DotA

[stray yew]

1/7/3

[manic ermine]

Proud to reach TI

[rugged cipher]

wait its moxxi+waga

what a fucking duo

[stone geode]

what is this team doing at ti

[jolly crane]

well

a team like xtreme gaming isnt at TI

for this

[stone geode]

not xtreme enough

[jolly crane]

cant remember the last time ive seen niu have a bad game

[rugged cipher]

nigma relocating to sa

[jolly crane]

think NA is easier

[rugged cipher]

well keyd actually did place better than quest that had a good run lately so they cant be THAT bad

nouns > sa pride beastcoast

[worn drift]

Talon v liquid grudge match gonna be good

[manic ermine]

9p vs bb hype

Feels like 9p can cheese the win out of nowhere

[worn drift]

Doubt it

They’re worse on skill level and dont have any unique good understanding of the game

So they’ll likely lose

[jolly crane]

i hope the breaky and moxxi casts are gone after today

guessing theyll be replaced with synderen/sunsfan and od/fogged combo for main event

[jolly crane]

whats ramzes doing

[worn drift]

why is nightfall so scared lmao

bro just stand and click

alchemist is so useless

homie just buy your teammates aghs at this point youre uselses as fuck

[jolly crane]

they abanddon him a lot in fights

like in that last fight

primal didnt even bkb

while his alch was fighting 3 people

and then gets solo eclipsed

but ye idk

[stone geode]

alchemist

[jolly crane]

warlock not skilling heal

at all

was really terrible for their lane i think

they juist got bullied way too hard

[stray yew]

ramzes

[jolly crane]

no shadow word on a lane where you get bullied is just... idk

[molten gorge]

Does cap still cast?

[jolly crane]

Ye

[stray yew]

this bb/9pandas game is getting interesting

[worn drift]

dude

[stray yew]

ok nvm

nightfall is a clown

[manic ermine]

Tormentor double kill

[worn drift]

these games are so low skill

[stray yew]

[jolly crane]

Lmao

[worn drift]

its actually just cringe

like what am i watching

[manic ermine]

This is the 9p cheese win

[worn drift]

first kiyotaka playing like a moron doing his typical pub moves dying solo at 20k nw

then these 2 idiots dying to tormentor

[stray yew]

kiyotaka plays like that always

and he either catches people off guard and gets free kills coz noone expects such reckless plays

or feeds

its just like stewie2k in csgo when he invented this reckless playstyle of running through smokes

[worn drift]

but why do that when you have such a lead its just moronic

there are times for high risk high reward gamba moves and there are times to thing objectievly and realize you are the highest nw hero on the map with massive bounty

going 1v5 is legit griefing your game

[jolly crane]

Weird that both teams play same side all 3 games

[worn drift]

have to edit my picture from earlier

bb also belongs in lower bracket

why is it minute 30 and gpk has no shard

[manic ermine]

9p won 🤠

[worn drift]

idk

so far lot of these games are just low skill as fuck

[manic ermine]

Anyway I'm rooting for NA powerhouse nouns to beat Tundra

[worn drift]

i honestly wouldnt be surprised

i cant even say anything about lgd because they basically played a bot game

and everyonse groups were all so shit

[stray yew]

what

you're cucked if you think nouns beat tundra

that would be so bad if it happens even

brakcet would be so shit

[worn drift]

idk everyone just looks like they're trolling

at this point i think most of these teams just had easy as fuck groups against troll teams

betboom looked completely lost that game lmao

both gaimin and talon looked like dogshit yesterday

like how is Ace top nw sb by like several thousands

and buys the literal worst items

[manic ermine]

Betboom drafted poorly for game 3

[worn drift]

Tbh tho with 1 week break anything can happen

[stray yew]

oh no its the 1 week break format

but also nouns doing better than anticipated

are they best NA team

not like taht means a lot

[worn drift]

ye they're kinda giving tundra the dick rn

but tundra will still win sadly

[stray yew]

ye they will

[worn drift]

bcuz just better ideas in terms of navigating the game

[stray yew]

just better team

but ye nouns doing better than likes of shopify

that are probably getting paid a fuckton

[worn drift]

i think power of nouns is that people just underestimate them and underprepare

[stray yew]

maybe ye lol

[worn drift]

like if nouns and SR played rn SR would probably win cause they're just familiar with their game

[stray yew]

is naga even a hero now

wtf was skiter doing

[worn drift]

but like this i what i mean

[stray yew]

he was just staring at witchdoctor

in his ward

[worn drift]

these teams just look like they're fucking trolling or something

[stray yew]

[worn drift]

tundra 7-1 in groups

[stray yew]

and topson just facetanking

ward

[worn drift]

getting fucked by nouns rn

[stray yew]

but they will still win

coz the diff is they gained 0 ground

[worn drift]

sure but spirit will decimate them

[stray yew]

and if tundra wins 1 teamfight

i mean spirit did fucking mega troll int vs sr too

but it was sr

so they couldnt capitalize

but idk i feel like tundra/liquid/spirit

9pandas

looking decent

[worn drift]

problem is spirit doesnt really let you capitalize, they even draft to not let you

[stray yew]

all things considered

[worn drift]

nah i dont think 9pandas is real

[stray yew]

spirit probably best

[worn drift]

lmao

[stray yew]

9pandas is a good team

they did solid througout entire season

they wont be winning

[worn drift]

they were trolling just as much as betboom that series

like that series was cringefest

[stray yew]

betboom vs 9pandas is gonna be weird game alwayts

domestic cis matchupo

always weird af

[worn drift]

nah i mean betboom in this form is terrible team

if they dont ultra stomp lane

they dont know what to do

[stray yew]

wasnt that always betboom

[worn drift]

they just walk around like disconnected pub noobs

[stray yew]

they rly like winning lanes

[worn drift]

idk

[stray yew]

domestic matchups for me always are weird and i take them with grain of salt

[worn drift]

felt like at riyadh they knew how to close games even if they arent up 20-0 at 20 mins

[stray yew]

but 9pandas was just solid team throughout entire saeson

season

made playoffs in all majors

always qualified for a major

just solid

[worn drift]

like at riyadh i feel like betboom wins that series 2-1 at least

[stray yew]

they werent ever close to winning

coz they just arent good enough

[worn drift]

nah i dont believe in 9pandas unless they tell kiyotaka to knock off the stupid shit he does randomly

[stray yew]

ramzes isnt good enough to play highest t1 dota

[worn drift]

okay guys im 23k nw im gonna go run into 5 heroes rq alone

[stray yew]

i dont think kiyotaka needs to change

i think he needs better carry player

[worn drift]

hes the reason they'll never win anything meaningful

[stray yew]

ramzes might be worst carry in t1 dota

doesnt matter how much nw he has

i always feel like he can throw

[worn drift]

nah i believe in ramzes more than rtz

or fucking

MIDNE

MIDONE*

[stray yew]

at least with rtz i can give him benefit of the doubt that he's getting trolled by shit drafts

but ye w/e doesnt rly matter

ramzes isnt a good carry for t1 dota

eitherway

[worn drift]

i also dont really think skiter is good

[stray yew]

skiter mega peaked and maybe even overperformed last ti

he was rly rock solid

either random fluke overperform

[worn drift]

i think that was jsut his team rolling people

[stray yew]

he never rly died

[worn drift]

ti11 was weird ti

all the good teams just flopped

GG still had bad mid

it was like fucking teams like

entity and gg

who were kinda mid at that point

competing

while LGD and Spirit

lost in first 2 rounds

[stray yew]

i mean spirit lost to some meme team

[worn drift]

meanwhile tundra

had the game figured out

[stray yew]

in lower bracket 1st round

[worn drift]

yea

[stray yew]

tnc maybe

dont remember honestly

[worn drift]

they performed like shit that ti

[stray yew]

irrelevant lol

[worn drift]

it was some SEA team i think

[stray yew]

ye

[worn drift]

but ye it was like tundra who figured the game out playing vs tier 1.5 teams at the time

and secret like randomly got to finals

and they weren't even a good team at the time it was just nisha and op offlane combo

meanwhile crystalis drools on himself

and will never win a game for you

[stray yew]

they had the usual

honeymoon period

with new team

[worn drift]

resolution zayac combo was too op

but ye week break means anything can happen really

[stray yew]

tundra is actually losing this

[worn drift]

nah

like you said

[stray yew]

they will lose 0-1

i think

they actually mega troll

[worn drift]

nouns wins things but just doesn't get anything from it

[stray yew]

they will win 2-1

[worn drift]

id love to see them go lower bracket but they wont

[stray yew]

idk maybe they dont even lose

that gold lead isnt even high

[worn drift]

it wont even be 2-1 it'll be 2-0

[stray yew]

doom vs naga

evens out kinda

[worn drift]

ye nah

nouns kills heroes but gold lead doesnt even go above 10k lol

some of that is doom effect tbf

and also like

[stray yew]

ye both nws are inflated

[worn drift]

they dont have heroes that farm that well

[stray yew]

coz its naga vs doom

[worn drift]

like their pos 3 is wd

clock

[stray yew]

naga is inflated nw

a lot

you need to have 1 item advantage on naga to be useful

which he does

[worn drift]

ye well

he has like 2

10k over sven

[stray yew]

ye but naga is like

not a hero you pick to win fights

you pick that hero to control map/play map in certain way

[worn drift]

ye

[stray yew]

push out lanes etc

[worn drift]

phoenix is really biggest problem this game

free egg every time

[stray yew]

how is this naga not dead

and how is tundra not punished for not killing the naga

[worn drift]

beautiful fissure

and force

shaker playing real well tbh lol

all his fissures are high value

if nouns send tundra to lb its safe to put all yoru life savings on spirit

winning it all

okay

[stray yew]

[worn drift]

this es is playign the game of his life

[stray yew]

holy

[worn drift]

gunnar

is legit soloing

literal game of his life

[stray yew]

they lost

to witch doctor off

HAAHHA

[worn drift]

this guy must be on some insane drugs

[stray yew]

thats some good shit

[worn drift]

like how is he doing this

he fissures all

blocks them all from naga

jumps in

echoes them all

while ward is going off

like wtf

god i hope nouns sends them to LB

skiter 16k dmg

didnt even get to hit

constantly fissured off kekw

[stray yew]

coz he refused to buy blinkj

they needed to jump shaker once

which they never did

[worn drift]

does it matter when clock is constantly breaking your blink same with appa

i feel like tundra just has to ban es 2 games and they win for free

gunnar was pressing his buttons way too well there

[stray yew]

oh well guess we see

id still believe its gonna be 2-1 tundra

[worn drift]

idk

i dont believe in them

they went 7-1 in easiest group by far

[worn drift]

ck almost double nw of skiter

i cant

[worn drift]

are you watching this sebek

[stray yew]

tundra losing to na

[worn drift]

im telling you

the groups were just fixed

all the teams except spirit are shit

[stray yew]

i forgot hector is in nouns that guy is beast

[worn drift]

ye

SA carries are powerful

[stray yew]

guess i was cucked

[worn drift]

skiter is just terrible

meanwhile these nouns players are playing the games of their lives

for upper bracket

[stray yew]

is there one more game?

[worn drift]

yes

entity vs someone i think

[stray yew]

ar vs

entity ar?

[worn drift]

ye

probably should be decent as well?

[stray yew]

like ar shame they only reunion because ti is around the corner

[worn drift]

i only believe in spirit at this tournament but i am also a spirit simp

bro this k1 guy is a chad

team is taking bot racks

hes just getting megas

keeps hitting racks while 2 cucks attack him

0 fucks

pulls 2 heroes onto him and nine dies for it

tundra getting dismantled by NA team and not even rank 1 NA team

[stray yew]

ye he is a beast this guy

he left or got kicked from bc i think right before last major

[worn drift]

ye

[stray yew]

or right after it maybe

[worn drift]

this willow is scaling into late game too

going to vaporize anyone not in bkb

[stray yew]

its over

they could gg it but they wont ofc

[worn drift]

ye its bad too cause megas against their lineup is quite strong

they dont have some TA that clears wave in 2 hits

this ogre needs dagon 5

[stray yew]

losing to na should insta eliminate you

they beat fucking dendis team in na qualifier to get to ti

[worn drift]

man they are fighting but their t4's getting killed

too funny

[stray yew]

ye im not even watching this state is too painful to watch

they lost but wont tap out

till throne is on ten hp

[worn drift]

ahaha

brew just killing buildings

this brew pandas do insane damage to buildings wtf

okay skiter is legit terrible at this game

ahahaha

tundra is so fucking bad

i am actually a big fan of this bo3 for ub/lb now

it counterracts the cringeness of bo2 groups

[stone geode]

tundra

[worn drift]

[manic ermine]

You don't mess with America

[worn drift]

Tundra just bots

Skiter 🤖

[worn drift]

Either that or nouns winning it all

[stone geode]

no games for 4 days

crap

[worn drift]

Ye

And then everyone comes back and its new meta

Yatoro going to pull out willow pos 1

Hes played it in pubs

[manic ermine]

Hopefully next TI is in EU so my sleep schedule doesn't get fucked like this

[humble yew]

when TI

oh tonight

[ancient harbor]

get your predictions in

[rugged cipher]

Spirit, talon, lgd, azure

tsm, gaimin, bb, tundra

[manic ermine]

Talon vs liquid should be really fun

[ancient harbor]

i haven't really followed any team in ages

what's the chances of china actually winning TI

i see 2/2 of their teams have made it to top 8

but that's still a while away

[humble yew]

Im all in for a spirit vs azure finale tbh

would love to see my man fy win

[jolly crane]

azure ray is complete wildcard imo

theyre super inconsistent

can play some incredible dota, or just throw games they have no business losing

think their one advantage, is that somnus is playing some whackass mid heroes that no one else does

cant wait for this TI to turn into alchemist 100% pick/ban again

like it always does

[manic ermine]

I feel the same way about 9p

They can either present the most amazing dota or provide the most absurd throws in history

[jolly crane]

i think its just the nature of playing off meta stuff

it looks way more exciting

but sadly its just not as consistently successful

as playing it safe

[thorny fiber]

9p also have some massive tilters in their team

[jolly crane]

yeah its like

they dont have the discipline when they have a bad fight

to recover from

[thorny fiber]

Ramzes lets go off the keyboard if it goes badly

[jolly crane]

they just keep chaining a few more bad fights

[stray yew]

if Ramzes could play like prime vp ramzes

that would be a team

[worn drift]

Spirit

Win

But ye somnus plays cancer like od

Disgusting

Pure dmg orbers

[stone geode]

VP looking decent

[stray yew]

nothing more pleasing than seeing breaker being fucked

[agile onyx]

VP did it, they banned the sproiker

[stray yew]

its just domestic matchup

these cis domestic matchups

are so dumb lol

it might aswell be true that spirit wins vs everyone else but they lose to cis team that dint even qualify

coz that region is wild

[stone geode]

viper is useless

bristle is eating them alive

[stray yew]

ye he didnt do anytihng

that pugna doing surprisingly a lot lot

saved so many people with lcutch decreps

[stone geode]

and drains

pugna almost topping viper gold

[stray yew]

void pick was bad too tbh

[stone geode]

ban bristle

[agile onyx]

i didnt see the draft, but this looks like a decent void game

[stone geode]

disgusting

[stray yew]

this would be goated slark game

dont remember if he was banned tho

[stone geode]

slark would just die to bristle I think

[agile onyx]

like with viper, you can actually chrono bristle/spectre and kill them

[stray yew]

viper is just a cuck hero

[agile onyx]

but theyre too far behind

[stray yew]

even if you're winning

you're losing

[stone geode]

ye, viper is crap

[stray yew]

coz you play viper

[stone geode]

too overboard on the break tech which didnt do anything

[stray yew]

he didnt even stomp lane

they just drafted shit

you at laest should win lane as viper

but he didnt

[stone geode]

do you win against lina though?

[stray yew]

maybe they wanted to do breaker mid

and viper off

idk

[stone geode]

I think you tie at best

[stray yew]

but they couldnt put braeker vs lina

as its unplayable

who knows

[jolly crane]

call me crazy but

people severely overvalue break vs bristle

like, its nice, but the hero still does insane damage without the passive

[stone geode]

they barely even broke spec

just a bad pick

viper popped bkb and bristle just killed him through with quills

[jolly crane]

ye

need to just

slow him down hard

but with stuff like boots of bearing etc.

thats hard as well

[stone geode]

I feel spirit drafting has been their weak point mostly

[jolly crane]

i didnt see the game though

but i just noticed how people think

if you get silver edge, bristle is a free kill

and then he pops aghs and bloodstone

and nothing happens

[stone geode]

I like vp draft here as well

was brew banned?

[manic ermine]

Bristle doesn't care about break much anyway

[stray yew]

viper break ye

but you arent winning vs bristle if you dont have silver edge 😄

[manic ermine]

You skill E once for the entire game

And just burst with aghs

[jolly crane]

well yeah but its not like suddenly the hero is useless

and yeah

the hero is so stupid

you dont even max your E

so you get more triggers

would be hilarious

if the one year that VP isnt even in anybody's consideration for TI

they win

[stone geode]

they arent winning the whole thing

[jolly crane]

not if they play like that

lmao

nie coil break

at last milisecond

but this is kinda

yatoro dreamgame

think hell just hardcarry this

[stone geode]

ive not seen muerta have good games on pos1

CK?

[jolly crane]

in yatoro we trust

the fact he just

mans up against the egg solo

while holding ult until the last second

extreme confidence

[stone geode]

god

[jolly crane]

that was

[stray yew]

this guy on phoenix plays this hero 1st time it hink

[jolly crane]

very scary for spirit there

[stray yew]

[jolly crane]

he was dead a second later

but barely gets ult back

but ye this phoenix is

not getting good eggs off

doesnt even need to egg half the time

just stay in the back and sunray

on your ta/ck

[stray yew]

not a single decent egg ye

[stone geode]

bait eggs

[stray yew]

also this invoker

is fucking trolling

[jolly crane]

the egg would be good

[stone geode]

[jolly crane]

if he uses it reactively when muerta pops ult

[stray yew]

he's like the guy that you get in your bracket in role queue

that is farming roles

but got support

[jolly crane]

so muerta has to waste her ult attacking the egg

but thats not whats happening either

[stray yew]

wtf is his item build

he's legit trolling

in playoffs of ti

[stone geode]

excuse me

its The road to the international

[jolly crane]

the grim muerta interaction is kinda fucked as well tho

if you use deadshot on one

with soulbind

[stray yew]

isnt centaur best counter to muerta

[jolly crane]

you cast a second one that auto-aims at a nearby target

[stray yew]

whoever presses ult 1st loses

isnt it the case?

[jolly crane]

kinda ye

think

oracle is best muerta counter

collapse had such a shit game

early

but still lv 25

minute 38

[stone geode]

good ults throughout

[jolly crane]

centaur is 18

man just kills rosh

in a single pierce the veil

[stray yew]

wtf is larl doing

[jolly crane]

i mean

wouldve been decent play

[stone geode]

cis gaming

[stray yew]

phoenix HAHA

man no shot this invoker wins a game

[jolly crane]

thats a proper

mexican standoff

rip spirit

[stray yew]

lol

i mean maybe not

idk

actually puck dead too

[stone geode]

dawn bb was oof

[stray yew]

he had to

[jolly crane]

yatoro needs a gleipnir or smth

invoker value there

with the tornado

[stray yew]

wtf is this clownfiesta

LMAO

larl choking

so bad xdd

[jolly crane]

tbf

squadix plays really fucking well

multiple times he just blink reacts to the puck blink

i was thinking

dd should stop spawning

after like minute 40 oir smth

tusk is too poor imo

kinda needs

bkb or aeon disk

[stray yew]

i mean cis carries

are cracked or what xd

[jolly crane]

well the cheese

saved him there

if this tusk lives

i dont think spirit can lose

but in the last 3 fights he just dies insta

after the kick

refresher on puck is gonna be a problem

i still think

fng plays phoenix completely wrong

always using the sunray for damage

[stone geode]

insane game to watch

[manic ermine]

Tusk mvp saves

[stray yew]

idk phoenix played bad

and they have troll on invoker

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

that build carry items on pos 4

[jolly crane]

invo i thought was fine

[stray yew]

and inted centaurs game

[jolly crane]

but fng just

never used ray on his cores

to keep them alive

[stray yew]

yatoro played well and ta played well

[jolly crane]

ye

[stone geode]

tusk crucial there

those last 2 fights

[jolly crane]

reso looking fly

[stray yew]

i rly didnt like invoker

he griefed that centaurs game so much

[jolly crane]

was fine imo

sunstrikes were decent

and his job was to just

blow up someone with cataclysm

and deafening/tornado the muerta, which he did

if fng doesnt throw the game

with his eggs

they win the game by minute 40

[wraith scroll]

VP actually playing some DOTA now though. My predictions are nearly in shambles.

[stray yew]

domestic cis matchup

always wild shit

[stone geode]

slacks appears on my screen I press mute

[wraith scroll]

Slacks is the soul of DOTA. Unfortunate.

[jolly crane]

playing with a freind atm who hasnt played dota in like 5+ years

so most games, most players have like 30-50games played total

these games are more toxic than most divine-mmr games

hero gets picked someone disagrees with, or you are slightly slow on using a skill, instant party chat or all chat flames

people with 60 games total, calling others "kys, noob"

not surprised at all that no one wants to play dota

[stone geode]

I was told off in like my 2nd game after a 6 year break

by a jugg that was afk in the first 3 minutes

oof, idk that spirit lineup looks stinky

[jolly crane]

idk if spirit can win this if it goes late

[stone geode]

stormhammer on 5 and cleave with dogs strength

[jolly crane]

larl not having any item progression is gonna be a problem

[stone geode]

I was just thinking that

he died in every fight

gaben VP fan

its all on yatoro pretty much

[worn drift]

Spectre ult so good

[stone geode]

I dont see spirit winning this tbh

[jolly crane]

depends on whether the wraithking

keeps going carry build

or gets aghs at some point

but its gonna be a sad sven

if they dont get a pick on the kotl

[worn drift]

Need nullifiers on dire

Real bad

[jolly crane]

the 3man tornado

won them the fight there

[stone geode]

invoker doing something finally

[worn drift]

Spirit just looks like they have better hands and brains

[stone geode]

radiant good kiting for a while there

getting away with no hp

[worn drift]

Im guessing they banned ench

[jolly crane]

they shouldve won that fight but

[worn drift]

Im telling you if you want a chance to win against them you need ench gone

[jolly crane]

skeletonking stuns himself

with the lotus

even though it was active like 3sec already

[worn drift]

Larl needs to catacylsm faster

Hes always a bit slow and it fucks them

Imagine tormentor triple kill right there

[jolly crane]

well

was a long fight

you cant have the spell invoked that long

when you wanna cast other spells as well

[worn drift]

I mean i feel like you want nado always and then + 1

But he got cataclysm for a reason

Press that shit homie

[stone geode]

zven having trouble connecting

[worn drift]

Invoker back to top 3 nw lol

[worn drift]

Grim ult

Cancer

Plus eblade and shit

[jolly crane]

no bkb on wraithking is

pretty troll imo

[worn drift]

Idk is it

Feels like his entire job is to zone lmao

[jolly crane]

he sucks at it tho

he just gets kited

[humble yew]

was out all evening, missed everything again lmao

replay on

[stone geode]

the way they were hyping up noticed skeleton king

in draft

[worn drift]

How did game 2 go

I missed 1 and 2

[jolly crane]

noticed runs around with

10% hp

in half the fights

unsure when/where to pop ult

cause he knows he dies immediately after

if he has bkb

he can die for the slow and go out with bkb or manup a bit after

[humble yew]

wait I left around 7:30pm and it's game 3 of vp/spirit

and they were drafting for the first game

[worn drift]

Nullifier real good here

[stone geode]

nulli on sven now

[worn drift]

Oh ok good he got it

They’re probably fucked then

[humble yew]

vaporized kotl

[stone geode]

im such a hater of no boots

should be a separate slot like TP

[worn drift]

Ye tbh their best chances of winning was to play off spec step until nullifier

[jolly crane]

carries are already

[worn drift]

Cause until nullfier

[jolly crane]

strong enough

dont need to give them another slot

[worn drift]

Ghost scepter = invince

[wraith scroll]

I wanted to believe.

[stone geode]

good thing spirit acually know how to play

[worn drift]

Ye i mean they are better

Vp was never winning this series

Getting 1 game here should be huge confidence

Yep

Send the gg

[stone geode]

they were good in g1 and g2

[stray yew]

wdym vp couldve easily 2-0'd

[jolly crane]

getting 1 game and making spirit sweat in the other 2

[stray yew]

lol

[worn drift]

Nah

[stray yew]

g3 was stomp

[jolly crane]

this one was kinda onesided but

g2 was

very winnable for VP

[worn drift]

They were never winning this in any timeline

[stray yew]

but g2 was very up in the air

[jolly crane]

there were some very tight fights

for spirit

[stray yew]

g2 even late game

vp was advantegous

100%

[jolly crane]

ye

[stray yew]

g1 spirit got stomped g2 was 50/50 and g3 vp got stomped

[worn drift]

I wouldn’t call g3 a stomp

At least didnt look like it

[jolly crane]

spirit just took their time

[stray yew]

it was they did clown build that couldnt work and got punsihed

double radiance

[worn drift]

It just looked like plain and simple outplay in mid->late

[stray yew]

double urn

[jolly crane]

but they were in control of the game fro mstart to finish

[stray yew]

they did ancient 3 level mistakes

[jolly crane]

double radi is not uncommon nowadays

[stray yew]

happened like once

before

[worn drift]

But nah idk they are just way better team lol spirit navigates game way too well to lose to noobs

[jolly crane]

seen it a few times

[stray yew]

lose to noobs thats why they lost g1

they navigated that loss real well then

[worn drift]

Doesn’t matter when its bo3

[jolly crane]

reso is

[worn drift]

Lose the battle win the war

[jolly crane]

way too well dressed for this

[stray yew]

domestic cis matchups always will be clowny

[jolly crane]

but ye idk

if wraithking gets a bkb here

he doesnt stand in stun and roots and tornados

and icewalls

24/7

[manic ermine]

The viper incident in game 1

[worn drift]

spirit picked viper g1?

[manic ermine]

Ye

[worn drift]

That explains it then

[jolly crane]

wraithkings entire job

in this game

[worn drift]

That hero is fucking dog fuck shit

[jolly crane]

is to bkb and take dwon the willow or invo

[worn drift]

Of course you lose with viper

[stray yew]

spirit drafted garbage in game 1

[manic ermine]

They let bristle and spec through

[worn drift]

Literal trash tier hero

[manic ermine]

Picked viper

[worn drift]

Viper isn’t even a real counter to that shit

Who gives a fuck about your break

When its bound to the ground

I just walk out of it

Like ????

Best counter to bristle is just pa with fan of knives lmao

Jump fan ok youre dead

[manic ermine]

Bristle aghs is just active burst even if you break him

[worn drift]

I could see vp beating tundra thi

Another dog team

[stray yew]

vp will probably just lose 1st game in lb

[manic ermine]

Idk regional matchups can be weird

[worn drift]

Ye maybe tilt factor

Nah nah tundra is shit lmao

2-0’d by nouns

[manic ermine]

Tsm might beat Shopify

[worn drift]

Absolutely slammed by nouns

[manic ermine]

Isn't nouns playing today?

[stray yew]

they are

but mega late for eu

so i wont weatch

they paly in 2 games

[manic ermine]

Who are they facing?

[stray yew]

ar

somnus/fy team

[worn drift]

They played the games of their lives against tundra

[manic ermine]

Winnable

[stray yew]

who knows

maybe nouns are insane lmao

[worn drift]

Game 1 gunnar played the best es mid ive ever seen i swear

[stray yew]

maybe overperformed the shit

hard to say after 1 game ofc

[worn drift]

Like legit every fissure was so insanely high value it was disgusting

But tbh skiter is just a bot

If tundra upgraded their carry they’d be scary

But you’re playing in a carry meta with some nikobaby level player

[manic ermine]

Larl got omega targeted in draft

Almost all vp bans were mid

[stray yew]

larl played rly bad in g2

he almost choked

[worn drift]

I like vp’s draft in g3 tho

Im a big spectre fan rn

[stray yew]

i mean he did choke

[worn drift]

Shadowstep turbo op

[stray yew]

coz spectre is op

but the guy that played it in g1 played like god

and then in g3

he choked

wrong item build

and just bad play

he hadl ike 8k gold at the end

in his eq

?

mega choked this guy

when he died at the bottom he had 6k gold or so not 8k

but ye he couldve had 1 item and buyback but idk

didnt buy anything

[worn drift]

If they dont tilt too hard they could give entity/tundra a run for their money

[stray yew]

choking is fine becuase most of these players probably dont have huge experience with this kidna stuff

from vp at least

but if you're tilting your team (org) is trolling

for not having some sort of coach/psychologist for that

but maybe it both falls under category 'need more lan exposure'

[jolly crane]

think so ye

fng the only experienced played on the team

and he looked uncomfortable on his heroes

[stray yew]

ye if fy on phoenix

they win g2

so easily

or that quest guy

that spams phoenix

even tho quest is out

that guy from quest 'kaori'i tihnk

actually giga phoenix spammer

i think people 1st phase ban it vs him even

[jolly crane]

ye i think so too

if fng played a slightly better phoenix game in g2

they 2-0 spirit

and make it look easy hoenstly

[worn drift]

nah you guys tripping

[jolly crane]

they had multiple fights where they literally kill egg

last second

or where yatoro gets off ult half a second before he dies

[worn drift]

i mean they have 1 guy to hit egg to begin with

[stray yew]

yatoro calculated it yesdterday ofc

he will have ult

[jolly crane]

and his egg placement was dogshit

[stray yew]

at that moment

smh

[worn drift]

wait it went 60 mins and they lost with this draft

haha

[stray yew]

whats weird about that

their cores dont scale

only supports

and pheonix didnt play well

[worn drift]

vp did 1 thing right tho

ban ench

ban ench vs spirit = +10% chance to win

[stray yew]

@jolly crane

[worn drift]

[jolly crane]

ye wasnt there some meme post on reddit

"23Savage Seat setup for Liquid vs Talon today!"

i wanna watch lgd

so please

2 quick wins by liquid

[stray yew]

@jolly crane

[jolly crane]

am i wrong or is this

an insane slark game?

for liquid

[worn drift]

seems good

[stray yew]

ye but idk no teams pick slark

spirit game 1 shouldve slarked too

unless it was banned

[jolly crane]

slark one of the few heroes i think just works against bristle

[stray yew]

if spectre becomes meta

slark shits on spectre so much

you just hit spectre 3 times and run away

and spectre cant hit back

liquid went for spec

[jolly crane]

ye

dunno if theyll go

vessel spec build

team water

for talon

feel like talon has the better draft

except for ench

ench is just broken

[stray yew]

darkseer is rly good into morph

one of better counters id say

[jolly crane]

but its zai

i dont have trust in zai

on initiation heroes

[stray yew]

i mean 23 is nerd tryhard on morph

[jolly crane]

tbf he can just wait

[stray yew]

but i dont think its morph patch

[jolly crane]

until enemy team collapses on his spec

finally good casters

[stray yew]

im watching nomail/jorgec

[stone geode]

thank god they didnt put svg on the nouns game

that man is insufferable

[jolly crane]

cap/svg

best dota2 casting duo

[stone geode]

svg in na games is so obnoxious

[stray yew]

sunsfan/synd are good too

are they even there?

[jolly crane]

ye

all the big caster duos

didnt cast grpstage

odpixel/fogged didnt cast, neither did cap/svg, synd/sunsfan

idk if lyrical was casting groups

nisha is getting absolutely rolled

[worn drift]

ye nisha getting dumped on

[stray yew]

this mid meta loks like some most vile shit ive ever seen

pick tank build blademail heart

🐸

[jolly crane]

ye

think the one upside is

kunkka having an insane game isnt really

giving talon a lot of earlygame tempo

unless he goes like radiance or smth

but unlikelöy

shadowstep

[stone geode]

23ravage

[jolly crane]

its literalklky just

primal+shadowstep

stupid skill

[stone geode]

primal really reminds me of a zerg

[jolly crane]

ngl this blademail meta is

really disgusting

[stray yew]

ye

[worn drift]

23 🦀

[stray yew]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fthe-key-to-playing-midlane-this-patch-is-to-not-actually-v0-8bm415kqf7vb1.png%3Fs%3D4d7f75ef3b0ac45b8b157f3d469487a5272b7b5e

[stone geode]

morph deadge

nisha is online now

[jolly crane]

nisha was online when they picked that hero

cuz primal doesnt need items

hero has 1.5k hp with no items

at level 10

[stone geode]

can he not just grab him through bkb

[worn drift]

i like spectre build

[jolly crane]

talon just has no dmg

[stray yew]

ye morph build 4 defensive items

[stone geode]

morph aghs doesnt look very useful

[stray yew]

i think its on tide

he didnt win lane he was meant to win i think

[jolly crane]

micke?????????

[stray yew]

its w/e

they can 4v5

lmao bristle is so stupid

thank fuck im not playing this garbage game

that was stomp

[jolly crane]

ye

bristle was just food

and without a strong bristle, talon had no frontline

so luna just ran in

23 also used some very questionable metas tho

top he uses it when ranged rax is already at 20% hp

then he uses it in radiant jungle when they kill zai, but zai was already dead

so they cant get rosh after

http://puu.sh/JSGr9/2a69be754a.jpg

[ancient harbor]

i had a giggle when i saw that

[jolly crane]

kinda crazy that nts is only 23. feels like the man has been around forever

but its only been 3years

[ancient harbor]

wait what

no way

shit he really has only been around since 2020

[jolly crane]

magnus firstphase

[ancient harbor]

what the fuck is this

[worn drift]

yep

carry willow finally coming thru

[jolly crane]

what a weird draft

if this works

and LGD stomp this game

[worn drift]

called it 4 days ago

just different player

[jolly crane]

then i think theyre the new favorite for the tourney

picking the mag first phase

then not picking a carry to go with it

[worn drift]

willow is kind of potent in terms of carry capability lol

all she needs is aghs, levels, and attack speed

your bkb runs out and you die

+shadow realm means you cant fight her

[worn drift]

looking like an lgd win

[jolly crane]

ye