maybe he just cant play heroes that have "earth" in it
#DotA
manic ermine
Miposhka ench too strong
jolly crane
dunno what they were talking about as well with like forcestaffs on supports
when both the warlock and hood wanna stay far away
theyre not gonna be in range for a force anyway, and if they od, they die and wont get spells in
warlock stopped like 3 ganks with upheaval in the early game
but if your cores are useless, cant push lanes and get picked off 24/7 then wcyd
jolly crane
ye yatoro said he thinks the hero is trash
they just choke the map too fast
they just left collapse bottom, gyro pushes lane everytime with flak and then you outlevel the gyro and he cant pressure you anymore
he goes meteor hammer and runs down the tower really fast
but i still think shopify just misplayed their early game a lot
prioritizing farming instead of pushing
even though they couldve taken towers everytime
with each warlock ult
centaur farmed his ass off but didnt contribute either, so it was warlock/shaker/hood just getting perma ganked
hybrid gate
sr is the biggest jobber
worn drift
Ill fix it for you
Yataro
It’s over
never thought i'd see saberlight, one of the worst players in pro dota bm yatoro, one of the best players in pro dota
stray yew
ceb and notail arent good at the game and bmed shit out of everonye 
even before they won 2 tis
stray yew
spirit too good
coz too good patch for them
patch where carry matchup is most important and yatoro best carry
worn drift
they might have assembled exodia finally, larl learned how to play before/during riyadh
he was their weak link before
stray yew
he still looks bad sometimes in comparison
but they always last pick for yatoro good carry matchup
and he wins every time
worn drift
ye
worn drift
this teams jsut good at every stage of the game and if you manage to beat them in lanes they'll just take the game to 60 mins and beat you
worn drift
ye
stray yew
and he can always win
worn drift
ye hes in a different hemisphere in terms of carries
russian casters "is this grand final really going to end in a 3-0 i dont believe it"
bro its SR vs Spirit 
this is what is expected
SR even being here is a miracle
stone geode
BB lost to this 
stray yew
bb would lose to spirit aswell
stray yew
coz nightfall is trash lan player
when its pressure game
always been the case
and still is
he farmed like 20 deaths in their elimination game as most op meta carry
and did 0 dmg
stray yew
its over anyway
worn drift
okay but like thats not even a good meme move
yatoro out net worthing alch
ok just go gg
you catch void and cant even kill him
worn drift
ill def disagree
stray yew
but he's also captain and they need someone like that
worn drift
you cant win tourny's with saberlight on your team
he isn't a real player
he is just a pub streamer guy
low tier
jolly crane
Dunno
I've seen plenty of games where he did well
And even carried
I haven't seen rtz ever carry a game by himself
stray yew
this again
worn drift
i mean everyone on their team besides abed is washed and should prob retire
stray yew
leave them alone for once
they're in the GRAND FINALS
they only lost to spirit
0 shame in that
worn drift
okay but im almost certain BB just threw the series
stray yew
coz as i said
jolly crane
Abed is struggling a lot with the new mid hero meta
stray yew
nightfall is trash player when its pressure game
he always was
and showcased it today aswell
worn drift
I was gonna say, even abed is questionable these days
jolly crane
they're in the GRAND FINALS
wow, after 15 tournaments of being garbage 
worn drift
idk no one on their team impresses these days
jolly crane
i dont really care about the results, i care about the overall performance i watch
stray yew
iirc
jolly crane
and rtz just gets caught over and over again
in shitty spots
fly makes bad calls
saberlight is hit or miss, same as abed atm
but maybe i just caught their awful games
manic ermine
They went beast mode vs betboom tho
jolly crane
ye i woke up after that series, so i didnt see their BB series
i only saw the one that got them into LB
and the finals now where they got stomped
jolly crane
but ye idk
think the dominance of teams like GG is kinda over
and maybe this is a better meta for shopify, hard to say atm
stray yew
it is
jolly crane
this is just a very differnet meta, espceially mid
worn drift
well yeah when they get dumped in 2 series
stray yew
spirit has won last 2 tournaments
worn drift
stray yew
and in decently convincing fashion
jolly crane
and i feel like some mid players struggle to adjust
after playing the same heroes mid for the last 3 years
stray yew
ti is ti
stray yew
tundra kinda fell off too a bit
jolly crane
shaker, earthspirit, dazzle mid stuff
stray yew
but mostly coz of player swap i guess
worn drift
tundra cant play in regular metas they need some disgusting rat shit
worn drift
or some broken item on pos 3
stray yew
thats not true
jolly crane
who can carry the first 20min but then be a backline hero
stray yew
they just swapped a player
spirit when they swapped a player didnt win tournaments
they needed like half a season to get better
jolly crane
ye it took them a while to get larl in a position where hes comfortable
but i think these kinda heroes suit him well
manic ermine
They needed 2 seasons
jolly crane
cuz he knows he can rely on yatoro and collapse to make plays, to create pressure, and to contribute just as much as he can
stray yew
basically what i meant
worn drift
yea but they're swapping in Topson
jolly crane
then you look at someone like nisha or abed, who are so used to being the #1 player in their team, and now that the meta just doesnt really allow for heroes that can do that in that manner, they need to adapt
manic ermine
Larl is also just laning very well early game
A great example was the series vs tundra
jolly crane
think rtz overall does better on carries like muerta or gyro
ranged carries in general
cause its easier to position for him, and he usually has godawful positioning
manic ermine
When game 1 larl was unfavored es into gyro matchup and held fairly well
Then game 2 larl got dazzle and topson got es and topson got giga trashed
jolly crane
and abed needs to learn how to play heroes that are in the middle of the teamfight, cause he is just not that good at it. all his signature heroes are heroes that do not want to go in first, that are mobile and wanna move around and pick off heroes
jolly crane
thats not true
well yeah obviously it was hyperbole but like
they had garbage performance for over half a year in a row
didnt make it to bali major even
last decent performance prior to this one, was 4th place at lina major
manic ermine
Betboom gonna stay together
jolly crane
and before shopify, EG wasnt exactly a high performing team for years either, so i think them doing this well is definitely surprising
worn drift
SR is a shit team there is no argument, 1 top 2 finish doesn't make them a not shit team
jolly crane
it should be a nice boost for them tho prior to TI
worn drift
if bb was in riyadh form at least SR woulda been out
jolly crane
felt like for long periods of time, nobody at SR really tried anymore
felt like they just went through the NA qualifier for free and then flaked out early in each major tournament
jolly crane
but maybe a 2nd place finish here makes people like crit try again
cuz he definitely didnt the last couple of years
worn drift
a team like BB shouldnt lose to SR even during out draft
manic ermine
They baited the pa pick so hard
And bb took it
And pa got trashed
"pa op so we pick her without thinking"
jolly crane
i mean
that was fine
you can get the pa pick without giving away 3 of the most contested heroes
just looking at that draft
manic ermine
But also they immediately picked the 3rd core after pa
jolly crane
how did they give SR pango, venge and warlock
jolly crane
like, theres no way enemy team should get all 3
worn drift
fluke 2nd place
jolly crane
what did they pick first stage together with PA?
manic ermine
I think bb expected sr to pick pa+ venge/warlock
But sr picked both supports and left pa open
jolly crane
wait they picked
invo/kotl first
gave away pango+venge
and didnt ban warlock
so SR got warlock too
yeah then you deserve to lose lmao
worn drift
manic ermine
Solo killed him mid game
worn drift
nix interviewing with larl
manic ermine
If only I could understand nix
worn drift
"yeah when he picked storm I was like, okay the meta heroes aren't going time to unleash the final line of defense"
jolly crane
just looking at that game 3
worn drift
manic ermine
MVP is close between saber amd abed
jolly crane
cuz when your void needs to play a 20min bkb
manic ermine
But rtz also did a lot of clutch chronos
jolly crane
thats kinda scuffed
manic ermine
He came out with way too high of a networth after laning stage
TI should be interesting tho
worn drift
hope team spirit wins another TI for larl 
jolly crane
but ye i mean, obviously rtz knows how to farm, and has decent games
ive just never seen a game where his team created space for him for 20+ minutes and then he joins the fights and actually carries
manic ermine
There's the PA game vs bb
manic ermine
But outside of yatoro I don't see any other carry player solo carrying
jolly crane
if his team doesnt basically hold the game 4v5 already, then they just lose. sure, he joins and then they overpower the enemy if abed/saberlight already have good games
manic ermine
Even then team spirit has games where collapse or larl take over
jolly crane
but if they get creamed on, rtz has never shown up to take over the game and win it for them like people like yatoro or ame or dyrachyo do
worn drift
nah bro
spirit secret is
miposhka ench
enchantress
is so fucking broken
for however many years now
this hero
jolly crane
dyrachyo is a prime example of a top carry imo
cuz if quinn has a bad game
and ace
then dyrachyo came back after farming and won the game for them
manic ermine
Dyrachyo underrated
worn drift
maybe by people who are dumb
manic ermine
He clutched a lot of games for gg during the big arab tournament
worn drift
dyrachyo is clearly like top 2 top 3 pos 1's
manic ermine
Ppl like to fixate on his over aggressive plays
worn drift
but problem is no one is even close to touching yatoro rn
manic ermine
Where he sometimes runs in and dies
jolly crane
if ghost learns to not over extend, he could match yatoro imo
but well, china gonna throw, thats just a given at this point
worn drift
team spirit killed china at ti 10 
jolly crane
this new meta might really suit the 2 chinese teams
i havent seen them play yet but like
this seems like a bis meta for someone like NTS
worn drift
ik he enjoys a bit of kunkka
jolly crane
and somnus as well
worn drift
and larl been showing up well on him
jolly crane
he loves these unconvential hero picks in mid
manic ermine
Lgd can be a strong contender yeah
worn drift
china always like a bit of kunkka
manic ermine
Lgd losing both 5th games in finals after picking kunkka
jolly crane
both nts and somnus play good kunkkas and are more of the brawler-style mid players, so this current mid meta should be really good for them
worn drift
win ti for larl
love seeing a guy get hated and then instead of shutting down just improves
jolly crane
will basically come down to how good ghost/lou perform as carries, cuz like sebbe said, carry needs to just play good again
jolly crane
love seeing a guy get hated and then instead of shutting down just improves
depends on the guy
i still think quinn should get banned from dota
even though i can appreciate his performance
worn drift
i dont think quinn improved tho
jolly crane
hes still a terrible example for any dota player
worn drift
i think he just joined a good team lol
jolly crane
i mean, his signature heroes happened to be really fucking good and they knew how to play around him
ace is criminially underrated in that team
manic ermine
Pango still broken
jolly crane
everoyne is, really
jolly crane
Pango still broken
ye but you ban pango and then what
manic ermine
Think quinn was nominated esports player of the year
worn drift
people really underrate ace?
jolly crane
lesh, ember, void, storm are all kinda not that great
worn drift
how
manic ermine
I think the general concensus is ace is their best player now
worn drift
ace was very obviously insanely good lmao
jolly crane
compared to someone like collapse he barely gets recognition
worn drift
and a key to their success
manic ermine
But dyrachyo still a bit under the radar
worn drift
HOW
jolly crane
despite being the best player on that team together with tofu
worn drift
these players are so obviously insanely good lmao
jolly crane
i wonder how the supports in gg will adapt to the new support meta
manic ermine
Ace just happened to win during the most boring offlaner meta
So he gets less traction
jolly crane
ye
manic ermine
Since most of his victories were stack auras for team, press big button like roar or underlord portal correctly
jolly crane
when youre mostly an auracarry
manic ermine
Meanwhile collapse does flashy plays
jolly crane
its hard to really get called out for good plays etc.
btu ye anyway, gonna be interesting
manic ermine
Like managing to get a call on void during chrono
manic ermine
I'd expect a patch before TI
Compendium is coming next week so maybe some balancing alongside it
jolly crane
nerf pa blur delay/range again
400range blur detection radius is stupid as fuck
and 1sec delay as well
manic ermine
Just walk Next to an enemy and still not break blur
manic ermine
I don't think her break is an issue
jolly crane
it is tho
cuz it means some of the more natural counters to her
are no longer counters
smth like tide or pitlord
or even DK
who could actually tank her burst for a bit in midgame
its not what makes her op, but its an item that actively makes her usual counters not counters anymore
i think PA being strong in certain situations is totally fine, but there needs to be ways to counter her, now that nullifier doesnt dispel crits anymore and the one thing that was her weakness, her unreliable damage output, is suddenly very reliable
manic ermine
If you hit both blur and shard you're sending pa straight back to the dead
worn drift
yeah tbh i wasn't sure why PA was bad with her fan of knivse shard
that shard is turbo broken lmfao
manic ermine
Shard was always good
worn drift
it does so much fucking aoe dmg, breaks, and also resets on kills with aghs
jolly crane
If you hit both blur and shard you're sending pa straight back to the dead
it still means she does good damage with the 20% crit and 40% dagger crit
you still cant nullify her crit
so shes still much better than old PA
but, frankly, i wouldnt mind PA being dogshit
worn drift
nah
jolly crane
cuz i hate watching teamfights won by 450% dmg crits
worn drift
much prefer watching PA to dusa and some illu cancer
jolly crane
nah
not in the comeback meta we have atm
where 1 teamfight is >10k swing
and itll all go to her cuz she gets all the kills with her damage output
watching her get 3 crits in a row just isnt fun
jolly crane
ye
love watching millions of dollars be won or lost
cuz a hero hit the 1:60 games RNG
worn drift
just get ghost scepter?
jolly crane
ye
jolly crane
gl reacting to her jumping her
worn drift
the counters exist
worn drift
no idea
manic ermine
Hakberd got nerfed
jolly crane
psure it does
manic ermine
It does since last patch
jolly crane
ye so even if you halber before her bkb, she can just pop it and insta kill you
and unless you have an aeon disk
lv18 PA kills you in one attack as a support
youre not gonna react to her jumping animation and the first or 2nd attack
which will deal 2k dmg
manic ermine
Also not sure but aghs might dispell halberd
jolly crane
it does ye
manic ermine
I'd nerf her blur radius tho
worn drift
still think she is quite susceptible early in the game
worn drift
so if you let it get to the point where shes soloing the game
jolly crane
and PA will poke you as you do
worn drift
thats your fault
manic ermine
thats your fault
She's a bit too swingy tho
Just watch sr vs bb game 3
In upper bracket semi finals
manic ermine
Rtz gets caught like 6-7 times early
jolly crane
and then 1 mistake
manic ermine
But he got some god crits
jolly crane
leads to PA getting 3 kills
and then the game was over
cuz PA suddenly got 6k gold infusion
worn drift
Id still rather watch PA casino than illusion cancer/medusa
jolly crane
dunno which analyst said it, but he was spot on with it: PA is a hero that needs 25min to come online, but even if the enemy team is standing in front of your base at that point, pushing HG against PA is tough, and she can quickly snipe 1-2 heroes and get the comeback gold infusion she needs to get another item or 2, and then shes kinda unstoppable
manic ermine
Medusa is boring but pa does need a nudge down
jolly crane
no hero punishes mistakes as hard as PA, cause she just deletes anybody
but ye, out of all meta carries, she has by far the weakest laning stage
but ye like
timestamped
18k lead
they got dumpstered up until then
1 mistake by kiyotaka
and then the
2 kills
on gyro+centaur
like
what is that hero
kills the 6slotted gyro in 2 attacks while he casts tp
jolly crane
but ye who doesnt like
9k gold swings
from 4 deaths
and then he gets DD and just deletes the gyro in 2 hits again
unlucky
doesnt matter that you stomped them for 30min straight
worn drift
Runes
jolly crane
those were her first desolator stacks too
she had 0 before that teamfight
doesnt matter with that hero, unluigi go next
jolly crane
ye
but it sucks to have to permaban heroes like pango or pa or treant
and the frog usually balanced around weaknesses, not strengths
pas weaknesses just arent as impactful atm, and got fixed a lot
@worn drift just looking at that bb vs sr game3
no surprise the PA got dumpstered
when you play invo+pa lane
who thought that was gonna work
ye idk, rtz was useless in that game, just got carried by abed and saberlight
and nightfall played fucking awful
manic ermine
I don't see how nighfall is contender for best carry
Feels like he has great laning skills with mediocre mid/ late game impact
jolly crane
i mean that game was just a masterclass in why you should ban pango every game
manic ermine
I mean this tournament in general
jolly crane
oh another fight where rtz just dies instantly
wtf did he even do this game
other than that 1 solo kill on the pa
manic ermine
He had some clutch chronos on storm
jolly crane
not based on the highlights
one in the base and that was it
nightfall just didnt attack anything
manic ermine
I mean I watched the entire game
jolly crane
in the last fight
manic ermine
Highlights don't tend to show all good plays
jolly crane
obviously
but this looked like absolute abed show to me, with saberlight controlling teh game really well as well
while rtz was running around aimlessly for 80% of the game
manic ermine
Abed and saber are mvp's but rtz did his part
He was looking for pa during teamfights to chrono
While pa was hiding from void chrono
jolly crane
dunno, his part was to chrono the PA and kill her, it just wasnt necessary cuz nightfall trolled and abed/saberlight dealt with her really good already
manic ermine
So they were playing a cat and mouse game amidst all the fighting
stray yew
i mean that game was just a masterclass in why you should ban pango every game
i said it once to my friends that if pango was 2008 released hero he would have all his spells cost +30 mana and all damage reduced by -10 on all spells too
jolly crane
ye
and why attack modifiers on spells is a bad idea
imo
by default, at least
some heroes have it as talents or part of their aghs
thats fine imo
stray yew
i hate pango
when i see first phase pango pick i alwayts pick bloodseeker
but then problem with me is i just hate enemies
jolly crane
i played vs morph again yday
as slardar
just cant 1v1 this hero on lane
dumb fucking hero
stray yew
if you know youre into morph just pick od
jolly crane
i mean he was a massive idiot
just died to venge W
cuz he was running around with 1hp
eating tango
stray yew
im bad
jolly crane
at lv4
stray yew
but also morph is bad
jolly crane
can somehow manfight a lv5 slardar
with treads
who has 80% hp still
and still kill me
cuz morph is still a dogshit hero
jolly crane
ye
just hate that hero
but thats my fault
thinking i can manfight the hero when i know i cant
no one can
jolly crane
not this early on lane
obviously he has many counters later
but on lane, he beats any hero in 1v1 blow for blow
just gotta run away from him and take the damage once he morphed into str
so he has to morph back to 1hp and regen up
but if you try to fight, he kills you
stray yew
making him morph high str is win
you dont win by killing him but by making him morph strength
so you can deny him
also lots of regular offlaners have good matchup
like tide/lc
axe
worn drift
thorny fiber
When are they revealing prize pools?
Seems kinda weird there is 0 info, 2 weeks out
thorny fiber
Weird stuff going on
I assume its because the final is in a month?
So technically its 1 month until the finals
But ye, gonna be a weak prize pool. Less than Riyadh if i had to guess
thorny fiber
I think its a fine idea by valve
By reducing the money, they make the whole dota year more interesting
They seem to be moving towards that
By deleting the dpc, reducing % of yearly income coming from TI etc. Teams should care all year round
jolly crane
i think its the only reasonable way for dota in general
or esports, for that matter
its finally gotten to a point, where many teams are able to give players good support and salaries, and not relying on crazy high prizepools or bonuses etc.
its no longer "super star" treatment for many, but thats totally fine
part of the reason the esport bubble burst is because teams were paying out the nose when there really wasnt enough value behind many player or team acquisitions, and it was only the big prizepools that made people ask for that much.
this "new era" seems a lot healthier and itsn ot the massive prizepool that will make it sustainable anyway, quite the contrary imo
jolly crane
why are people acting like a 3-5mil prizepool for TI isnt good money?
rugged cipher
Cus its 10% of previous and is lower cus valve just waited
jolly crane
4mil is still a lot of money for an esports tourney 
manic ermine
I'm surprised it got that high even
And it's nice because you don't need to invest into 200€ skins
manic ermine
worn drift
https://youtu.be/4APSR0BmU3g?si=CxBAKBCokyoypvQd
Wait i just watched this lmao
Broken english nirvana parody holy moly
rugged cipher
yes
jolly crane
Despairge
rugged cipher
im just waiting for reso standing announcement
wait MC is standing in for some thai guy in smg
thorny fiber
Group B seems hella stacked
Liquid has been playing like absolute shit since the patch came out, but prob looks good on paper. Micke is just not good enough for this meta
stray yew
you think any grp is outstandingly good/bad?
they look decentl at 1st glance
maybe grp c a lil bit on the weaker side
rugged cipher
imo every group got like 1 above the rest team but B that got both liquid and betboom
ive not watched anything since last dpc tourney though up til ti
rugged cipher
2 most washed teams
worn drift
C is p weak looking ye
1 proven team that performed pretty poorly relative to what they’ve been doing at last 2 major events
Lgd who is unpredictable but been not winning
And then its bc, an na team, and a bad cis team
stray yew
azure isnt even washed
they just reactivate when its ti
and dont practice as much
they're actual holiday team
worn drift
Id say group A is kinda sus too outside of secret
Er
Spirit
All of those teams are hyper inconsistent
Even spirit only recently found success could easily flop if get tilted or have a bad day
stray yew
ye they looked like they figured out the patch tho
spirit
but ye maybe people adjust to how they play/draft do something
jolly crane
azure isnt even washed
They just didn't do well in China league
Maybe gonna do maybe things
Fy as well
stray yew
i mean they're skilled and good at the game
but their history is they are good enough to make it to tournaments
but then its not enough
they need to play entire season etc
just like spirit didnt just instantly become good even tho they're skilled
takes time to develop synergies
i think
worn drift
but ye maybe people adjust to how they play/draft do something
If they have same form as riyadh and yatoro has not faltered they can not lose
stray yew
ye but people will adapt to what you do
gg looked unstoppable for 8-9 months aswell
pretty much entire dpc season besides this finish line
but they got figured out/small patch change etc
(coz even after map changes they were winning)
worn drift
Idk spirit just looked different in riyadh
stray yew
they did mega bomb last ti around 😄
they did look like best team tho ye
riyadh + that tournament after
they beasted
worn drift
Ye riyadh they showed a lot of comeback game tho
molten gorge
thorny fiber
Pogggg
manic ermine
If they have same form as riyadh and yatoro has not faltered they can not lose
Prizepool too low
Spirit back to sleep
humble yew
Im so much not pogging compared to other years
I watched every single TI and I will watch this one
last time I was so unhype it was TI4
which was the worst of all TI to this day still
first TI without Puppey too
jolly crane
Isn't he coaching one of the cis teams?
humble yew
oh maybe, didnt see the info
stray yew
so he starts as coach
and then one of the players of some playoff teams will have 'accident'
right
manic ermine
Nothing confirmed about puppey
It was just rumors
I think this TI landed in a fun meta tho
If it was the aura show like in 7.33 I would wanna gouge my eyes out
jolly crane
GG getting creamed by lgd
weaver carry
nice gorp stream http://puu.sh/JS5Bz/188edb559a.png
manic ermine
Comfy stream with blankets
jolly crane
ceb/lizzard/khezu there as well
worn drift
Spirit slammed pandas
rugged cipher
Pandas classic ti choke ala vp
But solo caught with another 322, reso standin and top3 comeback
jolly crane
Liquid not doing well
worn drift
Micke troll
Idk why but micke just doesnt look like a carry player
He looks like a 3/4/5
jolly crane
Tbf it's an awful lane I think
Venge/muerta vs pango/Prophet
Fy more networth than somnus
Lol
rugged cipher
Are you saying they are finally gonna win when nobody expect them to and no pressure
stone geode
riki mid for spirit
jolly crane
Meta this ti could be one of the best in history I think
humble yew
ez blyat
worn drift
Was spirit smg game 1 close?
worn drift
not really
They might be too powerful
worn drift
Issue here is smg has ench and ench is a broken hero every patch for last half decade
worn drift
Mc just gets cooked back to back
humble yew
yeh feels like hectic coms for them sometimes
worn drift
Spirit too powerful
Yatoro just playing every game with anime protagonist buff
Everyone too skilled individually while having insane team chemistry
worn drift
Bro midone is SO fucking bad
Holy fuck hes actually the worst
Noone actual 1 person playing semi human
And even he inted
LMAO HE DIED AGAIN
LMAOOOO
DIEBACK
okay bro ive never seen worse pos 1 play
This is insane
This guy has been floor pov last like 6 mins
humble yew
yeh midone is like that one carry in your game that farm creep wave close to t3 mid without vision during night time
and dies
worn drift
That was unbelievable display of just pure unbridled badness
I would be so fucking mad at this guy if i was noone
humble yew
ye it was very bad
worn drift
Youre noone trying your hardest to compete this game
And this fucker on void just goes and dies 5 times in 5 mins
humble yew
humble yew
I would disjoint
worn drift
10/5/13 ench
2/9/12 void
I swear this ench hero needs a rework
Its probably one of the most functionally broken heroes in the game
A support that does a shit ton of dmg and is hard to kill, can frontline break smokes and somehow liv
Shes supposed to have the weakness of no hard cc and no waveclear
But guess what
She has access to creeps xdddd
So shes really good at every moment of the game and becomes a carry late game
humble yew
the slow is nasty too
humble yew
sending rainbow halberds in your back
worn drift
Entity had lead on spirit and spirit do riyadh classic where they just navigate the game better
manic ermine
Lgd also looking good
ancient harbor
stray yew
Entity had lead on spirit and spirit do riyadh classic where they just navigate ...
they lost to cow
and puck
they have so many rat heroes that extend the game lol
is spirit breaker popular pick?
damn he's so mega nerfed
still so contested
spirit breaker decently popular
damn i hate that hero 
@jolly crane
back me up
manic ermine
They buffed bara last week
stray yew
he did get hefty buff with nulli nerf kinda
didnt he
or i guess maybe not that much
coz if you are in bkb you dont rly care about bulldoze as much
but ye fuck that hero when its in enemy team
manic ermine
It's more that his bash damage gor buffed to a point where he clears wave with charge again
stray yew
oh thats a thing for a year or two even
but with diff item timings
there was a time where you'd build a null or two back when it gave spell amp
and you'd clear full wave too
manic ermine
But yeah facing bara on some heroes is pain
I was playing cm 5 the other day vs bara offlaner
manic ermine
Most painful game in recent memory
stray yew
i wouldnt mind them deleting that stat from the game entirely lol
think its rly problematic
jolly crane
back me up
100%
stray yew
and leave it only on ursas ult
and some other old school abilities that had it that i cant think of
jolly crane
And yes, status resistance is fucking stupid
jolly crane
Sange op item
stray yew
ye sange/yasha is oldschool counter to lc/axe
dont you remember that patch
where every mid hero went sange kaya like 1st or 2nd item
and it was some puck or void spirit
or qop with old 25 talent with linken
and she was actually unkillable
manic ermine
But it annoys me that bara can tower dive me during laning and my frostbite roots for like 0.3 sec because of bulldoze
stray yew
im big defender of nulli so im sad its nerfed
think the item was fair but i was rather in minority
manic ermine
What got nerfed about it?
stray yew
it doesnt pierce magic immune debuff immune
or whatever its called nowadays
it doesnt pierce bkb
manic ermine
That's nice for heroes like bs and ursa at least
manic ermine
I do think it's a bit silly that nulifier dispells overpower
manic ermine
Nulifier is still my best friend vs tinker
stray yew
ye its mandatory to play vs tinker
actually i dare to say
current tinker is very balanced
and it will backfire on me
coz ill play some games soon
and ill get dunked on by some tinker guy
manic ermine
Tinker is reasonable in terms of balance but his play pattern will always be frustrating
stray yew
he doesnt refresh blink anymore right
manic ermine
He does
stray yew
nah but when he gets hit
it gets like
'muted'
or sth like that
like its different cooldown to regular cooldown
manic ermine
Only if you take damage
stray yew
that cant be refreshed
ye the worst thing was
he gets hit
refreshes
and manages to hit right server tick
and blinks out
which isnt a thing anymore right
manic ermine
His shield allows him to continue permanently blinking around
jolly crane
Yeah it's very easy to get on top of a tinker and hit him and not be perma blinded by laser. 
manic ermine
When you play against tinker you always stress that if the hero is given some leeway he will run out of control
manic ermine
Also spectre is much more fun to play after ult buffs
stray yew
ye its rly good buff
manic ermine
You can play a very strong tempo game
stray yew
hero still is weak laning stage
but if you can get through that stage
it was already good before the latest buff
where they additionally reduced cd by 20s
i think
manic ermine
Ye you suffer till level 6
manic ermine
Yeah her ult is now 60 sec cd
She's an alright jungler once you get blademail
But you'd rather farm heroes
Also
Bristle offlane being popular in TI
Means we're gonna be offlane bristle in pubs again
jolly crane
some interesting picks already so far
mostly been watching china cuz i love chinese teams
somnus OD mid again, chalice pos3 silencer
worked really well
thorny fiber
well obviously he's not bad at the game as he plays in Liquid
but i expect Liquid to be up there with winning TI and the big tourneys and then he should be close to Yatoro in gameplay
If you made a comparison of all T1 carry players i dont think he would rank very high
thorny fiber
sounds like ur not a fan of Liquid
manic ermine
I'm neutral towards them
thorny fiber
Having had to watch him play for a team i want to succeed for so long
very frustrating player
manic ermine
If you wanna criticise a player from that team
Then the least concistent player throughout the year was zai
But he seems to be forgiven because of that backdoor play against talon
thorny fiber
Nah
Even if Zai fails sometimes, he tends to also win games single-handedly when the rest of the team plays like shit. The Talon game was just an extreme example of it
manic ermine
Nisha also occasionally doing some mega throws
"I crushed mid lane, time to die and give enemy 1k gold bounty"
thorny fiber
Micke is always half-cooked or just a liability, farms all game, does nothing
But i do think its unfair to compare him to some other T1 carry players as he's not as much of a focus for Liquid
as Yatoro for TS
But there is also a reason why they don't play around Micke as much
manic ermine
I feel like ts switched to less focus on yatoro as well
Like they used to last pick pos 1 a lot
Now they give collapse last pick
thorny fiber
I don't think it helps Micke that theres interviews/rumors about him not giving a fuck about dota
and barely practising
so he's always late to catch the latest meta
manic ermine
I thought that's Nisha who watches more dota than plays it
thorny fiber
well Micke was planning to quit a few months back
cus he didnt enjoy the game anymore
So his motivation is undoubtedly hit
manic ermine
Perhaps
I do think liquid can win this ti tho
Only caught game 2 vs azure yesterday but they were kicking ass
thorny fiber
ofc, they just looked kinda bad the 2 latest tourneys
felt like they didnt care at all tho
crashed out of dreamleague
manic ermine
Pretty much
They were guaranteed Ryiadh spot so didn't do much during dreamleague
Placed 2nd ryiadh
And then decided to not bother with next dreamleague
thorny fiber
ye as i said, the expectation from this years Liquid performance is to finish top 3
TI
for me at least
manic ermine
Lgd woke up and decided to crush everyone yesterday
manic ermine
Ye but lgd haven't looked this good the entire year
worn drift
The only team in liquids group that i view as actually strong is betboom and they beat them so ye good sign
Holy talon went 0-4
Zai killed this team or something
Ok but this ti prize pool is too funny i didnt even see it until yesterday
Fucking less than 3 mil rn
Meanwhile riyadh 15m
worn drift
Spirit already made it through to phase 2
Actually wouldn’t be surprised if they go to clowntown today vs eg and do some “testing”
jolly crane
idk
zai is trolling 90% of games
most games of liquid that ive seen, zai is just a bot
ye, he has some games where he carries but like.... idk, hes the most disappointing offlaner in the world
thorny fiber
i feel like thats an exaggeration
i watch every liquid game, more or less, i get equally frustrated with players and zai is sometimes the focal point but not 90% of the time
and sometimes its not his fault, he is usually ditched more than other offalners
jolly crane
eh my issue with him is just that hes not making any moves
thorny fiber
he also plays heroes that sometimes are just playing solo and pushing towers
jolly crane
hes a very passive offlaner in a meta where offlane cant really do that
and when he does initiate he runs around with the weirdest priorities
thorny fiber
well they are clearly playing around that
jolly crane
every single zai doom game so far he was a bot
with high networth
most enigma games he casts 1 blackhole in 30 minutes and then loses the game
thorny fiber
doom might just not be his strongest hero
jolly crane
back in the old meta
just overall i felt he was incredibly underwhelming as a player, has been for a longass time
micke is definitely a burden on the team as well
thorny fiber
anyway he's laning with boxi, which is good at making moves and is always making moves, prob why zai is more passive
jolly crane
ye idk, his laning is fine imo
its his mid and lategame decisionmaking thats just not up to snuff imo
thorny fiber
but ye isnt zai playing a lot of brood and pushers
which means he just sits lanes
not saying he's a perfect player, but i feel like 90% is a bit too high
micke is also playing more active sometimes and zai takes the farming role
worn drift
Micke just doesn’t feel like a 1/2 player lol
Idk what it is but he just doesn’t feel like a carry
Type of carry you make a free game for create all the space in the world and then you look in his inventory and hes got like 1 item component advantage on enemy carry
Then you just ping his items
worn drift
Gotta say tho ti with this tiny of a prize pool just feels wrong
stray yew
ti with big prize pool was wrong
coz everything else was irrelevant
so many teams that dominated season lost their glory because they didnt win one tournament
dont think valve will give more throughout season tho
just ti will be smaller always
worn drift
Nah ti with small prize pool just doesn’t feel right idk
stray yew
i dont rly care myself i think
worn drift
The tournament has its prestige and glory because the insane prize pool
Knowing players playing for fucking insane money
I remember not even being into dota and seeing some promo for ti and they talked about prize pool i was like hoooooooly fuck what???
stray yew
i imagine game quality is so much better now
becuase they do actual update patches instead of skin patches
the anti smurf patch and some other improvements
actually good trade instead of compendium with skins imo lol
also ive heard angle that im not sure if its true
but supposedly battle passes might be getting forbidden in some countries because its predatory marketing
and valve is pre dodging that bullet
worn drift
Dunno i dont feel like resources for patch ppl is same as skin makers
Like that shouldn’t really be a trade you make lol
worn drift
I mean this battle pass is a meme and prize pool shows it
worn drift
Its gonna be 200k per player in first place or some shit lmao
stray yew
which is still life changing money
worn drift
Ppl just gonna stop giving a fuck about ti and riyadh masters just gonna be the new thing