So i always hope he loses
#DotA
jolly crane
does he?
he always struck me as like
some super quiet kid
think one of the GG people said it as well
dyrachyo and ace are just super silent
for most of the game
thorny fiber
Nah but i dont think pros should talk about other teams like this, you put a target on your back
Easy motivation for opponents
worn drift
hes def not wrong there
jolly crane
I mean it depends on the context in which it was said
Teams and players talk about each other like that all the time
Just not in public
worn drift
nigma sucks thats just facts lmao
miracle is an old god same as sumail
but they don't really compete in modern dota
nigma is kinda just an artifact
same as like fucking navi
except everyone knows navi sucks
for some reason people still think nigma can come back or some shit lmao
jolly crane
thats the thing that alwas bothered me honestly
people like ana, miracle etc.
people always considered them the best of the best of all time. despite neither of them being active players for more than 2-3years, tops
worn drift
jolly crane
so they had some outstanding performances, ye. but they also had way too few of them to consider them alltime bests
worn drift
i can understand having reverence for them because they were goats of their time but they fell off very fast if you think about it lol
jolly crane
same with nisha atm
worn drift
i think its just nostalgia factor
jolly crane
he just looks lost in mid
nah its just
fanboyism
of people who make flashy plays or only show up once a year
jolly crane
i wouldnt have disliked OG nearly as much, if it was just the team thats kinda obnoxious. but its their fanbase that makes it insufferable
so yeah, the hyping up individuals is kinda... idk, undeserved in my eyes unless its a player that has consistently been at the top of their game, like universe or sumail or somnus, or has had a really strong growth over the years like sneyking or quinn
i can respect that
worn drift
im unconvinced by sneyking
jolly crane
but the "omg miracle is soloing the enemy team after being given freefarm and all the support in the world for the entire game" kind of fanboyism just always bothered me
same with nisha
dude gets 4 bottle tp refills by minute 10 while his offlane and safelane get sacrificed. 10min later OMG NISHA INSANE PLAYER
thorny fiber
I mean its not surprising is it
jolly crane
meanwhile you have pos4s like jerax or fy that just make plays with nothing
thorny fiber
Some ppl still hold Ronaldinho as the best player ever despite Messi existing
jolly crane
crit used to as well
jolly crane
i mean, its his choice and im sure he makes better money than any alternative team
SR is just a promo team pmuch
jolly crane
bunch of marketable players
worn drift
its legit just a "show up to the office" team
jolly crane
its an "old G" team
+saberlight
what bothers me about GG
is that they consistently lastpick for dyrachyo but hes not really "worth it" to me?
worn drift
ye
worn drift
its not medusa meta anymore
jolly crane
guess the problem is that you cant lastpick for quinn cause then his entire heropool gets banned every game
worn drift
cant just give them medusa then distract enemy for 30 mins and have him end
jolly crane
but his necro looked very strong (tbf invoker is a shit mid)
how do you die
vs a level 1 tide and pugna
jolly crane
no one had mana
thorny fiber
Razor pos1, is this a thing?
jolly crane
the way GG is playing
thats not too surprising
they had a fairly easy road in the LB so far
stone geode
gg looking stinky this series
plush pivot
experts - is DK just not good numerically now?
stray yew
i can respect liquid
plush pivot
he is fat, can do damage, may help with lane push
stray yew
they are finally beating the team that they got mega farmed by
plush pivot
kinda like bristle I guess which I've seen fair number of times
rugged cipher
only a blink singel target stun if no dragonform
stone geode
both BS and razor picks 
stray yew
nisha 
rugged cipher
well now gg gonna win
plush pivot
I see LD, I cheer for LD
I am a simple man
also I am compelled to root for Durachyo)
worn drift
god these teams are so bad
worn drift
also I am compelled to root for Durachyo)
DAUBI ANTOHA DAUBI
plush pivot
god these teams are so bad
you would play better for sure
worn drift
100% not
jolly crane
you just live
jolly crane
its kind of an oldschool razor build of just
staying alive
which works against a lineup like liquids
stone geode
bring back refresher bkb ahgs build
jolly crane
yeah nah
fuck that shit
you used to play razor with like
straight heart rush
back in the olden days
cuz all the hero needs is just survive initial burst, and then you run over them with ult+static link
just like that
stone geode
lolquid
plush pivot
okay Seli
would oracle be then pog pairing for such Razor?
I wasn't at home for pick phase
worn drift
see big issue here is
oracle isn't a support that becomes a carry after min 50
so its auto bad
plush pivot
dazzle/oracle
plush pivot
allows razor to stay alive and suck all the damage
jolly crane
but dazzle is more of a core these days
worn drift
if your supports dont have capability of becoming a core eventually its gg
jolly crane
becuase you want levels
worn drift
ye i played dazzle mid a few days ago
that shit is so busted
his first spell is so fucking cracked
worn drift
ye
stone geode
can you cull grav e
stray yew
you would play better for sure
just judge every player and every team by worst play they had
jolly crane
ye
stone geode
or did I imagine that being a thing
worn drift
axe ye
plush pivot
just judge every player and every team by worst play they had
I just don't judge
jolly crane
like always
worn drift
worst play they had
stray yew
i dont know if seli is flaming me
worn drift
i see these 2 teams sucking dick on the regular
stray yew
what are you on about
legit wtf are you ON ABOUT
3 TIMES
MAJOR
WINNER
in convincing fashion
all of them
worn drift
win 3 majors then still lose the most important tourneys of the year
stray yew
tbh
stone geode
its not over yet
stone geode
liquid choke in progress
jolly crane
i hate GG as much as the next guy but even i cant deny that GG has been smurfing on the competition this year
thorny fiber
Liquid played that last fight well
stray yew
but they will have
jolly crane
they did drop in performance and quality of play after they got nerfed
worn drift
they did drop in performance and quality of play after they got nerfed
no seli stop
3 majors
jolly crane
but they also got target-nerfed like 3 patches in a row
jolly crane
and theyre still doing well
stray yew
they are adjusting
jolly crane
i dont remember another team in recent history that dominated this hard, then got nerfed repeatdly, and still kept up with the competition after having to "reinvent" the wheel
stray yew
playing completely offmeta heroes
worn drift
quinns still picking pango every fucking game
jolly crane
why wouldnt he
if enemy gives it to him
his necro was very good
compeltely destroyed nisha mid by himself
their LD offlane is insanely successful
no one else plays that
worn drift
i think the necro is really good yes
plush pivot
no one else plays that
because bulldog isn't playing 
jolly crane
are they as consistent in the current meta as spirit? nah. but theyre still keeping up and likely gonna get a top4 TI finish
worn drift
its really good in meta with 3 strength cores with tarrasque every game
jolly crane
which is very impressive imo
all that happened this year, is that they got nerfed enough that they didnt come into this tourney as the clear favorite anymore, but i think everybody was surprised to see them drop to LB as early as they did
stone geode
they were 1-0 up and hitting throne in second game
jolly crane
i dont know if seli is flaming me
ofc im not, i meant it
worn drift
i am just saying winning majors then tripping at the big finish lines is going to make peoples opinion of yu worse
stone geode
lost series 1-2
worn drift
and i think thats justified lol
jolly crane
its easy to judge a player by their worst plays
especially if its players like dyrachyo or nightfall who make cringe plays from time to time
cuz no one remembers the dozen times it worked out and they won 1v3
manic ermine
Even if gg gets eliminated now they can be arguably the team of the year
3 majors and 2 dreamleagues is quite the feat
jolly crane
dunno if id agree with that, if spirit wins TI again
manic ermine
Also the betboom dacha
worn drift
they wont be
everyone will remeber them as "they did really good that year but just couldn't capitalize"
manic ermine
Well yeah if spirit wins then I agree
worn drift
there was that long run of covid dota secret thrashed everything nonstop
stone geode
spirit won the most money so they chilling
manic ermine
But if spirit doesn't win them you can make a case for gg
jolly crane
its like the, i dont remember what year it was, but the year secret just won everything and then failed hard at TI
worn drift
no one cares about that shit anymore
stone geode
top 3 TI
worn drift
yew
stray yew
coz it was online
worn drift
it was covid dota seli
stray yew
there was no ti that year
worn drift
thats true
stray yew
no everyone is bad coz you can find a clip of them doing bad play @plush pivot 
worn drift
but where you shine matters a lot, sorry to say
plush pivot
even OG didn't dominate their years and then won two consecutive TIs
stone geode
322
plush pivot
you mean matchfixing stuff?
not all bonjwas were fixing
and maybe now saviour can come back since KESPA era is over
stray yew
flash wouldnt have gotten caught
jolly crane
i dont see a lot of carries
plush pivot
I'd say Navi during ti2/3 could be bonjwas if they won at least one of those
jolly crane
chasing into that
plush pivot
but they didn't
stray yew
he looks like a moron
jolly crane
and manning up into the luna like that
jolly crane
ye
stray yew
ye
jolly crane
and he has many performances like this
worn drift
im not even talking about individual players when i say they suck
worn drift
that rosh pit throw last game was clownery
its like when teams go into rosh pit against stealth heroes and dont drop sentry
plush pivot
no everyone is bad coz you can find a clip of them doing bad play <@129867731024...
amen
worn drift
and then get fucking destroyed by some nyx assassin
just forget basic shit and lose teh game cause of it
its horrible play
stray yew
ye tofu played bad
that game
and its probalby on him aswell
he should be breaking that smoke
jolly crane
that rosh pit throw last game was clownery
sure but dota is so optimized that a single play like this can turn a game around
its like last TI
33 on doom
not getting the small camp blocked
so he gets harpy creep
with 3 mangos
and solo wins a lane
cuz he keeps spamming chain lightning
manic ermine
Oh yeah tundra were the ones who discovered mango stacking instead of regen items
jolly crane
that was such a minor mistake, and wouldnt even have been a mistake if he didnt get the exact creep camp. but it can make a massive difference
obviously the rosh thing was troll as fuck
jolly crane
imo that last fight
liquid wins
if zai doesnt watch his luna die before casting boat
jolly crane
oh yeah sry
nisha
he just watched
his luna fight the refresher doubledamage razor
and waited for the second bkb to expire to cast boat for the stun
instead of giving his luna the rum
so she can manfight regardless
worn drift
he probably should have bought satanic vs razor
jolly crane
game turned too quickly imo
worn drift
cause you arent going to run away from him
stray yew
feel llike nishna is struggling this series
game 1 he just was in the game that happened to be a win
stray yew
and game 2 idk if he plays slightly better/has more impact
stray yew
they probalby win
jolly crane
hes struggling a lot in mid atm
worn drift
thats why i dont rlly like pango rn
when game goes late your impact starts to suck
entire enemy team has bkb so when you roll youre just basically afk hero
jolly crane
meh
you always have a purpose tho
you can still disrupt and solo kill supports easily
stray yew
you have so many playstyles in midgame tho
you can always cheese your way to late game with it
jolly crane
and you always have impact with basher on pango as well
stray yew
and hardest counter to pango is shit
(bloodseeker)
noone even picks it into gg
or are they banning it every game
jolly crane
9pandas kinda tilted from their UB loss
stray yew
but it was a shitstomp
stray yew
i think kiyotaka played poorly in TI
stray yew
guy needs experience and polsih his play
jolly crane
not his meta imo
worn drift
kiyotaka played really really bad yes
jolly crane
hes kinda like nisha
worn drift
when 9p was doing well kiyotaka was destroying everyone in mid
stray yew
i can live with him playing ti bad
jolly crane
in a lot of ways
jolly crane
and theyre both having a tough time
stray yew
hope they mostly stick together
stray yew
nisha not playing too hot right now
jolly crane
wait so its
stray yew
they have 2 veterans + 3 rookies
jolly crane
4games today
stray yew
+/-
jolly crane
and then 2 tomorrow?
stray yew
ye
worn drift
ye
jolly crane
worn drift
tomorrow lb final -> gf
stray yew
but ye sad to see ramzes being this bad, maybe worst carry in tier 1 scene
jolly crane
i rly like that dynamic
its working for many teams
jolly crane
look at LGD, bb or AR. nts+y, with 3 rookies. gpk+torontotokyo and 3 newish people etc. somnus+fy and 3 rookies.
jolly crane
well yeah
stray yew
or if 'eg' would do ppd in the coaching
stray yew
so few of people like that in entire scene
jolly crane
puppey, maelk, ppd, xiao8, rotk
thorny fiber
game turned too quickly imo
As you said the other night, pushing hg too early
stray yew
ye puppey i would guess could do it
jolly crane
and ceb
jolly crane
theyre the only coaches i feel
stray yew
taht had success
jolly crane
that really managed to get the full potential out of players
stray yew
ceb/notail ye
agile onyx
whats maelk doing?
jolly crane
it took ppd to make unvierse come out as the arguably greatest offlaner of all time
worn drift
tbh most insane result of recent time really was secret 2nd place finish in ti11
jolly crane
i mean hes retired nowadays but maelk was THE coach in latestage dota1/earlystage dota2
but all of them have one thing in common. theyre OG dota1 players that just have a deeper uinderstanding of the game theory in dota imo
so they make things work, pick up patches quickly
aui as well imo
worn drift
is rtz an og dota 1 gamer seli
stray yew
ye there are few players like that
jolly crane
dont think so
stray yew
nah rtz didnt exist in dota 1
jolly crane
kuroky kinda
worn drift
explains it all
jolly crane
one of those people as well
he just kinda struggles a bit more
but cant really argue that kky is one of the best players in dota as well
man has had a 10+ year dota career at the very top
who else can claim that
its why i dont like the hate for puppey or kuroky etc.
apparently maelk is VP at 100 thieves
stray yew
ah ye i recall that
jolly crane
he kinda transitioned away from dota iirc
jolly crane
rugged cipher
i miss matu last ti beard
stray yew
(said noone ever)
agile onyx
i think beards negatively impact pro dota play
jolly crane
but ye dunno
slow nymph
i remember downloading replays from mym dota1 matches to watch kuroky kunkka
man im old
jolly crane
kuro was a top-tier player in 3 separate teams for 6+ years
multiple top3 TI finishes
definitely a bit more washed nowadays
agile onyx
yeah kuro was really good
jolly crane
first navi, then secret, then liquid
agile onyx
its kind crazy to see the ups and downs of the old dota pros
like if you told me so many years ago
kuro wouldnt make it to TI
worn drift
i dont think its crazy
agile onyx
but quinn and moo were
worn drift
puppey commented on this yesterday
agile onyx
i would call you crazy
worn drift
he said basically if you aren't fully entirely focused on dota and being the best at it and thinking about it an insane amount, you aren't going to succeed at it
and when you get to the point of like
age 25+
you start being less capable of doing so
so you inevitably fall off
agile onyx
hmm
jolly crane
eys and no
when it comes to supports and captains
i feel most of them reach their prime in their late 20s
theres a few exceptions on a mechanical skill level, where youth helps
but you develop the gamesense that wins tourneys, like cebs calls for OG during their TI wins, over a decade worth of playing
worn drift
dunno
jolly crane
you dont get to that point within a few years imo
worn drift
kuroky hit his late 20's and was introduced to division 2 dota
jolly crane
but hes the exception
stray yew
ceb is like 32?
jolly crane
xiao8 is 34
stray yew
im guessing
stray yew
close enough
jolly crane
xiao8 subbed in
worn drift
i mean
worn drift
i think xiao8 and puppey still think about dota an insane amount
jolly crane
with wacky shit
worn drift
obviously what he said isn't a rule
jolly crane
ye
worn drift
like yu can still be 30 and still tihnk about dota a lot
but i think he has a good point lol
jolly crane
i dont think its an age thing, its just... what level of dedicated do you apply to dota vs the rest in your life
worn drift
its not surprising to me to see most old players fall off hard
jolly crane
i think its why people like notail quit
cuz he made enough money to just develop different priorities
its why ppd stepped down from EG back in the day as well
and i think players like crit or zai feel that too
they kinda discover new priorities in life
and so theyre only with dota at 80 or 90%
worn drift
i think if youre at that point just retire
rather retire as a legend than sully the end of your career
jolly crane
thats what people told ceb
when he came back as a player
he kinda destroyed that notion
worn drift
when did he come back as a player
jolly crane
right before the first OG TI win
he was coaching them for years
but he didnt come back as a player until reso left
then he quit again
came back again
got a top8 finish again
with his WR play
and poeple thought he peaked during the old quantic gaming days
then he became a caster for a while
was co-casting with tobi a lot
then he became coach
agile onyx
ceb also retired from dota the first time in infamy as like an uber toxic EUW player that no one wanted to play with
jolly crane
ceb also retired from dota the first time in infamy as like an uber toxic EUW pl...
he always was
a super toxic dude, and still is
think only player ive encountered back in the days that was worse
was misery
agile onyx
yeah, which was part of why I was so surprised that he was back
cause he was awful and no one wanted to play with him
and then like 10 years later hes back outa nowhere
jolly crane
but ye ceb basically had like a 3+ year break from playing
rugged cipher
competative that is
jolly crane
well yeah ofc
these coaches still actively play
iirc xiao8 is still like 9k mmr or smth in chinese pubs
nvm
rugged cipher
feels like bulba has not touched the game in 5y though
stone geode
what pos does he play
worn drift
wait 9k is rank 52 in china?
worn drift
ye i mean he clearly still lives and breathes dota
jolly crane
mans been playing NA pubs
worn drift
if he didnt lgd would suck
jolly crane
y is the lowest ranked player in lgd, and hes sitting at #81 atm
stone geode
supports usually arent top 100 are they
worn drift
why didnt GG make muerta the carry?
stone geode
harder to rank
rugged cipher
bulba, checks out unless he actually smurfs
jolly crane
supports usually arent top 100 are they
depends on the region from what ive heard
its harder to rank up as a support but
but once you reach ranked immortal level games
where the new draft-mode is active
agile onyx
why didnt GG make muerta the carry?
their lanes are giga bad with muerta carry, support duo of furion/weaver
jolly crane
people will pick you first all the time
stone geode
so bulba is still immortal
jolly crane
ranked immortal is a different game
stone geode
thats good enough for a coach, right
jolly crane
you dont need to be able to play the game, just need to understand it
stray yew
agile onyx
i dont think bulba understands shit besides how to gaslight rtz
jolly crane
in his quantic/mtw days
stray yew
ye when ceb was coaching og at 1st he didnt touch pubs whatsoever
he only started doing it when ana 1st joined
coz he didnt know how to help 16 yo ingame
jolly crane
ye
stone geode
he told some stories on stream about ana
jolly crane
ana was basically not a player
stone geode
how he didnt know what creep aggro was but he was still insane
jolly crane
GG is definitely trying out stuff
and i applaud the effort
unfortuantely i think this is about as far as itll be able to get them
stone geode
furion pos 5 is xdd gaming
jolly crane
besides the tofu muerta and quinn pango
they dont have that many signature picks atm
stone geode
weaver carry has looked pretty good this weekend
jolly crane
meh
it did, but mostly because games went very long
nisha is getting dunked on so hard
every game
its sad to watch
stone geode
im fan of pugna support
stone geode
nisha polish pride
jolly crane
against a void
jolly crane
even in their old days of like
jolly crane
quinn dominance on their mid heroes
stray yew
stone geode
I dont want quinn to win ti
stray yew
so its ok
jolly crane
you dont win game by shitting on one guy tbh
especially not mid
stone geode
furion topping puck atm
agile onyx
this is looked doomed
jolly crane
killing mid repeatedly isnt about econ damage, its about the emotional/mental damage you do
stray yew
unless someone gets real fast orchid or sth
i think if that centaur is ace
he is top nw
with how much puck died
stray yew
they didnt even try
stone geode
expert tree block
stray yew
6 minutes
jolly crane
ye
stray yew
6 minute*
stray yew
in the end its opportunity cost
they didnt kill anything on side lanes
didnt rly do as response
plush pivot
expert tree block
How can a team with 3 major wins cast trees like that???
stray yew
to not contesting rune
jolly crane
ye that tree block was
very sad
i still do that myself a lot
casting trees on enemy
instead of in front of them
stray yew
wtf is answer to weaver
stone geode
weaver was sad to see that
stray yew
i swear puck is decent vs weaver
jolly crane
rubick
jolly crane
earthspirit
stray yew
and somehow he has more than zai
plush pivot
One of those moments Dyrachyo gets shit on for?)
agile onyx
classic pos 1 offlaner
jolly crane
as long as it costs enemy resources or cooldowns
stray yew
bs/razor/furion/void spirit
plush pivot
I feel like he is local rtz. He is pos 1 but practically plan B
jolly crane
necro as well
stray yew
necro im not sure if its meta
stray yew
gg picks it a lot tho
jolly crane
its a TI thing
stray yew
ench is just broken
stray yew
for 5 years
jolly crane
i dont see the
turnaround condition in the midgame here
this skeleton king is too big
stone geode
what does sk do though
agile onyx
be a beefy boy with a stun twice
jolly crane
soak spells
plush pivot
Walks up to you and hits
jolly crane
hes also gonna oneshot bot hteh pugna and sky
stone geode
tb just kills him later
plush pivot
Later may not happen
jolly crane
doesnt matter
agile onyx
yeah but idk if there will be a later
jolly crane
lategame wk just soaks damage
plush pivot
With that pace
jolly crane
with aghs and refresher
stray yew
idk if me
jolly crane
also often underestimated, how well sk pushes out lanes in the midgame
jolly crane
on what happens in bb vs AR
stray yew
weaker*
jolly crane
AR is hit and miss
stray yew
well heart says AR
jolly crane
if chalice is trolling or not
stray yew
coz im somnus/fy fanboy
but ye they wont win imo
nightfall not choking on stage
(yet)
stone geode
I think cis dont do well vs chinese teams usually
jolly crane
lou and chalice are just
stray yew
chalice build wrong items
jolly crane
struggling too much
jolly crane
tbf he just got destroyed
stray yew
you can disassemble
jolly crane
by magnus
wraith scroll
Liquid going to throw it out again.
jolly crane
tianming kinda failing on clock
agile onyx
what am i watching
jolly crane
AR couldve won first game i think
but after the bristle died once
clock needs to hook in when the bristle respawns
so he cant get rp+second skewer back
but i really liked the magnus+nightstalker combo
NS gives vision
for the magnus to skewer
and then the NS just stops any support from reacting
stone geode
that mag in g1 was superb
jolly crane
idk
zai doesnt find farm
if he doesnt have a good lane
or gets 3 t1s with meteorhammer
i dont even understand how he didnt have a good lane
centaur+sky
vs weaver+prophet
and that prophet was mid multiple times at minute 6
stray yew
i fell asleep mid 3rd game of spirit/liquid yday
jolly crane
deadline is tomorrow
plush pivot
Fuck work
jolly crane
plush pivot
It’s weekends
stone geode
I have mon-wed off
agile onyx
TI should be a holiday
stone geode
but I like to keep my sleep scehdule
stray yew
hell yea brother @plush pivot
jolly crane
getting killed
stray yew
me rn
plush pivot
Void spirit not dying for the 3rd time?
jolly crane
just no damage
agile onyx
liquid pls not like this
jolly crane
cuz the puck is too poor
stray yew
@thorny fiber 
plush pivot
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jolly crane
agile onyx
TL has 0 damage except for micke, but the GG cores just walk away
jolly crane
humble yew
jolly crane
considering how in control of game1 GG were
but then threw it away
this was a pretty one-sided series
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jolly crane
ye thats kinda been the GG special
stray yew
disappointing man
jolly crane
and OG special as well
jolly crane
well
they do that because
they also lost to other teams a lot
and then came back from LB
agile onyx
im depressed
stray yew
did they rly? id need to check all brackets
agile onyx
have a good night lads
stray yew
but my memory is
worn drift
felt like liquid outdrafted them g3 but lost just lost anyway
jolly crane
think it wasl ike
stray yew
get to finals lose to liquid
jolly crane
50/50
stray yew
sorry to gg
and i feel like their stats vs gg on lan are like
12 maps to gg and 2 to liquid
jolly crane
ye
stray yew
most of these games were big stomps
jolly crane
its kinda like the old spirit vs lgd one
where lgd won every series
except TI
and the major
stray yew
id just kick blitz i dont vibe with that guy whatsoever and get someone that actually is cutthroat and wants to win
isntead of being wet noodle like he is
stray yew
he does the 'im happy to be in the finals'
worn drift
depressed
stray yew
i hate it
worn drift
jolly crane
honestly just
stray yew
he's there coz friends with players/someone in org
stray yew
i rly despise that i think if you are this far, making top 5 of ti, making finals of majors
jolly crane
quinn/ace just better tempo controllers than nisha/zai
worn drift
ye blitz seems like the type of coach that puppey was describing
where just isnt dedicated
doesnt want to win
jolly crane
i think
stray yew
i hate it so much
jolly crane
thats exactly blitz's role
humble yew
fucking quinn mf is an asshole
jolly crane
liquid doesnt need or want to win, ultimately
humble yew
and wins
worn drift
idk
stray yew
i mean if anything
worn drift
why play then
stray yew
quinn has biggest will to win
jolly crane
they just need to show up at tourneys
worn drift
so are you saying
stray yew
to play on higher level
jolly crane
ye
worn drift
i can see that
humble yew
i mean yeh hes good but still a moron 
jolly crane
they win through presence
quinn is kinda like ceb, but less accomplished
kind of an ass but inarguably a good player
worn drift
but ye blitz does have that "im just here with my boys, you guys can pick what you wanna play lets have some fun"
jolly crane
ye theyre a better shopify pmuch
stray yew
in pre finals interview
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obviously they wanna win but i think
stray yew
absolute horrendousness
jolly crane
they just dont care as much if they go out top6
stray yew
or pre big series interview
sure you dont have to be like idk prime ceb saying shit like
ye we're gonna smash them
jolly crane
its just the "try to keep a positive attitude at all times"
stray yew
but show some confidence in yourself/show that you are there to win
worn drift
idk if my coach doesnt exude confidence im scared
stray yew
im just not vibing with that part ye
jolly crane
sure you dont have to be like idk prime ceb saying shit like
i mean ceb goes both ways though right. he bounced between the LETS FUCKING GO and very motivational but reserved style, depending on the situation
jolly crane
idk if my coach doesnt exude confidence im scared
that just depends ont he players. its like a raidleader. you can have the hypeman, or the niceguy who keeps everybody performing well with positivity
even if things look bad
cant really argue with liquids success all things considered
worn drift
you dont even need to by the hypeman
just have some confidence in yourself and team
if youre asked at interview
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"how are you feeling going into this game"
jolly crane
from having that confidence in an interview
worn drift
your answer shouldnt be
jolly crane
might also be a bit of a cultural thing
worn drift
"we feel okay, were just happy to be here"
jolly crane
and hes definitely the self-deprecating type
stray yew
spirit before ti10
jolly crane
and then they won? 😄
stray yew
in true sight you can see
nah
i remember
yatoro says sth like
when they go to some meeting room
'such a shame ill have to steal ti from ame'
stone geode
ah so gg playing another series today
worn drift
yatoro has some protagonist mindset
jolly crane
ye
stray yew
and i feel like
jolly crane
and then gg vs whoever wins next
worn drift
in their latest vlog they had their teamspeak comms recorded and that was in the vlog
worn drift
him and mira were 2v5
this guy says
"yo im going to kill them all right now"
obviously he died
jolly crane
but ye i think
worn drift
jolly crane
if you play for an org like liquid
stone geode
that was the larl dive on puck
jolly crane
and you feel like youre at the top already anyway
that takes away some desire to win it all
stone geode
with yatoro muerta and grimstroke
worn drift
ye
i think he was coming out of aegis res
and hes like
"watch this guys im going to kill them all"
jolly crane
im sure the liquid players make 15-25k/month in salaries
stone geode
I mean he has the potential to kill the entire team but not in that situation where he just gets controlled
worn drift
ye
jolly crane
but good interview too