DotA

[jolly crane]

to have spotify open

vs what could amount to streamsniping (i dont think thats what it was, mind you.) im just applying proper logic to the decision of the TO. you cant halfass these decisions, you either give him a slap on the wrist, or punish severely. you cant have it both ways

[worn drift]

nah hes using spotify to listen to prerecorded messages from aui

big cheaters

ban 33

[jolly crane]

well they made the decision that 33 wasnt cheating, but pure was.

[worn drift]

alt tab -> dq

[jolly crane]

thats why pures team lost the series

despite winning it

[worn drift]

like i said, you wont convince me, i think its just a pussy move

[jolly crane]

so if you decide he was cheating, you gotta apply the full punishment as per the rulebook you wrote, that every player signed. its that simple.

[worn drift]

its a fair request, but they're losers for making it

[jolly crane]

i mean

yeah

if you wanna see it that way

if your one day of prep is wasted as a result and youre now facing the team in the LB, that won teh upper bracket match, then yeah, i think its fair to get the advantage you need

[worn drift]

its like a soyjack vs gigachad meme

soyjack requests pure to not play, gigachad takes on the challenge and plays it anyway

but anyway who cares

i already knew they had beef from that situation

[jolly crane]

im just surprised

[worn drift]

more important game here

[jolly crane]

that betboom is that salty about it

when they fucked up

or well, pure did

like

youre pure. you got your team fucked over in the last major. youre now playing against the same team in TI again

and you hit them with the questionmark. again.

how about he just shuts up?

[worn drift]

well

idk if you know but

initially the TO decided to not rule the result as a loss

and then they decided to rule it as a loss

and then azure ALSO requested pure to not be able to play

[jolly crane]

him being 19 isnt an excuse when he had to get told multiple times now, that he just needs to shut up sometimes. hes like the young sumail

[worn drift]

so they probably feel like they were treated unfairly

[jolly crane]

sucks

take it up with the TO

[worn drift]

especially since pure wasn't doing what he did maliciously

[jolly crane]

all fair

[worn drift]

i mean

[jolly crane]

but it doesnt take much

[worn drift]

they're russian zoomer terminally online teenagers

[jolly crane]

to not hit your opponent that you just beat with a "?"

[worn drift]

they're going to be pissed with azure

[jolly crane]

thats just bad manners

so yeah

you get that back

[worn drift]

ik you dont understand cause youre an old german man

so the bm doesnt make sense to you

[jolly crane]

AR didnt make any comments on it

[worn drift]

but put yourself in highly emotional russian kids shoes

[jolly crane]

pure re-ignited it. again.

[worn drift]

yes

[jolly crane]

so i mean

[worn drift]

becuase they are still mad about it

[jolly crane]

hes gotta deal with it

[worn drift]

they hate the people in azure ray

like i said, they will always hold a grudge about it

in their eyes what azure did was just some loser shit

its like toronto said

they used to respect them

now they dont

[jolly crane]

yeah

[worn drift]

it is what it is

[jolly crane]

they can think that

all they want

theyre totally entitled to their opinion

but maybe, just maybe, when youve already had to be told to not act like an idiot publicly repeatedly, after getting your team removed from a tourney once for acting like an idiot publicly, and getting yourself DQed another time for being an idiot...

maybe its at that point, that you realize to just not hit enter if the stuff youre typing isnt "gg"

[worn drift]

what are people going to do if he ?'s?

emo did it

people shit talk

who cares

if people have beef they have beef

[jolly crane]

theyre gonna tell you "not good enough lil bro" after eliminating you in a 2-1 series in the lower bracket

[worn drift]

okay thats fine lol who cares

[jolly crane]

pure probably does

is that a collapse mag vs lgd?

[worn drift]

oh fuck

xiao8 just had 10 different vietnam flashbacks

[jolly crane]

i think they expected it tho

after showcasing it twice

with good success

im not even sure thats a collapse mag

[worn drift]

it is

[jolly crane]

larl has 0 esports games as magnus it seems?

so yeah, guess its collapse mag then

[worn drift]

ye lol larl doesnt play that hero at all

no recent pub games on it either

so no chance

[undone dagger]

Oh boy

[worn drift]

their offlane is going to be really weak tho

oh fuck

this looks rough

[jolly crane]

they have 0 pressure

for the tinker so far

[worn drift]

ye

this is a pretty brutal outdraft

ye this is brutal

prob kunkka for larl?

[jolly crane]

ye

[worn drift]

idk

if lgd dont win with this outdraft

i dont see how they win

[jolly crane]

spirit needs their lanes to go well

[worn drift]

well their offlane is super weak

ck going to have free lane

[jolly crane]

ye if this is

ck/aa

[worn drift]

tb et is also super weak

[jolly crane]

that is.... very troublesome

and ck/grim isnt much easier

[worn drift]

this might just be a full stomp

insane outdraft lmao

both lgd side lanes are probably going to stomp

and all tinker has to worry about is X

gg

1-0

spirit has to dodge them for like

50 minutes

lmao

[jolly crane]

ive played against ck/aa

i wanted to end myself

by minute 10

[worn drift]

i expect this either be a brutal mega stomp or hour long + game

[undone dagger]

Valve would prefer the mega stomp given the schedule

[jolly crane]

ye

2am already

and 2 more series

both of which could easily be 2-1s

[worn drift]

surprised at the amount of cs spirit are getting tbh

feel like its too much lol

[jolly crane]

theyre getting kills instead

killing TB during meta in lane is

not how you want tb lanes to go

and you dont want niu to get a good lane

just like you dont want collapse to get a good game

both offlaners finishing their blink within seconds of each other

[worn drift]

collapse going to need to have a legendary magnus peformance to win this

[jolly crane]

ye

[worn drift]

like once in a lifetime legendary

[jolly crane]

if soemone can make it happen itll be him

but i dont see them finding the connection on the tinker

[worn drift]

their supp picks

are just

soooooooooooooooooooo fucking bad

sd first pick

was the worst thing ive ever seen

[jolly crane]

well they knew they were getting mag

sd is great for stacking

but ye

sd is.... a bad hero atm

among the high pickrate heroes

[worn drift]

sb wasnt even in the pool

[jolly crane]

he has by far the worst winrate

[worn drift]

if nts died to creeps there id die

[ancient harbor]

who wins late? CK or TB

[jolly crane]

usually id give it to the tb

[worn drift]

in this game prob not tb

lot of magic dmg

[jolly crane]

but im gonna give it to the tinker

[worn drift]

and no one can do anythign to tinker late

and nts is a tinker god

[jolly crane]

the raw matchup ill give to the tb but

they have aa+tinker

[worn drift]

also its shiro vs yatoro

[jolly crane]

and a very farmed centaur

[worn drift]

if it was just up to carries spirit wins this 100/100 times

but this is like

the worst outdraft of the tourny

[jolly crane]

wouldnt go that far

but i think they got a bit cute

[worn drift]

uhhhh

[jolly crane]

with the early mag pick

and gave lgd too much

giving them aa, grim and ck

[worn drift]

nah this is def the worst outdraft of the tourny

lgd gets

4 patch imba's

and a free tinker game

and spirit gets

kunkka?

[jolly crane]

kunkka was lastpick

draftwise

[worn drift]

and a signature for collapse, thatisnt good in this meta

[jolly crane]

they just got the sd

[worn drift]

like what is this et and sd man

its so bad

[jolly crane]

et very strong

vs ck

[worn drift]

if they win this

they win ti for sure

idk how you win this game

altho honestly its 10-4

but only 1k lead

typical spirit game

[ancient harbor]

yeah

even with all these kills

TS not that far behind

nvm

thats big

kinda crazy that TS is keeping up still

hows the tinker so poor

[worn drift]

his teammates are farming

oh god that was bad button pressing lmfao

larl x'd centaur and returned him to hg

fuck that was so bad

[jolly crane]

tbf they didnt have anything anyway

they already stopped attacking him when he ran back

before the x triggered

[worn drift]

nah but like

how

[jolly crane]

terrorblade

LGD just getting map control

[worn drift]

nts scared shitless

2nd item bkb into 3rd item aeon disk

[jolly crane]

spirit has crazy damage

yatoro just splitting the map so well

the way he plays around the twingate

with these illusiuon heroes

is so good

lgd certainly worried about how to push highground

and i get that sentiment

[worn drift]

ye i mean

tidal wave skewer

is insane

you can be taken away from your team 2 screens away

tinker shield gonna be cancer this game

wait how did they win that fight

[jolly crane]

nts running out of mana

[worn drift]

i still thnik this tinker will solo win the game

[jolly crane]

just needs to hit 25

if he gets relic

it gets a lot more cancerous

[ancient harbor]

oh dear

[worn drift]

oh my god

larl god

absolutely dicked

[ancient harbor]

how does he get the sunder off every time

isnt there AA ulti

[jolly crane]

sunder goes through aa ult

[worn drift]

sunder doesnt get countered by aa ulti 🙂

[jolly crane]

problem is

[worn drift]

doesnt count as a heal

[jolly crane]

shiro needs to just

not be close

he was dead with the next laser

[worn drift]

bro hes not even pressing meta

hes just using zeal

lmfao

[jolly crane]

think the kunkka is just too good against their lineup

couldve banned it

instead of bat

tinker 25 now

[ancient harbor]

moment of truth

does scan work inside the rosh pit now?

[jolly crane]

that dark portrait

[ancient harbor]

big fight

holy shit

[worn drift]

the grim ult won that fight

immedtiately

[jolly crane]

ye

portrait from

mag+tb

[ancient harbor]

how many buy back was that on lgd though

CK and tinker right?

and AA?

[jolly crane]

3

on both teams

niu

wow

[worn drift]

niu just saved the game

and grim

[ancient harbor]

N-god

[worn drift]

jesus

wow

[ancient harbor]

oh did tinker tp onto grim

[jolly crane]

ye

and then yatoro jumped on him

popped fear

[ancient harbor]

oooft

[jolly crane]

"Yatoro is by far the best carry in the world right now, so it makes sense that LGDs late game strat is to have their own Yatoro."

[worn drift]

LOL

oh god man

seer stone on tinker

[ancient harbor]

BIG CENTAUR

[jolly crane]

if that x play

wouldve worked

but also

[worn drift]

holy fuck

[jolly crane]

instant glyph

[worn drift]

loooool

[ancient harbor]

surely they need to force teh BBs

[worn drift]

thats hilarious

[jolly crane]

i think they can just

go for throne tho

[ancient harbor]

no glyphs left

[worn drift]

oh my fucking goid man

HES THE GOAT

HES HIM

[ancient harbor]

ahhhh yes xmarks push

lol the minions

[jolly crane]

nts with the hex pre-casts

[worn drift]

ck was forced to buy there

p big

[jolly crane]

ye

spirit can kinda

take it chill

do the same thing again

when they have all buybacks

bit unfortunate that megas are kinda

unwinnable

[ancient harbor]

man

tinker pushing out 2 waves of megas

[jolly crane]

it costs him a lot of mana tho

[ancient harbor]

yeah

[jolly crane]

might have to get a bloodstone

just for mana

[ancient harbor]

can drop teh aghs

[jolly crane]

nah aghs is kinda big

or you mean blessing

then ye

[ancient harbor]

nah consume*

[worn drift]

collapse is the best magnus of all time

there is no debate

[ancient harbor]

how the fuck did he find that tinker

fucking insane

[worn drift]

it isnt even close

[jolly crane]

that was so fucking close tho

that yatoro

didnt get caught

in the smoke on the lane

that was like 50 range away from breaking the smoke

[worn drift]

larl please

[jolly crane]

and then hes dead

[ancient harbor]

oh no

there's a DD rune as well

[jolly crane]

theyll just slowsiege now with x

[worn drift]

aa killed it

[jolly crane]

wait for lgd to engage

[worn drift]

hes literally just hte best in the world

[ancient harbor]

the fuck they playing out there so close

[worn drift]

by such a large margin

[jolly crane]

i mean theyre makoing it easy for him

at this point

he has a 2k range blink

[worn drift]

i mean it is true

shiro is trash

but still

[jolly crane]

shiro hasnt experienced yet

what it feels like

[worn drift]

[jolly crane]

to get magnus'ed by collapse

its a time-honored tradition

among chinese carries

[worn drift]

he just keeps doing it

[ancient harbor]

LOL

[worn drift]

hwo does he make it look so easy

[jolly crane]

well

[worn drift]

he makes magnus look like a SS++ tier character

[jolly crane]

arcaneblink+seerstone

its not particularly hard to do the harpoon/skewer or horntoss skewer

[molten gorge]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExcTA0b2I1cmZvMWE5MG1hc3N0ajJpcXB1dHViYTJhbTJ5eDBmNXZveiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/B1jkA63DZUtJpdlNFU/giphy.gif

did this get linked yet

[ancient harbor]

ggwp

[jolly crane]

good game1 i would say

[worn drift]

COLLAPSE GOAT

holy fuck

legend

[jolly crane]

kind of lost the first set of rax too early

[worn drift]

god damn man

i knew this series was gonna be good

[molten gorge]

i cant wait for kunka aghs to get nerfed

[worn drift]

xiao8 watching that on tv

[jolly crane]

ye i think

[worn drift]

probably legit getting nam' flashbacks

just watching

[jolly crane]

the kunkka was much more impact

in the midgame

[molten gorge]

bro i swear CK looked neutered

[worn drift]

thats just shiro

[jolly crane]

ET shits on ck

[molten gorge]

i dont think i saw him hit anyone for like 20 mins

[worn drift]

hes the worst player on that team

[molten gorge]

oh lmao

[jolly crane]

this is an impossible ck game

[worn drift]

but also

he was just dead

24/7

[molten gorge]

im surprised they didnt get aghs on centaur or smth as a hail mary

imagine he blinks in and carts ck out

or smth

[worn drift]

collapse was just taxi'ing him every time

[jolly crane]

like

[molten gorge]

or lets him just beat the shit out of people

[jolly crane]

say what you will but theres no way any player looks different this game

on ck

[worn drift]

yatoro would look different

[jolly crane]

nah

[worn drift]

(:

[jolly crane]

hed get

just as skewered

[worn drift]

nah

this was mega outdraft

[jolly crane]

as the only initiator

[worn drift]

for lgd

and they still lost

[jolly crane]

not really

[worn drift]

it was

[jolly crane]

i mean sure

[worn drift]

lets be real m8

it was

[jolly crane]

if you just wanna

go full spirit fanboyism

[worn drift]

its 4 patch imba's + free tinker game

[jolly crane]

then we can stop talking about it

clearly it wasnt a free game

or they wouldve won

unless everybody on lgd is trash

[worn drift]

im just saying, it was an outdraft

a pretty brutal one

[jolly crane]

if you say so

the kunkka last pick ruined a lot of the midgame wincon for lgd

so did the tb carry pick into aa

and if spirit drafts the correct heroes against the opening of lgd

it cant really be an outdraft can it

[worn drift]

whatever you say

[jolly crane]

i mean thats just logic init

[worn drift]

yea

[jolly crane]

pmuch impossible to do anything as ck in this game, you just get RPed with your illusions and then youre dead. not like youll get a pickoff on the magnus

think magnus is a very strong counter to ck

[molten gorge]

only way is to lag out the game with aghs

[jolly crane]

shiro even dodged a few RPs

with phantasm

[worn drift]

lgd's team logo actually 10/10

[molten gorge]

true

very aesthetic

[jolly crane]

just overall solid draft against ck i feel, with the et, kunkka, magnus. wouldnt surprise me if more teams let ck go through in their opening now that some teams have shown how to beat it. same for bristle

and with both spirit and lgd having played magnus with great success now

we might not be seeing any more of it

[worn drift]

i am assuming lgd will try to steal it

[jolly crane]

dunno

nts is

2nd best mag in the world so

collapse just a level beyond

[worn drift]

well unfortuanately that doesnt mean much when the #1 is like

[jolly crane]

but its a different game

[worn drift]

infinite levels beyond 2

[jolly crane]

i mean weve seen it at ti10

they easily won the game with nts mag

[worn drift]

the ratting with ex machina and X mark was vile to watch

[jolly crane]

think its just overall a hero that got nerfed very hard in its ability to engage in the midgame

when they nerfed horntoss

to be dogshit

but harpoon exists now

which adds like 400 range to your initiation range

[worn drift]

@undone dagger are you still at the arena

[undone dagger]

Yup, I hope to one day see my family again

Once today ends

[jolly crane]

[worn drift]

how was the atmosphere during that game

[jolly crane]

miras SD in the lategame was insane as well actually

just kinda

everyone played crazy good

[undone dagger]

It was stressed

[jolly crane]

think this game alone was better than all of TI11

[worn drift]

ye

[undone dagger]

You just felt everyone ready to explode

[jolly crane]

fucking

aura offlane meta

vs this

[worn drift]

id trade all of ti11 for 1 game like that

[jolly crane]

i think nts fucked up quite a bit

[worn drift]

100/100 times

[jolly crane]

with his itembuild tho

[worn drift]

isn't tinker supposed to buy shiva every game

[jolly crane]

ye

[worn drift]

ye i was confused why he didnt buy that

[jolly crane]

well, shiva is kinda not that great if you cant stay in the fight

which he couldnt, cuz mag

but he also didnt pick rocket stun

at 25

[worn drift]

also bought eblade against an almost already bought nullifier

[jolly crane]

which is a big ? from me

[worn drift]

oh

whats the other talent

cause rocket stun is fucking cancer

xiao8 will come back with a fury

[jolly crane]

its +80dmg on laser

[jolly crane]

good copypasta

[worn drift]

ok ye

80 dmg on laser

vs rocket stun

he trolled there

[jolly crane]

i think he couldve potentially just

played shivas and more of a battle tinker

with eblade

[worn drift]

i actually think xiao8 will bait them to pick magnus again

and do the ol rubick

[jolly crane]

was more of a pub build that he played

fully expect magnus to go through now

unpicked

[worn drift]

or that

[jolly crane]

unless spirit firstpicks it

lmao

[worn drift]

it really feels like dota is undominatable without a pos 3 like collapse or niu tho

[jolly crane]

there we go

ye

[worn drift]

like you can play

[jolly crane]

you cant win

[worn drift]

and have decent results

[jolly crane]

or play the game properly

[worn drift]

but if your pos 3 isn't a god

[jolly crane]

if you dont have a s-tier offlane

[worn drift]

you'll never dominate

[jolly crane]

so theres really only like

3-5 teams that can play at any given point

33, niu, ace, collapse

pure

[worn drift]

yep

spirit want sb

they want the cow bad

[jolly crane]

likely gonna see a tide or axe

to disrupt the mag initiation

that was only the 2nd game lgd lost this TI

have to take out the nightstalker again imo

[worn drift]

god i hope this isnt willow 1

that sounds fucking awful into mag

fuck

spectre is a hero shiro is pretty good on

[undone dagger]

Shiro is the only one who can play spec well

[jolly crane]

im surprised kunkka

isnt banned earlier

this hero is so disgusting to play into

[worn drift]

tbh i think they were considering kunkka or sb

but they banned sb cause demon banned

idk the invoker ban tho

is kinda shit

rather ban kunkka

[jolly crane]

collapse axe probably

or tide

nightstalker for niu probably

[worn drift]

ye they like pairing spec and ns

[jolly crane]

welp

[worn drift]

nvm

[jolly crane]

both banned now

unlucky

[worn drift]

plz jsut

no willow 1 here

[jolly crane]

brew for niu then#

[undone dagger]

I've been super unimpressed with morph so far

[jolly crane]

same

but yatoro can make anything work

[worn drift]

dont like morph either

feel like lgd draft should win here again

but idk

this kunkka honestly

is so broken

[jolly crane]

think spirit doesnt wanna go late this time

[worn drift]

definitely not

[jolly crane]

spec is gonna have a horrible lane tho

[worn drift]

ye the bad thing as well is

they don't really haev great like

shadowstep setup

outplays mid

[jolly crane]

spirit gonna steal the stack

which is

nasty

[worn drift]

this spec build is uhhhhh

new

[jolly crane]

nah

[worn drift]

hes really just

[jolly crane]

not new at all actually

[worn drift]

relying on shadowstep to farm

i mena

he went vessel no boots

[jolly crane]

ye

[worn drift]

no ones done this

[jolly crane]

i mean it was the build like

2-3y ago

[worn drift]

vessel rush no boots?

[jolly crane]

wd not 6 yet

[jolly crane]

ye

i mean maybe not no boots but like

playing spec as more of a teamfighter

[worn drift]

ye i mean i dont believe you in that there were spectre players making vessel before power treads

[jolly crane]

[worn drift]

if you watch him farm

hes like

killing a camp every 30 seconds

like it takes him 30 whole seconds to kill a medium camp

hes basically just banking on his team getting him sstep kills

[ancient harbor]

[jolly crane]

https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/6675804860

took me

2 minutes

to find ame playing

vessel before treads

[jolly crane]

100%, yeah

but thats the best option he has

[worn drift]

seems like

it was bad

and shiro shoulda seen this game

[jolly crane]

ye i mean its clearly a play you make

when youve got an awful lane

this is the best way he can contribute basically

hes keeping up fairly well

all things considered

hes progressing items, just not nearly as well as collapse/yatoro obviously

[ancient harbor]

i can't watch anymore

[jolly crane]

im gonna say

a carry like ame or yatoro

wouldve noticed the treant siphoning his XP

kunkka shard

[worn drift]

miposhka just fucking lgd

[ancient harbor]

why pick magnus when you can have both morphling and magnus

[jolly crane]

yatoro almost double the networth

of shiro at this point

[worn drift]

ye i mean

[jolly crane]

gonna be on niu

to remove the entire networth of a hero

with a good doom

[worn drift]

once he committed to vessel

he was never coming back into the game

[jolly crane]

i mean

hes doing pretty well all things considered

hes almost back to the kunkka networth

its just yatoro who is obscenely farmed

insanely good teamfight

considering how far behind they were

[worn drift]

lmfao

doom morphling

just beating the shit out of him

that looked so funny

[jolly crane]

wouldve been a good fight if they managed to pop the aegis

but ye

the willow kinda stronk

shiro pmuch fully recovered at this point, if we're discounting the 10k yatoro lead. but same farm as the ck who got an ultra kill and had a free lane

starting to have to worry abotu the spec dmg

[worn drift]

ye hes like a regular carry now

can play the game

[jolly crane]

ye

[worn drift]

nice brambles

[jolly crane]

ye

[worn drift]

actually hitting where hes tping

[jolly crane]

this is why

[worn drift]

props to mira

finesse

[jolly crane]

treant is a 100% ban honestly

he does so much

even in the moments where he literally stands still on the map for a minute

such a pleasure to watch yatoro play

[undone dagger]

Yatoro

[jolly crane]

the level of confidence he has in his play. tbf he has almost double the networth of the other carry, but ye

he always plays like this

[worn drift]

i dont think its bcuz of that

hes always like this

he knows the limits

[jolly crane]

ye for sure

[ancient harbor]

is there a win condition for LGD?

[jolly crane]

but he can get punished for it

[worn drift]

for sure

spirit is actually capable of losing this

easily

still

[jolly crane]

if he doesnt have 15k networth lead

[jolly crane]

get a pick on the willow, doom on the morph or kunkka

[worn drift]

LMAO

ck morph illu

[jolly crane]

morph phantasm

[worn drift]

just kicked the shit ut of wd

thats so fucking funny

[ancient harbor]

lmao

surely you just call gg now

how do you mentally recover from that

[worn drift]

dude

[jolly crane]

if yatoro dies there

thats kind of a big play

but hes just too farmed

the last fight in btotom jungle was just very split

they doomed the kunkka but didnt kill him

they kinda need the WD ult

[worn drift]

dd

[jolly crane]

ye

dd rune is just

i hate it

said it many times

[undone dagger]

Obviously Yatoro was the stand out but Mira and Larl had an incredible series

[worn drift]

larl kunkka is god tier

[manic ermine]

Seeing nighfall and yatoro morph on the same day shows quite a gap

[worn drift]

yatoro pretty much competing for goat status rn

[jolly crane]

i dont even think so

like obviously

hes the carry. he carried.

[molten gorge]

They just left him to farm for 25 mins

Lmao

[worn drift]

larl having this strong pick he always executes on is so good for them

[jolly crane]

but this game wasnt won by him carrying with a 15k networth lead. miras willow and the kunkka won them the key fights

which gave him the 15k lead

yatoro had a much much harder game in game1

and he was mvp there imo

together with collapse

[worn drift]

he makes tb look a lot better than anyone else

he actually plays melee tb lol

[jolly crane]

he makes any hero look better

but its because he has compelte faith in his team

[worn drift]

he kills ppl in melee form and just uses meta to hit structures

[jolly crane]

to do what he needs them to do

[worn drift]

hes like the only person ive seen do it

[jolly crane]

i.e. that game1

they lose

[worn drift]

he played melee tb vs drow in taht series vs liquid

into drow as well

that was the 1st game i saw it

[jolly crane]

if the shadowdemon doesnt get a dozen insane disruptions

[worn drift]

but ye i mean

yatoro is as good as his team allows him to be

[jolly crane]

theres a reason spirit wasnt a top team earlier this season

if they win TI, its because they managed to make larl into a ti-winning mid in the matter of ~9months

[worn drift]

^

[jolly crane]

and LGD is looking insanely good

for having 3 very new players

[worn drift]

you have to ban kunkka i think

[jolly crane]

ye

[worn drift]

its so difficult to play vs them bcuz theres so many powerful heroes they all can play

and then theres also imbalanced heroes in the meta

like sb

and bristle

[jolly crane]

this is the first TI for niu, shiro and planet. for most of them its only the 2nd or 3rd big LAN event

they played bali, riyadh, and now TI

[worn drift]

niu is giga good

i actually think everyone on that team is giga good except shiro

[jolly crane]

shiro has a big future as well i think

[worn drift]

but maybe he levels up

like larl did

[jolly crane]

ye like

shiros first proper tournament

was lina major

man is 22

has an easy 5-6years of pro dota ahead of him

so even if they go like

3-1 or even 3-0 against spirit in grand finals for example

and come in 2nd

thats still an insane performance

[worn drift]

id agree if the competition this year wasn't so...

not amazing

[jolly crane]

well

they beat GG in groups

they beat 9pandas

they beat azure ray, and likely gonna beat either gg or AR again

they didnt match against liquid or betboom but like

[worn drift]

would you say 9pandas are even in close to "good" form

[jolly crane]

theres no doubt in my mind they wouldve beat those too

no but they were still considered one of the top teams this tourney

well

coming into this tourney

[worn drift]

idk man like i know you guys are tired of me saying shit like this but these teams aren't showing performances that look good, there are 2 teams in this tourny that show clean gameplay, LGD and spirit

everyone else does some ridiculous noob throws every game

[jolly crane]

i dont disagree

but it wasnt any different

in previous TIs

in fact it was worse

we had many TIs where only the winning team showed clean execution, drafting and performance

and we had quite a few where even the TI winner seemed sloppy, one dimensional or just overall kinda weak

[worn drift]

idk

i felt like ti10 the competition was super high

[jolly crane]

i cant remember a TI

where the overall level of performance was higher

[worn drift]

ti10 there was like

6 maybe more teams in great form

[jolly crane]

idk

ti10 had

invictus gaming as 4th place

secret as 3rd

vici and VP as 5th/6th, those were worlds below lgd/spirit in performance

[worn drift]

idk i remember insane games of spirit vs vp

vs secret

[jolly crane]

the og/liquid TI was beyond dogshit

[worn drift]

lgd kinda made everyone look like noobs

on their way to finals

[jolly crane]

ye

lgd just threw the finals hoenstly

picking io twice

which they didnt play before at all

giving away 2 games

then they beat the magnus

then they pick it themselves, roll over spirit in 24min

for 2-2

and then have one final game where they fall short, barely

i felt like

the overall game quality in the TIs where OG won, where liquid won

were a lot lower than they are now

dota in general is being played at a higher level, its just that mistakes are also much more costly

[worn drift]

ti11 i agree tho was pretty ass

competition wise

[jolly crane]

ti11 was aura meta

the 2 og wins were just illusion meta

with naga/tb dogshit every other game

but ye

spirit just plays the map better than other teams atm

controls their towers better

[worn drift]

spirit lost no towers that 2nd game

[jolly crane]

theres been multiple games like that for both lgd and spirit

both teams are very good at keeping their towers

[molten gorge]

26 tower damage

The whole game

[worn drift]

jesus

[jolly crane]

i mentioned it a few days ago

how lgd still had their bottom t1 standing

moinute 51 or smth

in one of their longer games

[worn drift]

that 1st game was so hype

[jolly crane]

even the 2nd game was like

couldve easily gone the other way

[worn drift]

ye they were fighting pretty well with what they had

[jolly crane]

the morph was just a tiny bit too farmed

i wanna see that statistic

for maybe

[worn drift]

ye he was a tiny bit too farmed and spectre was a tiny bit too underfarmed

xiao8 probably not going to sleep tonight

he has to prep for whoever wins this, and then also figure out how to beat spirit

[molten gorge]

There’s supposed to be a big patch after TI right?

[worn drift]

usually is

[jolly crane]

the fuck

naga firstpick

[worn drift]

probably confident

[jolly crane]

https://old.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/17imnoz/zai_centaur_in_the_revenge_game/

fml

that got me

[worn drift]

lmfao

[worn drift]

this guy had same reaction

[jolly crane]

ye

also

what are people saying

about no team ever reached finals from the start of lower bracket

i guess technically newbee doesnt count

cause of the weird tournament format

[jade bramble]

[worn drift]

hoooly

dyrachyo solos chalice and throws tip

hits him with the "Quiet little boy" voice line

[jade bramble]

Deathballgoesbrrrrr

[undone dagger]

I have no idea why AR gave GG this lineup

[worn drift]

anton getting revenge for his brethren

[undone dagger]

If you've watched any of their games you'd know this was what they are best at

Liquid banned it pretty aggressively

[jolly crane]

Ye idk

Pick od into

Chen pugna pango

[undone dagger]

Wheee

[worn drift]

dyrachyo

avenging his fallen brothers from bb

[wraith scroll]

LMAO

[undone dagger]

Instantly iconic clip, lanm saying huskar isn't a problem as he wrecks their team for first blood

[wraith scroll]

dude that is so fucking funny.

4 kills during the interview is over lmao.

[ancient harbor]

[worn drift]

brutal

[undone dagger]

The psychic damage

[wraith scroll]

AR needs to be untiltable to come back.

I’d be so demoralized already lmao.

[ancient harbor]

what the fuck

[worn drift]

this is a thrashing

[jade bramble]

Are the monitors off?

[wraith scroll]

This is actually absurd lol.

[worn drift]

dyrachyo going crazy

if gg somehow lose this it might be most embarrasing loss of all time

[undone dagger]

They should all retire immediately if that happens

[ancient harbor]

pos1 ta 🙃

[undone dagger]

If GG gets megas can AR's heroes actually kill them?

[ancient harbor]

LOL

you know... im not even sure if they can

nah

kunkka pugna

and ta can surely clear

[worn drift]

this is something man

okay i wasnt entirely sure at first

but dyrachyo was actually flaming for his boys

respect

[manic ermine]

Ultra kill onto question mark

[worn drift]

dyrachyo was playing for betboom there

[wraith scroll]

The question mark penalty? What is their penalty for BM?

[jade bramble]

[ancient harbor]

this was the last game today right

[worn drift]

ye

[wraith scroll]

yeah.

[manic ermine]

No penalty for BM

[wraith scroll]

Sunsfan had mentioned a possible penalty that’s why I was curious. I didn’t think there was one.

What a game though. Sheesh.

[worn drift]

usually there arent penalties for bm

as long as its not like

too far if you know what i mean

[wraith scroll]

Yeah a ? Is way more tolerable than you know, vulgarity or whatever.

[worn drift]

ye like if someone was playing a team with a palestinian representative on the roster and said something distasteful about that situation there would almost certaintly be a dq

[undone dagger]

If AR wasn't penalized into this game for worse I can't imagine there will be

[worn drift]

there wont be

it was just typical shit

) and ? and voice lines

GG vs LGD might be interesting

feel like GG might actually have a good chance to take em out

seems like they gained some of their previous form with this lb run

[undone dagger]

Yeah could be interesting but I assume Xiao8 will have a better handle on what GG wants to do

[stone geode]

sad for BB

but AR got dismantled

[humble yew]

fy

[humble yew]

how AR got rinsed by GG

[manic ermine]

Gg just played well

And ar did some dumbo drafting

I hope gg beat lgd as well

Spirit vs gg would be a more interesting grand final

[stone geode]

interesting clash of style too

where spirit play for mega late

and gg end in 20

[stray yew]

ar got rekt so much lol

fell asleep before 2nd spirit game

yatoro beasted on morph that game but also drafting spec into ck was very risky

[stone geode]

I think gg beat lgd

[stray yew]

im not surprised gg stomped other lb winner

i thought so

i didnt expect nouns kinda stomp

both games sub 25

and they won with fucking huskar

[stone geode]

this game was over at 22 mins

[humble yew]

fuck GG

go LGD

[stone geode]

holy, that g2 between gg and ar

[stray yew]

lmao this ar/bb drama kinda serious i think

and all of this caus coz bali major TO is a fucking moron

torontotokyo was right they delieve content

https://clips.twitch.tv/ConsiderateCredulousMacaroniFloof-YKGXSsplhjVko4dF

[humble yew]

what happened

[stray yew]

started in bali where pure did the legndary cheating thing checking stream

and then bali major to was stupid and they let ar blackmail them to change their decisions/in general bali major to dropped the ball

some allchatting happened there between them in their rematch

and then in this TI pure all chatted against them in grp stage and now they all chatted against them

• refused handshake with pure

[humble yew]

oh yeh I remember that in Bali

why would you want to cheat in the first place anyway, esp when you're in front of crowd and cameras

mf is stupid

[stray yew]

i mean pure being stupid is one thing, personally i dont think he cheated he's just brain damaged

and he shouldve been punished like rulebook says but that TO was stupid and idk let ar players blackmail them

theyt said they wont play unless they dont let pure play or some shit like that

[humble yew]

aint no way

[stray yew]

that entire situation couldve been avoided but ye

[jolly crane]

TO basically bowed to the pressure of the community and some of the teams (including AR)

instead of just standing their ground with their initial decision, which was the correct oen imo

[stray yew]

idk getting blackmailed by players to change decision

that shouldnt be allowed

follow rulebook even if its stupidest thing ever

i think rulebook said 'banned from all competition for 5 years'

or 2 years maybe

[jolly crane]

ye

but ultimately the TO has full decisionpower regardless

think a t1 draft penalty for tundra, t2 or t3 for BB, and all wouldve been swell.

[stray yew]

i mean ye in the end it was TO's fault coz they completely mishandled it

i dont think players should ever have any saying

[jolly crane]

regardless of whether or not the decision and what happened after was fair, pure needs to just learn to shut the fuck up

[humble yew]

I understand they didnt follow rulebook then

even for cheating

[stray yew]

ye ofc he should be punished but i just rly dont like part where people forget that the chinese PROTAGONISTS literally blackmailed to

coz they just fixate on part that pure cheated

yes he did noone is denying that

[jolly crane]

i mean he had a stream open in the background. technically that means he mightve heard delayed caster sound, or maybe not. idk. doesnt really matter. rules state to not have streams (or anything else open) during games. its a learning experience

initial decision was fine. problem was that the TO then bowed to the community pressure and decided to turn over the win, and put BB into lower bracket. its at that point where the team went "so you punish the team, but the player is still allowed to play?", which is also fucked

shouldnt have bowed to the pressure in the first place, imo

or make that decision immediately, not after a day

[stray yew]

coz they failed at the basics they didnt even do what their rulebook said

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

if they followed their rulebook to begin with there would be no issue

even if it says banned from all valve events forever