its still one of the biggest prize pools in entire esports calendar
#DotA
stone geode
🛢️
manic ermine
The game became better to play due to constant updates
manic ermine
And 10% of the playerbase interacted with the battlepass
jolly crane
(mid razor)
manic ermine
While simultaneously every year bp consumed more content
stray yew
ok wtf is on
jolly crane
fun times
manic ermine
There's a couple arcanas coming after TI for skin enjoyers
stray yew
im watching jorgec
manic ermine
Rumors say it's venge and skywrath arcanas
stray yew
he is watching bb/shopify
jolly crane
wish my carries
played like that
luna just goes through gateway at min8 to get 3 kills
with eclipse
my carries afk farm for 20minutes
worn drift
Ok i was wrong spirit not clowning against eg even after making it thru already
They smashing them
stray yew
eg play is way too predictable
they play same entire season
they just 4+1 
mega oldschool
worn drift
I didnt even realize they did a patch b4 ti
Actual skiter patch
Bastard paid someone off
stray yew
wdym?
they buffed wraith king or sth?
coz that would be hella skiter patch
i feel like wk is his most iconic hero
worn drift
Ck
jolly crane
dazzle casually soloing tormentor
with 4 couriers
iu didnt know
this was possible
lol
stray yew
hmm thinking about it and maybe ye big shock that ti is so little
even tho not for me
but im rather minority
big shock for majority i mean
worn drift
Like its not even a little smaller is the issue
stray yew
but my biggest issue in this regard is that people complain its small prize pool and no compendium
but there is still compendium
worn drift
I looked at ti11 which was baby and even that was 18 mil
This one isn’t even breaking 3 mil rn
stray yew
people just dont care about it coz its not skins compendium
worn drift
Like if the goal was to actually make majors and shit way more profitable (i know that wont actually be the result) sure
jolly crane
his fucking team wants to push and finish the game
nts just afking
on the tomrentor
cuz he mistimed it or smth
worn drift
Nothingtosay about this move
stray yew
nah im pretty sure they wont be giving more money for majors
they just wanna tone down the prize pool of ti nothing else
and i guess as they said focus more on actual gameplay updates
which for actual players is a lot better i think
your everyday non pro scene players i mean
jolly crane
its better for pros as well
stray yew
i assume they will get better contracts
jolly crane
the super high prizepool tourneys arent good for pros
stray yew
coz iirc their contracts are smaller than avg cs pros for example
worn drift
Good incentive to try your best to be the best
worn drift
Dunno
All the groups are kinda shit
1 good or decent team
Then everyone else is awful
Only group that isnt like that is like
Liquid group
Cuz they have bb as well
But like spirit has no competition in their group
Like fucking smg bro
jolly crane
ye spirit has easy grp
worn drift
Midone is a bot why he even here
jolly crane
but lgd/GG/beastcoast is kinda solid grp
technically VP as well but its TI. VP doesnt dowell at TI
worn drift
SA dota is too inconsistent for me to recognize SA teams as competitors
worn drift
They show up and either knock out some insane teams or show up and shit their pants
Idk how gg is doing but they’ve definitely got fucked by the meta
So theyre substantially weakened
Lgd has one of the goat coaches so adjusting is easier
worn drift
Idek what position he plays 
jolly crane
but hes actually a worthy replacement for faithbian
pos3
and like
replacing faithbian is like... big shoes to fill
worn drift
Ye
Id def put money on spirit being in the finals but even thats like idk
They could randomly run into BB and lose then tilt lose in lower bracket
Ti playoffs always different world
worn drift
Ame not replaceable
Generational pos 1
GOAT status type shit
I hope he doesn’t come back though and just suck and tarnish the legend
manic ermine
Tundra also seems like a possible final contender
worn drift
Ppl like miracle and sumail coming back and playing with some random ass team is always just sad to me
manic ermine
Funny how tundra suddenly gained a lot of fans after topson joined
Idk sumail still plays very well
manic ermine
Real contender teams also have a set mid
worn drift
He can still lane and even own ppl
But idk
Game just isnt like it was
Where the mid laner solos games for you
manic ermine
Ye miracle cannot 1v5 anymore because supports are no longer helpless
worn drift
Real contender teams also have a set mid
When larl was getting cooked earlier in the year they coulda easily bailed on him and got some sumail type
manic ermine
Larl getting cooked was a team structure issue
Because larl back in betboom ti 11 days destroyed somnus puck (arguably best mid along nisha at the time) in mid
I watched pretty much every spirit game in majors and collapse was their worst performing player until aura offlaner meta was nerfed hard
jolly crane
muerta kinda insane winrate atm
worn drift
Thats a classic
jolly crane
lgd and betboom gonna win2 games in the time it takes tundra to win one
worn drift
Name a better duo
jolly crane
farmed/high level spiritbreaker
is just
so stupid
casual 74k networth advantage
worn drift
Bro rework ench
Plz
This hero is so broken
Pure dmg orbs are so broken its not even funny
Jfc
Double rapier pa
jolly crane
i kinda like that some of the pos4 or 5 supports can be really solid lategame now
worn drift
Just 1 hits bristle
worn drift
i kinda like that some of the pos4 or 5 supports can be really solid lategame n...
Ench has no weakness
That is the problem
Remove her creeps or some shit
manic ermine
Remove the enchanting aspect from enchantress
jolly crane
think the most broken thing about her
worn drift
Shes a ranged lane bully with a pure dmg orb and a really annoying defensive passive
jolly crane
is that enchant dispels
worn drift
Her weakness should be
jolly crane
she has dogshit hp tho
worn drift
Her lack of wave clearing and hard cc
jolly crane
she dies real easy
worn drift
But she just gets creeps kekw
worn drift
she dies real easy
Dunno her ult is cancer vs any auto attackers
jolly crane
ye but ench has like 1.5k hp with pike
thats nothing
but its a carry meta atm so obviously not ideal
worn drift
Yea but shes only vulnerable to being either broken or magic dmg
worn drift
Naaah theres a reason this hero does absurd dmg every game that goes long
worn drift
If she was close range she’d be frail but that isnt the case
jolly crane
ye but many pos4/5 heroes atm have insane impact
worn drift
Not the same as ench really
worn drift
Her late game impact is doing as much if not more dmg than your pos 1
Its not balanced at all
jolly crane
ye
worn drift
Shes literally just becomes a drow ranger late game
jolly crane
but a sky or willow can do the same if they have just 1 or 2 items
worn drift
Sky and willow lose to bkbs tho
Ench does not care
About your armor
Or bkb
Or anything
worn drift
She just auto casts q right clicks your hero and walks away
Yes and that = not balanced dmg
jolly crane
cuz the rest of her kit becomes useless in lategame
worn drift
This hero has legit been like top 5 most broken heroes every patch for so many patches in a row its so annoying lmao
jolly crane
dmg wise, ye
worn drift
Hmm what do we pick 5 here guys idek, oh ench is available lock it in
worn drift
My issue is just she does everything
worn drift
Shes a creep hero so its hard but she just does it all
jolly crane
she just looks busted lategame cuz she does a lot of damage, which is definitely true. but thats all she does. you look at a hero like venge which gives the team damage, you have swap, 2 stuns. warlock bonds/rock/upheaval, etc.
lgd gonna have played 2 games before the other teams in grp b even play their first
Ar vs SR now
worn drift
Ench really only broken cause i just watch team spirit and miposhka the goat and they just win 
stone geode
didnt know support invoker was a thing
stone geode
since the universal change?
jolly crane
ye
jolly crane
its just one of those heroes that basically sits on lane
harrasses with EMP
until they get urn from passive gold, you rotate
and then coldsnap+urn is easy kill setup
cant really trade as a support against invo
cuz he just turns with coldsnap on lane
jolly crane
lou playing like a bot this game
his invo just got ganked by 3 people bot, he goes there to farm
manic ermine
Azure draft is pretty bad
jolly crane
think its fine but lou just played 3 fights back to back really bad
his positioning just isnt good
that fight where sr tried to do rosh top
and back out
hes just way too far on the right and dies instantly w ith his team unable to help him
kinda the same every fight
that bristle lastpick for SR was just
way too good
manic ermine
Bristle strong this tournament
jolly crane
still think that AR just kinda lost 2 teamfights they shouldnt have lost
and then they were too far behind
and those were lost cuz lou has bad positioning
crit/abed running around as 2 all game and killing people as well
basically played a 40min game
and didnt have a single 5v5 fight
manic ermine
Muerta having so much impact as supp
jolly crane
AR just never did anything all game, so es/muerta could just roam and grab kills 24/7
lgd losing to VP
already losing to CIS
molten gorge
did anyone catch the tundra quest games?
holy fuck bangers
over 3 hours of gaming
worn drift
Troll warlord 
I hope this doesnt end in disaster
I never believe in troll
Hero is so piss
Wait what are they doing
What is this 322
Go 8-0 just to go lb and lose first round mayhaps?
Its 3mil prize pool effect
manic ermine
Higher placements get to play with lower placements(supposedly easier opponents)
worn drift
Who cares about groups just beat the shit teams and then do some testing vs real opponents so you get 3/4 slot then play for real
Is what this format encourages
agile onyx
mobas and shit formats at international events
a classic combination
tbh im happy about this
its day 3 and i love upsets
worn drift
Id still put money on spirit here tho
Shopify is a dog shit team
Saberlight is terribad
agile onyx
they've been sandbagging all year for this
manic ermine
This seems over unless troll randomly throws
stone geode
sproink
agile onyx
huh
jolly crane
Go 8-0 just to go lb and lose first round mayhaps?
i still dont understand
why no tournament is using swiss
well, cs is
and they have great competitions 😄
agile onyx
cause esports has an obsession with groups cause thats how SC1 did it
it took like 30 years, but we're finally breaking out of it
stray yew
and they have great competitions 😄
look at how scuffed majors are because of swiss systems
they do poor job seeding/reseeding teams
in cs
thats their flaw
jolly crane
look at how scuffed majors are because of swiss systems
thats because they dont pre-seed for swiss
which is... stupid
jolly crane
so you do the first round and then they match the #1 and #2 team which makes no sense
stray yew
but when its TI or majors uhm
idk
do other tournaments as testing grounds for that
and not the biggest ones
stone geode
yes, spirit won
worn drift
Lmfao
Ok ye i was right then
Putting money on spirit was safe there
Even with 10-0 score
stone geode
SR is just dogshit at translating lead into pressure and objectives
worn drift
Shopify is terrible and need to all leave pro scene
Meanwhile spirit are on the chase for goat status
jolly crane
Even with 10-0 score
was 16-0 at some point
agile onyx
i dont think anyone who gets to TI is terrible and needs to leave the pro scene, but yeah, they looked really bad there somehow
jolly crane
SR is just dogshit at translating lead into pressure and objectives
kill leads just dont matter if the enemy team is just farming 3 different spots. 16-0 kill lead, nw difference was never more than 4k
agile onyx
second rosh fight was one of the most schitzo things i had ever seen
stone geode
spirit just always knows what to do
stone geode
BB has been similar but more inconsistent
winning games they had no business of winning
agile onyx
blind blink in from tusk, rtz force in to hit no one when they havent used any CC besides sigil, egg on low ground under gate (where spirit have control) with no cross cc, it was the most int i have seen in a long time
worn drift
Spirit were doing some weird shit early game too
Just run past t1 dying offlaner
It actuallyl ooked like some 322 shit
But you cant lose when carry matchup is yatoro vs rtz
Its too hard
agile onyx
i cant believe they let ench through again, considering how ench was a better carry than tb that last game
worn drift
stray yew
why do they let them
worn drift
You have to ban miposhka ench ill be real here
stray yew
take spirit breaker and puck
its already over
even if they're 70k gold ahead
they will never go highground against this
agile onyx
i hope they just 7th the void here
stray yew
miposhka didnt even do anything last game but shopify didnt do anything even more
agile onyx
cause i think thats the only hero rtz can play vs yatoro
miposhka did the thing where nothing happened for 30 minutes and she got to shoot imps out
stray yew
i mean that hero is always broken yea
been broken for 6 straight years i tihnk
its almost like tiny at this point
always broken
the only reason tiny wasnt broken recently
is because universal heroes
were like tiny
except you can scale all stats
agile onyx
broken hero against the team that builds midas and refuses to push tier 2s
agile onyx
tiny is cool, but like, pango and tusk and beast exist
and they all sort of do the thing of be big CC and damage and tank
so now tiny needs to be giga broken
to be more broken than the 202X heroes
stray yew
my opinion on pango is as follow
if he was 2008 released hero all his spells have +20 mana cost/-20 damage and idk
something on top of that
maybe interaction with diffu less stupid
anyone remembers when his passive was silencing too
on release
@jolly crane
unleash the rage on pango
doit
manic ermine
Think spirit draft is better
jolly crane
maybe interaction with diffu less stupid
i still think having orb effects apply to spells like swashbuckle is a big big problem in game design
i never was a fan of it
orb effects on illusions or spells is dumb, unless its a talent or aghanims upgrade
shouldnt be a default thing
its 2-0 anyway
miposhka ench
agile onyx
i guess its yatoro's turn to build a midas and do nothing
worn drift
they just fight so much better lol
stray yew
aaand its over
stone geode
shitify rebellion
agile onyx
.-.
stone geode
pure damage goes brrrr
worn drift
ye ench needs impetus reworked or something
no cd pure dmg orb
like good joke
who gives a fuck about anything late game when you have drow ranger 5
agile onyx
yeah that feels like bs
worn drift
i swear you have to ban ench 1st round every game vs spirit
seems like
insanely stupid not doing that
they always take the game late enough that ench becomes another carry
agile onyx
i think letting it through is cool if you can actually push an advantage
but SR cannot do that to save their lives
worn drift
spirit navigates mid game better than any team rn
you cant really push an advantage
they just nonstop shove lanes
dont give a fuck abut dying as long as its not yatoro
collapse is literally almost 10 deaths this game but i guarantee he gives 0 fucks
agile onyx
can someone explain
worn drift
bcuz he just shoves lane
agile onyx
why they were even bot there
theres a free wave + 20 skellies pushing mid
and theyre by their dead tier 2 killing super creeps with no vision in their jungle
jolly crane
rtz trolling
worn drift
aaaaand doesnt matter anyway
agile onyx
no way
worn drift
1st good play of saberlights life and they still manage to fuck it up
stray yew
i guess shouldve avoided BASH from cow
jolly crane
aegis to the ench
agile onyx
they know their wincon
yatoro is just 2 health bars and a stun
and larl is never dying
worn drift
WHAT IS THIS GAME MAN
CAN WE STOP TROLLING
ENCH IS NOT BAALNCED
BAN THIS HERO EVERY GAME
ITS LITERAL DROW RANGER
agile onyx
hold up
miposhka dead for 2 min no bb
no megas yet
nvm SR allergic to pushing lanes
worn drift
SR is shit at game if they were in any other region they wouldn't be at tourny's
make even div 2
yatoro should get aghs
wk aghs is giga good
agile onyx
is that the one that gives allies old yorick ult?
worn drift
ye but more importantly shortens his ult cd
but ye it gives allies like 7 seconds of actions when they die
so no matter what they get their spells out
ench gets 7 seconds of throwing imps
grim gets spells out
collapse charges someone or bashes someone
puck gets another silence out
its just really good
agile onyx
puck has mjolnir queued
worn drift
just the way he used it
agile onyx
that was a free lane of racks
worn drift
was cool
stray yew
stray yew
yatoro plays like clown this game
stray yew
he is supposed to tank tbh
worn drift
midas radiance bkb
worn drift
same im watching nix
but he went
midas radiance bkb cuirass
he got blink between bkb cuirass i think
aa is having a lot of impact this game
the fights ball up really hard and get bogged down
and ice blast hits like 3 heroes
agile onyx
AA is doing his best ench impression
worn drift
issue is the lanes will never get pushed out ever again
its at stage where you wont have multiple heroes pushing multiple lanes on SR side
but spirit can do that
cause of their heroes
agile onyx
what grim aghs do again?
worn drift
creates copy of a hero
agile onyx
2 ench o.o
stray yew
jolly crane
larl 
worn drift
its just a strong illu
agile onyx
o
stray yew
i mean it is pretty much ck illu
worn drift
so its really good against shit like morph
manic ermine
Spirit throwing a little
stray yew
that grimstroke aghs
worn drift
spirit playing messy but they wont lose this
jolly crane
grim aghs is huge
agile onyx
does CK aghs reduce ult CD?
worn drift
if i was miposhka id get a butterfly 
worn drift
ck breaks you and just miss miss miss miss
agile onyx
and it misses
worn drift
then break ends and you attack at snail speed
and it also gives you more dmg
insane item for late game ench tbh as long as they dont already have mkb
agile onyx
is ench universal?
worn drift
gg
ench just nonstop ass fucking ck while he tries to kill wk
lesgo
rampage for larl
worn drift
even when they are clearly trying to 322 they cant lose
5/9/26 sb btw
guy was 2/8 at like 15 mins
agile onyx
creep killing menance
worn drift
shopify actual terrible team god they are so lucky they are NA
LMAO
"do you know how tormentors work?"
agile onyx
i dont know how tormentors work
jolly crane
with miposhka just standing there lol
worn drift
that was big brain from fly
jolly crane
to get hit some more
worn drift
they got stunlocked like wtf
jolly crane
dunno ifh e knew he was dead or smth
worn drift
jolly crane
@stray yew tbf the system is kinda okay because its essentially just the first round of playoffs, except teams couldnt choose their opponent this time
stray yew
i think its just super risky to change the format for most important tournament of the year
right before it starts
but ye my biggest concern was
there would be some absolute memery grps
and some absolute death grps
which it didnt rly hgappen i wanna say
jolly crane
ye
its baiscally just
a 16team upper bracket stage now
with the 8 teams that lose going LB
which is better still than the old system of like
elimination bo1s after groups
for half the teams
stone geode
I appreciate not having to watch 4 games at the same time for a week
worn drift
i actually think you have to ban ench+sb every game vs spirit
i just watched game 1 from point i stopped at
sb is so busted
stone geode
teams like spirit look so much better than teams in this game for example
stray yew
worn drift
lmao
in team spirits vlog
collapse - "you can't play american pubs all day, if you do youre going to go insane. The best example of this is the player Quinn who before he moved to Europe, was an insane human, like he was smart, but just deranged"
stone geode
isnt tsm kinda crap
jolly crane
they went 3-5 in a group with nouns and beastcoast so
VP definitely not the best, yeah
oh didnt realize, itll be betboom vs 9pandas tomorrow
thats kind of gnarly
stone geode
nouns in my head has always been the 2nd best NA team
jolly crane
well they are
stone geode
also known as world 20th team
jolly crane
complete meme of a region honestly
worn drift
quest fucked that group up
quest was supposed to be 1st/2nd there
but they got knocked out
stone geode
quest looked good in around riyadh
and the previous major
but that was with ammar mostly
jolly crane
spec is
pretty high winrate atm
78% winrate atm
7-2
8-2 with this game
think people are sleeping on the hero a lot
worn drift
ye agreed
jolly crane
has garbage laning but shadowstep is too strong an ability in the current state of the game with high xp/gold bounties
worn drift
her new ult is insane
but i think most people are just really scared to play her cause playing her is like just idk
you forfeit lane
jolly crane
you just shadowstep onto free kills that someone else sets up, and you get to snag the assist gold/xp and potentially even the kill bounty
and then go back to farming
stone geode
I just remember spec feeling so doo doo to play
when the build used to be boots radiance
and you just have nothing, dogshit damage, no spells no regen
jolly crane
its just kinda failsafe to play atm
worn drift
idk i still think the hero is really cringe to lane on
stone geode
theres no way tsm win this
worn drift
i kinda like the urn build people do on her
stone geode
think he went urn blade
jolly crane
just need to get tanky on spec
dont need damaging items early on
but ye idk
tsm draft is like
"win all 3 lanes"
and they didnt
worn drift
vp can beat teams like this but they dont win against stuff like GG or talon even probably
i mean its just a cis team vs an NA team
na is terrible
worn drift
all NA teams are fucking terrible
stone geode
like bro they are garbanzo, shut the fuck up
jolly crane
ye
the SR fandom is just
really cringe at this point
they did well like 2 tourneys
and beyond that
are a consistent 13-16th place team
worn drift
SR doesnt win people just lose to them
worn drift
bulba also absolutely terrible coach
worn drift
i mean just imagine being up 15-0 in a game and you still lose
that has to say something about your team
you just fundamentally dont understand how to play
play/draft/etc
jolly crane
notail was shitting on rtz a lot when they were watching
his team basically wins 4v5
sets him up for a 15-0 lead
and he just
cant carry
might as well have joined the fights earlier to push some objectives
but instead they have a 15-0 lead and only pushed 2 t1s
stone geode
ive been watching the official streams
worn drift
i like nix stream
he tends to look at things objectively
and isn't afraid to say people are doing stupid shit even if he likes them
stone geode
thought he was russian
worn drift
he is
stone geode
never watched his stream
worn drift
but i understand so perfect for me lol
stone geode
I understand a tiny bit of russian but not enough
jolly crane
i honestly wonder how some teams would play if they had coaches likes ceb or xiao8 instead of whoever they currently have
worn drift
replacing bulba with no one would be a net gain
jolly crane
rtz would just draft and pick the same heroes as bulba anyway
stone geode
bulba is like triple washed up at this point
worn drift
not banning sb and ench against spirit is like beyond monkey behavior
jolly crane
sb i think you can deal with to some extent
but like
giving miposhka ench twice is just
worn drift
idk i think sb has way too much bkb piercing cc lmao
his charge late game with octarine is a 6 sec cd
like hello
jolly crane
what i find funny is
stone geode
collapse is OP as well
jolly crane
how teams are still prioritizing shadowdemon in the draft atm
jolly crane
when the hero has 25% winrate
worn drift
ye i mean collapse's thing is that hes well rounded, many pos 3's just piss at micro gameplay
stray yew
that 2nd game they lost purely off of map
worn drift
how teams are still prioritizing shadowdemon in the draft atm
sd is quite potent vs sb
jolly crane
meh
you kinda dont wanna
use ult just on sb to purge
its just not working out
to have him be this high pick prio
worn drift
idk i feel like the longer sb just gets to chill in a teamfight the worse it gets for you
he locks down your carry too hard
makes it aids to do dmg
jolly crane
oh absolutely
jolly crane
you just dont want long drawn out teamfights against SB
so you gotta draft against it a bit
but its manageable imo
still, hero is busted
worn drift
i feel like if drow was in the meta sb wouldn't be picked nearly as much
jolly crane
that 2nd game they lost purely off of map
SR is just awful at taking objectives, ive complained about it before
worn drift
altho idk
stray yew
ye they lane well
worn drift
shadow blade you cant gust kekw
jolly crane
they still play the
"have rtz be on other side of map while we 4man"
but then they lack tower pressure
jolly crane
ye
stray yew
and pakazs is better
jolly crane
if you check spirit or lgd or liquid
their carries join the tower poush
sometimes as early as 6minutes in
stray yew
idk it works for spirit tho
jolly crane
use twingate, push enemy safelane t1
worn drift
they also have a person on pos 3
that can carry the game
and they just play the map
better than any other team rn
they're real good at just making the game go as long as they need to fuck you at some moment
get some pivotal item
jolly crane
think people still hate on saberlight way too much
worn drift
or get a good moment
jolly crane
hes playing really well in most games
high impact pos3
he just doesnt have a carry
he misplays from time to time, sure
but he typically does well in lane and the first ~20min of the game, and then the SR game falls apart because he dies too much, becuase he doesnt have a carry
worn drift
naaaaah he is just many levels below players like collapse, pure, ace
jolly crane
collapse, niu, pure, ace, ammar, 33
stray yew
i mean 33
finsihed the game
unironically
if dota was a ssingle player game
you could finish
he did
jolly crane
theyre just all insanely skilled
still not as goated as universe back in the day but like
a few of them come damn close
worn drift
they're all super skilled, have heroes they're super skilled on that people fear
like idk
what signature does saberlight even have lmao
does anyone even target ban him
ever
stray yew
tundra has 2 people that actually have their own ideas about the game which is rare
stone geode
idk universe never stood out to me, just a rock solid player that always performed
stray yew
coz 33 and aui are thinking about the game non stop and they have non dogshit takes
to be creative about stuff
(rare in gaming)
most people just copy
worn drift
ye aui is like if bulba had a brain
stray yew
i mean aui finished pro dota 2
jolly crane
he plays good dawn/beastmaster/doom/pango/ds
stray yew
won ti as coach and player
worn drift
I don't think anyones afraid of saberlight dawn or doom tho
jolly crane
problem with saberlight is that he doesnt do well with the old aura carry heroes like tide/pitlord/brood/enigma
jolly crane
coz 33 and aui are thinking about the game non stop and they have non dogshit ta...
theres a few people like that that just have dota figured out
worn drift
coz 33 and aui are thinking about the game non stop and they have non dogshit ta...
topson is kinda like this too
where he does his own thing
worn drift
sometimes it works, sometimes its shit
worn drift
but he raerely follows
jolly crane
the og dota players that even way past their prime continued being high value just cuz of their understanding of the game
stray yew
is least invasive change they couldve done
worn drift
ye
stray yew
topson and nine are so similar
jolly crane
and then people like topson or 33 just reinvented part of the game
stray yew
they hbave very quirky heropools
and playstyles
innovate some stuff
and play kinda sacrificial
worn drift
ye unpredictable
worn drift
nine can just randomly pull up in mid on rubick and do like 100k hero dmg in the game
jolly crane
but ye if oyu look at people like xiao8/puppey/aui/ceb
all of them og dota1 players too
they just understand the game on a different level imo
worn drift
think sneyking and skiter are kinda the weakpoints of tundra
the other 3 are quite potent
stray yew
maybe
jolly crane
EG stealing the lgd strat
worn drift
i remember watching sneyking on bat in some tourny
stray yew
but skiter did play rly weell during last ti
worn drift
just too funny
jolly crane
with the twingate smoke
worn drift
well last ti was also literal skiter carry meta
wasnt it literally just some shit like
stray yew
naa he wasnt rly naga player
worn drift
PL naga
jolly crane
sneyking is one of those people who was always considered super dogshit when he was on any NA team
stray yew
he is more of ck/wk guy
worn drift
idk didnt he literally invent the naga orchid build
worn drift
p sure thats from him
jolly crane
ye the orchid on carry kinda fell off for a while in dota2 but its always been a thing
just like hex on carries like clinkz/ta etc.
stray yew
coz its from that +attack speed item
worn drift
ye bloodthorn is good
jolly crane
ye i mean
stray yew
its a tempo item kinda thing
jolly crane
old orchid was 3 quarterstaff
worn drift
yea when void spirit came out
i played him thru orchid
i didnt really like the euls build
so i just went orchid deso
jolly crane
i can see liquid losing this
worn drift
maybe
i mean if goes long enoguh they lose
micke sucks
and its PA
even while nerfed
still decent
jolly crane
idk maybe its just my zai dislike
but i fully expect him to be a bot again this game
stone geode
idk, primal has looked kinda shit to me in the games ive seen
worn drift
i think playing axe this game might be rough
jolly crane
csmile misplayign mid
he had treant come mid to control 4min rune but somehow
he didnt go for the top rune
and gave it to nisha for free
jolly crane
idk, primal has looked kinda shit to me in the games ive seen
it 13-5 so far this tourney
worn drift
axe is going to jump, catch a ice blast, probably get dw feared, and just die
es + aa actually such a strong combo tbh
aa amping spell dmg
jolly crane
bouldersmash slow very nice for hitting spells as AA
but this axe has too good a game
worn drift
wait what was boxi doing
why did he just shadow realm into 4 heroes
is this guy drunk
jolly crane
think he was hoping
nisha would go in
get 4 heroes stacked
for magnetize
but nisha didnt want to
worn drift
lmao
jolly crane
but ye this is one of those plays
youd never see rtz make
hed be hitting neutrals close to his bot t2
worn drift
lmao
man pa should not have this nw at this time in the game
but he participated in several kils
wp
stone geode
but i fully expect him to be a bot again this game
worn drift
i want to see big game from anton dyrachyo here
worn drift
my god 23savage played awful the 2nd game
trash player
quinn and dyrachyo also buying satanic into apparition
dude bought more right click dmg than their bloodseeker
LIKE WHAT IS THIS
half your fucking ruptures aren't even connecting cause linkens
worn drift
okay now gg is just being stupid
all these teams just look so fucking bad man
even GG just looks significantly worse than 6 months ago
all these teams deserve lower bracket
even liquid is questionable
worn drift
bro ck is kinda busted, just played a game 
manic ermine
Entity looked pretty good vs spirit
molten gorge
bro ck is kinda busted, just played a game <:MONKAS:984237220422615090>
hes been strong for a while
then he got buffed lmao
worn drift
Idk why his crits heal so much its kind of ridiculous
humble yew
at my parents until tomorrow so didnt watch any of the group stage shit except 1st day
any tl dr in the chat
manic ermine
Spirit, Liquid won their series as expected
Vp beat nouns
Talon did some epic comeback gaming vs gg
jolly crane
That talon vs GG game2 ending was pretty hype
jolly crane
Ace trolled that game 3
Insane farm on bara and then he plays heart into linkens after octarine... Only to get slowed and stunned all fight
0 Impact as a spiritbreaker when he has most farm in the game
jolly crane
overall just kinda weak play
but ace just completely trolled game3 imo with his item choices
when you have such a strong start and play into tiny/shaker, i dont get why you dont get aghs immediately
most of the teamfights his charges were just cancelled by the stuns
worn drift
Gg vs talon games were just cringe
jolly crane
what a stomp
molten gorge
kinda just rolled over lmao
