DotA

[worn drift]

i wish random was removed

if someone in the game randoms people should honestly get to vote on whether they get free leave lol

[worn drift]

i love playing with god tier supports

2nd wave this shadow shaman somehow is just 1v2'ing the enemy 3 and 4 and we just kill them without me doing anything

[jolly crane]

"we kill them without me doing anything"

[quartz python]

And then he yells at the ss for stealing the kill gold becos sup

[manic ermine]

Last hits go to carry

Including heroes if possible

[worn drift]

Look look

I did participate

I threw a dagger and blinked in to make sure they died

But i was just hitting creeps under tower i look over this guy ha the 3 and 4 at like 200 or so hp

Idek how

Guys the GOAT

[worn drift]

Ill never yell at a great support

If he makes it so I can hit creeps without any contest I’ll tip him all game

[rugged cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/tipping-intensifies-gif-8464815

[worn drift]

The tipping intensified with your mom last night mizu

She was a big tip fan

[humble yew]

https://tenor.com/view/when-flying-man-roof-gif-20426209

[jolly crane]

one thing that im surprised we havent seen yet, and i fully expect to see, is wyvern mid or carry

feels kinda perfect for current meta

cold embrace on your own beefers, and arctic burn is pretty damn good against the common heroes atm as well

sven/ck etc. all dont wanna play into wyvern either

[stray yew]

i think she's too slow

that hero is even slower at farming than willow

you need at laest what

bots/shard/witchblade/aghs

to even remotely participate in the game

[jolly crane]

id say you just play it like invo

with vessel aghs

and fight

cuz ye, farming is super slow

[plush pivot]

What happened to lesh?

[jolly crane]

tank meta

meta heroes atm have like 3k hp minute 20

lesh just cant get through that fast enough before he dies imo

some people still play it tho

[molten gorge]

Brewmaster actually hella fun

Once you set up keybinds for the micro

[stone geode]

Wasnt there supposed to be true sight

[manic ermine]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/s/pQuSMSAm6e

[worn drift]

Prize pool going to the moon looks like

[molten gorge]

Oh fr?

Did they change the contribution

[worn drift]

Ye elfie onlyfans income gonna get donated

About to go sicko mode

This is the real battle pass

Instead of compendium with no skins you can see some ruskaya pizda

[stone geode]

just buy the battlepass, lmao

[rugged cipher]

But will it be donated through battle pass 25% thing or somehow squeezed in 100%

Cant read reddit post without app and age verification on Phone

[jolly crane]

didnt she cheer for tundra last year and then they won TI?

[manic ermine]

Ye she buffed skitter

[jolly crane]

man needs a buff, yeah

[worn drift]

he needed her awhile ago

[worn drift]

We back soon

[thorny fiber]

We done soon

[worn drift]

[slow nymph]

this opening ceremony is sick

[worn drift]

Agree

[slow nymph]

if gabe pops out im gonna cry

[worn drift]

Seeing it in person would have been chills

The orchestral music would have been insane

Oh my god its him

[plush pivot]

gabe lost weight

hopefully nothing is wrong with his health

[worn drift]

He is immortal

I didn’t know all ti’s were held in seattle before

[jolly crane]

ye ti2 until like 6 or 7 were in seattle

[worn drift]

Why’d they stop

[jolly crane]

cause key arena, the arena they used to host it it, was being renovated for like 5 years

[worn drift]

Ah

[jolly crane]

so now that its finished theyre back in seattle

[worn drift]

Lets go nouns, knockout gg so i can watch quinn kick something

[jolly crane]

im really digging the church/stained glass aesthetic

[worn drift]

Yes that was sick

Imagine if they change them based on heroes picked on each side

And when they die the glass shatters then reforms

[manic ermine]

the heroes in the glass is the tundra ti winning lineup

[worn drift]

Ah

[manic ermine]

So I doubt they will change

[worn drift]

Cringe mickey mouse ti

[manic ermine]

Say what you want but Tundra played way better that TI

Than any other team

[worn drift]

Idk if the competition was very good

[manic ermine]

It was

[worn drift]

Not imo

[manic ermine]

They just did so many micro things way better

Besides wraith pact the things they did were disgustingly good

[worn drift]

No one really looked in actual good form except tundra who had everything figured out

[manic ermine]

Secret looked pretty good

Rng looked good but they caught COVID

Liquid was a wild card

[worn drift]

It was just a very low quality Ti in terms of honestly like every aspect

It felt like some major

With super dog shit organizer

[manic ermine]

I think just having top 4 in the huge arena was a bit lame yeah

[worn drift]

Felt like bad gameplay, bad competitive integrity with all the bullshit happening with no sound proofing and crowd call outs

Most teams you expected to show up and perform just fell flat

Bad meta

[plush pivot]

I am digging you

(wrong channel)

stained glass is cool tho, big agree

maybe they foreshadowing art update? could be them looking at d4 and be like "yeah, we could do the same, looks cool"

[jolly crane]

nah its just a hard to say, but ever TI had a theme typically

[worn drift]

Could be cool

[manic ermine]

I'm feeling gg will crush nouns

[jolly crane]

was usually a color-based theme

guess now they went with this

[worn drift]

Thats what everyone expected tundra to do

[manic ermine]

Well I hope gg wins because they actually are more fun to watch this TI

[worn drift]

I just wanna see quinn madge tbh

[manic ermine]

Gg knows how to close a game early which is refreshing from 50 min games from other teams

[worn drift]

They don’t tho

They only closed out 9p fast lol

[manic ermine]

They won a game minute 25

[worn drift]

And 9p are trash

Yea and they also had several 60 min games

[manic ermine]

9p is uh

Special

They destroy bb and then get eliminated

[worn drift]

9p is a dog team theyre playing some fucking alch every game

Kiyotaka looks like hes in division 2 form

[molten gorge]

OH NO

[manic ermine]

That's why I like them

9p are the cheesiest team

[worn drift]

What no way

Where kunkka

Unbanned unpicked

Okay now you can go ahead and pick kunkka gg

And if they ban kunkka its pango

[molten gorge]

quinn 5d chessing his team into letting him pick pango

[manic ermine]

Spectre went uncontested

[worn drift]

Insane really

Some teams just not practicing it or something

[stone geode]

triple lane cam still missed the kill

[worn drift]

Puppey casting in russian on nix stream

[stray yew]

are these casters clueless or what underlining that gunnar is 300-400 nw up on quin

ye i wonder why

maybe coz he got 1st blood?

[jolly crane]

maybe

[stone geode]

also saying brew is so poor while he is 3 cs behind the weaer and has faster than avg urn

[jolly crane]

bad rune control from nouns

[stray yew]

lmao shield rune

🐸

[jolly crane]

gg got every power rune so far

[worn drift]

Ye

Anton

322?

[jolly crane]

well

its minute 14

time to farm for the next 15min

[worn drift]

1 big negative of playing these greedy supps with mass nw

When you die its like a core dying

[rugged cipher]

why do svg sound like waga

[humble yew]

[stray yew]

wtf is this furion doing

[humble yew]

19 min mid t3 down

[stray yew]

that brew has legit

2k nw

he has midas and 3k gold that isnt used

he's legit minute 5 hero

[stone geode]

soon its going to be the classic furion die trying to farm ancients

[humble yew]

[stone geode]

panda micro

[stray yew]

XD

[stone geode]

isnt he supposed to be a brew main

[stray yew]

[stone geode]

[worn drift]

Chen kinda strong

[stray yew]

now time to farm for 15 minutes and wait for 2nd rosh

ok 5

i bet most teams would struggle closing the game/getting enemy team to be choked on the map in 25 minutes ngl

its only gg that did it so far

[stone geode]

yep

its been good watching them

[worn drift]

They seem in good form ye

[humble yew]

avg game time for GG is 38min

it's 55 for nouns

[stone geode]

losing to talon was kinda xdd

[worn drift]

Surely gg dont manage to lose this unloseable game

[humble yew]

[worn drift]

K1 is ramping

[stray yew]

ye

[stone geode]

timelapse sunder

[humble yew]

this brew is melted butter

[stray yew]

ramping to coffin

[worn drift]

Ye

[jolly crane]

what brew

[worn drift]

Fight with no meta

[stray yew]

that brew

minute 25

had 7k nw i think

withm idas

and 3k gold in eq

xdddd

[worn drift]

Pos 2 and 3

Less ne

[jolly crane]

theres a brew in this game`?

[worn drift]

Nw

Than chen

Lmao

[stray yew]

i mean ofc

they are 2 rax down

-inf gold

[jolly crane]

amd ES bought back

[stray yew]

ye he bought back

[jolly crane]

nouns just has no waveclear

or damage

typical TB game

but i feel the biggest issue simply was the ES not getting any power runes until like minute 18

[worn drift]

Think better teams punish gg for the sloppyness towards the end

[manic ermine]

Was an enjoyable watch

Punishing greed

[stone geode]

ephey replaced

[worn drift]

Ye puppey knows

[jolly crane]

jordanian woman replaced by the israeli chad

(im joking)

[stone geode]

pick chen, blyat

[worn drift]

Hes saying if nouns was better they could have made that game go 40+ mins

[jolly crane]

ye

they had

[worn drift]

Instead they did some bullshit and just died for no reason

[jolly crane]

tb and prophet

[stone geode]

if nouns was a good team they could have won

xdd

what a statement

[jolly crane]

but they didnt keep up the creepskips and shjoving waves with illusions that well

[stray yew]

nah guys

gg just got lucky

[jolly crane]

tb kinda struggling with farm so his manta was super late

[stray yew]

3 majors was luck too

these games are lucky too

go nouns

[jolly crane]

idk i felt the prophet performance was very weak#

[stone geode]

cant wait until NA is out

[jolly crane]

shouldve controlled power runes much better

[stray yew]

ye

[stone geode]

so there is no more dicksucking

[stray yew]

but es got unlucky

2 times he run to rune

and it was on the other side

[jolly crane]

i mean

[stray yew]

dota be like that

adn you cant do anything about it

[jolly crane]

his prophet was with him

[worn drift]

Thats not unlucky thats just quinn effect

[jolly crane]

why does he go for the same rune as his prophet even

[stray yew]

he still doesnt get it

it gets denied eithertway

[jolly crane]

dunno if youre memeing on me for saying they didnt get powerrunes

cuz that wasnt RNG

that was just bad play in mid

[stray yew]

what no he just went top and rune was bot

and i mean it

or bot and rune was top

[jolly crane]

well yeah but like

his prophet came mid

at 5:30

to drop a sentry on bot runespot#

and he rolling boulders bot

before quinn was 6

[stray yew]

i could load ingame and check his pov but eitherway it gets denied i think coz gg had bigger numbers on mid

which is kinda usual for them

[humble yew]

Purge

[jolly crane]

if he goes top, he contests rune there, gets the haste that quinn later uses to pressure the prophet (and barely misses kill)

for the 8min rune

gg had 3people mid

but the 6min rune was just

gunnar messing up imo

cuz he gets the rune guaranteed

with ES

dunno how quinn would deny it

and it was good runes too

6min haste, 8min arcane

if ES gets those, he kills tide top with the haste for sure, and secures bottom t1 with the arcane

but ye, GG draft just way better imo

easier to execute too

[stray yew]

shouldnt it be alwways easier to be on team that doesnt rly need to do anything

aka nouns in that case

[stone geode]

I was surprised to see weaver as first pick

[stray yew]

like they win late game

by just existing

[jolly crane]

dunno, you play into weaver/tide/pango with no hard lockdown

winning teamfights there means just executing well and having good teamfight coordination/vision.

gg just puts tide up front with chen+weaver behind and runs down towers one by one

and the TB/prophet didnt skip waves

until all t2s were gone

or well, mid/top t2

[stray yew]

they needed es to be fat

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

or tide to be well nto fat

one of these had to happen

and it didnt

[jolly crane]

ES+willow can kill tide early but like

tide had too good of a lane

[stray yew]

its ace

[jolly crane]

so the moment he got hammer, he just duo'd with the chen pmuch

ye

[stray yew]

this guy even in worst game

has decent game

[jolly crane]

i mean its tide into a TB lane

0 pressure on him

so he was gonna have an insane game for sure

they needed ES rotations top but without runes, wcyd

[stray yew]

probably had stacks too

[jolly crane]

dunno

grim was on lane 24/7

but he can still stack big camp at least with stroke

think nouns could do a lot better but yamsun is just kinda... not a support

that safelane just didnt work, prophet+TB is just... what even is that

[worn drift]

Ass

[stone geode]

I dont remember furion looking good in any of the games ive seen

[jolly crane]

imo its a bad pos5

works well as a pos4 if you have a self sufficient offlane like tide or bristle

that are hard to take down when you leave the lane for 30-60seconds

and it keeps you in the game because you can easily skip waves in midgame

teleport in, spawn treants, teleport out, run the creeps into a neutral camp with the treant

i still dont understand

why no one is playing puck into dazzle mid

[stone geode]

I thought dazzle was going to be 3

but I suppose quinn doesnt play LD

and ace does

[jolly crane]

alch having a blast

kobold and golem camps galore

actually a meme

the camp RNG

[stone geode]

same game as g1

[jolly crane]

nouns getting schooled

[stray yew]

why would anyone pick spectre and es

when you can pango and chen

[jolly crane]

ye the chen basically wins them both games

the solar bind/vessel dispels

from the satyr creeps

[stray yew]

naa g1 no

[jolly crane]

are just too high value

[stray yew]

tide wins them g1

imo

but g2 for sure chen

[stone geode]

spectre doesnt really have anyone to play with

[jolly crane]

spectre is playing dogshit items

[stone geode]

and its ogre before he even recovers from his dogshit lane

[jolly crane]

can easily play with the kotl or tusk

but not when you have 4k networth mintue 20

in items

[manic ermine]

No early participation with spectre means bad news

Because you're not taking advantage of what makes her strong

[jolly crane]

they couldve killed the LD bottom for example

but not when youre going radi after blademail

[stone geode]

he got 6 late and he cant kill anyone with his team at that point

[jolly crane]

he did tho

[stone geode]

1 tiny kill on accident

[jolly crane]

hes just playing like a bot

havent seen a single tomato camp yet

[stray yew]

they have decent team tbh

they can combo lots of stuff

they just

didnt do it

[jolly crane]

theyre just not itemizing well imo

kotl solarbind+vessel

with spectre shadowstep

[stray yew]

spectre cant rly do anything

[jolly crane]

is a kill on almost anybody

[stray yew]

its a lil bit like my game spectre with seli

when my core dies 4 times

and venge shouldve swapped him

so we can turn then

but we never did it

[jolly crane]

ye

but these are TI players, not people who played 50games of dota

[stone geode]

they didnt even look like a team

just dismantled

[jolly crane]

i mean you have

octarine darkseer

radi spec

[stone geode]

against chen alch

[jolly crane]

just the ultimate greed

against the only team in the lower bracket that isnt gonna let the game go 50 minutes

[stone geode]

just delay with kotl xdd

[jolly crane]

this wouldve worked

against any of the other LB teams

[stray yew]

ye octarine on darkseer

[jolly crane]

that weve seen so far

[stray yew]

sounds mega grief

[jolly crane]

but its not gonna work against GG

[stray yew]

go pipe mek or sth idk

whatever people build

[jolly crane]

ye

he had crimson

[stray yew]

on that hero nowadays

[jolly crane]

and nothing else

[stray yew]

(something to fight)

[jolly crane]

darkseer is like prophet

[stone geode]

crimson when they were 2 rax down

[jolly crane]

you just buy whatever the game needs

cuz the hero doesnt need items to work

[stray yew]

this was biggest stomp of entire 'playoffs'

wasnt it

[jolly crane]

ye

i mean g1 was 34minutes

but it was over after 20 i feel

[stray yew]

ye g1 35 g2 like 25

60 minutes both games

[stone geode]

19 was first rax in g1

same as g2 I think

[stray yew]

😄

[manic ermine]

Bb vs vp should be hype

[jolly crane]

nah

its gonna be

CIS fiesta

[stone geode]

cis clown fiesta

[jolly crane]

lowerbracket CIS fiesta

gonna be some crystal maiden carry pick or smth

[stone geode]

bb has better players but vp played well as a team

also better drafts id say

[manic ermine]

Vp has a decent chance of beating bb

[stone geode]

its like 55:45 for bb in my head

[manic ermine]

Probably

[jolly crane]

is that the odds or the final killscore?

probably both

[worn drift]

Lol

[stone geode]

yes

[stray yew]

it kills me azure ray will split/'retire' after this TI anyway

even if they win

just stick for full season once

[jolly crane]

ngl itd be glorious

maybe/fy coming back after "retirment"

crushing everybody

[stone geode]

is it just a stack for TI?

[jolly crane]

only to drop the mic after winning TI and leaving the scene forever

[jolly crane]

ye

well not just TI but like

only tourney they played prior was bali major

[stray yew]

they are getting top 8 or top 6 of TI after not even playing competitively for like 6 months

or longer

not sure what spot you have secured if you are in uppers like they are

[jolly crane]

this match gonna have more viewers than grand finals, unless theres a CIS team in the finals

[jolly crane]

top 6 ye

[stray yew]

but ye considering this is team they put up before riyadh

[jolly crane]

guaranteed top3 for china again

[stone geode]

synced shoes

FNG veteran, 28 years old

save 21, looks 35

[stray yew]

i cant with this bb coach

he looks like some propaganda poster boy

idk why

[stone geode]

squad one ex

[humble yew]

any predictions on the BO result

[stone geode]

how long was VP green and black colours

until they switched back to orange

[plush pivot]

Real dotka time

[stone geode]

davai, davai

330 base? sheesh

is maiden still 285?

[humble yew]

average spectre laning phase

[stone geode]

last hit attempt into TP

[stone geode]

screen kinda smol

but I guess thats the photo making it look that way

[undone dagger]

Yeah, it's plenty large

[plush pivot]

Typical CIS killing spree

Now that’s fun to watch

[stone geode]

wdym despite the counterpick

woof

what a play from monkey

[worn drift]

Are you at the event?

[undone dagger]

Yup, figured I had to do it once

[worn drift]

Holy pooooog

Was the opening ceremony hype

[undone dagger]

It was very cool

I'm expecting the arena to be rocking for Liquid/Spirit

[worn drift]

Ye for sure

[stone geode]

how much did it cost

[undone dagger]

Let's not talk about that...

Suffice it to say I'm hoping for lots of drops

[jolly crane]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-war-everything-avengers-gif-14066494

[plush pivot]

I once visited epicenter and realised that I am just too old or shy for it. People chant and yell around and I can't join them. I do plenty of yelling and cheering at home tho

[stone geode]

bara having a nightmare

[worn drift]

rip vp

[worn drift]

bara isn't a hero that has nightmares

[stone geode]

only for so long

[worn drift]

even with 0 nw he still charges you and cc's you for like 4 seconds thru bkb then you hit him for no dmg he runs away charges you again constantly splits waves etc

insane broken hero

[stone geode]

hard to push base

[plush pivot]

Undying 6.5k hp

[jolly crane]

status resistance is a good stat

[plush pivot]

[jolly crane]

nice armlet toggle

[worn drift]

decent lil stat

[stone geode]

just buy midas on all heroes

[plush pivot]

Hopefully vp won’t disband/change players and just keep this roster

[jolly crane]

wdym

BB is gonna throw this

VP gonna hit 25 on 3 cores now

dödelus now

[stone geode]

muerta can just kill the whole team

[jolly crane]

doom and muerta werent 25 in the previous fights

they are now

[plush pivot]

I mean VP highly unlikely to win TI, and every non winner team typically changes roster

Sometimes even winners

[jolly crane]

oh yeah

[plush pivot]

That refresher

[jolly crane]

kiritych trolling

not using ult

a single time in this fight

[worn drift]

ye

wk refreshed at 1 hp

after leaving doom zone

for .1 sec

[jolly crane]

idk why he doesnt use

pierce the veil

after the wk died first time

[worn drift]

just trolling

[jolly crane]

to just destroy the wk in like a second

[plush pivot]

They don’t even need muerta

[worn drift]

wait

why were they not breaking bot while

they showed 3 heroes top

[jolly crane]

dunno

[plush pivot]

Don’t think BB is throwing this

[worn drift]

im actually lost

are they scared of 2 heroes

[plush pivot]

32k, doubt

[jolly crane]

VP still gonna win this

[stone geode]

vp can turn

[stray yew]

why do you even look at gold at this time

ive seen people with -70k win games this late

[stone geode]

kunkka and doom are big

[worn drift]

kunkka is one of the most op heroes late

low bkb duration double water park is gg

unplayable

[stray yew]

buybacks probably more important than gold

[plush pivot]

Because it’s still a factor that plays its role

[worn drift]

man its funny when supports get rich in these late games

and get free aghs from rosh n shit lmao

[stone geode]

heart on undying actually a troll

[stray yew]

toronto 12k hp

wtf is happening

are they throwing

[stone geode]

yes

[stray yew]

naa its fine

they just extended the game

tbh

[plush pivot]

CIS dotka

[stray yew]

vp is actually doing it

invoker trying to rat

[worn drift]

damn

wk got refresh off

after getting forced

jesus

[jolly crane]

neutral droprate

[stray yew]

isnt it over

they just press bkb throne

no glyph

no fucks give

n

[jolly crane]

probably ye

[plush pivot]

Smol undying

[stray yew]

ok i guess not

[worn drift]

god

wtf

was that

[stone geode]

its over

[worn drift]

suicide run in

[stone geode]

just push down mid for vp

[worn drift]

against tusk aghanim

and rapier muerta

how moronic

and also no buybacks

[stray yew]

bara players

[stone geode]

willow carry

this is how you play it

xdd

[stray yew]

lol

[worn drift]

wait

[stray yew]

why are they not protecting wave

??

[worn drift]

they really arent going to end

[stray yew]

coz they inted aswell

[worn drift]

jfc

[stone geode]

xdd gaming

[jolly crane]

clowngame

[stray yew]

i mean elimination game

and they're against megas

its quite crazy xdd

[jolly crane]

ye

[plush pivot]

0 nerves gaming wdym

[jolly crane]

doom just has to

stay with the wave

[stray yew]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[jolly crane]

kill SB again

dieback

and then its 5v2 in base

[plush pivot]

It’s the same as comfy team practice in your home room

[jolly crane]

but doom was pushing out top

honestly

they shouldve just backdoored top t2+rax

and get megas too

[plush pivot]

Kunkka rapier as well?

[jolly crane]

nah

kunkka is just a control bot

[plush pivot]

How else should they improve

[worn drift]

deso on kunkka

why is he inting

[jolly crane]

it was for basepush

he swaps in

other item

[worn drift]

ik what its for but seems useless

he also didnt have another item to swap

[jolly crane]

had 11k gold

the mai nissue is that VP doesnt have supports

that can solo a wave of megas

[worn drift]

just buy radiance

[jolly crane]

so they have to commit their cores to it

thats not enough

megas have 1.1k hp

radi is 35dmg/sec

[worn drift]

muerta not buying aghs

[plush pivot]

Willow wants rapier

[stray yew]

ye

coz willow can just bkb and w

and press building

and win

probably

game got rly weird

[jolly crane]

tough tho

vs kunkka

VP just has too much control

[stone geode]

VP has strong teamfight

[plush pivot]

Is it kinda stalemate now?

[stone geode]

with all the refreshers

[stray yew]

it is

[stone geode]

even bara cant play

[stray yew]

everyone has buyback aswell

[jolly crane]

farming up buybacks

and lv 30s

my main concern is with muerta not having pike anymore

[plush pivot]

Do dota tourneys regulate chatting?

[jolly crane]

so attackrange is kinda nonexistant

[jolly crane]

not really

im sure theyve all signed some decorum agreements

[plush pivot]

Guess I can go to sleep, will wake up just in time for 3rd game

[stone geode]

I want 2-0 so I can go sleep

[worn drift]

they should just all buy brooch

to just kill muerta in ult

[jolly crane]

tzhe problem is

the disables

they cant hit in the first place

[stone geode]

double doom double kunkka

xdd

[plush pivot]

Dota needs shrinking arena like in battle royals

[worn drift]

undying need refresher

drop 2 tombs

die

[plush pivot]

-2 buybacks I suppose

[humble yew]

the hell is this game

[plush pivot]

dotka

[stone geode]

xdd gaming

[worn drift]

willow giving dick

[stone geode]

do you even want aegis

[jolly crane]

well

[stone geode]

just -1 item

[jolly crane]

VP gonna play safe now

[plush pivot]

I wonder how many times analysts went into studio and game just doesn’t end

[stray yew]

[worn drift]

aghs on the ground

lmfao

i cant

[jolly crane]

everybody has blessing already

[stray yew]

wait if it goes for 20 more minutes

there will be rapiers all over the ground

[jolly crane]

and you cant sell aghs blessing

[stone geode]

does it rain rapiras at 100

[jolly crane]

you can sell cheese at least

[worn drift]

i know its just funny as fuck

[stray yew]

nah people will just not care about picking them up

coz they just restock

they have 15k gold on them

[stone geode]

go base race rat play with bots

[plush pivot]

Roshan drops big mac

[worn drift]

toronto making big cheese

lmao

[stray yew]

lmao

[stone geode]

willow 2 rapiras

[worn drift]

what

was he even doing

LMAO

[jolly crane]

getting megas

but they did that play once before

[plush pivot]

Trying to destroy barracks and getting back via mark

[jolly crane]

and gpk probably heard crowd

so he BoTd back

[stone geode]

lmfao

what a game

[stray yew]

nah they saw

[worn drift]

jesus christ man

[plush pivot]

That was fun

[stray yew]

coz the guy that micro'd

went up higground

[worn drift]

what a game lmao

[stray yew]

the throne vision

[jolly crane]

dunno

[stray yew]

is insane

[jolly crane]

maybe

[stray yew]

ye im 100% sure

[jolly crane]

but it was night time

[stray yew]

they could see

a glimpse

doesnt matter

throne vision is basically

to where highground starts

[slow nymph]

they pinged it out

im sure they saw too

[stray yew]

ye

they saw

100%

the guy microing the minions fucked up

[jolly crane]

dunno why he wouldnt push rax with bkb anyway

anyway

neat game but

better team won

top6 are definitely the best 6 teams in the tourney

[slow nymph]

i wonder if x ran out while in tornado or if kunkka fucked up and xed back manually

[wraith scroll]

What a game though, was really good for them to nearly come back from that.

[plush pivot]

TI worthy game

finals should be 5 such maps

[jolly crane]

BB just had the better lategame pos5

willow vs grim

grim just doesnt do anything in late

[stone geode]

does tornado dispel X?

[jolly crane]

nah but if you recall during tornado

[stray yew]

grim is good in late

[jolly crane]

it gets cancelled

[stray yew]

just not in late lat elate late

[jolly crane]

well ultralate

[manic ermine]

The best matchup is at the worst time of the day

[stray yew]

ye

but willow ultra late

is fucking dumb

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

toronto

[jolly crane]

like

they completely destroyed the wraithking

couldnt do anything

but the 13k hp undying and willow

just killed throne

[stone geode]

wraithking bait with refresher

[plush pivot]

next series with spirit

but it's already 3am

[stone geode]

unlugi

only 00:49 here

bud bedge nevertheless

[undone dagger]

I just realized these betboom jerseys are clearly a reference to old Sonics jerseys

[manic ermine]

Matu on pannel

[worn drift]

btw puppey still gonna play next season

lmao

[wraith scroll]

Matu 😭

[worn drift]

hype game

[jolly crane]

ngl

i thought old meta had the same heroes every game

but this meta is kinda

even worse? 😄

[worn drift]

why did liquid make muerta pos 4

or maybe they're flexing sven too

[jolly crane]

carry muerta actually has kinda mediocre winrate

compared to pos4

[worn drift]

real good axe pick

[stray yew]

whats wrong with this meta

[worn drift]

seli just old and bitter hates anything that isn't ti6 china domination

idek who won ti6

[stray yew]

wings

[jolly crane]

nah its more like

[stray yew]

and wings was arguably most dominant win ever

[jolly crane]

8/10 heroes same

every game kinda?

[stray yew]

ive heard interviews with aui/ceb that said that they solved the game and they didnt understand it

[worn drift]

isnt that always the case seli

[stray yew]

and saddest part is they didnt even speak english

so they oculdnt ask them about their philosophy

[jolly crane]

basically

115 heroes, 15 of which have >50% pick/ban, and then you have ~60 heroes that arent even picked/banned in 10% of games

[worn drift]

just looked at ti 10 stats

monkey king 96.91% pick/ban rate

lmao

same with tiny

[jolly crane]

ye

http://puu.sh/JTbWM/6d586cad24.png

like, you have a lot of insanely contested heroes and then

the dropoff is very very harsh

within 12 heroes you go from 66% pick/banrate, to 33%

[worn drift]

ye i mean

can mean a lot of things

[jolly crane]

its just the same issue as in the last meta really, with many many heroes just being outclasses by other heroes that fill the same role

[worn drift]

idk it can also mean people didn't discover meta enough and just playing what they know

[jolly crane]

nice to see magnus atm

make a bit of a comeback

phoenix too

i think overall its not too bad of a meta imo

just feels that the support pool is super small

you ahve decent variety in pos 1/2, pos3 is very limited, and the support heropool is tiny

[worn drift]

pos 1 actually feels like it doesn't have that many imba heroes

[jolly crane]

grim, muerta, willow, treant, venge, phoenix, aa, tusk, sky. thats it.

and usually

3-5 of those are banned

[stray yew]

phoenix is 1st banned a lot

[jolly crane]

ye

phoenix is like

30 picks, 65 bans

http://puu.sh/JTbYi/e53b82318a.png

i.e. in this entire list of most picked heroes

you have a few supports with sd/aa/sky at like 25+ picks

and then you see

20 heroes, 2 of them are supports. prophet and ench. the rest like kotl/dazzle are being played as cores

[worn drift]

my god

[humble yew]

https://tenor.com/view/when-flying-man-roof-gif-20426209

[worn drift]

absolutely rinsed

[humble yew]

aint no way

[jolly crane]

collapse

[worn drift]

absolutely fucked

lmfao

micke gaming

how do you win vs real teams when your carry is micke

[jolly crane]

that was some

rtz worthy play

have we had

[worn drift]

nice rp onto hg

[jolly crane]

a ravage yet?

[worn drift]

idek

feels like he just gets fucked every fight

100->0

[jolly crane]

i mean he ran down

the t1s

wioth meteor hammer

and since then

0 impact

[manic ermine]

0 ravages yet

[jolly crane]

well there we go

tide shard is so stupid actually

[stray yew]

i disagree

ok in current version its op as shit

true

but we need more mechanics like taht in dota

[jolly crane]

oh yeah for sure

but atm its just

[stray yew]

ye its too good

[jolly crane]

one of the very few blink disables

[stray yew]

thats true

[jolly crane]

that are this powerful

blink/mobility disables

[stray yew]

but having tool to deal with these fucking stupid spirits

are so rare

i swear

too rare

[jolly crane]

ye

theres a few mechanics like that

like anti-heal effects

[stray yew]

but ye in current version probably too good

[jolly crane]

are super rare as well

[stray yew]

it should time out too

[jolly crane]

disarms

[stray yew]

coz it doesnt time out im pretty sure

you need ot kill it

or it times out in 30s

or some absurd time

[jolly crane]

5hits is too many imo

[stray yew]

it should be probably killing itself

overtime

and reduced slow overtime

something like that

like lasts 10s 50% slow and less slow with each second -1 hit every 2s

+/- sthl ike that

[worn drift]

i like axe call onto sven into lead him under egg lmfao

funny to watch

[jolly crane]

it only lasts 10sec but

also only has 25sec cooldown

should work like

other spells that are similar

that it gets destroyed when you go invis/euls etc.

but it gives true vision on the unit as well

so lots of ways to nerf it imo to make it powerful but have more counterplay too

just comparing the miposhka phoenix to the fng one

insane difference imo

[worn drift]

hope to see a better game from liquid next game

[manic ermine]

Also mira willow

His dodges are insane

While other willow support players die

[worn drift]

was expecting more

[humble yew]

the crit sound from CK

[jolly crane]

worst one is naga riptide

[humble yew]

you must hear that shit in your sleep

[jolly crane]

if you play naga once, you dont wanna play it again for another week or two

[humble yew]

fwoosh 🌊

[stray yew]

lmao

larl died

holy fuck raidboss

[worn drift]

that was nice by nisha

to get aegis

[jolly crane]

al,most didnt get it

[worn drift]

ye

[jolly crane]

cuz sunray

[worn drift]

ye

[jolly crane]

not sure that was a good fight

no ravage/rp now

but ig larl respawn is long enough

that itll be up again

[worn drift]

idk if giving larl kunkka is worth

[jolly crane]

the main concern this game is the support levels

[stray yew]

i mean even trades are good for them

when you're this much behind

[jolly crane]

miposhka level 22 already, willow 19

[worn drift]

ye miposhka is fucking huge lmao

kunkka aghs shard honestly most broken shard in the game atm

[jolly crane]

nah

definitely a toptier one but

theres shards like grim shard or pudge

phoenix one as well

treant

[worn drift]

nah imo kunkka one is the best in the game

[manic ermine]

The collapse show

[stray yew]

ye grim is rly insane too

[worn drift]

it does good damage, it can reposition multiple heroes

its really large range

and width

low cd

[jolly crane]

it looks the most impactful but

[worn drift]

thats cause it is

[jolly crane]

stuff like treant or phoenix shard

are insane

grim as well

theyre just not as "flashy" in that sense

[worn drift]

being able to just take multiple heroes and move them out of position is mega broken

[jolly crane]

sure. so is making your hero permanently invisible to be able to freely ward and gain map control

[stray yew]

its almost like you're both wrong and right

[jolly crane]

so is having an on demand dispel that also heals and increases the damage of ink swell

[stray yew]

coz it depends what do you need it for

hope we can all agree tho

mirana shard is an absolute joke

[jolly crane]

kunkka shard definitely insane

hahahaha

potm shard

[worn drift]

tree used to have that as base kit

[jolly crane]

is about as good as

muerta aghs

[stray yew]

oh ye you have slark shard too

i forgot how op that is

think it got nerfed a lil tho

coz slark used to get double ult heal in it i think

its not like that anymore

[worn drift]

kunkka shard can move people out of slark shard 🙂

[jolly crane]

slark shard always valuable but it just completely invalidates some heroes

[stray yew]

it doesnt matter

coz it interrupts duel

[manic ermine]

Slark shard casually cancels duel on ally

[stray yew]

and interrupts other stuff

straight up

[worn drift]

really

that is pretty busted then

[stray yew]

ye also interrupts bane ult

for sure

[jolly crane]

any kind of local disable, even smth like axe call

[stray yew]

funnily enough

[jolly crane]

is just invalidated by slark shard

[stray yew]

dont know if you remember

but tombstone shard was even more op vs duel

coz lc would just stand at tombstone