just not great

now that theyre leaving base more

gonna be full linkens+mirror shield gaming i feel

but doubt its enough, GG kinda doesnt have a lot of burst anymore

wonder if GG wouldve been able to finish the game if they didnt fountain dive and lose 3 people for it

the problem is basically

that GG has to itemize so defensively

theyre kinda lacking the damage to bring any of these heroes down quickly now

even if they get like a ~1sec lasso on someone

theyre not gonne die with the 5k hp on omni/kunkka

the triple midas post 60min just to get XP is such a meme

[rugged cipher]

wasnt it just to guarantee last items before gg push when stuck in base

[jolly crane]

nah i think its mostly

to hit 25

or 30

mega creeps give basically no XP

the one problem for spirit is that they dont really have another hero that can hold 2 lanes of megas

so they cant just go out of base with 4 people to find some pickoffs

and GG is just trying to get everyone to 30

and then its just gonna be over

in a 10 second fight

[rugged cipher]

rofl bot x for backdoor tower

[jolly crane]

ye this is unironically

gonna be a worry for GG cuz

they can keep doing this

so they cant just splitfarm the map anymore, they gotta do smth

[rugged cipher]

sunsfan

[jolly crane]

hes losing it

glad hes the one casting this game

cant imagine some other duos

would literally fall asleep

[rugged cipher]

weaver

what was even the plan

[jolly crane]

bait fortification

and then yolo throne

with triple edict

@stray yew you watching this?

i woudlnt be surprised if GG just tap out after their next attempt, whatever that looks like

100 more minutes and well have the new longest game in history

so they just do it again after respawning

and its over

finally

[manic ermine]

How do ppl manage to spoil the ending 3 mins ahead of the stream?

[rugged cipher]

betting sites

[jolly crane]

also just

people like to show they know more than others

[manic ermine]

And why do betting sites get earlier access?

[jolly crane]

they dont

its just the stream has a delay

its like 3min or smth

so the moment the match actually finishes

the result is known

from people at the venue, the teams etc.

the api tracking sites also have the result before the stream shows it, depending on delay

[manic ermine]

I see

[jolly crane]

3min is actually on the low-end

[rugged cipher]

most ppl just see real time updates on betting sites who got things like this i imagine

[jolly crane]

ye thats just game api stuff, or they might be running proprietary tech on one of the observers due to having sponsoring deals for that specific tournament etc.

betboom specifically

[rugged cipher]

cs is unwatchable with chat due to spoils

[jolly crane]

https://gyazo.com/a9073a174d01efbbe9baa1539a5b8caf

but ye weird game, spirit was content just staying in base it seemed, dunno what their wincondition was

like i said before, their waveclear was just kinda garbo

with neither kunkka nor omni itemizing to clear 2 waves

[jolly crane]

quinn not having a good time this game

almost getting outfarmed by th ench

https://gyazo.com/0d0c75bd4c059165a97379b03c099292

[stray yew]

just came home @jolly crane

if lina had game they'd get 5-0'd on spirit i think

spirit throwing

wtf are they doing

[stone geode]

[stray yew]

yatoro was lucky he didnt get rooted 1st time after they killed centaur

and decided he'll go in again

[stone geode]

spirit didnt execute fights well even when they were 10k ahead

hard game now

[jolly crane]

just centaur failing his stomps

multiple times

[stray yew]

ye

and pushing hg is stupidity

[stone geode]

[stray yew]

[stone geode]

I cant

[jolly crane]

this is just

game of throws

insane

[stray yew]

gg throw isnt even close to that idk

[humble yew]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-shocked-monkey-disappointed-disappointed-monkey-gif-25631537

[stray yew]

spirit just does it on some stupid individual mistakes

gg at least does it on team decision on how they fight i guess

minute 60:20

throne explodes

so there is no t5 items

[humble yew]

we didnt have a better throw since bzm 2 days ago

now we got yatothrow

[stray yew]

yatoro just clearly not in prime form

if he was in ti form he wouldve won these games lmao

maybe he wont ever get the peak form he was in last ti

[rugged cipher]

he just needs to shave his head

[stray yew]

bb vs falcons right now

arguably 2 strongest teams right now?

they make it look not even close

[humble yew]

ye most likely

[stone geode]

gym time soon, unlucky

[jolly crane]

i honestly feel

yatoro played well both games

collapse is slacking

he hard-fumbled that game2

and his itemization in game1 wasnt it either

[manic ermine]

Collapse has been a bit off in general I feel

He tends to win lane and appear top networth in mid game but then becomes silent and falls off

[jolly crane]

i mean he controlled that game2 super hard in the early

he just fumbled a few times by cancelling his hoofstomp

with itemcast

[stone geode]

you cant hoofstomp -> blink, right?

[jolly crane]

nah

its just one of those spells that gets cancelled on item cast

cuz its castpoint is so fucking late

or rather

it has an instant cast time

but a windup

so you cast it successfully, but then it doesnt hit/consume mana for another 0.5sec

which is really weird cuz you also cant attack during it

but ye the problem is you blink, stomp, and if you use bkb or some other item with shift queue after, you still cancel your stomp

[stone geode]

wait OG beat xtreme yesterday?

I went to bed after 2nd game

[stone geode]

primal mid

[jolly crane]

https://old.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1b6tqgc/yatoros_morphling_vs_ames_morphling/

this is fucking gold

@stray yew as a morph enjoyer

this is for you

[stray yew]

[stone geode]

what is that sunder

surely you dont do that

[stone geode]

"ill just finish watching this game"

[worn drift]

insane LSA

[stone geode]

BB vs Spirit, should be interesting

[rugged cipher]

bb got so rolled that fight

[stone geode]

I dont understand whats happening in this game

[stone geode]

23 cabbage morph

[jolly crane]

this ame ursa

is not having fun

[jolly crane]

this lina feels completely useless this game idk

[stone geode]

didnt get to hit in fights until this medusa bb fight on top

[stray yew]

i cant get invested into 2nd grp stage idk

why not just make it playoffs after 1st grp stage

its 8 teams anyway

perfect for playoffs bracket

[stone geode]

need more watch hours

[jolly crane]

wtf

is aurora doing

[stone geode]

[jolly crane]

but ye fully agree

[stone geode]

lina no buy xxd game

[jolly crane]

idk why ESL is so fucking insistent

on these super short playoffs

[stray yew]

i think it wouldnt be so bad

if we didnt have so few tournaments 😄

coz having one tournament like that

[stone geode]

in live tourneys its been because the stage is too expensive

[stray yew]

wouldnt feel so uhm exhausting?

there is esl one birmingham lan soon

1,5-2 months away

[jolly crane]

idk this lina

felt completely useless

gleipnir into LSA into watching

[stray yew]

also supposedly people datamined patch with new hero coming in a day or so

they datamined it to be 8th of march

[jolly crane]

[stray yew]

but ye thats just datamined

maybe its bs yaknow

its weird tho, we're only on 7.35c i think

patches usually go to e-f

@jolly cranei think some guy from enemy team did some bug server abuse shit to me

we were hitting their throne

and game crashed and was not scored safe to leave

legit hitting their throne

[jolly crane]

ye

the entire

full team DC shit etc.

still happens

[manic ermine]

They have consistently announced major patches ahead of schedule tho

So I doubt

[jolly crane]

ET doing work

[worn drift]

Support tb

Kek

[stone geode]

its been picked a few times

I think it won in both games I saw it in

[stone geode]

troll warlord gaming xdd

[jolly crane]

is gorp on a smaller chair or

[stone geode]

he is praying to gaben

[stone geode]

im a sniper fan

lets go XG

[jolly crane]

PA gaming

[stone geode]

[jolly crane]

idk

rapier PA is just

pretty silly

the sniper just has no items really

to punish the PA when she jumps in

[stone geode]

I just wanted a nice game and bedge before midnight

[jolly crane]

gonna be a repeat of the gg vs spirit game

[stone geode]

thats what I was thinking

[jolly crane]

but GG has a better lineup

with mag+void being able to clear mega waves

while the others run down a lane

XG not farming their lv25s is weird tho

feels like thatd be big value for them

just starve them of resources for 30min, thats what worked for GG

but ye, TB lv21, the mirana is 22

PA is hitting 30 soon

[stone geode]

I didnt even see the PA die

[jolly crane]

just instakills himself on the blademail

if this happens one more time its gg

but he misplayed that like

the LC had bkb up

while he did a brooch attack

so LC took no dam

while he onetapped himself

[stone geode]

is broach no CD just toggle or what

[jolly crane]

ye

but ye XG is just

not farming the map

[stone geode]

thought it was like muerta ult, just CD with duration

[jolly crane]

GG is gaining gold while against megas

ame lowest level on his team

book of shadows gonna be huge for GG

seer stone for LC might be sick too

sniper blademail

[stone geode]

brooo just end the game

let me sleep

[jolly crane]

oh boy

phoenix just bought midas

quinn is gonna buy back

and die insta again

[stone geode]

this observer is brain afk

long day

[jolly crane]

they have 2 im sure

aghs blur detection radius is so silly

honestly feel throwing stifling dagger should reveal PA

[stone geode]

ye

[jolly crane]

AHAHAHAHA

[humble yew]

LMAOOO

[jolly crane]

i love the instant

"try harder"

from the LC

[humble yew]

TORMENTOR

[jolly crane]

xinq doing kinda crazy plays

with the astral step

well

thats fort gone

and buyback out

[stone geode]

PA is so stupid

[jolly crane]

nice finish

insane support play

the undying buyback into refresh

for the double tombstone to save dyrachyo twice

xinq/dy doing insane plays as well

saving ame multiple times with lifts and book of shadows etc.

[jolly crane]

https://v.redd.it/se1y92ur00nc1/DASH_1080.mp4

[worn drift]

Actually cursed

Is that no buyback death

[jolly crane]

he had buyback

but was forced to use it

happened while XG did rosh

so when they pushed base, he had to buyback

and then he didnt have it in GGs basepush ~3min later

[worn drift]

Brutal

[humble yew]

https://www.dota2.com/newsentry/4115798034511524384

Copenhagen

lets go

[stone geode]

EU TI lets go

[humble yew]

I dont even wanna check the flight prices

[jolly crane]

its not that bad actually

honestly

youd prolly be able to get a trainride for ~100

could even take a bus, but its a longass ride

https://gyazo.com/9129eec17f4e79eb9c33d8b072f083e7

just randomly checking prices

but dont have to swap busses so its kinda chill

https://gyazo.com/56b927298543b7fae22db80039173910

not too bad

just 2 random autumn dates

@stray yew @plush pivot we meet for TI in copenhagen, yes?

[stone geode]

I actually have a friend who lives in copenhagen

prices dont look too bad, busses and flights are less than 100

[humble yew]

[plush pivot]

You can take my place, brother

[humble yew]

why would I

also this trip is probably way way too expensive for me

Im a broke ass fuck

[plush pivot]

Because I need visa to go to Copenhagen

And I wouldn’t get it

[humble yew]

[jolly crane]

What

I doubt it

[stone geode]

spirit kinda sloppy so far

this tournament in general, but still top 4

[jolly crane]

god

i hate morph

[stone geode]

the great escape

[jolly crane]

ame

[stone geode]

👀

XG heroes are thicc

[jolly crane]

the game of the supports

doing so much work on the sd/hood/tb/lion

im still not sure i like this zeus rightclick build

[stone geode]

still has a better game than the lesh

[jolly crane]

has there been a chrono yet this game?

[stone geode]

I dont remember seeing one

primal beast is such a fat hero

[worn drift]

Thing there was 2 chronos lol

[stone geode]

troll, razor, not sure about that

[jolly crane]

can XG stop winning with sniper please

but man ET looks insane every game i watch it

kinda makes me wanna play it again

[stray yew]

but its not khanda sniper

so its ok

[stone geode]

what even is khanda

I just know its a spell item kinda

[stray yew]

upgraded phylactery

applies your attack damage when you hit single target spell

good on morphling/tiny/luna

nothing else rly

people do some stupid rapier builds with khanda on sniepr because works with ult

but its bad

[stone geode]

watching troll ult into a mars is so painful

I dont remember the last time ive seen a troll win

[stray yew]

this is over

[jolly crane]

ye

[stone geode]

troll is just shit

idk

[stray yew]

no

[jolly crane]

i honestly feel they lost this in the early game

[stray yew]

troll is definitely not shit

[jolly crane]

when they failed thier gank on the naix like

3 times

cuz DY hit the perfect stomps every time

[stray yew]

his razor isnt doing anything

this game

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

also primal is just too behind

[jolly crane]

i feel the troll is doing well

[stray yew]

needs +1 item at this point

[jolly crane]

but spirit need to stop playing the same support duo every game

the lion/sd just dont do anything against sniper

like, legit nothing

[stray yew]

he used link on ET i think

on razor

imagine if he had razor in this fight and he could manfight vs sniper only

and razor has link on naix

instead of razor runs away and troll gets abandoned

[jolly crane]

also feel collapse just doesnt get much done anymore

fallen behind too much in farm

so hes not as tanky as he needs to be

[stray yew]

he needs to have aghs this game

[jolly crane]

hes their only teamfight disruptor

[stray yew]

idk what items he has

[jolly crane]

think at this point he needs aghs+shiva

to live

[stone geode]

he has bkb, sange kaya