DotA

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

and you oculdnt even control your character

at least shard was 'fair'

coz you could control your hero

i cant believe you have sth like kunkka or old lc shard (that gave bkb)

idk many other that are busted af

and then you have mirana shard

[jolly crane]

i mean

it gives 1 extra leap charge

[stray yew]

ye at least that

it got huge buff

tbh

but its mega meme

worst shard in the game

idk if i can think of worse one

actually dont even know wtf some shards are

like wtf is chen shard

dont even know

[jolly crane]

tinker shard

[stray yew]

ye he should get free bloodstone on shard

or some other core item he builds anyway

[jolly crane]

the fucking

teleport flare thing

[stray yew]

it reduces cast time and cast range

doesnt it?

naix has insanely good shard

idk why dead hero

open wounds that heals a fuckton

and spreads when you do damage

when people build shit like hot quite a lot and you have built in bkb

[jolly crane]

cause he used to have his shard as his E

and now thats

attackspeed instead

[stray yew]

ye now thats attack speed slow

attack speed and slow when you hit

[manic ermine]

Bring back hard hitting ls

[jolly crane]

naix is just

bad

because you need all 3 skills maxed

before you can do smth

no matter which skill you leave at 1

the hero loses smth thats important

you either lose damage if you dont max feast, which is kinda the point to pick him in the first place

or you dont have any slowdown/attackspeed, or rage only lasts 3sec

hero doesnt come online until level 16

but ye idk, theres a few insane shards

WD, oracle, aa, slark, kunkka

[manic ermine]

Miposhka ench default ban

[worn drift]

you cant win if you dont

he becomes drow ranger from pos 5 past 40 mins

[jolly crane]

cool draft from liquid but

ive got a feeling

that this will be a 25min stomp for spirit

[worn drift]

can spectre comps stomp

[jolly crane]

This is a typical spirit game. Losing single heroes bit by bit, while enemy has to commit 4 people for it everytime

[worn drift]

[jolly crane]

In a few mins spirit will teamfight and wipe liquid

[worn drift]

[worn drift]

wonder if spirit will use the broken es aghs + phoenix combo

where you stone the egg and it cant be broken

holy fuck weaver dmg

man you can hit someone with 4 attacks if you shukuchi them

[last scaffold]

watching tide almost get one tapped was

[worn drift]

ye its actually insane burst at lvl 25

[jolly crane]

5

[worn drift]

oh wait

does the shard get buffed by 25 as well

[jolly crane]

Ye

[worn drift]

oh ok ye thats just insane

[jolly crane]

Shard is kinda... Not great until then

[worn drift]

i mean its good for farming no?

[jolly crane]

Sure but

So is a damage item

[worn drift]

ye but this one is a 1400 farm item

[jolly crane]

It helps you clear a wave like 2-3sec faster basically

[worn drift]

idk seems good to me

accelerates your farm

and its good later

[jolly crane]

Ye but typically

There's other more important items

In midgame

[worn drift]

bro he just

1 shot the tide

[jolly crane]

I mean

Dd

And he crit 2/3 attacks

I still think

[worn drift]

sb's just too fucking broken

[jolly crane]

dd should stop spawning after a certain time

SB saw its last game this ti I think

This would've been a winnable game for spirit without the sb

[worn drift]

ye

bulldoze is a broken spell

hero disrupts too much and cant be killed

[stray yew]

coz spirit thought they are main characters of the anime and they will tackle sb with sd

and they had no pos 4

[worn drift]

well beating it has its use

[jolly crane]

Ye

[worn drift]

if you beat it now teams have to think

if SB is good enough or you have to find something

[jolly crane]

Just cast purge on a hero with 1.4k move speed

[worn drift]

but ye

the hero isn't counterable

[jolly crane]

You counter it by destroying it in lane

But that ain't happening with a spec

[worn drift]

thats been seen to not work 100% of the time

he just charges waves with midas and gets his items regardless

and still has impact in mid game regardless

the best counter is ban

[jolly crane]

Only if you let them farm in mid

Instead of closing out the game.

Which is hard ofc

[worn drift]

i mean how do you close the game if hes killing all your waves

and you have to commit like 3+ heroes

[jolly crane]

He's not

[worn drift]

cause bulldoze is overpowered

[jolly crane]

If he didn't have a good lane

You punish him

When he charges out

[stray yew]

you protect the wave and end the game in 25 mins

[jolly crane]

But they already had map control, so who is gonna punish the sb

[worn drift]

all 3 of them?

[jolly crane]

Every SB loss so far

[stray yew]

you need just 1

[jolly crane]

Was with the sb charging out to clear waves, only to die

Repeatedly

SB takes up a lot of space, so even if je farms a lane with charge, if you are in control of the game, that means another core isn't farming anymore

But you need a rock solid early game for that

I think od still works against sb

[stray yew]

people will just ban it

[worn drift]

game 3 should be interesting

[stray yew]

but also weaver is better than people thought

[worn drift]

weaver late game is p insane lol

seeing tide die in 1 auto attack was spooky

[jolly crane]

Idk

He kinda got blown up in a ravage stun

Repeatedly

[worn drift]

thats cause micke is dog

[jolly crane]

What's he supposed to do?

That weaver would've been food without an SB imo

[jolly crane]

Idk

Using bkb reactively on a blink

Is really damn hard

[worn drift]

id say manta dodge it but hes not that guy

and also not a manta builder

[stray yew]

i dont think you can manta dodge ravage

[worn drift]

ye i think the aoe is too large and staggered or some shit

Uhhh

Spirit going to lb or

What is this draft

Ye ok

They’re high or something

Seattle kush

[jolly crane]

nightstalker gonna carry

[worn drift]

i just feel like mira is not a pos 4 invoker player

just gonna have no impact

[jolly crane]

eh

its an easy vessel carry

and the hero kinda

doesnt need to do much outside of tornado

collapse 17 denies

almost has more denies than zai has lasthits

[worn drift]

spirit having some good lanes

lol nisha noob didnt have lance of pursuit there

got it right after

[jolly crane]

think that nightstalker will be a menace at minute 15

[worn drift]

ye night stalker + tiny blink will be good timing

he they can coordinate well toss onto ns

ns really needs bkb lol

unplayable for him rn

brambles, cage

[jolly crane]

Well they just

Have no vision

Another buyback

[agile onyx]

these AoE silences on both sides are kind of hilarious

[jolly crane]

This is not good

[worn drift]

who pressed bb

[agile onyx]

that was invoker bb i think

[worn drift]

ah

[jolly crane]

Collapse earlier

[worn drift]

ye

[jolly crane]

Mira this time

[worn drift]

that was grim

he bought back and didnt make anything happen

[jolly crane]

Both times they only get 1 kill for it

Willow just too high impact these first 20min

[worn drift]

ye the invoker is super useless just food for riki

idk their draft is just ass

[jolly crane]

The nightstalker is fine

[worn drift]

invoker is bad

[jolly crane]

I don't get the tiny mid

[worn drift]

tiny is also bad

should have just sent invoker mid tbh

[jolly crane]

And tiny pos4 kek

Tbf

Liquids hg push is absolutely abysmal

[agile onyx]

Willow feels like the ench replacement, good support with potentially insane scaling

like i think willow is the hg push

at minute 50

[jolly crane]

At that point

[worn drift]

once ns has bkb and can sit on supports easier

[jolly crane]

Spirit has 3 strong cores

[worn drift]

their fights get easier i think

you know whats funny

tiny got the shard off tormentor

which is boosting his farm a lot

lol

[jolly crane]

Ye

[worn drift]

so hes staying in the game

[jolly crane]

But that's cause

[agile onyx]

3 cores that cant target willow in spirit realm with 90% uptime

[jolly crane]

The others bought it already

[jolly crane]

Huh?

Tiny aghs

Destroys the willow

In half a second

[agile onyx]

oh huh

yeah they actually have a lot of catch

for the willow too

if they have vision

[jolly crane]

And it's a pos5 willow

NS can solo her with blink bkb

[agile onyx]

i mean, ench is almost always pos 5 too

[jolly crane]

Ench needs 1 item

Willow needs 4

[agile onyx]

[jolly crane]

Hurricane pike vs needing octarine, bkb, windwaker, aghs

[worn drift]

damn good deafening by mira actually

[jolly crane]

Ye the invoker needs 2 spells in games like this

And lategame you always have cataclysm as well

[agile onyx]

is sunstrike/cataclysm still pure damage?

[worn drift]

ye

[agile onyx]

i hate this weaver cosmetic + deso, its destroying my eyes

[jolly crane]

The weaver will chew through the brewlings in late

[worn drift]

ye

with the shukuchi aoe too

[agile onyx]

likely

[worn drift]

yatoro has some big fucking balls ill be real

doing this shit in game to stay in ub

[agile onyx]

oh no

[worn drift]

dude collapse is just the best pos 3

in the world

[ancient harbor]

[worn drift]

this guy has the worst fucking 15 mins ever

and still brings insane impact in every game

[agile onyx]

actually just making NS look like some kind of fucked up batrider+slark+doom hybrid

[worn drift]

almost 25 on weaver and daedalus will be finished

[agile onyx]

yeah this weaver is nuts

[jolly crane]

The shukuchi CD talent is stupid as well

[agile onyx]

like should have died 10 more times

[jolly crane]

3.5sec CD, lasts 4 seconds

[agile onyx]

but didnt cause good weaver

so hes just super far ahead

[worn drift]

ye watching him play on the edge is pretty sick

[jolly crane]

Kek

Casual satanic to dispel the bramble

[ancient harbor]

wait satanic is a dispel?

[worn drift]

ye

[jolly crane]

Ye

[worn drift]

basic dispel

[agile onyx]

isnt satanic like super low CD now too

[worn drift]

but you right seli

[jolly crane]

Basic dispel when you use it

[ancient harbor]

TIL.

[worn drift]

liquid has legit

[agile onyx]

like 25 seconds

[worn drift]

no highground

like

at all

except brewmaster

[jolly crane]

Even just T2

[worn drift]

ye

[jolly crane]

Who is gonna push that

[worn drift]

they basically have to spend brew ult to siege

like wtf

[jolly crane]

No meteor hammer either so

[worn drift]

and then you open yourself to fights with no brew ult

and brew with no ult in fights is uhhh

[jolly crane]

They kinda had to crush the lanes imo

[worn drift]

big creep

[jolly crane]

The brewlings will all die

When weaver shukuchis through them once

[worn drift]

larl getting that free shard was actually so insane lol

hes so fat cause of it

[jolly crane]

Ye but like I said

When they killed the first tormentor

Spirit already bought 3 shards

[worn drift]

ye

[agile onyx]

their plan for hg is weaver buys rapier and dies so willow can siege at 60 minutes with a pirate's hat + divine + 4 more items

[worn drift]

it was mainly the 2 supps needing to have it i think

[jolly crane]

On ns/weaver/grim

[worn drift]

idk how the shard distribute works even

its like lowest 2 nw

w/o shard

50/50?

[ancient harbor]

ye

[jolly crane]

Ye

[ancient harbor]

think any chance of a liquid comeback?

[worn drift]

ye always possible

[agile onyx]

tier 5 items exist

[worn drift]

but idk their hg is fucking god awful

[agile onyx]

its possible

[ancient harbor]

what weaver is just so tanky though

how they burst it down

with what damage

[agile onyx]

god this is so doomed

[worn drift]

late game ns in team fights

[jolly crane]

Kinda hilarious

[worn drift]

cant play as support

and also just

perma ward in fights

[jolly crane]

How Mira dies

Buys back

10min later he dies again

Has insane respawn timer from his last buyback still

Buys back again

[manic ermine]

Carry diffed

[ancient harbor]

nisha just dying to scary night man chasing him down

every time

[jolly crane]

Nah this is pos3 diffy

[worn drift]

i like how mira dies

collapse jumps into 5

[jolly crane]

This brew didn't do anything

[worn drift]

kills boxi

lmao

team just watches

[manic ermine]

Zai did do a game losing mistake

[worn drift]

gopnik night stalker just kicks the shit out of willow

[manic ermine]

He ulted for no reason

Opened rosh for spirit

[jolly crane]

This is a first pick brew into a right-click tiny and weaver

He's basically an earth brewling

Cause the others don't exist

[agile onyx]

brew took 2 tier 1 towers and then died 5 times inside NS silence

and thats all zai did first 35 minutes and it was sad af

[worn drift]

there also no real prospects of willow scaling

[jolly crane]

The pipe is a questionable pickup imo

[worn drift]

9.8k nw at 47

[jolly crane]

Don't really see the value of the pipe in this game

[worn drift]

yea its kinda useless

all spirits dmg is phys lol

[agile onyx]

pipe looks extra bad considering they just kill the invoker first every fight too

thats 80% of their magic damage

[worn drift]

tbh if invoker presses emp hes already done his job lmao

emp nado

[agile onyx]

hold up

is this the comeback

are my boys doing it

[ancient harbor]

wait what

lmao

[agile onyx]

huh

[ancient harbor]

the dark portrait illu

[worn drift]

fast as fuck boi

[agile onyx]

when did weaver sell deso?

[worn drift]

collapse actually soloing this game

[agile onyx]

oh god its so doomed

[ancient harbor]

nisha is just running around

doing nothing

[jolly crane]

Mira is controlling this spec so well

[worn drift]

oh theyre just gonna end

[agile onyx]

alright

[worn drift]

no bb's on dead cores

and they spent glyph

[agile onyx]

its a lower bracket dream angle

[worn drift]

damn

[ancient harbor]

lmao what damage

[worn drift]

weird game

[manic ermine]

Liquid facing gg next

[worn drift]

that felt grim when ns fell off for awhile

[jolly crane]

Honestly, solid invoker game

He just

[manic ermine]

Miras tornadoes were on point

[worn drift]

ye surprising

[jolly crane]

Cold snap/deafening/Tornado the spec

Every fight

Took out so much damage that way

[worn drift]

watson grabbing yatoros autograph

[ancient harbor]

what games have been played already btw?

TS vs liquid, any others?

[jolly crane]

3 of them

[worn drift]

lb's

lgd vs azure next

[jolly crane]

Only lgd/azure ray left

Gonna be hype

[ancient harbor]

kk thanks

[jolly crane]

China duel

[ancient harbor]

ye

[jolly crane]

Best offlaner in the world incoming

Niu is insane

[worn drift]

spirit do some weird shit in drafts, i can see xiao8 fucking them in draft and making game easy for lgd

[jolly crane]

Nah

[worn drift]

like idk

[jolly crane]

Other way around

[worn drift]

mira did well on invoker

but this draft was just whack

[jolly crane]

Xiao8 gonna give them spiritbreaker every game in finals or smth

[worn drift]

i mean yeah

historically

[manic ermine]

Think ar can beat lgd

[worn drift]

xiao8 has done very fucking stupid shit against team spirit

[jolly crane]

Definitely

[worn drift]

ti10 and arlington major

remember when he picked naga 2 games in a row

[jolly crane]

Against everybody

[worn drift]

i remember arlington he picked dead hero naga

they lost

then he picked it again

and they lost

was just big ?????????????

[jolly crane]

looking forward to this matchup

2 god-tier coaches and players in both teams

[worn drift]

ye

i wanna see the drafts mostly

[jolly crane]

xiao8 vs lanm

nts vs maybe

[worn drift]

both teams have some bot tier carries

shiro and lou

[jolly crane]

dunno

[worn drift]

both bots

[jolly crane]

both shiro and lou are pretty consistent

but not like

yatoro level

its basically

s-tier mids for both teams

and then azure ray has fy on pos4

[worn drift]

ye nothingtosay is in really really good form

[jolly crane]

and lgd has niu

and niu is giving collapse a run for his money

havent seen a single game where he isnt top networth by minute 20

playing shit like brood

[manic ermine]

Well I just discovered this

[jolly crane]

thats a puppey troll

if ive ever seen one

[worn drift]

ye

[manic ermine]

Mhm

[worn drift]

no im pretty sure thats not wrong

[manic ermine]

Loreal is my favourite nickname

[jolly crane]

casters typically ask for pronounciation of player names

[worn drift]

on russian streams hes pretty frequently called la-ree

[jolly crane]

or maybe english dota casters just dont do their jobs

but even back in 2008 the casters asked me how to pronounce my name

[jolly crane]

good old days of 2gd getting drunk with us

[worn drift]

was surprised how good puppeys russian is earlier today

[jolly crane]

http://puu.sh/JTcIc/3f2da837f5.jpg

what do you ban

against this pos3

[manic ermine]

The experience from playing with navi

[jolly crane]

bristle ig

[worn drift]

bristle for sure

lol

[jolly crane]

he hasnt even played

spiritbreaker yet

[worn drift]

you can't let bristle go thru against offlaners that can carry the game

[jolly crane]

NTS played it mid once tho

[worn drift]

you can let it through against bot 3's but not competent 3's

[jolly crane]

the offlane necro was the only game they lost

prayge for a TI win for maybe and fy

[worn drift]

dont think spirit lose a bo5 against anyone in this tourny

[jolly crane]

depends on whether theres some more pocket picks

that theyre not prepared for

[worn drift]

ye

[jolly crane]

weve seen the willow pos1, although yatoro himself already played that and thought it was good

azure ray likes playing OD

[worn drift]

od cancer

[jolly crane]

its less annoying now

cuz no more double prison with aghs

[worn drift]

idk i will always hate pure damage orbs

[jolly crane]

but his new aghs is kinda insane as well

[worn drift]

ye

[jolly crane]

xiao8 vs lanm

[jolly crane]

This is gonna be some mass fighting I think

Lots of Chinese fans in the crowd

[worn drift]

cali/washington state both have large chinese population as well

[jolly crane]

Ye

[undone dagger]

There's a whole section of Chinese fans, the arena cleared out for this BO3 but quite a few Chinese flags in that section

[jolly crane]

That cancel on the kisses was kinda big, would've been 4 dead otherwise

Nts putting the team on his back

Guess that's how you counter the bristle

[worn drift]

lmao

ye

thats how you counter bristle

[jolly crane]

[undone dagger]

This game is hilarious

[worn drift]

dude just almost killed 3 cores in half a second

good hero

[jolly crane]

Nts still has PTSD from Magnus plays, so he decides to do it himself

Crazy game

Looked very scary for lgd

In the early

[cursive solar]

I know nothing about DOTA2. Honestly have NothingToSay...

[wraith scroll]

Kaci, hello? Is everything okay?

They’re just taking turns falling over to pad air time lmao.

[undone dagger]

It's been a long day, they've been on for 12 hours at this point and Valve is very lucky VP couldn't close out game 2

My friend and I agreed we're heading out at 11 even if this series isn't over.

[cursive solar]

Is this the last series of the night?

[undone dagger]

Yeah

[jolly crane]

probably last game of the night too

lgd looking kinda strong

[worn drift]

ye they look good

shiro's spectre looks good

[rugged cipher]

that was pretty cool

[stone geode]

isnt the top part just rendered, I remember when a team was walking out after a game and a player was too tall which meant his head was cropped by the render

[stray yew]

this game real test

can liquid finally beat gaimin xdd

[stone geode]

gay men gladiators

[stray yew]

if they cant beat gaimin then idk

liquid needs some change

id say change coach

id kick blitz and get someone that actually wants to win instead of being wet noodle and say ÝE WE'RE HAPPY TO BE THERE IN FINALS

bro start winning something

very bad attitude and vibe i get at least from these interactions with blitz

[rugged cipher]

-blitz +bulba

[stray yew]

that would be upgrade

at least they would have a ti winner in their team finally

[worn drift]

Need new carry

[stray yew]

dont think so there is noone better on scene

unless they do something wild that i dont think will happen

maybe ta2000

[worn drift]

Just get some random CIS pubber

[stray yew]

only player that would be willing to leave and would be upgrade

yes and have you seen that team they're full swedish

[worn drift]

Random cis pubber pos 1 main better than most tier 1 pro pos 1’s

[stray yew]

that would be most likly a disaster

there are personalities and cultural clashes

[worn drift]

So you are saying europeans are racists

[stray yew]

lol

i dont know how you get that conclusion but sure

[worn drift]

[stray yew]

but ye try putting an avg random russian person and avg random swedish person

[worn drift]

Im jk bro

Ik what you mean

[stray yew]

and how they deal witrh conflicts

and outside of the game stuff rly

its night and day

sure someone like pakazs would probably be upgrade too but thats not gonna happen ever

[manic ermine]

Think the most promising cis pubber is yoinked by spirit anyway

[stray yew]

russian players would be insanely difficult to slot into, even ta2000 is maybe a long stretch

[jolly crane]

if you need a carry

[worn drift]

Idk notail and ceb constructed OG squad that looked promising and they pulled some random high skill pubbers out of a thin air

[jolly crane]

you grab some underage south american pubstar

[stray yew]

actually nisha could probably play pos 1 so they could explore mid options too

[worn drift]

Never even heard of 4/5 of them

[stray yew]

ye but they had notail and ceb people that build teams over and over

that were successful

[jolly crane]

just do

what xiao8 does

[stray yew]

and now they have blitz with arguably best team

yes true

agree

[jolly crane]

man has gone through 3 different sets of players now

and consistently made top3 in TIs and majors

[stray yew]

xiao8 is like that aswell for sure

[jolly crane]

you lose

xinq, ame and faith bian

imagine

and you think "okay, lets start over and make a new top team" and hes done it again

[stray yew]

and they have blitz in liquid that has one of the best teams/best team arguably and he loses all finals and none of them were rly close

[jolly crane]

think any other coach would just throw in the towel after losing arguably some of the bst players in the world on their respective positions

[worn drift]

I miss old lgd

[jolly crane]

but the thing is

[worn drift]

Ame

[jolly crane]

if you have players like NTS and Y

you can build a team around them

and you can do the same in liquid

keep nisha and boxi

imo zai needs to go and micke, they both dont seem like they care, just like blitz

[stray yew]

i dont think they should let zai go

whatever team he joins becomes better always

that cant be coincidence

[jolly crane]

hes complacent i feel

hes not innovating, which you need to do as a pos3 atm i feel

[stray yew]

oh ye also im pretty sure insania/micke there was stat

[jolly crane]

zai is a very solid pos3, but youre competing in an era where players like collapse, ace and niu exist

[stray yew]

they play togeether since hon days

doubt they will ever split

i know its bad etc

but just putting that out

[worn drift]

Ace has kinda fallen off

Hes been doing some real dumb shit

[stray yew]

this change will never happen im pretty sure

[worn drift]

In this ti

[jolly crane]

the reason these teams do so fucking well is because they have outstanding and hungry pos3s, that wanna show theyre the greatest

[worn drift]

Questionable as fuck builds

[jolly crane]

well

[stray yew]

gaimin suffers from success

they nerfed all their heroes

[jolly crane]

so were notail and fly

[stray yew]

look at unpicked/almost unpicked heroes

so many quin heroes

[jolly crane]

but ye

you cant tell me that liquid wouldnt be a better team

[worn drift]

Gg when lesh isn’t broken beyond belief

[jolly crane]

with 33 instead of zai

[stray yew]

wdym they're still what top 6 of TI?

thats good tbh

[jolly crane]

oh for sure

and they might go further still

[stray yew]

and still best team of this season/dota year

[jolly crane]

so whatever theyre doing, it works for them

idk why but i just never feel like liquid is actually the best team in the tournament

[stray yew]

they would but what team wouldnt

replace their offlaner with 33

[jolly crane]

spirit, lgd, gg

[stray yew]

almost every team would be better

also we're talking in case where language/culture doesnt matter right

[worn drift]

33>Ace

[stray yew]

you just 1 to 1 change player

coz some of these changes wouldnt happen ofc

even if wildest stuff happens

[jolly crane]

ye then 33>ace ig

simply becuase he plays the zoo heroes better

than anybody

[stray yew]

i think every team that 33 would upgrade zai would upgrade too

like imagine if entity swapped their offlaner

[jolly crane]

not all of them imo

not spirit or lgd

but beyond that, then yeah

[stray yew]

and they got 33 or zai

they're better

[jolly crane]

ye

meh

[stray yew]

what other team idk lmk

[jolly crane]

idk

i dont value zai that highly

hes just

[stray yew]

let me think

[jolly crane]

very inconsistent imo

he has some good games

but he also has games like that tide game yday

[undone dagger]

They have not fixed the audio mix in the arena

[stray yew]

the difference with 33 and zai is at least

[jolly crane]

where hes just a meteor hammer bot for the T1s

[stray yew]

zai legit was in what

3 teams as offlaner?

[worn drift]

I do agree with you, zai gets dick sucked too much by dota community

[stray yew]

and he made all of them better

optic/secret/liquid

[jolly crane]

oh for sure

[stray yew]

all were better with zai

[jolly crane]

but like

[stray yew]

than without him

[jolly crane]

has has some games where he does really well, but he also has games where he does nothing

and thats just not smth

ive seen from people like collapse, niu or 33

[stray yew]

he must be doing lots of things right

[jolly crane]

100%

[stray yew]

zai right now might be best player to not win a ti

from active players

[jolly crane]

dunno

somnus, nts

[worn drift]

Def not

[jolly crane]

from china

NTS magnus yday was just insane

[stray yew]

somnus/fy are only others i could put in that category

[jolly crane]

even arise was impressed

[stray yew]

or rtz funnily enough i know you will hate

[jolly crane]

but yeah like

[stray yew]

because they are on the scene

for 10 years

[worn drift]

[stray yew]

still on top

[jolly crane]

most players that played at an insane level for 4+ years

have won a TI at this poiint

[worn drift]

Bro rtz is on top?

[jolly crane]

except china

[worn drift]

On top of what

[jolly crane]

so out of all the players that i feel

"deserve" a TI win

that havent yet

[worn drift]

On top of NA ig?

[stray yew]

getting to ti every year is still top, they even were 2nd in the tournament before TI

[worn drift]

Bro

[jolly crane]

id say its nts, somnus, fy, resolution

[stray yew]

resolution ye fair

[stone geode]

you wouldnt see rtz in div1 if he was in eu

[worn drift]

They go to every tournament bcuz theyre in fucking na lmao

[stray yew]

still he's active for 10 years

just like zai and somnus/fy

[jolly crane]

and hes never won anything

[stray yew]

this is some big players to not win TI

[jolly crane]

while getting auto-invite to every tourney

[worn drift]

Going to every tourny doesnt = you’re super insane super consistent whatever

[jolly crane]

yeah, he got a #2 finish here or there

[stone geode]

1 eyed among the blind

[jolly crane]

but he also has

countless 13-16th finishes

if you compare that to someone like reso

everytime he shows up in the proscene

he is getting top-tier performances and finishes

zayac and him carried secret to a #2 last year

whens the last time

you saw rtz carry a team to a top3 finish?

[stray yew]

ye but i was talking active players

hence i didnt put reso

[jolly crane]

ye

fair

idk

[stray yew]

coz he could be up there tbh

[jolly crane]

i watch 30min of shopify rebellion

i dont consider rtz an active player

pun intended

[worn drift]

[jolly crane]

look at some of these other teams

the carry comes through twingate at minute 6 or 7

to take a tower or get some kills

[stray yew]

oh ye from offlaners that neither 33 or zai would be upgrade over

pure probably

another one

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

i dont think 33 or zai would be upgrade over pure

[worn drift]

True

[jolly crane]

but pure needs i think

another year or two

[stray yew]

pure is only 19

[jolly crane]

to really mature his playstyle

[stray yew]

and ye skilled enough to do dumbest shit ever

so people still wanna play with him

[stone geode]

im BB enjoyer

[worn drift]

If betboom figured out how to play outside of lanes that they didn’t stomp they would be contender for winning this ti

But since they dont know how to do that they wont

Actual lost children pov watching them play non-stomped lane games

[jolly crane]

1-0 for GG, just go next

that liquid draft is.... idk

[worn drift]

yea that looks stinky

[jolly crane]

whats going to stop this bloodseeker

to not just run into them

and centaur

and necro

the pos3 kunkka?

[stray yew]

bloodseeker

isnt rly sought after pick

but with weaver being more popular

maybe SMART

[jolly crane]

ye

and like

[worn drift]

i mean its something that doesnt really lose lane

[jolly crane]

feel in general its kinda flying under the radar in the tank meta as well

[stray yew]

tbh he just gets linken

[jolly crane]

bloodmist kinda strong

against the tonk meta

[stray yew]

if its core weaver i mean

not this game ofc

[jolly crane]

ye

i feel like

GG is just gonna

[worn drift]

i think ppl are overrating the weaver flex

[stray yew]

i dont miss weaver 4 meta

[jolly crane]

run them down minute 20

with necro and phoenix and bloodseeker heal

[stray yew]

it used to be way more op

[worn drift]

i dont think this weaver 4 is good at all

[jolly crane]

and whats liquid gonna do about it?

[stray yew]

think its ok

rly good in lane

[jolly crane]

they dont have the damage early on

[stray yew]

and you dont need to be good player to have impact as weaver

[worn drift]

flexing it 1/4 is dumb i think

[jolly crane]

to stop them fgrom just outhealing them

[stray yew]

it got nerfed A LOT

[stone geode]

TUNDRA NINE weaver

[thorny fiber]

Its dyrachyo

[jolly crane]

weaver 4 is very strong

[thorny fiber]

Prob whats going to stop it

[jolly crane]

dunno

luna will have

3 people jumping on her head

[stray yew]

bs vision got them this kill actually

[jolly crane]

ye

weaver can trade very well

with most pos 5s atm

[worn drift]

ye but game doesnt end in lanes

unless you think you can just win against gg in lanes

and win the gmae

[jolly crane]

weaver still does a lot

[worn drift]

surely not

[jolly crane]

bugs are very strong

and shukuchi does good dam with lv10 talent

[stray yew]

remember old bugs

and old shard

[worn drift]

ok but where is your cc on your supports

they're playing with torrent, invoker cc, and luna q

lmao

[jolly crane]

i mean

thats almost every draft tho

well if they play lanes like that

chasing for kills whiule getting spell harrassed

[worn drift]

told you ace is questionable

[jolly crane]

tbf theyre

completely outlasthitting

on all lanes

but ye idk

i play weaver4 a few times

[worn drift]

ye quinn kinda just fucked on invoker

[jolly crane]

its not the old aghanims shit anymore

you just play control items

like atos

or vessel

and run down supports

you can farm neutrals pretty well with bugs

its strong for tormentor and roshan

[worn drift]

idk i dont think its strong but thats fine

[jolly crane]

is it as good as other pos 4s? absolutely not. but it serves as a flex pick which gives you a draft advantage

[worn drift]

zai

[jolly crane]

ye

that shouldve been a 100% kill

on the bs

[stray yew]

so gaimin gonna win in 25 minutes

whats new

or will they

[worn drift]

probably will

[stray yew]

kunkka just needs aghs and invoker is full build already

coz he has urn with charges finally

but ye looks like classical invoker game

you just get jumped on

[manic ermine]

Gg looking like a safe top 3 contender atm

[stray yew]

they havent played any decent team in LB and now they're playing team that they heavily farmed

but ye they look scary

maybe one of these inspired LB runs

[manic ermine]

I just like how they play as a team atm

[stray yew]

they do stomp everyuone in 25 minutes tho

[manic ermine]

Liquid looks so lost compared to yesterday

[stray yew]

so maybe it doesnt matter they played weaker teams you could say

i wonder whta map score is in gg vs liquid

are they like fucking

20 maps to 2 in favour of gg

across entire season

lol

[manic ermine]

They got us rid of the boring turtling teams bless gg

[jolly crane]

@stray yew

zai reminds me of wobin rn

constantly missing x-torrent combos

[stray yew]

that would explain a lot

tbh wobin was next level

after the game he says

'I DIDNT KNOW YOU CAN PRESS X TO X BACK'

[jolly crane]

[stray yew]

[jolly crane]

idk

[stray yew]

wtf is this fight

[jolly crane]

nisha looks completely lost this TI

[stray yew]

how does bs just run at them

randomly

[manic ermine]

I like how dyrachyo plays

[jolly crane]

im supposed to update guides but

im watching TI instead

[stray yew]

[worn drift]

ok

[stray yew]

damn triple torrent

[slow nymph]

wtf

[stray yew]

lmao

[worn drift]

they did something good

that was like

[jolly crane]

nah

that was just

[worn drift]

most ideal situation you could ask for

lmao

[jolly crane]

insanely atrocious play from GG

weaver skips lane top, you know theyre coming

they place a terrible obs

and you stack all 3 cores in the pit

its like the fucking

5man roshan aa blast from EG

what a clownshow

[worn drift]

idk how either of these teams beat like lgd or spirit

like what am i watching

[jolly crane]

they dont

[manic ermine]

Lol ok they mega threw

[worn drift]

like the competition in dota is so low rn teams like this make it to top 6

[jolly crane]

honestly

the only surprising part rn

is that quinn hasnt destroyed his items yet

[worn drift]

LOL

[stray yew]

liquid winning a game off gg

(possibly)

(any minute)

[jolly crane]

i believe

in micke throwing the game back to GG

[manic ermine]

He's too farmed for that

[stray yew]

lol

will zai miss

more spells

you were right

its wobin @jolly crane

[stone geode]

only needed to hit one torrent

to turn the game

[jolly crane]

why

would he

egg

???

he has a necro next to him

and they cant connect, hes behind the gate

the funniest part about that rosh fight was

liquid didnt even smoke

they just ran in like some 5k team

[stone geode]

bloodseeker gaming

[jolly crane]

and it worked

cuz GG didnt place wards or had supports to break a smoke

[stray yew]

its over

[jolly crane]

instead hiding in treeline

[stone geode]

BS no bb

luna kills base

[jolly crane]

this is some proper

lower bracket fiesta

what is he doing

down there

he knows liquid just killed rosh and wants to push bot next

so lets farm

bot lane

[stone geode]

killing wave to protecc racks

[jolly crane]

right in front of the twingate

[stone geode]

xdd

[jolly crane]

lets chase into eclipse

[stone geode]

BS not a good hero

[jolly crane]

BS wouldve been

perfectly fine this game

[thorny fiber]

Dyrachyo

[jolly crane]

but not the way they played it

[thorny fiber]

Not good enough

[jolly crane]

nah this is on the supports

i hate to say it because

seleri and tofu are both insane supports

[thorny fiber]

I mean he made some absolute horrible moves

[jolly crane]

but that rosh pit fight is 1000% on them

[thorny fiber]

Just dying for no real reason

[jolly crane]

well thats dyrachyo

always has been

[thorny fiber]

Misjudging his strength

[jolly crane]

and theyve won multiple tourneys and majors with him playing like that

cause half the time it works out

and he does some insane play

[thorny fiber]

Seemed easy in the end

[worn drift]

that roshan they went for

clowntown

3 cores stacked

against kunkka

[thorny fiber]

Back to back huge mistakes

And then easy win

[jolly crane]

and both supports

afk in the treeline

no one spots them coming

they didnt even have to smoke

they just run down the lane

tofu stands beneath the roshpit, but they have a ward there

just 1 player standing on the ledge

they see them coming, they pop cent ult and fight them

and theyre too far ahead

but this is worrying for liquid imo because just like in their series vs spirit yday, theyre basically relying on the enemy team to make some crazy mistakes to win

[thorny fiber]

Matumba roasting them

[jolly crane]

well hes right

just bad play

terrible play

[thorny fiber]

Ye

[jolly crane]

this ward

is so trash

cuz iutdoesnt see shit

because of the tree

supports just gotta break the smoke

thats all it took

[thorny fiber]

Ye

Sloppy

[jolly crane]

basically on tofu

cuz the phoenix kinda wants to stay back

[stray yew]

basic mistake

and they had offmeta carry

= lose game insta

bs not the hottest hero i guess

[worn drift]

idk why ppl dont pick PA

i feel like she can still be really good in competitive games

[thorny fiber]

Dyrachyo has this fake confidence about him