DotA

[humble yew]

morplhing picker

[stray yew]

i didnt even play it that much when it was op

i pick it when its bad

im ethical

[jolly crane]

morph is never ethical

[humble yew]

I know I just love that running meme

[stray yew]

ok

[jolly crane]

see

fuck morph

[stray yew]

idk why this play works

[jolly crane]

larl and grim

didnt wanna fight

[stray yew]

that yellow guy on minimap

didnt even tihink about tping

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

[jolly crane]

finishing force or smth

[plush pivot]

where do I see those stats?

[jolly crane]

yeah idk

[jolly crane]

dotabuff

[worn drift]

lmfao

void gets 1st shard from tormentor

[stone geode]

nah its 2nd

[stray yew]

decent shard tbh

[stone geode]

they stole dire

[worn drift]

did they

didnt see

[jolly crane]

sebbe

i have

some bad news

http://puu.sh/JTkeP/23255df5ce.jpg

i played

more games with lyllot than you

[plush pivot]

[stray yew]

45% winrate

[jolly crane]

i mean

our 50.5% aint much better

below average

for me

[stray yew]

keeping it safe

doesnt help

i play dota on and off

3-6 month break

or a year break

into 3-6 months of playing a lot

[jolly crane]

apparently

i suck at rubick

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

DYRACHYOKE

[plush pivot]

Seli such hater

[stray yew]

i dont think its on him

[jolly crane]

unfucking believable

[stray yew]

its on muerta

[jolly crane]

its not on him

that he

[stray yew]

not following with silence

yes

[jolly crane]

waveforms on top of the magnus

to get RPed in full agi?

[stray yew]

he cant rp

[worn drift]

oof

[stray yew]

if he's silenced

[jolly crane]

that muerta is

way too far away

[worn drift]

p sure larl linkens'd magnus

[jolly crane]

when he goes in

[thorny fiber]

Ace jumped first tbf

[worn drift]

and magnus lived

[jolly crane]

still

what a lovely sight

[thorny fiber]

They thought they could kill mag instantly

[jolly crane]

to see full agi morph

[worn drift]

they would have

[jolly crane]

die in half a second

[worn drift]

larl linkens'd him

and adaptive didnt go off

[stray yew]

how is gg doing rosh

?

[worn drift]

cause no ults

[stray yew]

didnt they win big teamfight

[thorny fiber]

Spirits bored anyway

[jolly crane]

i mean they had roll

[stray yew]

near rosh

[jolly crane]

think spirit is just

letting them have a few freebies

[thorny fiber]

They want a challenge

[worn drift]

need to make some content

[plush pivot]

clipmaker asked yeah

[jolly crane]

truesight director said

"please no 3-0"

[worn drift]

haha

[stone geode]

what truesight

[thorny fiber]

Truesight director must work like 2 weeks a year

[stone geode]

where is 2022

[worn drift]

no one cares about tundra truesight

[thorny fiber]

It aint this hard to make a video

1+ year

When you already have all the footage too

[stray yew]

i do 🙂

[worn drift]

id watch just to listen to secret

but listening to 33 just say "okay guys i will buy wraith pact and we will never die"

useless

what a fucking chrono

[stray yew]

the real 1

lives

[plush pivot]

ru casters losing it

[thorny fiber]

Patience from yatoro

[stone geode]

2 aegis hard fight

[stray yew]

can you break enchantress even

i mean ult

i think you should be able to but who knows

[worn drift]

think you can

[jolly crane]

yes

but its

[stone geode]

that free rosh bit them in the ass

[jolly crane]

smth you only break with spells

not with silver edge

[stray yew]

nah im thinking beast aghs

[jolly crane]

cuz you cant get the attack through on her with silver edge

ye

beast aghs works

[thorny fiber]

Is silver edge a good morph item??

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

it is

[jolly crane]

pretty common item on him

[stray yew]

good to reposition

[thorny fiber]

I see

[jolly crane]

gives crit as well

initiation power

[stray yew]

also with this big map invis is super op

[jolly crane]

but hes gonna struggle with mana

[stray yew]

idk why they even remove amount of sentries

with making map bigger

[thorny fiber]

Initiation onto mag

[worn drift]

tofu so good

wk loses ult there and prob gets mag taxi'd if not for the fear

[stray yew]

idk why try

i guess desperate

[jolly crane]

not sure why you take that fight

[stray yew]

coz no way he dies

too tanky

[thorny fiber]

Fighting without mid

[plush pivot]

[stray yew]

they just wanted to get pickoff before

coz they didnt expect that

but not enough damage

[worn drift]

tofu goat

[jolly crane]

i mean thats

full RNG shot

ive hit a few of those on mirana arrows or WR powershots

[thorny fiber]

It always feels like ppl are taking these weird superforced fights vs spirit

[worn drift]

yea this might just be a 3-0

[jolly crane]

i mean

[worn drift]

sadly

[jolly crane]

enemy carry dead

[thorny fiber]

Their 22k nw hero was dead

[jolly crane]

you take that fight for sure

[thorny fiber]

Ace was dead

But ye sure

[worn drift]

ace less essential than void i think

[thorny fiber]

Just throwing bodies

[jolly crane]

the fucking zoo

15 treants and skeletons

[worn drift]

ye there was 1 fight where collapse almost got 100-0'd by skeles lol

grims really aids this game lol

ties 2 people

both them get chrono'd

2 dead insta

and since their 3 cores all go in and supps sit back

its almost always 2 cores dying

or 2 get rp'd

pick your poison

[plush pivot]

leeching one

[jolly crane]

dunno why this prophet isnt skipping mid wave

[plush pivot]

yeah, I can go to bed

[worn drift]

gg ig

[stone geode]

its joever

[thorny fiber]

Playing with their food

[worn drift]

quinn not pressing buyback

its joever

[jolly crane]

GG kinda

never had all 5

in those fights in the end

[stray yew]

bummer tbh

[worn drift]

that looked so hard to teamfight lol

[stray yew]

i wish lgd made it to finals looking at it

they matched better

[jolly crane]

@stray yew https://www.opendota.com/players/91411312/peers

im not even

on your first page

of people you played with

[stray yew]

you know

i was trolling

ok

[jolly crane]

y u hate me

[stray yew]

brb 10 minutes

i need to come up with full list

[jolly crane]

wow okay

[thorny fiber]

When was the last time we had a good TI grand final?

[worn drift]

ti10

but nah heres where

2 games for gg

i swear

[stone geode]

10 was gigahype

[worn drift]

then banger final game

80 minutes

[odd nimbus]

does anyone wanna play some dota after ti, i m around 3k mmr. i play pos5/4

[thorny fiber]

Ngl spirit is very good, but i also think they make teams play worse

[stray yew]

spirit doesnt lose bo5s

[jolly crane]

spirit and LGD always match up really well

[stone geode]

wasnt 10 also 2-0

[jolly crane]

and LGD typically matches up awfully against NA teams

[stone geode]

and then it got tied

[stray yew]

ye it was 2-0 into 2-2

[worn drift]

yep

then the last game was great one

[jolly crane]

i mean 10 was just

xiao8 drafting io twice

in a TI where they never played it before

[worn drift]

they got their tiny lycan combo last game tho

[jolly crane]

2 easy losses

[worn drift]

just gave up el magnus

[jolly crane]

i mean they beat the magnus before

and won a game with mag

in like

20minutes

[thorny fiber]

Xiaoba

Betting man

[jolly crane]

they just started the series off 0-2 cuz of io dogshit strats

[worn drift]

if you beat magnus it was cause they let you

truesight director said lose

[thorny fiber]

Pls bro

[stone geode]

3-0 for bedge

[thorny fiber]

Truesight is made by some guy in the basement of valve hq

[stone geode]

pls

[worn drift]

quinn having a series

[stone geode]

fuck quinn

[thorny fiber]

Well i think they are just playing weird

Not like they did vs lgd

Just changed their playstyle trying to adapt to something and being bad at it

[worn drift]

is it cause they changed playstyle or spirit not letting them stomp the game in 25

[thorny fiber]

Well they arent even drafting for 25 mins

[worn drift]

idk

game 1 they drafted pretty similar stuff

ld, pango, muerta 4

gyro gets online with few items

[thorny fiber]

I mean gyro

Is this hero played after the nerfs

And do ppl win with it

[worn drift]

idk

not much yu can do

when you smoke in front of treant

and he ults you

and then you get wiped

[thorny fiber]

Yes spirit plays well, as they always do

[stone geode]

yataro was right

gyro shit hero

[thorny fiber]

Panel based

They have read this chat

Classic mistake some teams make, adapt instead of playing to their strengths

Its in all of sports too, not just dota

[stray yew]

ye agree

i dont think gaimin should be trying to change

they did it entire season

and if you lose take the L

[thorny fiber]

Ye

[worn drift]

it doesn't feel like they are tryign to change tho, at least not with the heroes they're picking

they're still picking ace greedy carry 3's

picking quinn some sort of strong mid laner to have prescence

silencer was the only real ?

[thorny fiber]

Gyro?

[stray yew]

i think ace underperforming in that game was real weird

in g1

[worn drift]

i mean they aren't letting dyrachyo pick ck or weaver

[thorny fiber]

Morph?

[worn drift]

idk what to tell you

[thorny fiber]

Well looking at this game and their game against lgd, they are just making uncharacteristic sloppy plays

Its not like lgd is that much worse than spirit

[worn drift]

idk

feels like spirit are in their own world

[stray yew]

i think its not gaimin

its just spirit when its bo5 they get buff

[worn drift]

ye i mean they've been playing with protagonist buff since riyadh

[thorny fiber]

I mean GG have been rushing into bad fights in both games

Thus far

You dont have to do that to lose vs spirit

They prob beat you anyway

They are just making it easy

[stray yew]

teams just hit the form sometimes

just like gg in bigger half of the season

tundra last ti

etc

[thorny fiber]

GG 2-0’d lgd

[worn drift]

spirit looks like ti10 lgd if they didn't lose in the end

[thorny fiber]

They should be in form

[worn drift]

yea i mean, all these teams look pretty good when they aren't against spirit

[stray yew]

spirit isnt rly inventing anything tho they're rly fast to adapt to whats op and improve it

[thorny fiber]

But ye, its a Grand finals that actually matters. Prob breaking them, especially quinn. Spirit looks to have more fun playing

[stray yew]

like weaver shit/centaur shit

was from lgd

and they just imrpoved it

[worn drift]

feel like its hard to invent things in dota

especially when patch is aged

[stray yew]

there are new builds people invent tbh

[thorny fiber]

Miposhka looks like a super nerd, shame he is bad at english

[worn drift]

dont think hes as nerdy as you think

at least he doesnt give that vibe in vlogs

hes not some 🤓

[thorny fiber]

Well yes, i meant in knowledge

Not the trope

[stray yew]

i think lgd was best team when it comes to understanding the meta

they just didnt execute

i trust xiao8 on that

coz thats what he usually says

[worn drift]

xiao8 is probably most knowledgable dota person

[stray yew]

but that guy brought 3 diff teams to ti final

in diff eras

like completely diff eras

[humble yew]

and he won one

[thorny fiber]

He is the pep guardiola of dota, said it during ti10 too

[stray yew]

its like puppey

[thorny fiber]

Genius but often fucking it up on the finish line

[stray yew]

puppey won first ti

and its least of his achievement

i mean its worst achievement he has

[worn drift]

oh wtf

sb made it thru to end

this lane looks turbo weak tho

oh nvm

its grim sb

[thorny fiber]

Panda gonna have a fun time

[worn drift]

not sb tusk

[thorny fiber]

Spec

Poggies

[stray yew]

he always sleeps during drafts

tbh

even when they were stomping majors

[thorny fiber]

3-0

[stray yew]

ye most likely

i gave up on the game

bummer

[thorny fiber]

Global AA spec pog

Seems like a 2010 pub combo

[worn drift]

this is a gg tho

sb free lane

dazzle mid

[thorny fiber]

Team spirit just started to give a shit when the money got real

”Ramping”

They were sleeping before riyadh

[worn drift]

nah

they were training larl

larl online and its over

[stray yew]

has tofu played anything else than muerta

past 20 games

i feel like he always plays it

[worn drift]

muerta player

pre-tip b4 kill

fuck

[stray yew]

someone hand over razor to yatoro

his hair is growing back too fast

[worn drift]

lmfao

[humble yew]

dyrachyo wants blood

ends up dead

while he could have bingchilling bot

[stray yew]

he should be joining fights like that

thats why you pick spec

[worn drift]

ye its the op part of spec

cow is ramping tho

holy shit that was a fail

[stray yew]

i hope team like lgd doesnt swap players

or that they disband again

lots of promise in that roster

that niu guy on centaur was crazy tbh

[stone geode]

pls no more games

[thorny fiber]

More ppl should pick spectre

Love this hero

[worn drift]

idk why dazzle didnt get midas

isnt that item too strong on him

[stray yew]

people saw it lose every game in last 3 games

i wonder how influential that is

for teams

i think if it goes to game 4 spirit bans brew

[stone geode]

this game is over

and I go bedge

hope for no reverse sweep

[ancient harbor]

@stone geode WAKE UP HONEY TEAM SPIRIT IS DOING IT

[stray yew]

why overextend this much

[stone geode]

[worn drift]

right like

they missed every button

and still go

once dazzle gets shard i thikn this games fucked

[ancient harbor]

fucking hell collapse

how does he walk around with the weight of his balls dragging him down

[worn drift]

ahahaahhaa

[humble yew]

sb

[ancient harbor]

[worn drift]

dazzle really needed midas this game

big mistake

now he has pos 4 muerta nw

[ancient harbor]

his ulti still works on midas right?

[worn drift]

ye i was pretty sure they would still win this

but i didnt think the game would flip this fast

[stone geode]

sloppy

[worn drift]

but ig gg are trying their hardest to lose

[humble yew]

bara gaming

[worn drift]

ight gg

[humble yew]

[stone geode]

spirit is so good

[worn drift]

ye

so happy for larl

took the hate and became better

[thorny fiber]

Dyrachyo got exactly 0 use from that orchid?

Bought it and then lost vision and his potential to gank, Unfortunate

[ancient harbor]

ggwp

[worn drift]

gg

[stone geode]

its joever

[stray yew]

ye very over

they just gave false hope its gonna go to game 4

[ancient harbor]

kinda cool they let larl pick the aegis up

[worn drift]

god damn

arena just chanting yatoro

[humble yew]

bald buff 3-0

[worn drift]

GOAT pos 1

[stone geode]

hair gone done it

good game 3

maybe tonight I finally sleep well

[thorny fiber]

GG took 2 bad teamfights, lost their vision and momentum was gone

Prob inevitable anyway, but they made it end faster. So kudos to them

[worn drift]

2 maps dropped entire tourny

[thorny fiber]

Barely played dota tho

Like this format sucked

[worn drift]

yep

[thorny fiber]

Spirit played like 3 games in 3 weeks

[worn drift]

week breaks in between each playoff round

[thorny fiber]

Its a shame because i love watching spirit games

They have to drop to LB so they can play more, in the future

[ancient harbor]

am i remembering wrong

but wasnt the semi finals also a Bo5?

[worn drift]

no

[thorny fiber]

It was not

[ancient harbor]

used to be bo5*

[worn drift]

only grand final is bo5

oh

[ancient harbor]

kk

[worn drift]

maybe idk

[thorny fiber]

Hasnt been

In the past

[worn drift]

idk how it was in past

[thorny fiber]

Only Grand final

[worn drift]

i only became dota esports fan after watching OG truesights

ti10 was first one i watched live

[ancient harbor]

ahh yeah

only finals bo5

i dunno what i was remembering

[thorny fiber]

Maybe league

[stone geode]

I watched the 1st TI

[thorny fiber]

3rd was my first

[stone geode]

1 mil prizepool

was gigahype then

[thorny fiber]

Ye

[ancient harbor]

2nd for me

[worn drift]

this prize pool kind of

but is what it is

[ancient harbor]

i didn't even know TI1 existed when it was on😦

[thorny fiber]

But i played dota since like 2006 or some shit. Just had a HoN break between dota 1 and 2

[ancient harbor]

ye same

[thorny fiber]

So i missed ti1 and 2

[ancient harbor]

then sorta fell out of it until ti2

or pre-ti2

when i got a "beta invite"

[thorny fiber]

Then hon died ti2 ish

Being able to play dota without the slow turnrates made me enjoy hon a lot

[stray yew]

same for me

[thorny fiber]

Early on

[stray yew]

i had hon/league break

before dota 2 came out

[wraith scroll]

Ringmaster =/= Puppet Master

[stray yew]

i think 1st version of dota i played was 6.10 or sth

[wraith scroll]

hopefully.

[thorny fiber]

Havent seen the abilities, but thematically it checks out

[ancient harbor]

-AP BANLIST ON NO LEAVERS

[stray yew]

ye lmao

[thorny fiber]

Muerta has some puppet master themed abilities too though, so i am unsure they go at it twice

[ancient harbor]

actually thats a lie

i played APEM

because i was a shitter

[stray yew]

ye i played apem

[wraith scroll]

Yeah I’m just assuming it’ll be like it. I really hope so. HoN has a lot of cool hero ideas that are rotting. We need them lol.

[stray yew]

a lot too

its like playing turbo now

lots of people play turbo tbh

[thorny fiber]

Ye

[stray yew]

shorter games

[ancient harbor]

yeah

turbo is comfy

[stray yew]

more chill

[thorny fiber]

I played dota allstars games

But kinda sucked

As in the league

Of dota 1

[ancient harbor]

though tbh I unironically wouldn't mind a mode like leagues aram

just 100% fight

[thorny fiber]

I want the gravity guy

Or engineer

[wraith scroll]

Flux?

[thorny fiber]

Silhouette was my favorite tho, the dota version is just objectively less cool. Fuckin bug

[thorny fiber]

Ye

Prob wouldnt mix well with dota heroes tho. HoN players were worse for sure, lot of the gameplay was built around ulti wombo combos

Flux into 3 other aoe ultis

[stray yew]

jsut give me remodels of hero

heroes

from hon

[wraith scroll]

Yeah flux was super cool. There’s just a lot of cool heroes they had and lots of bad ass designs. Would be a shame to see them rot so hopefully this is a step forward to getting some of them into the light.

[stray yew]

pollywog priest or bubbles

tbh pollywog priest has dota skin, rhasta has some frog mask

[thorny fiber]

Puppet master is very cool so i hope its similar

[stray yew]

close enough i guess

i rly like the bomb one in hon

with global ult

[wraith scroll]

Yeah I just can’t wait to be screaming into my headset to kill the puppet over and over.

It’s going to send me back in time.

[thorny fiber]

Bombardier

I really liked chipper too

The lil rocket squirrel

In a mech suit

[wraith scroll]

Hopefully this is a good late game show also. Love watching the players get a little unhinged and sloshy.

[thorny fiber]

Also the hero with lotus stuff that could pull trees to stun ppl etc

[stray yew]

deadwood?

or sth else

[thorny fiber]

Nah the small thing

But deadwood also cool

Its actually silhouette

I am thinking off

The nyx copy was named something else then

[worn drift]

the orchestral dota music is phenomenal

[thorny fiber]

Nomad and zephyr, bring em all to dota

[stray yew]

wasnt zephyr somewhat similar to dark seer?

he had ion shell type ability

he had some flying tornados around him that did damage

right?

[wraith scroll]

Lmao. Already the Late Show is off to a great start.

[thorny fiber]

Kinda ye, he just didnt do copys

And he pushed ppl in a direction, not vacuum effect

Hon was way easier to play, less micro etc and more fast paced. Most abilities were skill shots, which is where the fun was

[wraith scroll]

I never even thought about it but True Sight this year actually going to be lit.

[jade bramble]

[jolly crane]

[worn drift]

LMAO

fleet commander

[plush pivot]

happy for Spirit

they didn't even seem that excited, maybe because Finals weren't hard)

[rugged cipher]

so they only lost 2 games whole tourney

to ez

[stone geode]

its funny, gg looked like a tier above the teams they faced and then they just got owned in the finals

[manic ermine]

Spirit crushed their strat game 1 and they didn't really have any backup plan

[plush pivot]

clearly better team won, sadly 3-0 but Spirit really just dominated them

[humble yew]

3-0 grand finals are rough yeh, it is from a viewer standpoint

but I cant imagine their disappointment, esp when game 3 was going well for them at the start

[thorny fiber]

Spirit is prob a very bad match for them

GG usually wins lanes, Spirit matched them there

And GG seemed nervous, maybe even happy they got 2nd Idek. But they took fights where they missed 2/3 initial spell casts

Like missing AA blast and still went for the fight

[plush pivot]

Best story is Larl, joining TI winner team, getting all the hate, overcoming it and playing so well

[thorny fiber]

Yep

Spirits read of the game and decision making was just excellent imo

Idk how any team would beat them like they played yday

[plush pivot]

Well, see you next year

[worn drift]

When they are in good form watching them is a treat

[thorny fiber]

ye its like they know where the opponent is

prob no other game ever that has had the same read

prob yatoro god doing shot calling

like when he first came through, ppl talked about how insane he was at reading when ppl were coming to gank him

and would dodge ganks

like mohammad ali

so i just imagine he has just applied this to his entire team

[worn drift]

I am assuming he dictates the pace of the game by just telling them his item timings and when he will start playing

[thorny fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/muhammad-ali-taunt-dance-boxing-gif-11995030

[worn drift]

And then in the endgame hes probably just telling them what he wants to do and they listen

Probably the best way to play the very late game

But their whole roster is fucking disgusting

Yatoro in a different team wouldn’t look as good

[thorny fiber]

nah

i mean he went 0-3 last night

but his team played very good

also GG failed at spell casting

unfortunate for them

[worn drift]

Ye

I was like 90% sure they were still gonna win that game

Just cause sb

Is a stupid fuck hero

And they werent that behind

I was expecting a 60+ min game but gg threw so was quicker

[last scaffold]

The fact that sb was the last pick hero too

[thorny fiber]

that t2 botlane push fucked them

they missed like 3 spells

and still went for it

and then miposhka got free reign to deward and ward

game over

[worn drift]

Quinn had a really bad series

First 2 games he was just shit on completely and 3rd game even in winning game impact wasn’t felt

Ace had a game in 3rd on a really good hero

Felt like the driving force behind them winning for a bit

[thorny fiber]

ye ace is usually up there

but i think matumba had a pretty good analyze about GGs gameplay

they win lanes, then they win the game fast

if they cant win fast they lose

cus their spell casting etc is not on par with the best of the best

[manic ermine]

Quinn didn't really get last pick favored mid matchups to dominate

Spirit saved larl pick as last

[thorny fiber]

i mean he just auto picks pango anyway

[worn drift]

Larl said this in an interview with the russian media

Just like picking quinns hero super early every game

[thorny fiber]

i wonder why

[worn drift]

Wdym

[thorny fiber]

they prob picked his hero early

because

he is only comfortable on a select few

[worn drift]

Thats definitely not true lol

Just cause they pick him pango every game doesn’t mean hes a pango one trick

[humble yew]

I dont particularly like quinn but something you cant take from him

he lives for the grind

and never stopped grinding until he reached TI finals

won 3 Majors

few ppl wouldnt have bet on this when he was in quincy crew and shit

[stray yew]

just look at optic lineup with ppd

everyone is major winner/ti finalist/successfull player in general

maybe -pajkatt

not sure about him

[thorny fiber]

PPD knew

[stray yew]

ofc ppd knew

[thorny fiber]

galaxy brain

[stray yew]

he was

[worn drift]

Old god dota

[rugged cipher]

pajkatt making wr battlefury meta in dota1 on dota-league

[stray yew]

tbf

that optic lineup results

arent even half bad

considering they're losing to vp trhat was very dominant team back then

[manic ermine]

With this 2nd TI win puts yatoro as the undisputed best carry

Ame was pretty equally comparable

But this feels like the student surpassing the master

[molten gorge]

uh oh

[jolly crane]

Pajkatt kinda had his prime in dota1 and early dota2 already

[stray yew]

ye but everyone else after optic lineup still became monster player i mean, pajkatt is only 1 that didnt

he kinda stopped playing i think after that

33 ti winner/top 3 major/zai multiple good major runs, multiple good ti runs after optic/ccnc multiple major winner now and ti finalist

[jolly crane]

At the end of the day, the current meta is largely about sidelanes and pos1/3 midgame dominance, and there's just no team that can match yatoro/collapse there. Niu/shiro got pretty close, but they ran into kunkka twice.

[stray yew]

right as he left gg and he instantly made that team so much better for no apparent reason

maybe hot take but i think lgd was most knowledgable team coming into ti

[jolly crane]

Ye

[stray yew]

like thier meta understandment was the best

but spirit adapted/improved it

understanding

[jolly crane]

Lgd did the lgd thing and stopped playing what they were successful with in the early tournament

[stray yew]

understandment

idk if thats a word

[jolly crane]

Idk why they didn't pick brew anymore

[stray yew]

lgd got nerfed by the ti format

if ti format was just 1 week

they might have swept everyone tbh

coz no time to adapt to weaver/centaur

coz that guy on centaur

you 100% ban it

[jolly crane]

But considering it was the first ti for three of their players, lgd did insanely well imo

[stray yew]

ye they did

i hope they dont split

dont do stupid disband

[jolly crane]

Nts looked a bit shaky unfortunately, but he also got his mid outpicked in every game

Think people are starting to understand finally, how important nts is to lgds transition from the early to midgame

Good ti imo though. We went from the Blademail heart residentsleeper meta, to the Topteams playing completely differently

[stray yew]

no

boring shit ti

cmon seli

1st time?

[jolly crane]

Stfu

Hater

Morph picker

[stray yew]

tell me a ti

people didnt say

boring shit ti

maybe ti1 coz people didnt know yet

[jolly crane]

Ti10

[stray yew]

nah ti10 was boring and shit

magnus every game

[jolly crane]

Overall I think dota is in a decent state. But imo they need to nerf highround, nerf a bunch of shards, increase deathtimer at early levels and remove flagbearer creeps

[stray yew]

nah its worst patch ever ofc

havent you seen w33 say that

or misery maybe too

[jolly crane]

And give the first wave of creeps at 0:00 phasewalking

I agreed with them

When it was

Primal/earth etc

Every game

5 Blademail

5 heart

No fighting in midgame until people had those items

But that was just the bad teams

The top4 this ti didn't play that style

Only reason this ti kinda sucked, was the format

Usually the groupstage alone had 9 matches before main event even started. Now spirit won TI after 9 matches

[stray yew]

too many breaks for sure

[jolly crane]

Lgd didn't even play against half the teams in the tournament

[worn drift]

Understanding or comprehension is what you were going for i think

[stray yew]

ye understanding i think too

they were rly on top top

lacked experience, confidence, some teamplay maybe who knows

thats why i hope they dont ditch coz thats bummer you watch team at ti get top 4, or top 6 and be like damn they acn do something

[worn drift]

Also the only ti’s that will suck ass is some illusion or zoo meta

[stray yew]

and then they insta disband

[worn drift]

Or when its just a complete no competition stomp by 1 team through entire thing

[rugged cipher]

tourney in 1 month with all new formed teams. time for nigma to shine

[worn drift]

Lgd should stay together and bb should also stay together

[stray yew]

-kuroky +rtz

[rugged cipher]

biggest question is

will ppy keep crystallis or retire

[manic ermine]

shards are weird

like there are some super fun ones that you wanna play with

but rather buy other items

[stray yew]

he wont ever kick him coz its his son

[manic ermine]

for example I love faceless void shard

[worn drift]

[manic ermine]

but that shard purchase is super late or tormentor luck

[worn drift]

Idk why but thats funny to me

[manic ermine]

and then you have the busted shards like wd

[worn drift]

Puppey and his son

Against the world

[manic ermine]

also I dislike new cm shard

old one was better

[worn drift]

Isn’t it the

Spawn illusion one

[manic ermine]

ye

[worn drift]

And then it can break on people

And puts 2nd spell on them

[manic ermine]

like yeah it can be a farming tool and a mini force staff

but I prefer the more straight forward shard where you just moved during ult

[worn drift]

Tbh that sounds potentially really broken

[manic ermine]

that's the problem

atm it's tuned to be pretty bad

but it can become really broken

while previous shard was strong

[worn drift]

I still think kunkka shard is the most op shard in the game atm, there are some others that come close but to me its the most busted one

[manic ermine]

lemme think there's quite a lot of strong ones

tree and wd shards are broken

ursa, pa, muerta carry shards are essential

[worn drift]

PA shard is really good ye

But forced movement is just too good in dota

[stray yew]

is it because not every CHAMPION have a movement skill in same slot?

[manic ermine]

also weaver shard

[worn drift]

Its funny cuz

There is a kunkka shard in league

[manic ermine]

I really enjoy muerta because she has no mobility

[worn drift]

But its an ultimate

And it has a longer cd

[jolly crane]

Spirit was the only team to actively buy shards on many of their heroes

[manic ermine]

In return she goes hard on burst

[worn drift]

Bro they bought so many shards

Yatoro got shard from 1st or 2nd tormentor

Multiple games

[jolly crane]

Then they kill tormentor and get free shard on their carry or pos2/3

Which is big powerspike for the core

[manic ermine]

yeah I remember sunsfan pointing out how spirit always has around 4 shards minute 20

[worn drift]

Ye there was that one game

Larl on tiny

Got free shard

And it allowed him to speed his farm up and stay relevant on tiny mid

In 2023

[jolly crane]

Weaver shard is a nice farming tool but you don't wanna buy it yourself

[manic ermine]

Old riki shard was the stuff of nightmares tho

kinda miss support riki

[jolly crane]

But then you play with grim and treant and a bunch of other heroes, and they buy it themselves at 15

[worn drift]

I remember reading that the first time it came out

And i was like

[jolly crane]

Can still play it no problem

[worn drift]

“How is this not the most broken thing ever”

[manic ermine]

riki with old shard played like a sub rogue in pvp

[worn drift]

Ranged point and click medium duration sleep

[manic ermine]

shadowstep, smoke bomb, backstab, blind

[stray yew]

old riki shard, old weaver shard

that was some shit

[manic ermine]

I will say supports in pubs can be unbearable with tormentor requests

[worn drift]

I think current drow shard has potential to be broken as well

[manic ermine]

Team is scattered across the map and they want to torm and sit there afk for 1 minute

[stray yew]

its good

because it wont break your ult ever

so in theory you can manfight

(but you cant)

[manic ermine]

if you're a support that wants shard

buy it min 15

[worn drift]

Doesn’t it also make it so they cant see you

Since youre hg

[manic ermine]

dont wait for min 20 tormentor luck

[stray yew]

maybe ye

not sure

i just think biggest thing of it is you can siege hg with it

and that your ult doesnt get broken when someone is close to you

[worn drift]

If drow becomes good at any point that shard will probably get nerfed

[manic ermine]

drow feels redundant atm when muerta exists

[worn drift]

Ye muerta just has a better farming tool in her passive

Gives clear synergy with a farming item as well

Meanwhile drow you’re like hmm ig i just multishot on cd and buy clarity’s

[manic ermine]

her silence ability is also better

[stray yew]

drow can farm rly well but needs aghs

she just isnt good in the meta where every possible tanky core that wants to run at her is good

[worn drift]

Well its like 4200 gold item vs 2700 gold item

Or is javelin 1k gold

[humble yew]

1100

for javelin

[stray yew]

the strength of drow is you dont rly need damage items coz you have free dmg from ult

like real a lot

and you counter some heroes super much

but ye she hates playing into displacements/kunkkas/primals

coz they get on top of her and you cant do anything

you can join fights very early if you can just join them as they happen and flank

[jolly crane]

I was surprised we didn't see any drow

[stray yew]

i wasnt

she rly hates playing into most of the meta heroes

one of few meta heroes she was fine playing against was weaver

but spec/ck/primal/kunkka/earth spirit/even storm spirit

necro she is OKAYISH against i guess

[jolly crane]

so do many of the carries that were played, imo

[stray yew]

spectre

spec fits in decently well into this meta tbh

tanky herself

ck insanely strong carry

strongest laner out there

[jolly crane]

ye but he was also "figured out" a lot i feel

and heroes like morph didnt particularly enjoy current meta either

was played a lot tho

lost a lot too

[stray yew]

morph doesnt care honestly as much

as long as aa is banned

you can always in theory pick it

same with tb

[jolly crane]

well its a meta where every hero is tanky and every game has a vessel

[stray yew]

most players are just comfy with playing tb/morph

dyrachyo is no morph specialist id say but he played it enough to play it to decent level

throuhgout the season

[jolly crane]

main issue of drow i think is that her laning is about as weak

as spectres

not as bad but like

[stray yew]

ye that aswell

[jolly crane]

close to it, against the heroes that were played as pos 3/4 anyway

surprised we saw so little darkseer

[stray yew]

maybe he is good

people just didnt play him

there weas so much broken stuff

that some of it always had to go through

[jolly crane]

ye

think we just didnt have enough teams that were willing to experiment

or let their players play comfort heroes

and the ones that did

[stray yew]

gg did that quite a lot tbh

[jolly crane]

almost all ended up in 2-0 matches

[stray yew]

they played stuff like furion/chen

that no otheer teams did

[jolly crane]

ye but GG did it in the GG style, so its still smth i felt we had seen 50 times before in all the majors etc. 😄

[stray yew]

lgd invented the meta for the most part imo

spirit copied and sprinkled it with yatoro that could play anything ofc

as he always can

[jolly crane]

ye

i still think LGD simply blundered

giving larl kunkka both games

repositioning heroes in general have always been the bane of chinese teams, because of how precise they play. it makes them a tad bit too predictable at times, and reposition heroes just tend to fuck up the carefully set up teamfights and ganks

LGD had shit lanes in most games, but they dealt with it by just ganking and roaming properly and carefully understanding how deep they can dive or commit without it going the other way. hero like kunkka just fucks with that

[stray yew]

i think laning was their weakest point even with ame/faith bian lineup

they usually had mediocre laning at best and had to claw their way back

which they almost always did

but its all with theier drafting i think

must be some xiao8 drafting/game philosophy in general

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

coz they can play stuff like undying

with their old lineup

[jolly crane]

they give up early lane dominance for better teamfight (but only if its executed well and not too far behind)

[stray yew]

and just stomp lanes aswell

its not that they cant they just dont

[jolly crane]

iuts just a higher skill ceiling lineup, basically. but you cant do that against teams that know how to exploit early leads very well

[stray yew]

they did dominate on centaur tho

[jolly crane]

ye but i feel this patch more than any other

stomping 1 lane isnt enough

[stray yew]

but centaur doesnt lose lane

if you lose lane as centaur

its over

[jolly crane]

i think his build was interesting

and why he was stomping

cuz he maxed hoof stomp

didnt even skill retaliate

so he has a low cost high damage nuke every 10sec or so

typically went phaseboots over vanguard too

[stray yew]

centaur notably rly low armour hero

[jolly crane]

ye

kinda play it like pudge

just get ring of protection

for laning

and then instead of going tanky

you go damage

cuz no one can manfight into you

i noticed it myself as well when i play pos3 a lot atm

the vanguard rush pos3 is kinda... not that great honestly

sure, you cant die, but then they rotate on you with 3 or 4 heroes and kill you anyway. if you just get early phase boots, you run down the enemy lane under hteir tower

especially during minute 5-10

god i hope they remove that night-time bonus movespeed

[worn drift]

Why play dark seer when can pick space cow

[stray yew]

they offer sth completely diff

[worn drift]

Ye but one is like

You gotta execute pretty well

[jolly crane]

ehhh

playing darkseer isnt that hard, and he synergizes well with many of the "in your face" heroes that you just shell

for extra damage

gives you some auras

and hes a very strong anti-carry

[worn drift]

Tbh idk why they picked shit like wk 3 when stuff like dark seer was available

[jolly crane]

especially in the radi meta we had this TI, i was surprised to not see more DS

[worn drift]

I dont see benefit on wk 3

[jolly crane]

he pressures lane

darkseer typically gets out-denied against really good players

but smth like tusk/darkseer is still very playable imo

and if you play int osmth like morph, weaver, tb, alch

darkseer aghs is very very good

[worn drift]

Every wk 3 i saw looked pretty not good

Even with good lane and farm

[jolly crane]

wk pushes towers and controls lanes very well

its one of those heroes whos impact is hard to see

but when his skellies farm out half a jungle and then push a lane, thats a lot of value

and you dont need the hero to be there for it

everytime you join a fight, you just pop skellies right before and you know you wont take any objective damage while you fight

[worn drift]

Or just cow and don’t let the carry play in any teamfight again

[humble yew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymNlWxw_kiM

a lot says Yatoro ofc

must be a nightmare to play against this guy

[rugged cipher]

https://twitter.com/teamsecret/status/1718987737548624010

this is sad

explains his what seemed weird removal from og

[worn drift]

Fuck thats sad

[stray yew]

someone tell him to not quit before hitting big

[jade bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/joy-gif-27176387

[jolly crane]

he did a whole post on it

https://vxtwitter.com/Taigadota/status/1718826359605149927

not sure if its the reason he left OG tho

he talks about it as if he mentally broke down after

basically... dropped out of school, had some hope in playing dota etc. but when he last passion for that too, the gambling was the escape from a world where he didnt feel like he fit in and had no future in

[rugged cipher]

said he started by football wc which was november last year or something

so i guess he had mental breakdowns and played bad etc due to it

and then got removed later on

[jolly crane]

ye idk

[jolly crane]

http://puu.sh/JTsCN/284a1728e8.png

valve renamed the hero

[worn drift]

Ye i saw that yesterday

Pretty dope

[ancient harbor]

ye feels like a call back to the old dota 1 hero renames

[jolly crane]

https://vxtwitter.com/EvaElfie/status/1719562658540814363?s=20

i cant

[jade bramble]

[worn drift]

25k

That extra 5000 going to make a big difference

Just donate it to ukraine or some shit

[humble yew]

https://fxtwitter.com/zai_2002/status/1719680337071034496

[worn drift]

Not sure what this means

Is he mad at blitz or is that some meme

[jolly crane]

meme

[jade bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-abandoned-stinktown-gif-12351216

[stone geode]

EG released the entire roster

probably not getting a new dota2 team

[molten gorge]

Anyone got any tips for lone Druid micro

I thought it would be similar to brewmaster but it’s felt so much different

[rugged cipher]

i only had binds for like hero, bear, hero+bear depending on what u wanted to do and then there is an option for bear to do same as hero if u hold a button i guess ezpz